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Jail for Sex? Couple 'In So Much Trouble'

July 10, 2008 6:48 PM

Dubai_beach_080710_main_2 ABC News' Lara Setrakian reports: A British couple was arrested for a romantic romp on Dubai’s Jumeirah Beach. The two allegedly were caught having sex on the beach -- an act very much against the law in this modern, but still traditional Muslim society.

The case is front page news in the Gulf, where reactions range from sympathy to “they should have known better” indifference.

The woman, identified in the press as Michelle Palmer, 30, spoke to reporters about facing a possible 3-6 years in jail. 

“They are going to make an example of us and we’re going to get a higher sentence,” Palmer told reporters. “We are in so much trouble. ... Until someone is in this situation, they could never know what it’s like. It's bad — it’s so, so bad. They are being pushed into a corner to make an example of us. I’m panicking. I can’t say anything else.”

Dubai invites tourists from around the world to take in its Persian Gulf shores and fast-expanding skyline.

But there's a high price to not knowing the laws that keep Western visitors in line with conservative Middle Eastern values. During the month of Ramadan, for example, it is criminal to eat, drink or chew gum in public during daylight hours (Muslims fast until sunset).

Any sexual activity outside of marriage is technically illegal in Dubai, and public displays of affection are frowned upon.

Travel advice from the British Foreign Office states that there have been arrests of people kissing in public.

For the estimated 25,000 Americans living in the UAE and the many more who visit, the message is hands off your partner or you could be doing hard time.

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Why wasn't this in the brochure??? I blame Dubai!

Posted by: pity | Jul 10, 2008 7:07:07 PM

Their country, their laws.

Posted by: JR | Jul 10, 2008 7:19:07 PM

Boy are they going to get screvved....

Posted by: Doc Savage | Jul 10, 2008 7:19:36 PM

Now they wish they had gone to Florida.

Posted by: RiverMan | Jul 10, 2008 7:24:10 PM

They should receive the maximum as allowed by Dubai. How stupid--why did they not "get a room" They have no morals to do such an act in public. No pity for either of them.

Posted by: PJ | Jul 10, 2008 7:25:49 PM

Why is it whenever foreigners are in Mid-Eas countries we/they must adhere to their customs or face harsh penalties. Yet, when they come to htis country, they bring their customs with them and we must once again adhere to them. Something wrong with this picture

Posted by: Jumpin_George | Jul 10, 2008 7:26:24 PM

Come on, she has been there three years and this is a second offense. This is a small public beach. She knew better and she ought to be worried. Her partner was there on vacation, but also should have known better. Shame on them both.

Posted by: been there | Jul 10, 2008 7:27:23 PM

Know the laws where you plan to travel,then follow them.Six years thoguh?

Posted by: -UA- | Jul 10, 2008 7:28:32 PM

They would be arrested here in the States (and rightly so) for the same thing. They just wouldn't be crucified for it. But c'mon. I know that their room was not that far away.

Posted by: TG | Jul 10, 2008 7:28:40 PM

It looks like Dubai is a modern city, however the ancient Muslim ways are still the rule of law. Tourists should simply never, ever, ever go where fanatics make the laws. It is sort of like having to travel through berkley california!

Posted by: ralph crandon | Jul 10, 2008 7:29:54 PM

who could have known about that. the article says "allegedly". If the country feels that strongly about it - post the law on a damn wall.

Posted by: more pity | Jul 10, 2008 7:31:07 PM

Let's not forget that THIS is the country Bush wanted running America's ports.

Let's not forget that this is the country that Halliburton now calls home. The country Halliburton chose for their headquarters after the U.S. gave them no-bid contract after no-bid contract for the war in Iraq.

Posted by: Skeptimal | Jul 10, 2008 7:34:35 PM

It is most definitely the couple's fault. WHO in the WORLD would not be able to shell over a couple of twenties to fulfill their so-called primal needs?!?! The fact is, if this were occurring anywhere else in the world, it wouldn't be big news, even if those people were arrested. Howeverrr, take it to a Muslim nation, where there are MORALS, and we get this kind of idiocy. Their fault. The law is going to get them. The End.

Posted by: their fault | Jul 10, 2008 7:36:55 PM

Let's not forget this is the country that enabled 9/11.

