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Ambassador: Pakistani Government Not Involved in Mumbai Attacks
November 30, 2008 9:27 AM
In an interview with "This Week" Pakistani Ambassador to the U.S. Husain Haqqani said while the Mumbai attackers may have come from Pakistan, they had no ties to the Pakistani government.
"That they are harbored by Pakistan is plain wrong," Haqqani told me.
"The important thing is that the government of Pakistan, the state of Pakistan, the military of Pakistan, and even the intelligence services are not directly involved," he said.
"If there are individuals -- look in this country the United States people have been arrested for plotting and planning terrorism. Does that mean the U.S. government is at fault?"
Haqqani said his government has gone the extra mile to reassure the Indian government that "we feel their pain."
But he said the heated rhetoric coming from India precludes a talked about trip to India by the head of Pakistan's intelligence services.
"The rhetoric right now is such that this is not the right time for a high-level meeting of that sort," Haqqani said. "Pakistan will definitely cooperate with the Indians in every detail if there is evidence that there is any link to anybody."
As Indians question their own government on whether the Mumbai attack could have been prevented, Haqqani said, "Intelligence failure? I think people have to look closer to home for that."
However, Haqqani implored the Indians not to view the attack through the prism of the bitter relationship between India and Pakistan.
"The point we must remember is that we should not see this heinous act in the context of India-Pakistan relations. We should see it in the context of international terrorism. There are terrorists that have trained in all countries of the world secretly. They are non-state actors. I don't think that this is the time for India, or anybody in India to accuse Pakistan. It's time to work with Pakistan," he said.
"As two democracies we need to strengthen each other rather than fall into the trap of the terrorists who want us to fight with each other so that they can get greater strength," he said.
If India posts military troops along it's border with Pakistan, Haqqani said Pakistan will be forced to do the same, diverting resources from fighting the Taliban which has gained strength in parts of Pakistan.
"Pakistan and Afghanistan became the focus of jihad central many many years when they were all fighting the Soviets . So these people have roots in some remote parts of our country. They have spread those roots. Some of the efforts in the war on terror have not been successful. Our dictator, General Musharraf did not do the right thing to eliminating the terrorists but the new government is making it's effort and our intelligence services are far better prepared," he said.
"Pakistan is a victim of terrorism. India is a victim of terrorism. The victims need to get together. Forget about our bitter history," he said.
Asked whether a member of President-elect Barack Obama's team would be welcome to broker a compromise on the disputed area of Kashmir, Haqqani said Sen. Hillary Clinton, rumored to be Obama's pick for Secretary of State, or anyone else would be welcome.
"I think it's about time that people put those arguments behind us and if anyone can help us do that that would definitely be a good thing," he said.
--George Stephanopoulos
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"we need to strengthen each other rather than fall into the trap of the terrorists who want us to fight with each other so that they can get greater strength"
Well said. Not questioning their narrative is also a trap.
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Posted by: visor | Nov 30, 2008 10:07:50 AM
while the Mumbai attackers may have come from Pakistan, they had no ties to the Pakistani government.
"That they are harbored by Pakistan is plain wrong," Haqqani told me.
"The important thing is that the government of Pakistan, the state of Pakistan, the military of Pakistan, and even the intelligence services are not directly involved," he said.
They may have come from Pakistan but Pakistan "NOT DIRECTLY" involved...Yes Pakistan if outsources it to jehadi groups then it cannot be directly involved...
WHY IS ABC GOVONG IN YO PAKISTAN PROPAGANDA WITHOUT EQUAL TIMe TO THE VICTIM (INDIA's) VIEW..
WHEN 911 HAPPENED HOW MUCH TIME WAS SPEN ON INTELLIGENCE FAILURE AND HOW MUCH ON WHO/WHEN RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ATTCK...WHY IS INDIAN'S BLOOD SPILLED IS LESSER THAN WHOTE AMERICANS BLOOD...
RACIST BUNCH OF PIGS..
Posted by: abc | Nov 30, 2008 10:23:16 AM
btw WHEN 911 HAPPENED THERE WAS INTELLIGENCE FAILRE TOO ON USA SIDE...THAT DIDNT MAKE USA RESPONSIBLE FOR 911...
WHY WAS THIS NOT CHALLENGED ON PAK AMBADASSADOR WAS SPINNING...
OH WELL GEORGE IS RACIST... IF THIS ATTACK(GOD FORBID) HAD HAPPENED IN US HE WOULD NOT HAVE CALLED PAK AMBADASSADOR FOR INTERVIEW...I DIDNT SEE GEORGE INTERVIEWING PAK/SAUDI AMBADASSADOR AFTER 911 ATTACK TO GIVE THEIR VIEWS...WHY THIS DOUBLE STANDARDS
Posted by: abc | Nov 30, 2008 10:28:27 AM
The Pakistani Ambassador can protest all he likes but his words are meaningless unless Pakistan makes it ABSOLUTELY clear that individuals who engage in such actions will be hunted down like the dogs that they are and charged and prosecuted by the government of Pakistan for inhuman and Un-Islamic behavior.
