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Live Blogging the Final Primaries by The Note's Rick Klein

June 03, 2008 8:42 PM

11:03 pm ET: That's it for tonight -- get the full wrap and analysis, as always, in The Note tomorrow morning.

10:53 pm ET: A new crush of superdelegates, 17 new ones, just rolled in for Obama. This is over, whether Sen. Clinton wants to recognize tonight or not.

How does she play these next hours and days? Indeed, what does she want? (And how long with the party really truly care?)

10:36 pm ET: "America, this is our moment," Obama says. Impossible to watch this and not realize how different these two candidates are.... What a race it will be this fall.

10:25 pm ET: Strategically placed signage in St. Paul, per ABC's Sunlen Miller: "Vets for Obama." "Unify the party." "Women for Obama." Also some American flags. And they paid attention to placement -- far more in camera view than elsewhere.

Also -- 17,000 people inside the Xcel Center. Another 15,000 outside. Sunlen Miller says maybe a quarter of the crowd has been on its feet all through the speech.

10:23 pm ET: Obama appears to be soaking himself in the history here -- but not long enough to avoid the task at hand. It's remarkable when you think about how little breathing time he has now.

9:51 pm ET: A shout-out for the Website? Is this a draft for vice president she's stirring? Wow. Wow.

9:48 pm ET: Still waiting on the grace notes -- surely there's more than saying, "Tonight, I would like all of us to recognize him and his supporters for all they have accomplished."

"I will be making no decisions tonight."

Oh my. Will it ever end?

Stunning.

9:43 pm ET: "What does she want?" Clinton asks. Hmmm -- that is the question. She wants her supporters "to be respected, to be heard, and no longer to be invisible." This is where she might want to be careful, no? Does she want to stoke perceptions among these voters that that are being disrespected, ignored, and not seen?

9:39 pm ET: The whole Clinton family out again tonight. It seems like, early in the speech, that Clinton is cherishing the moment -- wistful, and spinning through the history of her own campaign. "I am so proud we stayed the course together," she said.

But no recognition yet that she hasn't won.

9:06 pm ET: McCain raps the era of the permanent campaign "of the last 16 years." That's Bush plus Clinton, if you're curious.

9:02 pm ET: We're seeing the McCain experience argument get some flesh: "One of us has a record of working to do that [bring change], and one of us doesn't. . . . He hasn't been willing to make the tough calls."

8:54 pm ET: ABC's Bret Hovell, with the McCain campaign in Louisiana, points out: "New slogan from the McCain campaign tonight: 'A leader we can believe in.' It's on the big sign behind McCain tonight."

We're also hearing McCain say repeatedly, "That's not change we believe in." Of course, taking Obama's line, turning it against him.

8:51 pm ET: "Americans should be concerned," McCain says. There's the crux of his argument. He needs to disquality Sen. Obama during this campaign. If he does, he wins. If he doesn't, he probably loses.

8:43 pm ET: From ABC's Kate Snow, some telling details from the Clinton campaign "celebration" in New York City: "It just hit me that something was very different about this room... other than the fact that we are 2 stories below ground in a cinderblock no-frills gym on Manhattan's lower east side.... THERE ARE NO TELEVISIONS. There have been large screen TV's at every one of Clinton's election night events. Her supporters watch the results come in, they cheer when they're shown on CNN. Tonight, no TV's, cell phones and blackberries don't work down here... no contact with the outside world.  People in here cannot see the ongoing countdown clocks on the cable channels.  They won't know when Obama has crossed the threshold."

8:38 pm ET: McCain starts with a swipe at the media -- this works on several levels. First, Republicans love to hear about media conspiracies. And second, many of Clinton's supporters (particularly women) think the media was in the tank for Obama. They could be in play this fall, and if they're watching McCain now, he just reached out to them.

