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Health Reform Opponent's Finger Bitten Off

September 03, 2009 12:08 PM

There is no question that this summer’s health care reform events have been heated. But now, an event in California has even turned violent, as my colleague Teddy Davis explains below:

Davis ABC's Teddy Davis reports: An already ugly health-care debate got even uglier on Wednesday evening when a 65-year old opponent of Democratic reform proposals had his finger bitten off at a vigil organized by MoveOn.org in Thousand Oaks, Calif.

"My understanding is that it was a supporter of health care reform who got into a confrontation with a non-supporter and the non-supporter got his finger bit off," Capt. Bruce Norris of the Ventura County Sheriff's Department told ABC News. "My understanding is that the event was organized by MoveOn.org."

"There was some kind of physical altercation because they had opposing views, I believe, on this subject of health care," Norris added. "I don't know why his finger ended up in his mouth but it was based on some kind of confrontation between the two."

ABC News has learned that the 65-year old who had his pinky bit off is William Rice. The Ventura County Sheriff's Department does not know at this time whether or not he was a local resident.

He was taken to nearby Los Robles Hospital for treatment.

The Ventura County Sheriff's Department does not have a suspect at this time and does not know whether or not the suspect was a member of MoveOn.org.

"It's considered a mayhem which is the removal of an appendage from a human," said Norris of the Ventura County Sheriff's Department. "The crime is punishable by imprisonment for 2, 4, or 8 years."

A spokesperson for MoveOn.org, a liberal advocacy group which has organized 355 "We Can't Afford to Wait" vigils around the country, expressed concern about the events that transpired in Thousand Oaks, a community which is located 25 miles from downtown Los Angeles.

"I'm trying to get details," said Ilyse Hogue, MoveOn.org's director of political advocacy and communications. "You know us: we don't condone violence of any kind."

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MoveOn.org demonstrators, had aggressively threatened a small group of anti-Obama protesters who were "peaceful people holding up candles and signs." (Police reports concur that the Obama supporter moved across the street into the group of protesters.) He landed a heavy blow to the face of one protester, who responded by chomping off his pinky.

Posted by: Lizzie | Sep 3, 2009 12:49:43 PM

Yeah I bet he had good insurence though.

Posted by: jenny | Sep 3, 2009 12:57:08 PM

On the bright side he's old enough to be on medicare

Posted by: Nic | Sep 3, 2009 1:10:53 PM

I know violence is wrong, but this is just the funniest thing I've read all day.

Posted by: Jules | Sep 3, 2009 1:11:27 PM

At 65, the guy had Medicare, the broke govt option for seniors. What kind of person attacks a 65 yr old man? Does the attacker understand the "free" insurance isn't free, that the IRS will fine him if he doesn't buy insurance coverage. I doubt it.

Posted by: pam | Sep 3, 2009 1:11:41 PM

The Obama Brigades strike again... "Do what WE say, or we take our pound of flesh, in this case LITERALLY!!!

Posted by: jafo | Sep 3, 2009 1:15:34 PM

He was probably on the death panel anyways.

Posted by: Poncho | Sep 3, 2009 1:15:57 PM

The best part of the story?
The old dude that has his pinky bit off had it reattached and we paid for it.
Yep, he's on Medicare.
Anti-gov't health care gray hairs on Medicare just kill me.

Posted by: Jules | Sep 3, 2009 1:17:15 PM

" What kind of person attacks a 65 yr old man? "

Ummmm, probably the kind that does not like it when the 65 year old dude punches them in the face.

You know there is bad behavior on both sides now.
A pro-health reform guy who was over 65, was attacked by an anti-reform guy (in his 50s) who drove his truck up to the group of pro-reform folks, got out, started yelling and when the 65 year old called him a name the 50ish anti guy attacked the 65 year old pro-reform guy.
People are nuts....at least none of these folks were packing heat....yet.

Everyone needs to just chill out and stop being so nutso with the "I want my country baaaccckkkk" stuff.

Posted by: Jules | Sep 3, 2009 1:23:07 PM

The victim bled red, the Move-on guy would have bled blue!!