Posted by: rakko | Nov 30, 2008 11:05:20 AM
The fact of the matter is that Pakistan has been steadily degenerating into a lawless state where actual control on the ground is retained by fundamental islamic forces and control of the politician puppets is held by the US government with its myopic and selfish self interests. Both Mushsharaaf then and Zardari (Mr 10 percent) are pawns in the hands of 2 parties - fundamental jihadists on one hand and ammo and cash- toting CIA on the other hand. All these jihadis starting with Bin Laden were trained in the 1980s by the CIA
Posted by: gg | Nov 30, 2008 11:28:58 AM
I have this bridge for sale too, any takers? That is as true a statement as pakistan was not involved. If these people's mouths are moving they are lying. Of course you can't find rats in the walls of a house without an exterminator, I guess caves are filled with extremist vermin and going to be hard to remove.. especially when this country is in denial and funded by the US and terrorists. A rock and a hard place.
Posted by: Jo Minneapolis | Nov 30, 2008 11:49:21 AM
PEOPLE WAKE UP! Why is that you have both the Afghan and Indian governments pointing towards Pakistan when asked where the attackers originate from? Karzai has told the world many times over that Pakistan along with it's ISI is responsible for most if not all of the violence in Afghanistan. Pakistan is not an ally of USA. My heart goes out to victims in Mumbai and to the nation of India.
WE CANNOT ALLOW PAKISTAN TO TERRORIZE IT'S NEIGHBORS!
Posted by: Zahir Rahimi | Nov 30, 2008 12:01:39 PM
The whole interview is a hog-wash and a prop to Pakistani government. George is slowly shifting the arguement in favor of Pak:
(1) by not probing more into which elements in ISI are supporting the jihadis (there is already preliminary evidence on this shown to the media)
(2) suggesting that any move by India will affect the American operations in Afghanistan - a indriect reference to India saying that American lives are more precious than Indian lives?
(3) letting the ambassador off the hook by not pushing him on who is funding these terrorists, why are they operating from Pakistan, how long have they been there etc. - purely one-sided
(4) why do we need diplomacy at this stage - all India needs now is a show of force. Keep in mind that's what US did after 9/11. Why should tehere be different rules of engagement for India?
So, George don't undermine the intelligence of India and the dignity and repsect the victims of terror deserve. I'm sure you are capable of much better reporting than this. You just have to have an open mind and try harder!!!
Yogi
Posted by: Yogi Rao | Nov 30, 2008 12:06:04 PM
Obama was responsible for this attack. Since Obama sneezed and they said stocks rallied because of him. WHy not tie this also to Obamas
Posted by: Kennel | Nov 30, 2008 12:06:29 PM
O no, baby boy.
No more dirty war !
Posted by: Anti-war | Nov 30, 2008 12:09:26 PM
The "terrorist" attacks are obsiousely organized by CIA and local Indian Intelligence. What their goal is?
USA want to involve India into war with Afganistan.
What India gets? India will smash Pakistan and gets territories
What USA gets? Dismantled Pakistani nuclear weapon.
What Pakistan gets? Blood and Death.
USA is an Empire of Evil. Its slogan: divide and conquire!
Posted by: abx | Nov 30, 2008 12:12:39 PM
obama will be the reason for only the good that happens for the first cuple of years. we all need to get used to that. i would say, after two years of failures, only then will the media start to call him out. until then, he will play absolutely no part in the worlds problems.
Posted by: tim | Nov 30, 2008 12:18:41 PM
This selfish bastard does not have any remorse that citizens of his country were involved in cold blooded murder of
innocent citizen..and the moron so called journalist cannot ask a simple question..If his 13 year old daughter was murdered like this what would he do.. Shame on ABC not interview the victims of this terror and allowing Pakistan Propoganda..
Posted by: MANOJ JAIN | Nov 30, 2008 12:20:37 PM
On Saturday morning, I phoned an Indian business colleague in Mumbai. Beyond, his resolute horror over the targeted attacks upon his city and country, he later expressed concerns for India's finance relationships with Pakistan and the taut financial link between them. He feared another war would severely damage both nations, particularly given the advanced nuclear capability on both sides. He was withholding final judgements on the root of the attacks prior to a full investigation, however, he did not discount the strong indications of an al-quida "franchise" of fundamentalist jihadists based outside of India. In our conversation, we did not know about Lashkar and new reported developments about a backer link to political entities in Pakistan.