7:52 pm ET: Drudge has the prepared text of Obama's speech up -- several sentences of "Hillary is great" talk -- but I wonder if this should be read as, "I see your future in the Senate" (probably not, but read away): "And you can rest assured that when we finally win the battle for universal health care in this country, she will be central to that victory. When we transform our energy policy and lift our children out of poverty, it will be because she worked to help make it happen. Our party and our country are better off because of her, and I am a better candidate for having had the honor to compete with Hillary Rodham Clinton."

And here's the third-Bush-term part: "Because while John McCain can legitimately tout moments of independence from his party in the past, such independence has not been the hallmark of his presidential campaign. It's not change when John McCain decided to stand with George Bush ninety-five percent of the time, as he did in the Senate last year."

6:55 pm ET: My colleague Teddy Davis has a write-up on what McCain is set to say tonight, in his big general-election kick-off speech, now scheduled for around 8:30 pm ET. Here's a sliver: "You will hear from my opponent’s campaign in every speech, every interview, every press release that I’m running for President Bush’s third term," McCain plans to say. "You will hear every policy of the President described as the Bush-McCain policy. Why does Senator Obama believe it’s so important to repeat that idea over and over again? Because he knows it’s very difficult to get Americans to believe something they know is false."

Well . . . maybe. But a smart Democratic source makes this point: "The mere fact that John McCain is kicking off his general election campaign trying to kick away George Bush means Obama won round one."

He has a point -- the McCain campaign has been claiming that this third-Bush-term label won't fly. But by taking it on directly tonight, it would appear that Team McCain is a smite more worried about its stickiness than they're letting on.

6:23 pm ET: If Sen. Clinton does want to be Sen. Obama's running mate, what do you think of the strategy (assuming it was one -- which the campaign says it wasn't) of letting people know she's consider it if she's offered it? It takes away a dose of attention from Obama on his big day -- and gets the veepstakes rumor mill churning with her as the center of it. It increases public pressure, but surely can't leave Obamaland with a better taste in their mouths about Sen. Clinton. Then again, maybe the play is based on a realization that Obama won't pick her unless he's forced to do so...

5:48 pm ET: Just to throw this out there -- what happens if we get another one of those famous split decisions tonight? Yes, the big story should be (and will be, by any measure) Obama's securing the nomination, not a loss in Montana or South Dakota. But another loss would seem to, again, point out the gaping holes in Obama's electoral coalition. As we've said, he's stumbling past the finish line here.

And, for those who are interested in an Obama-Clinton ticket, this winning streak amounts to the best argument she could put together.

5:42 pm ET: But this is all that matters, for tonight -- from ABC's decision desk: "Based on the preliminary exit polls and our reporting, ABC News projects that Barack Obama will have enough delegates to secure the Democratic nomination after the votes are counted tonight. "

Wow. Sit back and behold.

5:41 pm ET: Some details from the preliminary exit polls, from ABC polling director Gary Langer: "As in previous primaries, about a third of Hillary Clinton’s supporters say they wouldn’t support Barack Obama in the general election, underscoring his challenges in bringing the party together."

"Fifty-five percent in these preliminary results say that if Obama's the nominee they'd like him to pick Clinton as his running mate; precisely as many say if Clinton were to win, they'd want her to pick Obama."

Ready to dream, anyone?

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Rick Klein here, from ABC's The Note -- I'll be live-blogging all the action tonight, as returns come in from the final two states in this wild process -- and as the candidates take the stage in probably their most-watched speeches of the campaign. (If you guessed that Montana and South Dakota would end this thing, you win -- and you're also lying.)

The working assumptions at this hour:

1. Barack Obama will mathematically clinch the nomination tonight. As of 5:10 pm ET, he's 21 delegates away, by ABC's count -- and with him poised to win 15-18 delegates out of today's contests, he probably seven or eight superdelegate endorsements from being in the safe zone, where the last voting will surely put him over the top. Now, supers can always change their minds, right up to the convention, but this will be a major moment in the campaign that Obama will mark with a general-election kick-off-style speech where he will declare victory, in St. Paul, Minn. -- the same place where John McCain will accept the GOP nomination in three short months.

