Arnold: GOP 'Values' Talk is 'Nonsense'

To: joseshema | Nov 16, 2008 11:23:26 AM
F. Y. I. The constitution requires our President to be born in the United States, as was President-elect Barack Obama. Hawaii IS one of the 50 United States! Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger was not born in the U.S. Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger admitted to using steroids. Are they not drugs?

The Republican Party is becoming a regional party, like Northern League in Italy. To govern, the party will need to form coalitions like in Israel, France or Italy, something you can't do in our electoral system. The more the party loses elections, the more it will "go back to its values (i.e. hate politics), booting out smart people like Arnold, Jindal and Pawlenty and losing even more elections. It is a vicious cycle.

Sounds to me like Arnold has finally been sucked into the Kennedy black hole.

Republicans outside of Washington are realizing fast that the challenges of the present time require progressive solutions. Republicans, as a party, have had nothing on their agenda, outside of self perpetuation, for decades and have pandered to the far right for just that purpose.
Arnold, wake up and realize that the Democratic Party has been trying to move our nation into the future for many years.

I'm a Californian, and we have lots of Republicans here, many of whom voted for Obama. The future of the party must be wrestled away from the neocons and religious fanatics who won in 2000 with wedge issues and fear mongering. The clear and growing majority of Americans now realize they must entrust their children's future to public servants who believe the world is more than 6000 years old and are not waiting for the rapture to solve our long term fiscal problems. LETS TRUST OUR FUTURE TO THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN ONE!

The sad thing, at least for the future of the Republican party is that Arnold is closer to what American citizens want (and so was McCain - tho Jindal is a full-on exorcism performing lunatic.) The remaining few dead-enders can rail all they want about conservative principles being winners but that is nothing more than fading chatter as the party swirls down drain. The cultural wars are over! It hasn't really sunk in to some people yet but it will. So if you are in that group (bless your poor soul) what are you going to do? Guns are selling. There's still boatloads of cash to pour into campaigns of lies to prop up the last few bastions of institutional rigidity that provide the warm glow you feel when you see 'those' people but the narrative is over. The arc of democracy always bends to allow more personal freedom. It is not possible to roll that back with a democratic political movement. Increasingly, the only alternative will be to adopt colored-shirts, nationalistic slogans, and military tactics. Will you go down that road? I know the "First Dude" and his friends don't give a damn about America but will these cultural-warriors (who claim to love this country) still love America when it no longer reflects their prejudice? We need to watch this very carefully.

I really liked what Arnold had to say. That's the kind of republican I could work with. He doesn't sound like some nut. He sounds like a pragmatist and he's thinking about and working for the right things. He has tremendous presence and energy. I'd be happy to have him in a visible role in Obama's administration. He did a good job inspiring kids when he was the President's exercise guy. He's about to run into term limits I think. It would be a waste not to use all that energy for America.

Republican core values? They only have two. Take from the poor, and give to the rich.

They cloak it in religion, but basically they are unchristian, and selfish.

The idea that Arnold could get away with his comments without being confronted on his choice to endorse and campaign for McCain (referring to Obama as a "girlie man") then act as if "republican or democrat does not matter" is just the kind of politics that we are rejecting!!! George needs to get out of bed with these people and confront them on their comments, statements and positions when they change. This would be a recognition he upholding a journalistic standard and not just playing the game to stay on TV......

It is truly amazing that anyone would hold Arnold up as what is need in America. He has resided over a state that is 28 Billion in debt. Not exactly a good role model.

Republicans are out of power and can no longer be blamed for the failures in Washington once Obama takes over. I suspect a lot of people will be shocked at the direction he attempts to take our nation and the destructiveness of his policies. Republicans only need to maintain their principles of smaller government, strong defense, lower taxes, and the relentless push to defeat the terrorist.