The matter of Kashmir and its territorial boundaries between India and Pakistan will not end quietly. The peace process must push itself forward and ultimately prevail to protect us all from the ramapant insanity of insurgent fringe elements!
Posted by: world/econ = war/econ | Nov 30, 2008 12:28:59 PM
Pakistan created Taliban, Jaish-whatever and exported nuclear know how. They only broke with Taliban when threatened by United States.
Who really know if Musharraf was telling the truth or this government is telling the truth.
For now terror continues to find foster homes in Pakistan.
Posted by: Tapan Ansari | Nov 30, 2008 12:29:39 PM
It is shameful how the Indian government and the Indian public are so eager to point the blame on Pakistan. A well organized attack of this nature cannot be orchestrated with interior domestic help. Every time a fire cracker goes off, the Indians point at Pakistan. For all the recent terrorist attacks in Pakistan, the Pakistani government has not pointed fingers at India. So the narrow minded Indians and their government should act more maturely and try to resolve the problems that cause these incidents. Look at your domestic policies and you will realize why these incidents occur. People do not care how you live your life, but how you treat and tyrannize others which cause these uprisings.
Posted by: Shuja | Nov 30, 2008 12:37:04 PM
MANOJ JAIN - You make some good points. It is my belief that the US needs to stay out of this. I believe we bombed another wedding party in Afganistan just a couple of weeks ago in which I imagine many 13 year olds were killed. An act of terrorism which should give us zero credibility.
Posted by: Huh | Nov 30, 2008 12:39:18 PM
I think as an INDIAN , I shouldn't be concerned about this talk by US Media . I guess they lost their reporting ethics long after I have seen their partisanship towards a particular candidate in US elections ! ... We Indians should protect our countrymen and defend them in other countries. Countries who take revenge in NO TIME after pearl harbor / 911 should stop preaching resilience to long resilient and largest democracy in the world . Also as a christian - Americans should stop thinking they are children of God and start honoring their principles !
Posted by: Joseph | Nov 30, 2008 12:51:21 PM
Shuja: Your stated comments regarding India - and labeling the horrific Mumbai massacre an "uprising" are unfounded by evidence and only serve to present your unbridled bias and ignorance. It is a well-known fact, post 9/11, Pakistan military forces have been infiltrated with disaffected militia who despise India! And, given this well-known knowledge, the problem with Pakistan does come from a faction or element within the INSIDE of Pakistan's government!
Posted by: world/econ = war/econ | Nov 30, 2008 12:53:51 PM
Joseph - Well stated sir. It is refreshing to hear someone with some semblance of reality. India needs to chart her own course in this and determine what is the best actions to take.
As a side note. The money the US has wasted in Iraq and Afganistan could have been used to build a new metropolis with lots of skyscrapers. I mean how many buildings does a trillion+ dollars build.
Think outside the box folks and vote Ron Paul in 2012!
Posted by: Huh | Nov 30, 2008 12:56:03 PM
Shame on you. What is the logic in giving terrorists more prime time and propoganda.
Pakisthan is the mother ship of all terrorists. What will it take for the American public and politicians to realize this.
Posted by: James Whitticom | Nov 30, 2008 12:58:59 PM
What use of force by India? That would surely be the most counterproductive use of force ever. And I do not say that lightly. It would further weaken the Pakistan government and make it even less able to deal with the terrorists it needs to confront. No, there is no easy solution to this.
Posted by: Hein | Nov 30, 2008 1:02:51 PM
James Whitticom - Stop sending Pakistan aid.
As a side note: DO you believe the bombing of wedding parties by the US in which scores of people die an act of terrorism? Do you believe these events should be resisted and avenged? Do you believe the Iraqi sanctions throughout the 90s in which 500,000+ Iraqis died, and act of terrorism/genocide by the US? I could go on of course because their is plenty of material.
Posted by: Huh | Nov 30, 2008 1:03:14 PM
I have to agree with the Pakistan Ambassador that Pakistan as in the government of Pakistan was not masterminding this attack. Also, Pakistan is not denying that the terrorists operating in Pakistan affect themselves and the neighbors (India and Pakistan). All kinds of terrorists are operating in Pakistan and the government is unable to control them. If they want to put an end to terrorism then they must cooperate with the world community and ensure that terrorists operating within their borders are creating problems for the world and maybe admit that while they are trying their best they are failing miserably and that the NATO forces at one side and the Indian forces on the other can assist Pakistan to crush the terrorist if it does seriously want to end terrorism. Pakistan cannot play the game it has been playing for all these years of appearing to hunt with the USA and run with the terrorist. Any loans by the IMF should be linked to its performance in flushing out the terrorists within its borders. The world should support the emerging Democracy of Pakistan with checks and balances in place and even if the government has a 10% price on any loans, it should earn it.