2. Hillary Clinton will not suspend/withdraw/drop out of the race tonight. She's been telling supporters privately today that she needs some time to reflect, and everyone associated with Clinton says she is not conceding anything this evening. Most intriguingly, she also told members of the New York congressional delegation that she'd be "open" to considering a spot on Obama's ticket, if he offers it. Her people say she's said this before, but the interpretation is everything, and the fact that she's engaging this question on this day is significant. I'm also hearing from Democrats that there will be a good measure of anti-Bush and anti-McCain red meat in her speech tonight -- maybe trying out for the No. 2 spot?

3. John McCain will seek to "frame" the race with a speech from Louisiana that accepts Obama's premise -- that he's essentially the nominee. Expect a lot of talk about McCain's government reform ideas (the New Orleans area is his backdrop), and an emphasis on his record of accomplishments, in contrast to Obama's perceived lack thereof.

All in all -- a busy night. Perceptions will be so important -- what they say and how they say it will matter. (And wouldn't it be awkward if Obama DOESN'T clinch tonight?) Probably the most-watched speech will be Clinton's -- will she call for party unity, even hint at endorsing Obama, or sound like she's soldiering on, the last lieutenant in a disbanded army?

What are you looking for tonight?

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UPDAT 5:20 PM Tuesday, June 3: 16.5 Delegates away
The following delegates pledged to former Senator John Edwards have committed to vote for Senator Obama at the Democratic National Convention. With today's announcement, every delegate pledged to Senator Edwards in Iowa (four delegates), New Hampshire (four delegates) and South Carolina (eight delegates) will be voting for Senator Obama at the National Convention. In addition, 10 of the 13 Edwards delegates from Florida will be voting for Senator Obama at the National Convention.


And California DNC member Kamil Hasan and DNC member Ben Johnson endorsed Barack Obama.

These latest announcements leave Barack Obama 16.5 delegates away from the nomination.

Posted by: bhrandon | Jun 3, 2008 5:33:00 PM

Does he have choose her as his running?Is this a Hillary or no-body choice?If he choose's her he will have to watch back every minute of every day.The "Clintons" don't like playing second fiddle to any-one.

Posted by: orange cat | Jun 3, 2008 5:35:48 PM

Hillary will make a good secrry of states.

Posted by: Jena | Jun 3, 2008 5:42:28 PM

NOT ONE SINGLE DELEGATE HAS CAST HIS/HER VOTE YET!

THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN AND THEIR CHOICE IS HILLARY CLINTON!

DELEGATES WILL FOLLOW THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE WHEN THEY WILL CAST THEIR VOTES AT THE CONVENTION!

PEOPLE AND NOT THE MEDIA VOTE!

Posted by: Average Joe | Jun 3, 2008 5:43:22 PM

It is time for her to consider "Just Going Away". Barrack needs to find someone that would be a great VP with "Foreign Policy" experience. I don't think Dogging Sniper Fire qualifies.

Plus.... NOthing would drive out the GOP base more than to defeat Hillary (and Bill).

Posted by: spoon2456 | Jun 3, 2008 5:44:31 PM

UPDATE 5:40 PM Tuesday, June 3: 12 Delegates Left To Endorse Obama
Congresswoman Maxine Waters (D-CA) endorsed Barack Obama for President. Waters switched her endorsement from Clinton to Obama.

Delaware Secretary of State Harriet Windsor, Delaware Democratic Chair John Daniello, and DNC Member Rhett Ruggerio announced today that they will vote for Barack Obama at the Democratic National Convention in Denver this summer.

Posted by: bhrandon | Jun 3, 2008 5:46:19 PM

average joe you can keep saying that, but it simply isnt true, can they change their mind at the convention yes... will they

not unless obama is struck by lightning

Posted by: bhrandon | Jun 3, 2008 5:47:11 PM

Hey average Joe.....your not even that !

America Is Ready
Obama 08

Posted by: David T. | Jun 3, 2008 5:51:25 PM

Over 800 votes are up for grabs in Denver, no matter what has been said in public. These votes are free to go to the strongest candidate until they get to the ballot box.

