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Obama Administration: No Prosecution of Officials for Bush-Era Torture Policy
April 19, 2009 11:21 AM
White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel said during our exclusive interview Sunday on "This Week" that President Barack Obama will not pursue the prosecution of Bush-era officials who devised torture policy against detainees, as laid out in memos the Obama administration released this week.
Earlier in the interview, I asked Emanuel about a series of officials, including former CIA director Michael Hayden and former Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, who have criticized the Obama administration's decision to release the Bush-era memos outlining torture techniques of detainees.
"First of all, we banned these techniques and practices. Banned them because we didn't think they were consistent with American security and its values," Emanuel said on "This Week."
"Second is, we've enhanced America's image abroad. These were tools used to by terrorists, propaganda tools, to recruit new terrorists. And the fact is having changed America's image, does have an impact on our security and safety to make us stronger.
"Let me say this, one of the reasons the president was willing to let this information out was that much of the information was already out. So if they're saying that you've basically exposed something, it's been written . Go get the New York Review of books. It's there. So the notion that somehow we're exposing something -- it's already out. In fact President Bush let a lot, a lot of this information out. So the notion that somehow this is all of a sudden a game-changer, doesn't take cognizance that its already in the system and in the public domain. Therefore, it's not new. So the notion that that is something we've broken, it's already been there. Number two, it's why al Qaeda, it's one of the key tools that al Qaeda has used for recruitment. There has been net cost to America. By changing the way American is seen in the world, which means banning this technique and practice, we have actually stopped them and then prevented them from using it as a rallying cry."
I asked Emanuel: "The president has ruled out prosecution for CIA officials who believed they were following the law. Does he believe that the officials who devised the policies should be immune from prosecution?"
"He believes that, look, as you saw in that statement he wrote, let's just take a step back. He came up with this and worked on this for about four weeks. Wrote that statement Wednesday night after he had made his decision and dictated what he wanted to see. And Thursday morning I saw him in the office, he was still editing it. He believes that people in good faith were operating with the guidance they were provided," Emanuel said.
What about those who devised the policy, I asked?
"Yeah, but those who devised the policy, he believes that they were, should not be prosecuted either," Emanuel said.
"And it's not the place that we go, and as he said in that letter, and I would really recommend people look at the full statement, not the letter, the statement, and that second paragraph: "This is not a time for retribution. It's a time for reflection. It's not a time to use our energy and our time in looking back and in a sense of anger and retribution.' We have a lot to do to protect America. But what people need to know? This practice and technique, we don't use anymore. We banned it."
Later on "This Week," House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, said he agrees with the president's decision not to prosecute Bush administration officials who devised the torture policy.
"We just heard from Mr. Emanuel that the president wants to move forward, no prosecution for officials who devised the policy," I said to Boehner.
Well I think that's one area, area that I can agree with the president on," Boehner said. "But I think the release of these memos is dangerous. And I agree with what Leon Panetta had to say when he made it clear that he thought this would hamper our ability to get information from terrorists and get other countries to work with us."
--George Stephanopoulos
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There is a perpetual misnomer used again this morning: "TAX and SPEND". The problem is that in truth it is reversed. First comes the spending, then the taxing. The pain and the benefit are disassociated and the pain is usually kicked down the road.
Posted by: David Oetting | Apr 19, 2009 11:45:23 AM
Thank you Rahm. You've motivated me to change my voter registration from democratic to independent tomorrow.
Posted by: jan | Apr 19, 2009 12:02:38 PM
Regarding the roundtable discussion.
I find it ironic that Sam Donaldson was appalled at the fact that Noonan
wanted to give a pass and move on rather
than prosecute those who supposedly
tortured our enemies. He wanted them
to be brought to justice for what they
had done. What is wrong with people
who have more sympathy for those looking
to inflict death and destruction on us
than those trying to save us from this?
Good grief this is another example of
the liberal press with some screwed up
priorities. Many of these "torture'
techniques were like a college hazing.
No one had their fingers cut off or
subjected to the likes of what some
of those who were so unlucky to be
captured and beheaded and the like.
Fake drowning and insects? Come on
Sam, get with the program.
Posted by: wis134 | Apr 19, 2009 12:03:51 PM
There's a good reason for this. The Obama administration also wants the ability to use that policy without fear of future prosecution. Excellent.
Posted by: Justin | Apr 19, 2009 12:07:43 PM
This just reeks of corruption. Obama has caved to the Bushies because they're going to expose something ugly if he doesn't make this go away. I'd bet money on it.
Posted by: Scott | Apr 19, 2009 12:10:59 PM
I completely disagree with the decision not to prosecute. If I break the law, I get prosecuted. So should ANYone that broke the law. Retribution? Please...
Posted by: Wrongo | Apr 19, 2009 12:12:01 PM
I agree, spending time and resources on a witch hunt is not what America needs. The practices have been acknowledged, eliminated and we need to move forward dealing with the many other important issues that face us. Put it into perspective, the men who devised these policies were morally twisted but not exactly Nazi war criminals, and trying to nail down individual responsibility in court would be nothing but a decades-long fiasco costing millions of dollars and would likely yield no real satisfaction. The decision to right the wrong and move on was the correct one.