Posted by: gjkotw01 | Nov 30, 2008 1:04:41 PM
why is abc interviewing only the pak ministers???
come to india see for yourself once. talk to indians we also want to tell our point of views..
pak is involved. i could even bet osama is hiding there.They are liars. F******liars.
WHAT GIVES THE USA RIGHT TO GO TO ANY DAMN COUNTRY AND BOMBARD IT AND NOT INDIANS WHO HAVE BEEN SUFFERING TERRORISM SINCE SO LONG. WHEN WE WANT WAR THE USA WANTS PEACE! FAIR HA!
I HOPE OBAMA BRINGS 'THE CHANGE' HE TALKS ABOUT ALL THE TIME. le t go off your bias. and countries deal with thier problems themselves
Posted by: furious | Nov 30, 2008 1:07:47 PM
A.B.C. NETWORK =
ALL BIAS COMMUNICATION NETWORK
Posted by: world/econ = war/econ | Nov 30, 2008 1:11:12 PM
How can you Hindus condemn Terrorism when only recently scores of Muslims were burnt alive in Gujarat, India. Even in this city of Mumbai, a Hindu Fundamentalist/Terrorist party of Bal Thackeray is in power. These blood-thirsty Hindus have killed and mutilated thousands of Muslims during their rule and they have been in power for more than two decades; though their crimes and atrocities are not reported in the mainstream media. The incident of burning Muslims alive was only mentioned so far by Thomas Friedman in his weekly column.
Bottom line is that instead of this infantile act of blaming Pakistan you should be praying to your Monkey-god, Rat-god, the Holy Cow or whoever you find divine enough.
Posted by: Holy Cow | Nov 30, 2008 1:16:08 PM
Create strife along the Pakistan/Indian border. Pakistan moves troops from the Afghan border and the bad lands to the Indian border thus opening up movement for al-quida and the taliban into Afghanistan. We always underestimate our enemy.
Posted by: itwillbeallright | Nov 30, 2008 1:21:34 PM
Holy Cow - Excellent points.
Hindus vs. Muslims
IDF vs. Hamas
Sunnis vs. Shiites
Druzes vs. Shiites
IDF vs. Hezbollah
Kurds vs. Turks
USA vs. Anyone that disagrees
Sounds like a spectacular pay for view event. By the way all are guilty of crimes, but the powerful entities will have to make the first moves with genuine initiative for anything to get done.
Remember the "Golden Rule"!
Posted by: Huh | Nov 30, 2008 1:22:45 PM
What is wrong with ABC? Do they represent the terrorists? Did they provide airtime to Al-Qaida after 9/11 or to Hamas after the bombings in Israel? Why then give a forum for the Pakistani ambassador to repeat those phony, denials when anyone with average intelligence knows that Pakistan is the epicenter of global terrorism – be it the carnage in London, Kabul or Mumbai. Sure the Pak government would feign innocence or ignorance, but it is undeniable that Pakistan is a failed state with no control over the ISI or the breeding grounds for the Jihadists (madarasas) and the sprawling terror camps scattered across their land. This is an open secret, except to those with willing blindness.
Even before the river of blood in Mumbai has dried ABC chose to provide a friendly forum to the ambassador from Pakistan - the epicenter of global terrorism without an opportunity for rebuttal from the victim’s side.
That ABC would prefer to sleep with an unabashed spokesman from a terrorist state even before the pools of blood has been wiped or the victims have been buried points to moral turpitude and a callous assault on the soul of the countless innocents brutally decimated by the Jihadists nurtured by the terrorist state of Pakistan and the religion of rage – a scourge to mankind.
Posted by: samy | Nov 30, 2008 1:31:54 PM
I hope India wakes up and responds befittngly
Posted by: citizen | Nov 30, 2008 1:39:19 PM
I think to calm India, Pakistan should follow the world trend and simply “outsource” its their terrorist network to India.
Wouldn’t it be great, next time when you call a Terrorist network, you get a guy with a funny accent on the other line?
Posted by: Holy Cow | Nov 30, 2008 1:56:09 PM
GEORGE STEP-ON-ALL-OF-US
Posted by: world/econ = war/econ | Nov 30, 2008 2:07:39 PM
why are Americans rushing into saving Pakistan?
This biased veiw has led them into mess all over the world.
A military attack organised into new york will not be rationalised into preventing a war, nuclear or else,,then why ??
Its always about americas war in afgan, theres nothig there, go home.. u have no right to posture in this way in the region, u could not do anything to the man or the talibs,are just feild testing your drones.
keep propping the failed state of pakistan till u find nuclear bombs from there at your doorstep.
why ,why is USA so incompetent in dealing with the centre of all eviland terror- the pak and repeatedly play into their hands? Americans! we can only pity you and your foreign policy.. things are only going to be worse for you if you continue with the games and dont face the evil in the eye
Posted by: gp | Nov 30, 2008 2:57:07 PM
what nonsense are these experts talking about? there can be no relations between India and Pakistan, there never were.. what is this world community going to achieve?