Obama does not have enough pledged delegates to win, nor will he after tonight, which is all that matters Rick.

Posted by: s.b. | Jun 3, 2008 5:54:39 PM

I have read that Obama was supposed to easily carry both states. But earlier today, polling was indicating Clinton would win ... SD, I think, but I don't recall. I tried to check the validity of this organization (ARG), but couldn't, really, in the time I had.

So if he loses, where he was supposed to win big, you'd think that would count for something with delegates. It seems they'd rather be part of history today, and ignore the fact that Obama could well lose come November...

Posted by: beth | Jun 3, 2008 5:56:31 PM

It's kind of sad that those supporting the "people's voice" overlook the fact that Obama has the majority of people's votes. Only Clinton and her supporters have a different, incorrect, idea.

The media didn't vote--Obama has won the popular vote, the delegate vote, the superdelegate vote...

The only thing Clinton Supporters want to hear is that the whole country will suspend the rules for Hillary Clinton, and allow her to be the nominee because she worked so hard. Well, everyone who comes in second worked hard.

I also don't think Obama should bend to any pressure to put a bitter, angry couple on his ticket---that would undermine all he has campaigned for. It would not bring party unity, it would fester a sore all the way to November and the party would never be united.

Clinton herself is to blame for the lack of unity in the party right now--- she has consistently torn down any respect for Obama (whereas, Obama has NOT done that to her). Her supporters so rabidly want her or no one else that they will self-destruct the party. She has created this mess. God help the party to recover.

Posted by: Jerome | Jun 3, 2008 5:59:59 PM

OBAMA 08!!!

Posted by: ronn | Jun 3, 2008 6:03:01 PM

s.b.

The superdelegates are not going to lie about who they will vote for. They know what's at stake. If they are truly undecided they can say so. We aren't counting those.

Posted by: jock59801 | Jun 3, 2008 6:07:00 PM

Put an * next to his name. He'll be a footnote in history.

Posted by: Mack | Jun 3, 2008 6:07:30 PM

well, should he win the nomination, he can kiss all the media's hand for handing it to him; he can also kiss all those kiss assers (super delegates) that handed it to him as well; they are so afraid of the black people that they don't want to make waves; I can say this for Hillary, she has fought the long fight and she will prevail! God Bless you Hillary, because at least you have God on your side; who does BHO have; well, since he denounced the church, no one will ever know; or is he the anti christ, which is what everyone is saying; how could he use the church and God go get his way, I tell you he will stop at nothing to get up there; so my advise to all of you is BEWARE of what's up ahead with him; heaven forbid that he wins!

Posted by: Marcy | Jun 3, 2008 6:07:32 PM

Hey McCain:

You're Next! The Democrat Machine is coming!

Be afraid! Be very afraid!

Posted by: Mickey | Jun 3, 2008 6:08:07 PM

The popular vote argument is a weak one for Clinton. This assumes that all the states that Obama won with the caucuses didn't not have any votes. That is why the popular vote is sketchy at best. If you want to make the popular vote count every state would need to hold a primary.

I think Obama\Clinton would be good for this country. Her tenacity has impressed me, her tactics though have had me walk away from her.

Posted by: tbsea | Jun 3, 2008 6:08:22 PM

The Democratic machine - no wheels and no engine.

Posted by: Mack | Jun 3, 2008 6:10:15 PM

Fox News just reported that according to early exit polls Hillary has a commanding lead in SD with the majority of seniors, women, lower income and rural voters. Obama was supposed to have a lock on both SD and MT! (I guess that's probably the reason why the SDs endorsed Obama so early today.)

Rise, Hillary, Rise!'08
A Proud, Black, Hillary Supporter

(It ain't over until the lady in the pantsuit says so!)

Posted by: LeeLee07 | Jun 3, 2008 6:10:38 PM

Just wondering, for the sake of being "politically correct", shouldn't Obama be referred to as the "first bi-racial presidential candidate? Still monumental and also reality.

Posted by: Lee | Jun 3, 2008 6:10:49 PM

Apparently Obama's WINS are overlooked....according to hillary this race started on Mar 4th, so those other states don't count.