If you are on the other side of the Republican party (mumbling about small government and taxes and personal responsibility (just not for those above a certain income)) then where are you going? I actually happen to be a southerner who is old enough to remember a solid Democratic south. In '64 when Johnson won a landslide we noticed a bunch of our fellow Democrats were not too happy with Lyndon but we thought, "heck, they can read, the Constitution applies to all of us and once they get that we'll all be OK." In '66 we went to the polls for the primaries (the real election then) and couldn't find any of those people on our ballots - they were running as Republicans! I had NEVER seen Republicans like those guys! Republicans that were racist? We couldn't believe it. Of course, less than 20 years later, Saint Ron turned the keys to the party over to those guys and they are still in the driver's seat. So what will happen to all the non-holy Republicans? Sarah and her crowd will be quite happy to promise whatever is necessary to get votes. They'd love nothing better than to drag a few select wealthy into the streets for a tar-and-feathering to sew up the trailer-park vote in Anniston. Georgie's huge little give-away to big phama and the oldsters was just a warm-up! The millions that were wasted on the whole abstinence fiasco (welfare for the religious nut with no money-making prospects) is just another example. Do you honestly think those people give gas in a high-wind about your conservative small-government principles? They run that party. They're going tell you sit in the back seat and shut up! Enjoy the ride! (On the other hand, being Democrats, we're open to fiscal conservatism. There still are conservative Democrats! We don't practice exorcism or ideological pogroms. We're just looking for what is best for America. If you join us we will listen (our majority might not always agree with you but the only limitation to that is your power of persuasion and your ability to demonstrate results.)) Think about it.

Many Republicans are saying that America is still center-right, that if they had run someone more conservative than they would have won. I have a question for them to consider though: how is it that John McCain become the nominee? He was nominated through a primary process in which people who consider themselves conservative vote in the Republican primaries. Thus, the Republican constituency decided to go away from the more conservative candidates and went for the only moderate in the group. How do these so-called values conservatives expect to sell a more conservative candidate to the wider public when the very people who make up the bedrock of the party voted moderate? That's not rocket science.

I was the founding member of my high school's young Republican club. That was 2001. The incessant focus on traditional values and their increasingly bellicose notions of foreign policy drove me away. I voted for Kerry and I voted for Obama. And if any of the folks who were primary candidates, vice presidential candidates, or any of their major surrogates from the Republican campaign run in 2012 I can guarantee you I will vote for any Democrat over them. I would probably vote for Bernie Sanders over any of those clowns...especially Palin. However, if someone like Schwarzenegger (which I realize would take a Constitutional ammendment) or Bloomberg would run in 2012, I believe I could be persuaded to go Republican.

Terrier,

I don't see any idological flexibility in the Democratic party what so ever. Look what is happening to Joe lieberman. Look what happens to anyone who doesn't bow to the litmus test on abortion or gay marriage. The Democrats are quick to call me and others like me racist just because we oppose the expansion of the welfare state. They have become thugs - see what happened to a private citizen that just wanted to ask a question of king Barry - they looked at this PRIVATE CITIZENS driving record, looked at his tax records, and also looked at his professional associations and licenses. I happen to believe this defines the Democratic party today. It is defined by the hyper partisanship of Chuck Schumer and Rham Emmanuel and the demand of ideological purity.

The Republican party might have lost its way under GWB but it remains the only party that is willing to entertain the idea of smaller government and lower taxes. It is the only party that openly argues for victory over terrorism. And, it still remains the only party where strong national defense is supported, not looked at as a potential source of funds for further expansion of the welfare state.

The Democrats have seen their fortunes rise, not because of the value of their ideas but because of GWB unwillingness to adhere to conservative principles and the failures that have resulted. The next two years of one party, Democratic party rule, will demonstrate the intolerance and lack of value in the approach Democrats propose. As Mick alluded to, I hope Republicans do not make the mistake we made in 1994 by allowing a failing Clinton administration to revive itself by taking credit for the changes brought by the takeover by house and senate Republicans. Obama and the Democratic party should be allowed to implement their policies so Americans can see plainly how flawed they are. We will be there to pick up the pieces in 2012 as Reagan was in 1980 and hopefully we won't have to talk about the supposed "compassion" of failed liberal ideology for another generation.

Grissom. All repubs in CA would be conservative dems in NY. Repubs in CA are vastly different from a repub in lets say Alabama. Hell, Guilliani pre the primary would be considered a conservative dem down in Alabama.

Fred, I wasn't calling you a racist! You don't have a sad story about how the Democratic party left you (because they decided to support civil rights.) Do you? I'm trying to tell you the damned truth about who is in charge in your precious little party that entertains "the idea of smaller government and lower taxes." It is NOT that philosophy (other than it's entertainment value!) Palin and her ilk will gladly throw you under any handy passing bus if you don't support their out-of-the-mainstream religiously based ideology. (If you do support it then read my earlier comment.)