Nuclear war between the two is not going to start any world war, the entire world from Russia to Iran and Israel recognize that Pakistan is a rouge nation, it will only lead to decimation of pakistan.
With out the senseless American love there really is no difference between Pakistan and Afghanistan.
From the US to UK to India all the news about terrorists are that they are from pakistan, still the west stoops everytime for they dirty relation with the pakistanis..
Posted by: gp | Nov 30, 2008 3:07:55 PM
hey hey hey ru all fuckin out of ur mind. we lived for centuries together the muslims and the hindus not even single thing happend until these fuckin rednecks brits invaded our homeland. how many innocent people are dead coz of these brits and americans the point is we haf to unite n look for the cause the kashmiries want separate homeland why can't a person be allowed to have freedom n happy life as you all do, y did they invaded the soverienity of iraq,who is killing inncocent ppl in pakistan,who is responsible for the cause. YOU KNOW THE ANSWER.........
AND PLZ STOP LICKING BALLS OF THESE FUCKIN AMERICANS.
THEY ARE NOT THE ONE WHO CREATED YOU.
YOU HAF BEEN CREATED BY GOD AS A FREE MAN, SO LIVE UP YOUR OWN LIFE N STICK TO UR OWN VALUES.
IF YOU LEAVE THE WINDOW OPEN THE POSSIBILITY IS THAT THE OTHER WILL PEEP THROUGH IT....
Posted by: free man | Nov 30, 2008 3:16:32 PM
I'm not sure what to make about the level of discourse around here.
Posted by: kat | Nov 30, 2008 3:27:25 PM
I hate to disclose the news to you, but a lot of muslims in your midst are plotting against western civilization. They are like leeches sucking your blood without you realizing it and they have only contempt for USA.Just confront them and ask them ,what is wrong with Islam, and you will hear cries of ' discrimination of muslims' around the world. If you hear that, smack their face and ask them to stand up against the mullas and radicals.Muslims are incapable of co existence with any culture until they become rulers.Be ready for bomb blasts in hotels and kintergartens once muslims become > 10% of US population.Be ready for the civilizational war fuelled by petro dollars and rhetoric from mosques around the world. I hate to be an alarmist, but we have confronted this sad reality in India.
Posted by: StoplisteningtoPakis | Nov 30, 2008 3:41:51 PM
Folks, dont fall for the glib talking pakistani politicians..You guys have done this mistake during russian invasion of afghanistan by arming pakistan which in turn trained and nurtured terrorists like Bin laden. USA should call pakistan's bluff and dismantle its ISI. I am sure that the billions of dollars given to pakistan is used to train ,arm and send these terrorists to different part of the world by ISI. Why hasnt the poor in pakistan benifitted from the billions of dollars pumped in by USA? Pakistanis are so adept at hoodwinking US diplomats by double talking. All the training given to the pakistan army will be used against Indians, not against terrorists.USA is making a serious mistake by not accounting for the aid given to pakistan.50 years of co existence with a sizable muslim population has taught India the lesson that, muslims will place their religion above their motherland.These suckers should have gone to pakistan during partition ,allowing India to develop without getting distracted by terrorism and minority appeasment. Be very afraid of the western educated pakistani who smiles at you, then goes home, troll extremist internet sites and send donations to these vermins. If a muslim youth in your midst suddenly become reclusive, starts growing beard and disappear mysteriously .. be wary of him when he comes back. He may bomb you out of existence with the training he got from pakistan.Pakistan is the swamp where these maggots are breeding. If pakistans excuse for recent carnage is that " Our govt. is not involved, there may be elements from our country,but they are not under our control' , then such a country is not worth the existence. India has the same right as USA to pre emptively strike the terrorist camps mushrooming in pakistan. My only message to my gullible western brethren is that YOU GUYS DONT KNOW YOU ARE FEEDING A MULTIHEADED HYDRA MONSTER BY THE NAME OF PAKISTAN. I hate to disclose the news to you, but a lot of muslims in your midst are plotting against western civilization. They are like leeches sucking your blood without you realizing it and they have only contempt for USA.Just confront them and ask them ,what is wrong with Islam, and you will hear cries of ' discrimination of muslims' around the world. If you hear that, smack their face and ask them to stand up against the mullas and radicals.Muslims are incapable of co existence with any culture until they become rulers.Be ready for bomb blasts in hotels and kintergartens once muslims become > 10% of US population.Be ready for the civilizational war fuelled by petro dollars and rhetoric from mosques around the world. I hate to be an alarmist, but we have confronted this sad reality in India.