And that is exactly how most of her supporters respond....well she's winning now, so she must be the peoples choice.

Maybe someone needs to explain the process to them.

Posted by: LA in Indiana | Jun 3, 2008 6:11:29 PM

I will never forget february 10, 2007....when my friend stood on the steps of the Old State Capitol of Illinois and shared the Content Of His Character with the rest of the world. This was the beggining of our future. Since that day I have been saying, and I will continue saying.........

America Is ready
Obama 08

Posted by: David T. | Jun 3, 2008 6:11:32 PM

Ok. Everybody take a deep breath, and we'll all cool off. I know a lot of people were so close to the campaigns that it will be hard to get out of attack mode, so maybe we just sshouldn't say anything for awhile. It's June; let's take a vacation. We can all come together again in the fall.

Posted by: jock59801 | Jun 3, 2008 6:11:44 PM

I'm still praying for him David T.
We worked for him hard here in Indiana, this is truly special for all of us.

Posted by: LA in Indiana | Jun 3, 2008 6:14:07 PM

@jock59801 - You're such a dreamer!

Rise, Hillary, Rise!'08
A Proud, Black, Hillary Supporter

(It ain't over until the lady in the pantsuit says so!)

Posted by: LeeLee07 | Jun 3, 2008 6:14:53 PM

I hope people will be smarter to see that the candidate with the most voters votes, Senator Clinton, was not back by the democrat super delegates. WHY? If the job of the super delegates is to go along with the pledged delegates and not the voice of the people then why have them in the first place???

The candidate who accuse Hillary campaign old politics, well look at the truth now. This man is dangerous, he stab people then trumpet that he is the victim.

The democratic party is corrupted, THE PEOPLE'S VOTES SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE SUPER DELEGATES CHOICE. I AM VOTING FOR SENATOR MCCAIN JUST TO MAKE SURE OBAMA, THE CORRUPT CHICAGO STYLE POLITICIAN, SOCIALIST WILL NOT BE IN THE WHITE HOUSE.

PLEASE PEOPLE WAKE UP, THIS IS PURE CORRUPTION.

Posted by: happy to be an american | Jun 3, 2008 6:15:48 PM

Yes it is all over, and while there are those who will be bitter, and promise to vote for McCain, I can't help but think most of them will come to their senses. "I'm gonna take my toys and go home" is not a constructive attitude, nor a good way to choose your candidate for president. I believe the American people will vote, in the end, to take the government back from the neo-fascists that have trapped us in their Plutocratic Oligarchy for the last 28 years. The monster has finally begun to eat itself. Let's take advantage of this this move forward in a positive way, while at the same time insuring that we put into power those who will investigate the Bush administration and prosecute to the fullest those guilty of everything from subborning to perjury to high treason. Now is our chance. let's not waste it!

Posted by: steve small | Jun 3, 2008 6:19:03 PM

These superdelegates are cold. They could have waited until tomorrow. If I were Hillary, I wouldn't want to be on his ticket. Let Obama lead the democrats underwater alone!

Posted by: susan | Jun 3, 2008 6:19:13 PM

I really do hope these supers and the DNC are happy for what they have done to the working class of this country...McCain 08

Posted by: Proud to be an American | Jun 3, 2008 6:20:58 PM

dems will lose again! I am an independent. The repubs wanted Obama to win the nomination because Hussein cannot beat Mccain... I guess I will never see a decent democrat in office again. If you had HIll you had Bill and he was the best!the end of the world is NEAR!

Posted by: beckers | Jun 3, 2008 6:23:02 PM

I am a Hillary supporter but if, as it seems, Obama wins tonight, then congratulations to him. BUT, I do think he will have to seriously consider putting her on the ticket. Ok, it goes against his message of 'change in Washington' BUT she did get 17 Million votes and these just cannot be ignored. She can bring in those swing states that he has real difficulty in. There seems to be a lot of democratic women feeling upset that Hillary did not win the nomination. And if I am not wrong, women make up about 60% of democratic voters? That can't be ignored. I truly believe that Hillary is a better person than her campaign sometimes portrayed her to be. And she has done so much for progressing the role of women in public life. Her resilience alone is hugely commendable. I wish I had even a 10th of it!!

