Want To Buy A Kidney?

There is no morality more corrupt, backwards, and destructive to humanity than altruism.

I like to think that I'm a pretty giving person. My blood is to thick to donate so I give my plasma and platelets every month(alternating). I'm a registrated organ donar. I've given marrow twice. But even I realize genorosity will go only so far. Selling your organs is in no way physically diffrent than donating it; you're just getting compensated for saving a life. I see nothing wrong with that.

SELLING KIDNEYS ORO ANY BODY PART SHOULD BE BANNED AS ILLEGAL ACTION!

My friend, selling Kidenys will only create a world filled with people who are not capable of moving or enduring pain and stress to create their own destiny!Selling Kidneys is not a Christlike selfless act but a desperate act to stay alive living in mediocrity that the dictators create spending billions of dolloars in hollywood financing films against me and spending billions of dollars for making atomic weaponry while their own people are dying of hunger having to sell Kidney! That is why my Leadership Excellence Program enforced by United Nations will disqualify the incompetent dictators like Ahamadinejad and that is why I am censored and hundreds of young people are being encouraged to martyr themselves so that the dictator could live on behind their dead bodies on the stick for I can talk & they cannot!That is why they kill the living and worship the dead historically not to loose the toxic control of the bully dictator who must be the one stealing lifework of others to make the dead wrong decisions by himself bringing cenosrship from the East blocking democracy in and from the West!

"Organ donation is purely an issue of altruism," he said, and if people sold an organ, “they miss the pleasure, or the gratification of having made this decision purely out of altruism …"

Liberals' disdain for certain motivations harms us all. They disdain "greed," making us all poorer (and sometimes dead, e.g. for lack of kidneys or starving to death in North Korea). They disdain competitiveness. I recall how they no longer had grades when I got to graduate school. I never forgave them for that: I loved stomping everyone else into the ground academically. The result was not only my anger, but also that I worked less hard as a graduate student.

Most people haven't figured it out, but one of the underlying causes of liberalism is guilt. Liberals only approve of motivations that assuage their guilt, like altruism. But the effect of banning certain motivations is merely to... reduce motivation. Which makes us all worse off.

And if we start selling organs, who do you think will get to buy them and live and who do you think won't have enough money to buy them and die?

Unless you have received an organ out of donation will any of you understand what it is like to read these stories...

It's embarrassing and shameful that this sort of activity does go on here in our own country, and the Jewish people whom are amongst the lowest in the percentage of organ donors based on ethnicity yet, are amongst the highest in receiving organs...

This is what most people really are unaware of which doesn't surprise me because, they sure know how to manipulate the ten commandments to work in their favor when they need to.

Don't get me wrong because I'm no saint but, at least I admit to my shortcomings as opposed to manipulating their beliefs so that it justifies their actions hwich in itself is another form of denial.

get a grip I will do it in a heart beat, I am college educated in biology and biomededical technology. there is nothing wrong with being compensated to helping out a stranger. any one ever heard of a good samaririan holla back if you need one

Is this a new plank for the libertarian party because I don't really see even the republicans doing this.

In fact, you usually only see people living in third world countries desperate enough to start selling their body parts.

You know, if you really wanted to do something to help someone live you could donate a kidney or get your bone marrow tested (a lot of people die from bone marrow related diseases as well and you don't have to actually lose any body parts when you donate) as a potential donor and save someone's life for free. Its not like anything's stopping you.

Free. That's a four letter word, isn't it...

"who do you think will get to buy them and live and who do you think won't have enough money to buy them and die?" - Jan

I expect you want us to say that those with insurance or the money to pay will get the organs, those without will miss out. But that is only first level thinking.

Charity exists today, why wouldnt it exist in the future too? Why wouldnt there be a Donate an Organ charity? There obviously would be if one was allowed to form.

But that isnt even the big issue. What you are implying, Jan, is that because poor people MIGHT not get organ transplants, that the current shortage is preferable.

This is a callous position to hold. You seem to prefer that more people die so that things can be more "fair" as you define it. Do you really not mind if people die, if those people are not poor?

The cost of an organ transplant at the moment is both zero and infinite. The price is zero for suppliers so they dont supply, and the price is infinite for buyers because they cannot buy.

Don't see how an organ free market solves anything unless your problem is rich people having to wait like everyone else for a donor.

There is only one way for the price of organs to come down from infinite, and that is for it to rise above zero.

Jan and others, you dont know how much a kidney would sell for in a market. You assume it will be expensive simply because the current prices are expensive. But without the market you have no idea how many sellers there will be.

It could be that a kidney in the future is available for all but the most impoversihed person.

The anti-free-market "liberals" (heh...) miss one IMPORTANT point: If a person can sell a kidney, then MANY more kidneys will become available, and many more lives can be saved. Why is THAT so terrible? Are you afraid of the free market?

Strange but fascinating illogic.

The donor is the only party in the entire transaction who doesn't get compensated in this transaction. Using Pereira's logic, the entire field of medicine should be an altruistic endeavor.

I will never sign an organ donor card until the donors are allowed to receive compensation.

Heck, I also quit giving blood when they did away with the banking system.

Another point that the anti-free market liberals miss is that poor people can't afford them now! They would, however, be able to sell their organs, and possibly not be poor any more!

Max said, "Don't see how an organ free market solves anything unless your problem is rich people having to wait like everyone else for a donor."

Why do you think that's true? Because they say so?

More organs means more surgery. More surgery means increased efficiency. Increased efficiency means lower costs. Lower costs means wider availability.

How's your system working out?

Hey, lets take a leaf out of the Lefts book and address the issue the way they always do:

People, like Jan and Max, who are against organ markets like it when people die because they couldnt get the organ transplant they needed.

They are selfish because they prefer that other people die so that their sense of right and wrong can be preserved. They cant be bothered thinking about the issue beyond what "feels" right to them.

Their apathy and willful ignorance is fatal to sick people.

i think my only fear with a free market in donated organs is that unscrupulous characters would harvest organs from the unwilling, then sell them as if they were legitimate. i suppose there's nothing to stop that from happening now, but the market is smaller.

with that said, i'd probably still be for the legalization of someone selling their organs and someone else purchasing them. but then, i'm a libertarian.

it's basically been said already, but for those who don't see how this would benefit anyone but the rich, this is how it will (likely) work:

let's say there are 50,000 people who need a kidney, each of which paying (or having someone else pay for them; apparently, according to the national kidney foundation, the federal g'ment pays 80% of dialysis costs) $50k/yr for dialysis, which i think is below average.

now assume kidneys can be sold. i think the price in the nj situation was somewhere around $150k or so, so we'll start there as a max. i don't know how long people are on dialysis, but that is three years worth of dialysis cost. but that is likely the high end of the cost of a kidney.

at $150k/kidney, lets assume that only the most wealthy 500 patients get them. now you have 500 less people waiting in line; everyone's bumped up. i don't know what the "donor's" cut will be, but it won't be insignificant. now we get another 3000 people willing to donate at that price, pushing the price down to, say, $130k. now we have 3500 people off the waiting list, which doesn't even count the people who got kidneys through donation.

so in time, the price will fall and we'll get people off the waiting list and back into a normal life away from the dialysis machines and certain death. i don't know how many new people need kidneys each year, but it won't take long before the only demand is from people new to the list. the price will fall accordingly.

and like someone else already said, charity will exist then to help people pay for it. not only that, but the government could even pay for a significant chunk for the first little bit (not that i'm for that); since it already pays for such a large part of the dialysis costs, it would save taxpayer money.

so tell me how you honestly think that in the anything but the immediate term, only the rich would get kidneys.