Posted by: John Kovacs | Jul 10, 2008 7:40:41 PM

The moral of this story is this: When in another country, follow their laws. Before visiting a foreign country, visit the US State Dept's Web site to become aware of risks. That said, 3-6 years in jail for this "crime" does seem a bit harsh. I hope the judge takes mercy on them and let's them go with deportation.

Posted by: Missy M | Jul 10, 2008 7:46:18 PM

Stupid Is as Stupid Does...

Posted by: moosedog | Jul 10, 2008 7:47:17 PM

These two were very foolish. There is very little freedom or flexibility in an Islamic country, and a visitor would be wise to obey ALL laws to the letter. If this is unacceptable, then they shouldn't GO there!

Dubai MAY show leniency by deporting this couple... IF they're lucky.

Posted by: Rhys | Jul 10, 2008 7:48:08 PM

I have no pity for these 2 exhibitionists. They knew exactly what they were doing, I get sick and tired of Westerners going to another country, and just saying, the hell with you, we can do what we want to do. Their room was probably only a stone's throw away, however, there is no such thing as breaking the law, unless you get "caught" Guess what?

Posted by: ThatsLife | Jul 10, 2008 7:48:19 PM

"I get sick and tired of Westerners going to another country, and just saying, the hell with you, we can do what we want to do."

If you like Dubai so much, go live there. Yes, these people were stupid, but so is glorifying a barbaric system like Islam.

Posted by: Skeptimal | Jul 10, 2008 7:51:18 PM

Enter Dubai at your own risk.

Posted by: newzi | Jul 10, 2008 7:57:36 PM

3-6 years!! Sure it's not the most classy thing to do, but come on. I understand the 'their country, their rules' argument - but they are promoting themselves as a tourist destination. Severe punishments like that make the nation look very very bad. Imagine losing years of your life over something like this.

Posted by: kris | Jul 10, 2008 8:04:49 PM

What were those idiots thinking? Why go to a country like that in the first place, responsible for all our oil problems in this country, repressive toward women, sex, gays, etc.

Posted by: ann | Jul 10, 2008 8:09:57 PM

What were those idiots thinking? Why go to a country like that in the first place, responsible for all our oil problems in this country, repressive toward women, sex, gays, etc.

Posted by: ann | Jul 10, 2008 8:10:09 PM

Theses two are in trouble. How could anybody these days not know about the middle east and their customs and laws. This may not even fly in Lebanon which is quite liberal.

I lived in Malaysia, where its illegal to bring drugs into the country. Its pretty well known and they hang you for it. People still did it and then wondered about the severity of the punishment.

Posted by: borninkl | Jul 10, 2008 8:12:56 PM

Why is Islam barbaric? It is just another religion like Christianity, Catholicism, Judaism, etc. Don't listen to everything you hear on the news. If all the muslin people were crazy we would be having things happening daily here, can you not see through the propaganda of the Muslim bogeyman? If you go to another country, you must obey the laws no matter how crazy or outlandish you might believe. We are a great country and should start acting like it again and start worrying about our dollar instead of the world's problems. If we brought our troops home from around the world and protected America, who would be crazy enough to attack us? People get upset when you occupy their land, just as we would, it does not matter what they believe in, it is just wrong and is against our American ideals and founders advice. Now Iran, WTF have they done to us? Look up Operation Ajax, we installed thier government and meddled in their affairs, our dollar is a mess right now, almost par with the peso for the first time in history, that is why your gas is so expensive people.

Posted by: Drew | Jul 10, 2008 8:13:28 PM

How embarrassing. I'm so happy I never got caught!!

Posted by: Sexonthebeach | Jul 10, 2008 8:15:40 PM

Prison sex is more kinky anyway

Posted by: Dude Awesome | Jul 10, 2008 8:17:11 PM

I don't know why anyone would ever want to visit Dubai.

You can't hold hands, kiss or even put your arms around your wife as you walk down the beach. I'd surely get arrested and so would every single one of you.

Regardless of what the outcome of their sentencing, this should be a warning to every single westerner, do not travel to Dubai. If you had any idea what they thought of you for merely kissing your wife in public, you would never want to be in their country and only a fool would sanction a loved one to travel there.

Think about it - it is they who should be respecting our culture or else forbid us from visiting because kissing, holding hands and hugging is too strongly ingrained into western culture - we cannot control it.