Posted by: iamwomaninMI | Apr 19, 2009 12:15:38 PM
Selective morality. Torture is wrong...period. Hopefully warrants swill be issued in other democrtic countries for any U.S. nationals partaking in torture.
The Justice department should pursue this independently of any opinion te President has.
Posted by: Arnie | Apr 19, 2009 12:15:44 PM
ok- so the color of his skin was in fact the only "change". Meet the new boss- same as the old boss.
Posted by: jinc | Apr 19, 2009 12:17:33 PM
You got it Justin... Only thanks to the MIAC report WE are considered as "terrorist" under this administration!!!
Posted by: hmn | Apr 19, 2009 12:18:58 PM
what about the 12million ILLEGAL immigrants in the country??? They steal our jobs, money( in the form of welfare, healthcare and education)and we don't prosecute them. I was shocked at Donaldson's reaction.
Posted by: Lc | Apr 19, 2009 12:19:29 PM
We must have enemies in order to keep the money flowing, and to continue to rape the resources of other countries. S0, they must complain.
Posted by: ronnierayjenkins | Apr 19, 2009 12:24:11 PM
We must have enemies in order to keep the money flowing, and to continue to rape the resources of other countries. S0, they must complain.
Posted by: ronnierayjenkins | Apr 19, 2009 12:24:13 PM
The heading says it all. "Bush-era torture policy". Torture? Please. What liberal wrote the headline? There was no "torture policy". There were enhanced interrogation techniques, but based off what has been released, these certainly do not qualify as "torture". Plus, they got information. The methods served their purpose and helped keep America safe. Disgusting headline that ABC has put on here as if it is accepted there was a "Bush-era torture policy".
Posted by: Lee | Apr 19, 2009 12:28:59 PM
I love how you scumbags throw the word torture around REMEMBER these people kill women and kids everyday of there lives if you were caught by them they would cut your head off on TV and make a show out of it so please calm down with your words on here because if you were captured you would want the president to USE all measures to get you back!
Posted by: Mike | Apr 19, 2009 12:32:34 PM
Emanuel is dead wrong. This decision will in itself harm America's image abroad and be used by al Qaeda and other anti-American groups as a rallying cry. The message it sends to the world is pretty clear:
Torture is a crime against humanity and should be prosecuted fiercely*.
(* This does not apply to American citizens and leaders in particular)
The image of America that has existed in anti-American circles for decades just got confirmed. Nice job.
Posted by: Dane | Apr 19, 2009 12:36:00 PM
Okay, I'll bite.
What then, was the purpose of releasing the report on Bush's torture policy/methods?
Posted by: ceeLeelee | Apr 19, 2009 12:44:02 PM
When talking about the terroists you are talking about people who chop heads off and they are appalled that we use waterboarding (3 people) with a physcian present?? Give me a break. The terrorist's can always find a reason to not like us - what was the reason under the Clinton Admin.?
Posted by: CAF | Apr 19, 2009 12:44:08 PM
Obama plans to use the same tactics, only secretly and does not want to be prosecuted in the future.
Posted by: as if | Apr 19, 2009 12:44:54 PM
What are we doing? For each transgression against humanity we all suffer the consequences...have we not yet learned this? Why are we not holding our politicans accountable for their behavior?...their lack of moral conduct is killing the human spirit and destroying life. Think on this when we give them a pass to do whatever they want...with out responsibilty.
Posted by: SIBERWOMAN | Apr 19, 2009 12:47:15 PM
If your going to prosecute those doing what they were told to do and the policy makers you will have to go all the way up the ladder. Obama is right not to live in the past and to learn from it. Thats called intelligence. If he prosecuted it would cause devision more than we have. The important thing is he as now changed policy and banned torture in any form. His administration wants to look forward and start fresh and that is a good thing.
Posted by: CAW | Apr 19, 2009 12:48:39 PM
Sorry President Obama, but your shielding of Bush officials from prosecution is itself a criminal abuse of power. You have proven that there will be no accountability, ever. Contemptible.
Posted by: cameotoo | Apr 19, 2009 12:48:40 PM
OBAMA AND BUSH ARE ON THE SAME TEAM. THE LEFT/RIGHT THING IS A FARCE TO GET YOUR MIND OFF WHAT'S REALLY HAPPENING. ONCE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT...THE ONE WORLD NEW ORDER GLOBAL ELITISTS RUNNING THINGS...TRUTH...ALL THE PIECES FALL INTO PLACE. YOU WON'T FIND THE TRUTH ON ABC, CNN, FOX, ANY OF THEM. YOU WILL FIND THE TRUTH BY READING A LOT AND GETTING OFF THE MAINSTREAM ROAD. IT'S AN INFORMATION WAR. check out infowars or prison planet . com
Posted by: beth | Apr 19, 2009 1:01:27 PM
If we don't prosecute we teach our children that some crimes don't carry punishment and that the upper class doesn't have to even worry about prosecution any more. We are setting ourselves up for more of the same in the future. The words ethics and principles are supposed to have meaning.
Posted by: jan | Apr 19, 2009 1:09:15 PM
The headline should read: Obama Administration asserts that some people are above the law. Apparently we do not live in a democracy. This is utterly foul. The only excuse for this is political expediency. That's no excuse.
Posted by: Patriotic American | Apr 19, 2009 1:11:45 PM
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