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Blogging the West Virginia primary by The Note's Rick Klein

May 13, 2008 5:49 PM

9:29 pm ET: This is a slow-counting state -- so we'll see the numbers trickle in overnight. But this is everything she could have hoped this night would be.

That's it for tonight -- check back tomorrow, as always, for the latest in politics in The Note.

And I'll be guest-blogging through the rest of this week for Jake Tapper at "Political Punch" -- so stay tuned.

9:25 pm ET: Does it change any games? Well -- no. But the game is still being played -- which is really what Sen. Clinton can count on as a victory under the circumstances.

9:20 pm ET: This does not sound like a candidate who's looking at exit strategies -- it's a candidate who is still plotting a path to victory. Not surprising on one level. This struck me as a good, solid Clinton tone -- talking about her rationale, while not tearing Obama down.

This is her ticket to staying in the race as long as she wants -- or at least another three weeks.

9:17 pm ET: Here's a potentially stronger message to supers: "The question is, why do so many Democrats keep voting?"

9:15 pm ET: (Just noticed that the Clinton campaign has prominently placed one of the very few black West Virginians to support Hillary conveniently off Clinton's left shoulder, in camera range.)

9:14 pm ET: Your message to supers: "The White House is won in the swing states -- and I am winning the swing states."

9:11 pm ET: Now she's using 2,209 as the magic number in a victory speech! Rather remarkable -- and suggests that she's not just biding her time until she drops out.

9:09 pm ET: Took about two minutes to get to the Website shout-out. Money remains the single biggest reason that Hillary Clinton might get out of the race before June 3.

9:07 pm ET: Clinton's first words: "Like the song says, it's almost heaven."

"We know from the Bible that faith can move mountains." Yes -- but can it move superdelegates?

8:59 pm ET: Clinton's speech is -- finally -- imminent. They are milking this moment, as is their right.

8:27 pm ET: Every word from Sen. Clinton will matter here -- the way to push herself out of this race is to upset the supers. There are elements in her campaign that want her to get more aggressive, like she was a month or two ago -- but that may not be the right play any longer.

8:21 pm ET: From ABC's David Wright, traveling with the Obama campaign: Obama called Clinton to congratulate her from his campaign plane: "He didn't reach her. Left a message, we're told."

Think they have each other's direct-dial cell phone numbers? Do they text each other? "UR G8 IN WV HIL - BO."

8:16 pm ET: From ABC's Eloise Harper, who's with the Clinton campaign in Charleston tonight: "The crowd is chanting 'Its not over, Its not over!!' at the Charleston, WV Election night party. There are about 200 people here waiting for Clinton to speak. Loud cheers in the room when the TV screen announced Clinton the winner."

Her speech should start soon.

8:03 pm ET: A lot of folks chatting in the comments secion about racist voters -- surely there's some of that going on, like in those who say race is a major factor and they couldn't see themselves voting for Obama. But I'm not willing to accept that those voters are a large enough cohort to win this state for Clinton, certainly not to give her a landslide.

We have seen in state after state Obama's inability to connect with working-class Democrats who happen to be white -- that seems to be more of what's going on. West Virginia is a poor, heavily unionized state -- and remember that Al Gore and John Kerry failed to connect in the general election in the state. Nobody called that racist.

7:55 pm ET: Jason -- you make good points about what Obama can/should do next. This does transfer a piece of the psychological burden from Clinton to Obama -- the pressure shifts to him to answer this, in a broad sense. If he doesn't keep the super train running, the question will quickly become, why? That said, Clinton still has HUGELY more pressure to keep her momentum going, if this is still going to be a race.

7:48 pm ET: I'm flipping between the cable channels tonight and just struck by the tone of the coverage -- it tells you again that nothing creates the perception of momentum like a victory. One week ago, commentators all said it was over. Now, we're back to superdelegates and demographic challenges. What's changed, precisely?

7:37 pm ET: A thought on what Clinton could use right now: A handful of superdelegate endorsements to roll out -- to show, not say, that people are having second thoughts about Obama. She wouldn't need that many -- maybe three or four, with nice statements saying, we need the strongest Democrat possible to take on John McCain.

Without that, the argument remains, for now, just words.

7:32 pm ET: There you have it -- it's going to be a big win for Clinton. "She almost certainly stays in 'til Kentucky and Oregon next Tuesday," ABC's George Stephanopoulos says. I'd argue that this could keep her in longer than that -- right through June 3.