Americans will hug you - the French will kiss both of your cheeks and couples will always try to get away with a lot more if they think no one is looking - deal with it. It's called romance and every soul needs this no matter where you're from.

If they cannot deal with this, then they should never allow westerners into their country - problem solved.

Posted by: doug | Jul 10, 2008 8:20:06 PM

I guess they figure they're from another country, it's ok to have sex on the beach. And of all countries they pick Muslim Dubai to do this. Very stupid of them.

Posted by: use some smarts | Jul 10, 2008 8:23:07 PM

Who in their right mind would commit a s-e-x act in public in a Muslim country! Folks, you have to respect a people's sensitivities. BTW don’t they cut off offending body parts in some of these countries . . . . yikes!

Posted by: quickphil1943 | Jul 10, 2008 8:23:12 PM

So what? The couple would probably face more jail time for doing the same thing in most American cities, especially those in the South. And if they were having sex on an American beach where children could see, the couple could get LIFE in prison in some US states. This has nothing to do with Islam. This has to do with stupid and overbearing laws that exist all around the world, including the USA.

Posted by: Eric | Jul 10, 2008 8:28:49 PM

Eric,

I doubt they were having sex on the beach during the day on a busy beach where children could see them! A little common sense, eh?

Posted by: Sexonthebeach | Jul 10, 2008 8:34:00 PM

I'm confused. Were they holding hands or having sex? If they were having sex on a public beach in any country I would hope they'd be arrested. Hey, in this country tapping your toes in a bathroom can get you in trouble.

Posted by: Sara B. | Jul 10, 2008 8:40:16 PM

The Dubai/Western thing isn't going to work out.

Billionaire says: "Money is no object. I can go anywhere in the world...hmmmmm...I think I'll go where the people and the government hate my guts."

How about next time you come to Kansas for a holiday instead. It's a lot cheaper than Dubai and we can arrest you for almost as many reasons and our sentencing guidelines reasonably harsh - we're no Dubai, but give us a chance - I know we can make you feel at least half as oppressed. Come to Kansas instead!

What's that you say? Traveling to Kansas sounds lame? Exactly my point. So why would you want to go to Dubai?

Posted by: doug | Jul 10, 2008 8:43:26 PM

So what is it? Is this country modern or traditional?

Posted by: foxisms | Jul 10, 2008 8:48:23 PM

Whats with these people who feel the need to have sex in public?? Horny? Pull over on the side of the road..do it on a picnic table at a rest stop.Start thinking with that on your shoulders and not the one between your legs.

Posted by: orange cat | Jul 10, 2008 8:50:38 PM

..those people are ignorant (the tourists, that is)...guess what, go cry to the British Consulate and thank God you'll only do a few weeks or months in a sh*thole jail...

Posted by: Jazz | Jul 10, 2008 8:53:51 PM

Come on, we wouldn't allow an arabic man, who was living in the US for 3 years, to lash his wife with a whip for being seen in public with another man, would we? We expect him to respect US laws and customs, and to be thrown in jail if he didn't do so.

Same applies the other way. It doesn't take much effort to adhere to a local law, and if you don't like it or don't have the mental capacity to understand such a concept, I recommend not to go there. Plain and simple.

Posted by: Baltar | Jul 10, 2008 8:54:37 PM

foxisms... that's a good question. Dubai is trying to mix modern western life with a primitive religion based on rules and philosophies from a thousand years (or more) ago.

The only reason it APPEARS to be working is because with enough money you can make ANYTHING look possible.

But as many have said on this forum, if you visit another country, expect to live by THEIR rules.

I would avoid a country governed by Islamic Law, even if they try to conceal it in a facade of ostentatious buildings, amusement parks, or whatever.

But if I DID have to visit such a country, I would make SURE I obey their laws.

Posted by: Rhys | Jul 10, 2008 8:56:48 PM

Wonder if they were doing it during the daytime, hope they chop off his weeney, you know if you steal in any middle east country they chop off your hand and let you go, wonder what they would do in this instance, hmmmmmmmm................But then again what would they do to her????

Posted by: blogger79 | Jul 10, 2008 8:57:19 PM

I say if they want our tourism and want our oil money payments they better be more flexible. What's wrong with probation? Good grief.

Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | Jul 10, 2008 8:57:47 PM

SaraB said, "Hey, in this country tapping your toes in a bathroom can get you in trouble." What a funny, and completely relevant point you make!

Posted by: Eric | Jul 10, 2008 8:57:49 PM

I fully support a nationwide holiday called "Sh*t on a quran day"

Posted by: MJ | Jul 10, 2008 8:57:58 PM

blogger79 wonders "what they would do to her".

If they are not married, it is adultery, and she could be stoned to death. Otherwise, a simple public whipping might be in order.

If they are really lucky, they will be booted out of Dubai and warned to never return.

Posted by: Rhys | Jul 10, 2008 9:03:57 PM

Furthermore half the people in this country claim to be christian conservative, I don't think christian conservatism EVER supported public sex.

Why is everyone now supporting it?

Posted by: Baltar | Jul 10, 2008 9:04:06 PM

I fully agree with the "sh*t on a quran day." There is no pagan moon god but allah, and muhammed (p*ss be upon him) is his illiterate child molesting thief murderer rapist prophet.

Posted by: Jason C from KC | Jul 10, 2008 9:05:50 PM

Screw the bastards in Dubai. They can decorate it up to look like the French Riviera, but it is still a cruddy Muslim stinkhole and always will be. No wonder people go to Florida.

Posted by: ksjeff | Jul 10, 2008 9:19:52 PM

Evidently there are some tiny, little monkey brains at work in here.

Posted by: foxisms | Jul 10, 2008 9:22:04 PM

They knew the law , its all part of the thrill , doing the forbidden .

now they just have to pay the price.

SERVE THEM RIGHT!! they are so many wonderfull beaches in the caribbean, and you are encourage to get freaky.

But that would be boring i guess.

Posted by: ha-ha | Jul 10, 2008 9:24:15 PM

If they go through with the sentence, Dubai can suck it. I will never go there or any other country that has draconian laws. 6 yrs, is draconian.

Ireland anyone?

Posted by: effjay | Jul 10, 2008 9:28:00 PM

They should scare the sh>t out them ..then boot both out of country..with threat that had better not return.

Posted by: orange cat | Jul 10, 2008 9:28:34 PM

Is like Midnight Express, porno style, just getting ridiculous. If this be happening in Cancun, they probably get an award.

Posted by: gerryram | Jul 10, 2008 9:32:58 PM

Goodbye Dubai. It's not as though these bastards have enough of our money from oil and now they want to loot us for more trying to be a cool destination. Well SCREW THEM! I wouldn't vacation there and if I had a choice I wouldn't buy fuel from there. They're just trying to shove their religion down our throats. Like I say SCREW THEM. And as far as Muslims in the U.S. I say throw all the bastards out.

Posted by: Muslims suck | Jul 10, 2008 9:34:56 PM

Really?!! What were you thinking? You could be hanging from a NOOSE right now!
Time and place, time and place weren't you ever told this as a child? This might have "felt" like the time, but definately NOT the place! Time to grow-up!

Posted by: Abstain......... | Jul 10, 2008 9:39:36 PM

Another fantastic reason why we should turn the entire middle east into a parking lot.

Posted by: jim | Jul 10, 2008 9:49:03 PM

The entire middle east is a primitive thinking, savage backwards SH!THOLE.

Posted by: TampaJoey | Jul 10, 2008 10:00:31 PM

I hope they get out of trouble but I think they were absolute idiots.

Posted by: mhm | Jul 10, 2008 10:05:43 PM

Bad things happen to stupid people.

Posted by: Dennis | Jul 10, 2008 10:07:15 PM

Our Big Black Muslim, Barack the Magic Negro needs to be brought in on this one.....Maybe the secret handshake or something will get 'em out of trouble!

Posted by: kissmyass | Jul 10, 2008 10:27:32 PM

The case is also front-page news in the U.K., where this woman's fellow citizens are not sympathetic. Many Brits live and work in Dubai, and they have pointed out that the Dubai police are actually fairly liberal and lenient with foreigners, unlike the law-enforcement authorities in certain other middle-eastern countries.