Yep, we Democrats have no ideological flexibility at all! That's why Reid is anti-abortion and the House is full of Blue-dog Democrats concerned about the deficit and the bailout. That's why Obama has stated that he doesn't want Lieberman exiled. Bush governed as a conservative. It failed. Now you think we're all stupid enough for a do-over? If Bush was not a conservative then why did you vote for him - twice? The point is that the majority in this country will not support conservatives when the so-called 'conservatives' can't even decide what Conservatism is except that if it were done right there would be no need for Democrats (excuse me (and most of the rest of us) for not holding our breath.) There is NO CONSERVATIVE PHILOSOPHY - just a bunch of people that can't decide whether the government owns my daughter's womb or Exxon does.

It won't be 28 years in the wilderness for the GOP this time while the Democratic Party cleans up the wreck 'conservatism' has made of this country - it will be the end of that party. It just won't hang together. You may individually enjoy the purges and the backstabbing that will come but if you're not southern and you don't pray loudly to Jesus, you will be discarded. I'm just trying to save you some pain. Enjoy the ride. The cliff is not the problem - it's the ground that waits.

Sounds like a conservative Democrat to me LOL

Posted by: Grissom | Nov 16, 2008 9:50:11 AM

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No, it's called COMMON SENSE!!

Maybe that is why the RepubTards are a DYING BREED.

Anytime Religion drives Politics, a nation suffers. Look at Iran. It's a dangerous mix.

Posted by: Joe | Nov 16, 2008 10:11:21
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I agree. Religion has no place in the 21st Century. The whole world would be a better place without it.

Here's a reality check...

www.zeitgeist.com

The best 2 hours of your life.

Maybe living with a democratic wife and inlaws is actually good for Arnold. He sounds like he wants what most democrates voted for when they voted for Obama. maybe he needs to swing over to the democrates. He would be welcomed with open arms. Come on over to the smart side!!!

MsRotten - let me know how that works for you when the tribulation occurs.

It would seem that the Republican party's days are numbered. If the Sara Palin faction takes over, it will become a rural southern party. Since Reagan, Republicans running for higher office have been the anti-government party. Talk about insanity: how can people who want government small enough to drown in a bathtub be expected to run a competent government. The American people are concerned about jobs, infrastructure, energy independence and true security that is earned based on justice, strength and multilateral approaches. The Republicans have brought us fear, falling infrastructure, no vision, no ability to differentiate between spending and vision, and a refusal to try anything but supply side (voodoo) economics.
The election of B Obama has brought great hope and optimism to the world, where a U.S. government can be competent, can be a partner to American business, can pursue common interests with other countries in the world and can solve problems for the future. In the interest of a two party system, I hope that the best and brightest of the Republicans will either join our diverse group, or seek to form a new party based on clear principles, and not hate and fear mongoring.
Finally I find it tragic that anyone would be so bitter and hateful to wish that an Obama administration would fail. I am confident that he will chose a talented set of advisors and that for the first time in over a decade we will see a working government again.

ell, let me know what works for you when the big rock comes and we are unprepared because we're still arguing about how many pinheads dance with angels. People that don't believe in human survival have no stake in it. Magic will not save you from a 50-ton rock. It is truly sickening that bronze-age death-wishes are more real to some people than actual fact. Fortunately, you most likely won't live long enough to have to explain to your children why you didn't address the real threats to human existence.

Don't Ahhnold's core values have something to do with steroids?
Aah! That's all-american.

Arnold speaks the truth. but whoever mg is did they forget that Arnold used steriods and that is why he had the heart condition. He speaks of using steriods if you recall. Also Obama worked his way up too. It kills me when people don't realize that afro-americans work hard to make it they only think one race has the goods on that. Republicans will never find their way if they keep on talking about the past and not living in the future. The conservatives in their party have really made the party go down. If they keep on going in that direction they will continue to lose.

The difference is while Obama was taking drugs and living the life of a token minority, Ahnold was working hard bodybuilding his career...

Posted by: joseshema
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You're an idiot. You insult Obama for admitting "experimenting" with drugs, yet you congratulate Arnold for being the leader of the most drug-infested sport known to mankind. Arnold was a full-time drug user for over 2 decades. What a maroon!
At least do a little research before you express your limited self.

And yo wonder why the old ways don't work. Dummies like you can't think your way past my 5 year old and have no idea how dumb they are.

Arnold S. will never be put on a Republican presidential ticket, because he is pro-choice. Lieberman thought he would be the Veep pick, and then found out that most of the party would not accept him, no matter how much support he was willing to give McCain.

The discussion about Lieberman changing parties is ridiculous. The Democratic Party put him on their ticket in 2000. The Republicans refused to put him on their ticket in 2008. Which party do you think treated him the best?