7:30 pm ET: ABC PROJECTS WEST VIRGINIA FOR CLINTON, right at poll closing time, "by a large margin," per our decision desk.

6:59 pm ET: One number to keep in the back of the mind tonight: 104,000. That's the popular-vote differential by which Obama is ahead of Clinton (including the disputed votes in Florida and Michigan). If West Virginia votes at similar rates to other states, we can expect about 270,000 ballots today. To get close to a 100,000-vote win, Clinton would have to win by better than 2-1 -- certainly possible. And if she comes close, that leaves her in striking distance for next week's contests, in Oregon (where Obama is favored), and Kentucky (where Clinton should win).

As we've said before in this space, counting Florida and Michigan (particularly Michigan) is problematic at best. But if Clinton has an argument left, if she's able to say, "more Democrats have voted for me," that's not nothing.

6:20 pm ET: Obama is facing a perfect (or perfectly terrible) demographic storm in West Virginia. A good measure of racially motivated voting, and then add this from the preliminary exit polls, per ABC's Gary Langer: "About half of voters said that at least to some extent he shares the views of his controversial former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright; fewer though, two in 10, thought he shares 'a lot' of views with Wright. About half also doubted Obama's honesty and trustworthiness, turning the tables on an attribute on which Clinton more often has come up short."

Will the Obama campaign be addressing this -- at all -- tonight? Probably not. But surely they know they have real problems, not just in West Virginia, either.6:16 pm ET: A rather prominent flag pin is on Obama's lapel, for the second straight day. Here's guessing he won't lose it until after the general election.

5:56 pm ET: Obama is spending primary night in Missouri. In the prepared text of his speech, set to begin shortly, the word "McCain" appears five times. The word "Clinton" is somehow absent.

5:52 pm ET: An interesting note, from ABC's Teddy Davis: "Early voting in West Virginia was three times higher than the last Democratic presidential primary. Today's voting, by contrast, was normal/average in most counties -- a possible sign that the coverage of the last week, which portrayed Obama as a lock on the nomination, dampened enthusiasm from the incredibly high level at which it was operating."

That would make a big Clinton win even more remarkable, no?

5:49 pm ET: Some early spin from the Obama campaign, on what could be an early night: "There is no question that Senator Clinton is going to win by huge margins in the upcoming primaries in West Virginia today and Kentucky next weeks. She has poured resources into both states and she, former President Clinton, and Chelsea Clinton have all campaigned extraordinarily hard there.

"The Clinton campaign has already been touting their margins in these states – In fact, Bill Clinton said that Hillary can win West Virginia with 80 percent—and the West Virginia Senate Majority Leader said Clinton needs to win by '80-20 or 90-10.'  And in keeping large margins in perspective, it is worth noting that, while Senator Clinton will win big in West Virginia, Barack Obama won neighboring Virginia by 29 points.

"But with 49 contests behind us and only six to go -- including several states where we expect to do well -- Barack Obama leads in pledged delegates, contests won, and superdelegates. And for perspective, while 28 pledged delegates are up for grabs this evening, Obama has won the support of 27 superdelegates in the course of just the last week putting him less than 150 total delegates away from clinching the Democratic nomination."

My take -- aside from the fact that Clinton doesn't have to win by anywhere near those margins for this to be a good night for her -- that's all well and good, but none of this answers the demographic challenges that are showing themselves, again, in West Virginia. This may be as hostile an electorate as Obama will face, certainly this late in the primary season. But what makes this (expected) loss different from all others is that this is the first contest since the media has (and that's for a separate debate) delcared this race to be over. Someone forgot to tell Democratic voters in a swing state.

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Rick Klein here from ABC's The Note. I'll be live-blogging tonight, with the latest from the exit polls, vote returns, and from our reporters in the field during the West Virginia primary.

A few thoughts -- first, as you know from reading the coverage coming into the day, this isn't about who wins, but about by how much. We can debate the margin Sen. Clinton needs to "win" by, but the very fact that she's going to win -- and probably win big -- says something important about the holes that remain in Sen. Obama's coalition. Tonight is unlikely to change the outcome of the nomination fight, but it's rather remarkable that Sen. Clinton is set to win big in a swing state despite the fact that most of the big-time media talking heads have spent the last six days declaring the race over.

Second -- an argument being advanced by the Clinton campaign regarding the importance of West Virginia. From a memo sent by the Clinton campaign today: "no Democrat has won the White House without winning West Virginia since 1916." Leaving aside the question of whether winning the primary has any relation to how you do in the general -- John Kerry did just fine in the 2004 West Virginia primary, but these weren't his peeps in the general -- this strikes me as a dangerous sort of comparison for Clinton to make.