Posted by: TheLoyalOpposition | Sep 3, 2009 1:26:05 PM

I live in a small town in Indiana. It is almost comical what Obama supporters will do!!! --- At our town meeting, there were a several "residents” at the meeting that piled into two cars with ILLINOIS license plates. I noticed this because one member of the group actually confronted me to ask us why I didn’t like President Obama. He admitted he was from Chicago, professing that in Chicago they have more “control over corruption” than we have here in Indiana! Tooo funny!!!!

Posted by: TheLoyalOpposition | Sep 3, 2009 1:30:21 PM

I totally agree. Lots of nuts out there on both sides.

Posted by: pam | Sep 3, 2009 1:30:32 PM

He was lucky it was just a finger.

Posted by: JULIE | Sep 3, 2009 1:33:53 PM

"The Ventura County Sheriff's Department does not have a suspect at this time and does not know whether or not the suspect was a member of MoveOn.org."

Find who did it and lock them up (they MUST have a lot of witnesses - this was at a vigil and I doubt the guy waded in alone). And I'll try not to be cynical about this being just another Ashley Todd - losing a pinky is pretty serious.

Posted by: jhw539 | Sep 3, 2009 1:35:23 PM

"I'm trying to get details," said Ilyse Hogue, MoveOn.org's director of political advocacy and communications. "You know us: we don't condone violence of any kind." S/he forgot to add "unless it's against conservatives."

Posted by: Dick Younger | Sep 3, 2009 1:38:01 PM

Those nutty right wingers - or was the biter for Obama

Posted by: jamescbuilder | Sep 3, 2009 1:55:13 PM

Crazy right fingers

Posted by: Rick | Sep 3, 2009 2:13:40 PM

MoveOn, has taken many positions I cannot support, and it is unfortunate that the liberals cannot discuss issues without violence.

What truly amazes me, is that people actually think if the government pays for it, that it doesn't cost them anything.

In actuality, it costs as much as it did before......plus......all the waste and fraud associated with government programs.

There are no free rides. If someone gets something for free, someone else has to pay for it. That usually means the middle class pays for the poor...always.

Posted by: Rick McDaniel | Sep 3, 2009 2:16:54 PM

According to one account, a man was wading through the counter-protest to get to the MoveOn side, when the 65 year old confronted and hit him. In response, the man who was hit, identified by one witness as "pro-reform," bit off the other man's finger. Neither person was identified.

According to KTLA-TV, the elderly man took his detached finger to a local hospital for medical attention.

1. the elderly (young enough to start a fight) punched first.
2. the government plan (medicare) worked very well for the opponent of reform.

funny, ironic, or shamefull

Posted by: watching | Sep 3, 2009 2:30:09 PM

Obamabots? LOL.

Personally, the old guy deserved it. I need insurance, and I can't afford it, I pay taxes though and yea, that old guy got his finger back thanks to you and me, so how about I can get my finger back too if some anti-healthcare nut bites my finger off.

Posted by: Joffie | Sep 3, 2009 2:41:21 PM

One of those Right Wing Nuts hits me, they are going to lose more then a pinky. The man that took the pinky was older PLUS he was hit first. He will not be arrested for defending himself. Righties need to find something else to whine about and be very careful just who they try to push around.

Posted by: Clint | Sep 3, 2009 2:44:40 PM

Politics in this country is merely one indication of how morally bankrupt American society has become.

The U.S. is more religious than other industrialized nations and has much lower levels of social justice or even the rule of law.

Maybe the U.S. would have fewer problems if it had fewer holier-than-thou, self-rigtheous, religious nuts in this country. Amazing how the religious political party in this country is even more morally bankrupt than the party in power.

Posted by: Sammy | Sep 3, 2009 2:49:57 PM

Apparently these fellas failed to agree to disagree with civility.

Haven't had this much fun since the Vietnam War protests!!!

Posted by: Mesmerized | Sep 3, 2009 3:10:35 PM

Maybe the 65 year old has learned not to be putting his fingers in strangers mouths.

Posted by: JR | Sep 3, 2009 3:11:52 PM

If you want to keep your fingers, keep your hands to yourself!

Posted by: Irene | Sep 3, 2009 3:14:49 PM

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