This woman and her companion (who had met just hours earlier) were so drunk that they cannot even remember the incident. They were first given a caution by a police officer, who was physically attacked by the woman (and her shoe) when he returned and found that the couple were still going at it. She and the man were arrested not only for public lewdness but also for an assault on a police officer.

And let's be blunt: in what countries, exactly, is it considered acceptable to have sex in public? Wouldn't people be arrested here in the U.S. if they were getting it on in public and had refused to pay attention to a police officer's initial warning?

When in Rome ....

And if you don't, you deserve what you get.

Posted by: Lili | Jul 10, 2008 10:29:56 PM

Maybe they got a little too carried away, but so do the muslims when they come here to our schools and demand all kinds of things that aren't exactly "normal" here! Yet we never arrest them for washing their feet in our sinks or trying to get a gym all to themselves...ABSURD!

Posted by: Justice Man | Jul 10, 2008 10:37:38 PM

No more political correctness. Say it out loud: The Arab and Muslim worlds are 500 years behind the times. They're draconian, backwards, repressed, frustrated societies and the western world should keep our tourism money away from them.

Posted by: Soldier | Jul 10, 2008 10:42:38 PM

George Michael got punished for doin' it in skanky Hollywood (as he should have), and these people and anyone else should have enough decency not to have sex in public as well.

Sex is natural, sex is good, sure, but it's also private.

Posted by: Ken | Jul 10, 2008 10:42:38 PM

In a Muslim country, we are bound to 'respect' their culture. But here, Muslims come and demand that WE amend OUR way of life to ACCOMODATE their cultural preferences. You want to live here? You can't wear a burqa in a drivers license photo. We're not going to spend any more public money to build baths for you to bathe your feet in during school days. We're not going to teach your culture anymore. It's just a one-way street right now- we're a decent culture teaching our troops to respect muslim ways, but muslim lands do NOT instruct their people to respect western peoples' ways. No more. If you don't like it here, too bad. This is our way of life. You don't like it? Move back to Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain, Qatar... You can live according to YOUR cultures THERE. HERE, we do things OUR way. You don't like it? Too bad, so sad.

Posted by: Soldier | Jul 10, 2008 10:46:55 PM

Anybody dumb enough to have sex on the beach of a Muslim country ought to be jailed for their stupidity. I have no sympathy for them.

Posted by: yeah, yeah | Jul 10, 2008 10:48:07 PM

To all you people with 'no sympathy'... If you think 3-6 years in an Arabic prison is righteous justice for sex in public, then more there- you're obviously as barbaric as Arab law.

Posted by: Soldier | Jul 10, 2008 10:50:08 PM

I lived in the UAE 2 years with my girlfriend. They allow holding hands at the mall, but complete public displays like this? Idiots. HEY EVERYONE, WHERE IS IT LEGAL TO HAVE SEX ON A PUBLIC BEACH? And by the way, up to 6 years has been the law since well before these 2 got caught. Also, UAE was not responsible for 9/11 and they are very liberal with women as compared to most Muslim countries. Beautiful country and those 2 might be lucky to get deported.

Posted by: Lee | Jul 10, 2008 10:57:07 PM

Three to six years is a picnic. If they had been in Saudi Arabia, they would get beheaded in the town square on Friday.

Posted by: Fred | Jul 10, 2008 10:59:42 PM

What a bunch of whiny geeks on here. Live a little, GET LAI D!!!

Posted by: Mark | Jul 10, 2008 11:00:33 PM

ahhh, sex on the beach. very romantic. So good they named a cocktail after it! these muslims are like teh right wingers in this country, wound tight as a drum. maybe a few of them should have some midnight sex on teh beach and enjoy life. If you have sex on the beach once in your life you'd never forget it. prudes.

Posted by: jessy | Jul 10, 2008 11:00:45 PM

To those who asked, depending on the beach, so long as you're over 18, you're asked to move on. but come on, why else do most people go to the beach in the middle of the night??????

Posted by: jessy | Jul 10, 2008 11:02:11 PM

Why is this even news? You get caught having sex on any beach on any country in the World (U.S. and Europe included) and you are going to get in trouble with the Law.

But having sex on the beach in an Islamic country is not only dumb, but just plain disrespectful. Dubai is actually a rather open place for that part of the World, but there are some obvious boundaries that you should not cross.