Posted by: Bewareof Pakistan | Nov 30, 2008 3:43:42 PM
Free Man: You are a MORON!
Posted by: world/econ = war/econ | Nov 30, 2008 4:17:53 PM
FREE MAN: your vulgar, anger-fueled diatribe proves one point. Just how deeply you have benefited from a western system on the one hand - while you strike down your benefactor with the other!
Posted by: world/econ = war/econ | Nov 30, 2008 4:26:55 PM
There cannot be any peace in the world until Islam is eradicated from the face of the world.
People may say Islam promotes love and peace, but if you put a flag on the map where terrorism and violence rules, you will see Muslims there.
Posted by: Visitor | Nov 30, 2008 5:01:54 PM
Pakistan is the "Nerve center" to produce terrorist.They have been harbouring ,providing them with money and support of all kinds.They take 10s of billions of dollars from the US govt,half of which goes to the pockets of politicians like Musharraf and the rest goes to support .The country is on the brink of collapse with pakistan runing around with a begging bowl and yet ,the pursue Nuclear means and spend a lot more of their money on defence .
All the evidence leads to one destination "pakistan".Their PM or ambassador saying anything is BALLONEY.
They dont know the meaning of the word Harmony,tolernce and Peace.They harbour ill feelings,in their mentality to kill for no reason and become martyrs in hell which is brainwashed in the MADRASas as heaven.
the US govt should stop supporting Pakistan and wasting money because they catch innocent civilians and produce them as millitants while the kingpins like DAWOOD ibrahim and Osama are happily sitting there and orchestrating
whatever they want to because they have been given a safe haven by the Pak govt.
Posted by: skr | Nov 30, 2008 7:33:32 PM
If, as now seems likely, last week's terrible events in Mumbai were the work of Islamic terrorists, that's more bad news for India's minority Muslim population. Never mind that the perpetrators were probably funded from outside India, in connection with the ongoing conflict over Kashmir. The attacks will feed a powerful stereotype of the violent and untrustworthy Muslim, bent on religious conquest, who can never be a good democratic citizen. Such stereotypes already shadow the lives of Indian Muslims, who make up 13.5% of the population.
But it's important to consider Indian terrorism in a broader context.
Terrorism in India is by no means peculiar to Muslims. A string of recent incidents has been linked to Islamic groups, most of these with foreign ties and pertaining to Kashmir. However, the most bloody recent example of terrorism in India was the slaughter of as many as 2,000 Muslim civilians by Hindu right-wing mobs in the state of Gujarat over several months in 2002.
This horrendous pogrom was portrayed at the time as retaliation for an alleged Muslim torching of a train car carrying mostly Hindu passengers. Two independent inquiries have since concluded that the fire was, instead, a tragic accident caused by passengers' kerosene stoves.
But even if that was not known at the time, most of those killed -- or raped or beaten -- lived long distances from the original incident and could have had no connection to it. Moreover, there was copious evidence of pre-planning: Hindu right-wing groups had kept lists of Muslim dwellings and businesses.
Evidence that Gujarat's state government egged-on the perpetrators was also overwhelming and led to the U.S. State Department in 2005 denying a visa to Narendra Modi, Gujarat's chief minister. Recently, the Indian investigative journal Tehelka uncovered even more proof of government complicity in the murderous, anti-Muslim attacks. A Tehelka reporter using a hidden camera interviewed participants in the Gujarat violence, who described how bombs were manufactured in factories owned by members of the Hindu right; how arms were smuggled from other states; how the police were instructed to look the other way.
One leader of the Bajrang Dal (a paramilitary Hindu right-wing group) described his own role with pride: "There was this pregnant woman, I slit her open. ...They shouldn't even be allowed to breed. I say that even today. Whoever they are, women, children, whoever, nothing to be done with them but cut them down. Thrash them, slash them, burn the bastards. ... The idea is, don't keep them alive at all; after that, everything is ours."
The revelation that members of the Hindu right have embraced ethno-religious cleansing should amaze nobody. Since the 1930s, their movement has insisted that India is for Hindus, and that both Muslims and Christians are foreigners who should have second-class status in the nation.
This year, in the eastern state of Orissa, members of the Bajrang Dal have murdered scores of Christians who refused to reconvert to Hinduism. (Most Indian Christians are descendants of converts, often from the lowest Hindu castes.) Peaceful villages have been reduced to ashes; a church-run orphanage was torched; dozens of churches have been destroyed; missionaries and priests have been murdered in cold blood. Thousands have been forced to flee their homes, and at least 30,000 are homeless. The rallying cry: "Kill Christians and destroy their institutions."
In August, the Catholic bishops of India closed Catholic schools across the country "as a protest against the atrocities on the Christian community and other innocent people." Such actions, aimed at transforming India's pluralistic democracy into an ethnocentric regime, pose a grave threat to India's future.