Posted by: Louise | Jun 3, 2008 6:23:06 PM

No we will not back Obama ever ...so please stop saying we will it will never happen.....McCain 08

Posted by: Proud to be an American | Jun 3, 2008 6:23:15 PM

Ex-Dems for McCain 2008!

Posted by: Mack | Jun 3, 2008 6:25:27 PM

THE HELL WITH HILLARY THE CORRUPT LIAR AND MCCAIN THE S&L CROOK AND VIET TRAITOR.

TIME 4 A CHANGE.

OBAMA '08

Posted by: CHUCK | Jun 3, 2008 6:25:44 PM

There is a excerpt of a video being shown on Fox News with a Palestinian activist talking about how Obama is anti-Israel.

Rise, Hillary, Rise!'08
A Proud, Black, Hillary Supporter

(It ain't over until the lady in the pantsuit says so!)

Posted by: LeeLee07 | Jun 3, 2008 6:26:20 PM

we american democrats will support obama all the way and 80% of the people on here in the fall will vote for obama even though they say thwey wont

Posted by: tom | Jun 3, 2008 6:27:02 PM

To the Steve Smalls of the land of Obamabots....

Congrats to your candidate. But if he chooses anyone else as his VP...he WILL LOSE. jUST AS U ALL EXPECT US TO SUCK IT UP AND VOTE FOR HIM...U BETTER HOPE THAT SHE IS ON THE TICKET. SHE HAS DAMN WELL EARNED IT. FYI....TED KENNEDY WAS BEHIND BY MORE THAN 700 DELEGATES TO CARTER AND HE STILL WENT TO THE CONVENTION TO FIGHT PRES CARTER!!!

OUR LADY IS BEHIND BY 200 ODD DELEGATES ONLY EVEN THOUGH SHE IS AHEAD OR EVEN IN POPULAR VOTER!! SO SHE HAS DAMN WELL EARNED THE RIGHT TO BE ON THE TKT.

TO ALL HILLARY SUPPORTERS....DO NOT VOTE FOR BARACK IF HE DOES NOT PURT HER ON THE TKT

Posted by: satish raman | Jun 3, 2008 6:27:50 PM

I cannot vote for Obama even if Hillary is on the ticket. The man is unqualified!

Rise, Hillary, Rise!'08
A Proud, Black, Hillary Supporter

(It ain't over until the lady in the pantsuit says so!)

Posted by: LeeLee07 | Jun 3, 2008 6:29:11 PM

Satish

I second that! Hillary supporters are not obligated to vote for Obama unless she is first offered and only choice for VP

Posted by: dem38 | Jun 3, 2008 6:29:58 PM

Democratic America has conquered race and bigotry and has decided on change, hope and a new direction. Proud to be an America that is living up to its values and ideals after 8 years of the country heading in the wrong direction.

Posted by: gjkotw01 | Jun 3, 2008 6:30:41 PM

I am appaulled that the superdelegates are jumping ship and TV coverage is announcing the superdelegates going to the Obama campaign before the polls close in South Dakota and Montana. What a manipulation of the electoral process and the first amendment. What does this say to us. Shut up and take it? I don't think so. I seriously hope that HRC does not take the VP seat. Originally, I thought this would be a great ticket-but how can it be if this manipulation is what this party stands for?

Posted by: Colleen | Jun 3, 2008 6:30:59 PM

Tom

you are completely incorrect... if Hillary is not on the ticket then Obama will not win!

Posted by: dem38 | Jun 3, 2008 6:31:00 PM

I will be leaving the Dem. Party tomorrow...I want no part of a party that lets someone like Obama CNN ABC and all the other news cast that have treated Hillary like a piece of Sh*t...And i am a first time voter.