The same comparison -- Democrats not winning without the states since 1916 -- could be said for Minnesota and Missouri as well. Your winner in both of those states? Obama.

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rick, ah yes, but WV is very very different from Minnesota and Missouri, and Hillary only lost Missouri by a small margin. In the GE, Hillary will likely take Minn and MIssouri, however, Obama will NOT win WV or Kentucky. How big is that? that is HUGE. If you don't think so, let's see what you say if Obama loses the GE by 12 electoral votes. i bet he woudl thinkk WV and Kentucky are important then. Hillary will win Obama's states; Obama can NOT win Hillary's states. Plain and simple math. How bad do the Dems want the whitehouse?

Posted by: doublestandard | May 13, 2008 4:30:08 PM

The argument is full of crap. If a primary was held where there was a huge percentage of Blacks, Students, Independents, and higher income democrates then Obama would win by the same margin. The fact is they will not both be running in the general election thus to lose a primary does not mean you will lose in the general. Ask Bill Clinton!!!

Posted by: jim | May 13, 2008 4:32:53 PM

I am truly amazed by the small-mindedness of Americans and especially Democrats. Do you really think Clinton doesn't have a game plan here? Do you think she's just spending money on furthering this out of pride??
Of course not. The Clintons are politically very smart people. Hillary is hoping to squeeze out a popular vote lead against Obama. Sure, she'll try to consider MI in that, but if she manages to come close or virtually tie, let alone lead, Obama after factoring in all states but MI, she has a very good case.
Pundits and politicans are fickle. What could people say if the person who won the popular vote (even after subtracting MI) lost the nomination? There would simply be outrage, and dems would have hypocrisy on their hands.

This should be intersting. We'll see if she can catch up in popular votes.

Posted by: JA | May 13, 2008 4:39:54 PM

I was born and raised in Missouri and I can tell you a lot of Obama voters are very sorry they did not know everything that came out about Obama after that primary. Buyers remorse voters will put Missouri in the Republican Red column in November

Posted by: carlanbl | May 13, 2008 4:41:55 PM

If you really want an accurate estimate of the Obama McCain match-upin November, then you must poll the Obama win states now and check out the buyers remorse factor. Voters feel they were lied to by omission. Clinton just may have a chance to save those states for the blue column. But Obama will not get the sAME MARGIN NOW

Posted by: carlanbl | May 13, 2008 4:48:04 PM

ja - u are correct - i almost feel likethe pundits and the DNC are trying to push Obama down our throats... it should be interesting if she has the popular vote with and without MI

and what happens to all the pundits who hate the clintons but won't admit that the DNC's nominating process has most likely picked the weaker candidate... i do not think it is lost on the DNC that - if they used the repubican method - Hillary would have been the nominee a long time ago

Posted by: sokadija | May 13, 2008 4:48:13 PM

I beg the differ - I born and raised in Missouri and Obama is the choice. There is high energy for the democratic party across both lines.

Posted by: DWall | May 13, 2008 4:52:44 PM

I beg the differ - I was born and raised in Missouri and Obama is the choice. There is high energy for the democratic party across both lines.

Posted by: DWall | May 13, 2008 4:54:29 PM

The fact that the media continues to downplay every Clinton victory is very telling. When Obama wins there are banner headlines but when Clinton wins it's "so what."

Posted by: druggstohr | May 13, 2008 4:56:07 PM

PRESIDENT HILLARY CLINTON... HERE WE GO

http://www.neptunecafe.com/Hillary.html

Posted by: joll0586 | May 13, 2008 5:02:03 PM

Last time I checked Missouri was and is a Republican state. And the Blacks Obama needs to win in Missouri are not the majority

Posted by: carlanbl | May 13, 2008 5:03:19 PM

Hillary should win-its her demographic area-Older traditonal people. If she didn't have a landslide then I would quetion why not?

Obama is the candidate with realness-He doesn't sell his soul to politics-
GO OBAMA!

Posted by: Sophia Beck | May 13, 2008 5:05:32 PM

Hillary should win-its her demographic area-Older traditonal people. If she didn't have a landslide then I would quetion why not?

Obama is the candidate with realness-He doesn't sell his soul to politics-
GO OBAMA!