All of this is terrorism, but most of it doesn't reach the world's front pages. When it does make it into newspapers outside India, the word "terrorism" is rarely used. The result is a perception, in India and abroad, that Muslims are the bad guys in every incident of terrorist violence.
Such stereotypes are so prevalent that many state bar associations in India refuse to defend Muslims accused of complicity in terrorism -- despite the fact that India's constitution guarantees all accused a cost-free defense.
Meanwhile, Muslim youths are often rounded up on suspicion of terrorism with little or no evidence, an analogue to the current ugly phenomenon of racial profiling in the United States.
Some Muslims are criminals. However, this does not justify demonizing Muslims, any more than the violent acts of the Hindu right justify stereotyping all Hindus as rapists and murderers. Let's go after criminals with determination, good evidence and fair trials, and let's stop targeting people based on their religious affiliation.
Martha Nussbaum is a professor of law and ethics at the University of Chicago. Her books include "The Clash Within: Democracy, Religious Violence, and India's Future" (2007) and "Liberty of Conscience: In Defense of America's Tradition of Religious Equality" (2008).
Posted by: Martha Nussbaum | Nov 30, 2008 8:52:01 PM
According to "Newsweek" no doubt Pakistan is the most dangerous country in the world. Pakistan which was West Pakistan before, its East Pakistan was dismembered by India in the 1971 war, supported by United States. Post 9/11 United States along with NATO in Afghanistan has realized that Pakistan notorious ISI has been supporting the Taliban which is making the NATO difficult to win the war. US must realize it cannot win the terror war, till the rogue country Pakistan is there supporting the terrorists. Pakistan's current democracy is a hog wash, a puppet regime which cannot or does not want to dismantle the terror groups. Pakistan cannot win, if there is war with India, and it will be heavy for Pakistan.
Posted by: Sunil | Nov 30, 2008 8:57:44 PM
I am a pakistani and my heart goes out to all the Mumbaikars and the innocent civilians who were killed in this heinous act of violence. It really broke my heart to see the picture of the little kid with his grandfather whose parents were both killed by the terrorists.
I am also saddened to see the level of hatred expressed here against Pakistan and the people of Pakistan. Please note that we have just had a civilian government after a long night of military rule which was tacitly supported by the US (and India mind you).
As a common expat of Pakistani origin, I can tell you that Pakistan is really going through an existential struggle against terrorism itself. It has 100,000 soldiers with tanks, f-16 and cobra helicopters deployed in its tribal region to combat the taliban and the militant hideouts.
Now, this attack seems to be achieving its purpose, which seems to be that the Islamists want India to over-react and cauze pakistan to redeploy its forces on the eastern border thereby giving them the breathing space that they desperately need.
Our civilian govt. and the president (that I'm not really a big fan of actually) did make an unprecedented offer of non-first-use of nukes just 2 days before this crime against humanity was committed. Our FM was in India at the time this atrocity took place. Our PM and President agreed to the Indian PM's request to send the DG of the intelligence agency as a token of good faith.
that decision was only reversed when the Indian govt channels and some media started to trumpet it as "India Summons ISI chief".... Would the Soviets have sent their KGB chief to rival US during the cuban missile crisis if the New York Times had put a headline "America Summons KGB chief" ???
Also, India has a history of blaming homegrown violence on Pakistan. The head of the Indian Anti Terror Squad, Hemant Karare was gunned down in a freak encounter with the only gunmen captured alive. This is the same Hemant Karare who recieved death threats from the Hindu Terrorist outfits like RSS and Shiv Sena (Army of God => Hizb-ul-Shiva) for prosecuting a serving Indian Military Intelligence chief who committed terrorism on the "peace express" in 2006.
At the time the Samjhota Express bombing was also blamed on Pakistan's ISI, but now it seems the only person in India who was prosecuting the Indian Army officer for being the real terrorist with links to hindu terrorists behind the bombing has been killed by none other than these "Islamists"
Some conspiracy theorists are also calling it a false flag operation by Indians to further repress their Muslim minority and to use as an excuse to attack Pakistan when it is fighting the war against terror.
Both India and Pakistan are victims of terror and it would behoove the Indian government to strenghten the fragile democracy in Pakistan rather than pushing the matters to the point where the Military Establishment could take over once again.
Anyways, it is sad, but eyeopening to see the level of hatred some Indians and Americans have towards Pakistani's.
Well done.
Posted by: KitKat | Nov 30, 2008 9:38:43 PM
I can't believe all of you dumbazzzes are believing this CRAP! Pakistan didn't have anything to do with this! This was a strategic (they call it FALSE FLAG OPERATIONS) move by the CIA and MI6 for a reason to send our troops into India because we're going to extend the Afghanistan war into Pakistan and we'll need to fight Pakistan from all sides. Anybody who thinks otherwise is a retard! In the near future, Yanks and Britts will be setting up shop in India to "keep them safe" and to "fight terrorism". Sound familiar?? lolol.