England is lucky that these dopes got caught and will be prevented from engaging in any further reproductive acts for at least the next 5 years. The last thing we need is to have them taint the gene pool with their low brow offspring.

When its time for these lovebirds to get sprung from jail, the British govt. should send them word that England has moved and left no forwarding address. They are dumb enough to fall for it.

Posted by: toxic_haiku | Jul 10, 2008 11:02:43 PM

If they were gay, they'd be dead by tomorrow afternoon. Yep, another reason to defend muslim society. Real progressive, decent, forward thinking, merciful countries in the middle east.

Posted by: Soldier | Jul 10, 2008 11:04:34 PM

I lived in the UAE 2 years with my girlfriend. They allow holding hands at the mall, but complete public displays like this? Idiots.
-Lee

Wow, it's so nice of Muslim authorities to 'allow' me to hold hands with my girlfriend. That's so decent of them. Pray tell, what other rights do they PERMIT me to have?

Posted by: Soldier | Jul 10, 2008 11:06:04 PM

Yes, their country, their laws, which is why you should never go. The middle east will be better off when they run out of oil and turn into Africa. Hopefully they will all die off. Their antiquated beliefs are an embarrassment to the world and to people of normal intelligence.

Posted by: Jay | Jul 10, 2008 11:11:55 PM

Lust over common sense. What’s next? Man and women running around the streets in a thong? Give me a break. Fornication in public place is outlawed in nearly all countries in the world. That why all countries have decency laws. For such fun activities we have bed rooms. Six years of imprisonment is somewhat harsh, but a good public flogging would be sufficient to deter future such activities.

Posted by: Harald Wallrath | Jul 10, 2008 11:28:28 PM

Conservatives want you to be able to smoke in public, but don't want you to have sex. Liberals want you to be able to have sex in public, but don't want you to smoke. NEW RULE: Everyone STFU and mind your own business!

Posted by: Scorpio69er | Jul 10, 2008 11:44:38 PM

Hey "Soldier"You can live according to OUR culture HERE. THERE,they do things their way. You don't like it? Too bad, so sad.
............Hopefully your attitude doesn't get any of your buddies in trouble ANYWHERE.

Posted by: MHM | Jul 10, 2008 11:48:48 PM

FLASH: The oil-rich government of Dubai has bought a 90-per-cent stake in the Chrysler Building, one of the few art deco constructions of the 1930 era. AMERICA IS BEING SOLD OUT TO THESE MEDIEVAL NUTCASES! Gee, I'm so glad for "free trade" and "glabalization"...

Posted by: Scorpio69er | Jul 10, 2008 11:51:56 PM

How stupid of those Dubians. Why don't they subscribe to ABC's standards. You know, the fun starts here! Sex on the beach, according to them is perfectly acceptable. I'm glad to hear the the entire world isn't roped into ABC's inane and perverted world.

Posted by: Observer | Jul 10, 2008 11:53:43 PM

MHM:

Hopefully, THEIR attitude is to give THEIR people classes on OUR culture like WE give soldiers classes on THEIR culture.

Posted by: Soldier | Jul 10, 2008 11:55:56 PM

If my nice job high paying job required me to live in some god-forsaken, desolate, Sh*th0le of a country in the back of beyond- after 3 years there- I'd likely be drunk enough (fulltime) to be seducing my fellow countrymen on the beach late at night. I mean, she practically MUST have a Deathwish at this point, if only subconsciously.

But why would anyone even GO to the middle east, except as some form of rendition or military assignment? I understand they're a "wealthy" country, I understand the lure of making money; but frankly there isn't enough money in the world to make it safe, sane, civilized, tolerant, enlightened - or worth it. Their 'country' is desperate for outside expertise & labor Because they're so incredibly backwards. Dirters.

Posted by: KittyBaby | Jul 10, 2008 11:56:15 PM

You know, I'm a liberal. And yet, I just don't understand where all of this 'It's ok, it's their culture' stuff comes from. They stone homosexuals, unmarried women who have sex, adulterers, and drug addicts to death. But that's ok, because as long as it's THEIR country, it's ok for them to discriminate like that, but when muslims get here, as in the case in Florida, and claim that it is their constitutional right to wear a burqa in a drivers license photo, liberals all jump to the defense of the idiot. I'll never understand the left and right wing in this country. As far as I'm concerned, as evidenced by the sexual repression, angst, frustration, anger, and cultural masochism of this board, every person of every political opinion can just go drown. Our country just has absolutely no compass of what is right and wrong anymore. To most of the right wing, anything to do with sex = BAD. To the left wing, anything that judges a culture other than American = BAD.