Posted by: Sophia Beck | May 13, 2008 5:05:38 PM

We need to stand up to the DNC I for one stopped sending them money... if they want to go that far left that is their problem... and its a big one... Hillary will remain dignified through the whole process and Obama and his amateur staff get all the praise for no good reason!

Posted by: NCDem | May 13, 2008 5:07:54 PM

Sophia

oh yes he did he sold his soul to poltics and rev write and the Chicago Machine and a little more than half of true democrats refuse to put up with it period!

Posted by: NCDem | May 13, 2008 5:09:29 PM

He threw his mother under the political bus. We all remember ( I could no sooner dis own Rev Wright than I could disown my White mother) HA HA HA He sold his white relatives to the devil for his political needs

Posted by: carlanbl | May 13, 2008 5:09:42 PM

Clinton supporters have to show the SD's that she is capable of raising the money for the GE in order to get them back. We need to help her retire the $20 million debt she now has and start raising GE money now. Just a few dollars at a time.

Posted by: Ron | May 13, 2008 5:10:36 PM

Neil


you are right!

Posted by: NCDem | May 13, 2008 5:10:36 PM

Carlanbl

true poliltical observers that actually know how the constitution and know political science now that that is true and much more... he is politically expedient while at the same time blaming Den CLinton for the same thing.. which is a farce... I wish people had stood up to this sooner!

Posted by: NCDem | May 13, 2008 5:13:16 PM

Ron

we will not go on to the GE till the primary process is over with Hillary will do as she wishes until then and you may not get money or support from CLinton people anyway ... the way the campaign has been run by Obamabots!

Posted by: NCDem | May 13, 2008 5:15:24 PM

Rick Klein: why don't you spare us your comments? We KNOW you are in love with OBAMA! No go read this article to find out WHY Obama will NEVER win in the GE!!

http://www.savagepolitics.com/?p=387

If you don't have time to read the whole commentary, just skip to the final paragraph:

"This season’s discussion will not be about whether racism is “right” or “wrong”, since this should be quite easy to determine, but about REALITY. It is simply naive to believe that a few Liberals will be able to change World History in a single sweep, all with the single candidacy of an unknown political candidate who so happens to be a minority. This simple reality will hand them their defeat in November, and in the process will drive a bigger racial wedge into this Nation, all of it to make these individuals feel ‘good about themselves’ and their efforts to give the Presidency to ANY non-White candidate that the Democratic Party threw their way"

So let's GET REAL!

Posted by: DMK | May 13, 2008 5:15:54 PM

Neil1785

I did the same thin in the last 24 hrs and sent out a fundraisign letter to friends... she has won the states in the electoral college that will win in Nov ... the DNC is just way too far left to even care I think

Posted by: NCDem | May 13, 2008 5:16:51 PM

If Obama was a done deal all of the superdelegates would have pledged. The fact they haven't is the most telling sign. Once Hillary has the popular vote then what? Obama Pelosi Kennedy and the rest of the gang always said you can't over turn the will of the people. Is that delegate count or voters? If they want to go with states won and delegate count then the super delegates should have to pledge to their state winner. That should go over well with Kennedy Kerry and Richardson and Pelosi too.

Posted by: maryintampa | May 13, 2008 5:17:39 PM

Obama won in Minnesota in part because it was a caucus state, and he has done well in caucuses. He has done less well in primaries and eked out a one point victory in Missouri, thanks to the fact that while blacks there voted in a bloc, whites did not.
Had the DNC not 'punished' Michigan and Florida, Clinton would have won both handily (check the polls going into the primaries there and remember Clinton wins big state primaries, Obama wins small state and black-majority state primaries), giving her four victories in January to Obama's two. With her Super Tuesday victories, she would have been well ahead.
Flip the order of the states -- put the Appalachian primaries (W. Va. and Ky.) where the Potomoc primaries were scheduled, and Clinton would be well ahead at this point.
It is almost tempting to see something like stacking the electoral deck by the DNC to assure a 'black' candidate. . . . but Dean and the DNC would never do anything like that, would they? Nor disqualify two major states out of spite?

Posted by: Jim | May 13, 2008 5:21:54 PM

Maryintampa

the thing is Pelosi,Dean et all know that full well but dotn want to alienate this "vast new electorate" that BO has... I think its a myth like the vast right wing conspiracy! I am a moderate Dem and it is true that Bill Clinton had an even tougher road than Hillary and he didnt have the nomination till June 2nd

Posted by: NCDem | May 13, 2008 5:22:25 PM

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