Posted by: MsRotten | Dec 1, 2008 12:05:08 AM
There cannot be any peace in the world until Islam is eradicated from the face of the world.
People may say Islam promotes love and peace, but if you put a flag on the map where terrorism and violence rules, you will see Muslims there.
Posted by: Visitor | Nov 30, 2008 5:01:54 PM
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There cannot be any peace in the World until ALL RELIGION is eradicated from the face of the World.
ALL religions were created to CONTROL the masses. There are no such "beings" as these "gods" (god, alah, et el).
After this human race dies off, I hope the next will be religion FREE! That is, IF there is still a planet Earth.
Posted by: MsRotten | Dec 1, 2008 12:39:15 AM
You know what..they say pakisthan....this country runs with three "A"s. Allah, Army and America. It is true. Otherwise why this ABC news making Pakisthani propaganda even after this brutal incident. I am shoked.
Posted by: Sharmistha | Dec 1, 2008 4:18:22 AM
If you were ask me who are the axis of evil on terrorism, they are Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. Saudi govt. gives a lot of money to the Wahabis and that money goes to poor Muslim countries like Bangladesh and Pakistan. That money funds all the madrassas where they foster nothing but hatred from the childhood. Pakistan has become the breeding ground for all kinds of terrorism. It is quite shocking that President Bush did not go after Pakistan and Saudi Arabia after 9/11. Pakistan does nothing but lip synch when it comes to stop terrorism in its soil. Pakistan Govt. has zero control over its army or ISI so I don't believe a word this idiot Ambassador is saying. Finally, where is Indian Ambassador or someone from India? Pakistan is lying with a straight face and someone needs to tell that on their face.
Posted by: Halekala | Dec 1, 2008 10:13:55 AM
Pakistan cannot be trusted. Have a look at recent events which are verifiable without Indian Government's idiotic presentation skills and stupidity:
DID YOU FORGET:
1. Daniel Pearl
2. Nuclear proliferation by KHAN & Co.
3. Kargill - Musharaf and PAKISTAN were caught with his pants down exposing his p***s
4. Distruction of Indian Embassy in Afghanistan
5. All the killings in India recently - Delhi, Gujart, Jaipr, Mumbai?
Nothing happens in Pakistan without its military knowing about it. And all roads of terror lead to Pakistan! Either we wake up as a worl or be preapered to be ruled by Islam and its terrorists in the next century.
Don't let Pakistan fool you guys.
All roads to terror including 9/11 lead to Pakistan. The gentle face of the new government is a joke.
The Military and their ISI are in command. Nothing happens in Pakistan without the Military and ISI knowing about it.
Let the Indians Mobilize the army. Let the Pakis move their army to India. What an opportunity for the American Military to go in and clean up from the Western Frontier of the Pakis. RESULTS speak LOUDER THAN WORDS. By the way these were NOT BUDDIHSTS who did this crime.
There is ONLY ONE RELIGION on the planet and only one country capable of doing what has been done. Then they cry as victims.
Posted by: Mike | Dec 1, 2008 11:35:29 AM
Now that the Government of Pakistan has realized that "non-state operators" from Pakistan are involved in the carnage what it is waiting for ? Another act. It can soothe every ruffled feather by going after them and showing that it means honest business. Terrorists anywhere are dangerous killers and deserve to be eliminated if we want to prevent innocents from butchery. Mr. Ambassador, get it done and endear yourself to the international community. Forget the Indians, you are part of the international community and contribute to its well-being.
Posted by: sambit | Dec 1, 2008 12:28:39 PM
Interesting, how fast Indian and the US points its fingers towards Pakistan without evidence. All but one of the terrorists were killed....interesting also, that the one survivor 'states' he is a Pakistani. Interesting, but all false. This is a CIA and M16 created plot! Wake-up people, didn't 9/11 each anyone anything? Don't jump to conclusions so fast. Think long and hard before pointing fingers.
Posted by: rsz | Dec 1, 2008 2:22:45 PM
Pakistan- is directly,if not indirectly is responsible for attacks recently in India. They are being diplomatic and sweet talking now.There is enough evidence coming up against them unfolding now,it is only a question of time,when international awareness wakes up to this call.
Obama is perfect in telling,that if enough evidence comes up, India can start bombing identified potholes in Pakistan.
if not this action, eradicating terrorism in global sense becomes a cry in the wilderness, unattainable rhetoric.US,INDIA -in joint effort must realize this dream.
Posted by: SUBRAMANYA | Dec 1, 2008 11:46:05 PM
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