You make my head spin. The worst part is that the people with the least amount of credibility, study, and research of political subjects and international problems have the most messed up perspectives on politics, culture. And they often have the loudest voices. SHUT UP, MIND YOUR OWN LIFE. STOP TRYING TO PUSH YOUR OWN SEXUALLY REPRESSIVE ANGST ON OTHER PEOPLE.

Posted by: Soldier | Jul 11, 2008 12:02:37 AM

exactly what laws do we muslims break in western countries.. please be specific. I am a proud american muslim. I just need to know what laws do we break in any western country? drugs? crime? violance? Drunk driving and killing people? raping women?. please check stats with your local police departments. We are sure not angels but i bet you that it will be the lowest among all the demographic groups.

Posted by: muslim | Jul 11, 2008 12:04:50 AM

Soldier . And what grade did you receive in your class?BTW I've two sons in the service and they complain about some of the ethnocentric crappy attitudes of "soldiers" .

Posted by: mhm | Jul 11, 2008 12:06:35 AM

again, another muslim crazy thing.

Posted by: adf | Jul 11, 2008 12:10:23 AM

MHM: I earned an M.A. in international relations before enlisting, thanks. And tell your 'sons in the service' that if they serve in forward units and are forced to watch men have sex with small boys in Afghanistan, don't look so surprised. And if you think I'm 'ethnocentric' because I think 6 years in prison is harsh for public sex, then you and your perfect life can go visit there. Chances are, you'll be caught up in something and be punished at exaggerated level for a small crime. But then again, I'm not allowed to judge the culture of others, right? Just let em keep beheading people for minor crimes.

Posted by: Soldier | Jul 11, 2008 12:11:28 AM

OH, and try having sex in a back seat of a car (not even in public) in georgia, United states of america. you will be sent to jail as one of my college friend was sent to jail for that. Again, we are taking about dubai and supposedly "backward" people as most like to call them. Something you dont want your child to see, please dont defend it. it makes us look hypocrates. do we just need reasons to label others?

Posted by: muslim | Jul 11, 2008 12:13:51 AM

The fact is this: In Afghanistan, grown men have intercourse with young boys. But in Bahrain, the same religion's doctrine is used to punish those having sex in public. American soldiers are doing work you couldn't possibly appreciate in these Godforsaken countries. Truth be told, many of these people don't appreciate or deserve the help that American servicemen and women are giving them. Many are illiterate, backwards, Dark ages-ling wastes of life who prey on innocent people like abused women and small children for appeasement of their most base sadistic pseudo-religious impulses. Believe what you want, but you've never been there.

Posted by: Soldier | Jul 11, 2008 12:15:20 AM

Hummm, drunk in public, assault on a police officer, sex in public in a Middle Eastern country - these two must have been lawyers! Lawyers prevent stupid people from dying and those stupid people procreate and make more stupid people who become lawyers.. never ending cycle! Middle East Islam bizarreness aside, these people are just plain stupid and will pay a dear price for their ignorance.

Posted by: Dan | Jul 11, 2008 12:15:44 AM

Muslim: For 6 years? Yeah, ok. And what about crime? We behead people here now? Let's be honest here. You came here because the life opportunities are better. If those countries are so accepting, decent, and merciful, then why is it that you don't live there? I will be frank: I am beyond most people in accepting all walks of life. Like I said, I'm a democrat and I support Obama for President. But don't defend the actions of these stone-age cavemen and then criticize THIS country. Yes, there are some bad laws here... But we don't institute draconian measures as punishment (aside from drug laws, which are obviously ridiculous here as well) and we don't stone adulterers, homosexuals, and divorcees without the permission of their husbands to death in a public arena. You like Afghanistan? You're welcome to live there. I suggest you bring an armored vest.

Posted by: Soldier | Jul 11, 2008 12:25:09 AM

Soldier knows what he's talking about.
Drew is a moron.

Posted by: s | Jul 11, 2008 12:26:56 AM

"Soldier" if yo