Posted by: Proud to be an American | Jun 3, 2008 6:31:43 PM

I'm excited about Senator Obama becoming the Nominee, and nearly excited about the prospect of Senator Clinton being his VP choice, if I could trust she was sincerely believing that he would be a good President, and not that he could only be a good president with her "help". That would castrate and undermine his leadership.

I believe that if Clinton had the humility to say we fought hard, but the better candidate has won "this time", and now we will work hard for the country,and the party to make sure the better candidate wins the election....then I could believe she would be an asset to him, and not a liability.

However, Clinton has a VP, with 2012 in her sight, would be dangerous.

Obama may have to gamble and NOT choose her, either he will win or he will not, but it may be a chance he have to take.

Posted by: MyAudacity | Jun 3, 2008 6:33:04 PM

Yes its over, and Senator Barack Obama is the democratic nominee for President of the United States of America!

Now comes more spin, more distortions, more lies, more hit jobs.....

God bless Senator Obama and his family.
We are with you all...

Veterans for Obama
Fort Wayne, Indiana

Posted by: LA in Indiana | Jun 3, 2008 6:33:19 PM

The party has been irrevocably torn down the middle. The centrists on one side and the left wingers on the other. No denying that.

Posted by: Mack | Jun 3, 2008 6:33:41 PM

coleen

I agree that ther have been more negative things, far more coming out of the Obama camp than the Clinton Camp... He is not entitlied and not a messiah and not a god... these people to the very last day of the campaign are subsituting real life happiness with somethign of a subsitute...like Obama has some kind of mind alterign qualities... this is serious business and we a re trying to nominate someone to fix the errant Bush years and Clinton is still the most qualified

Posted by: dem38 | Jun 3, 2008 6:34:16 PM

To mack seems to me that bush/cheney are more antichrist and furthermore the antichrist will not be comming from America. Also, LeeLee07 the way I see it both parties are corrupt especially the republicans.

Posted by: Marcia | Jun 3, 2008 6:34:28 PM

mack

furthermore, the centrists are pretty much the only democrats that didnt vote for Obama... and Obama got republican and independant votes just intendign to cause chaos

Posted by: dem38 | Jun 3, 2008 6:35:51 PM

all you mccain republicans can go home now--obama has my permision to kick some old butt.
hope he does not take hillbillary as his running mate---would be ok if she got rid of--pig man willy

Posted by: rodney | Jun 3, 2008 6:35:51 PM

I guess only in the democratic party can an empty-suited, empty rhetoric filled, race-baiting con man become the nominee.

Posted by: Mack | Jun 3, 2008 6:36:28 PM

Senator Obama has MORE legislative experience than Senator Clinton....

Try checking the Library of Congress sometime, and comparing Senate records....more qualified my foot.

Posted by: LA in Indiana | Jun 3, 2008 6:36:34 PM

LA In Indiana

Obama still wont win the GE without Hillary and you will accept it still!

Posted by: dem38 | Jun 3, 2008 6:36:48 PM

If "experience" really was a qualification, then why was Dubya elected after only one and a half terms as a Texas governor with his record of substance abuse? Unlike Bush, Barrack has never been arrested.

Posted by: Greg | Jun 3, 2008 6:37:33 PM

la in Indiana

you are delusional and wrong on the legislative in experience... why dont you just find somewhere else to spout crazy notions!

Posted by: dem38 | Jun 3, 2008 6:38:11 PM

dem38....facts....those pesky little things that just get in the way of your derogatory rhetoric.....

FACTS.

Posted by: LA in Indiana | Jun 3, 2008 6:38:22 PM

Greg

but Obama still has the guilt by association thing... and he hasnt worked for it... period!

Posted by: dem38 | Jun 3, 2008 6:39:00 PM

well the DNC did a great hatchet job on Hillary.Let the voice of the people take precident ..She has won more votes.And the party has the audacity to use a corrupt system of elite supers to overrun the will of the 17million plus voters who chose Hillary.
Go independant Sen Clinton.You dont owe the DNC any favours and only the party can take the blame when Mccain wins.

Posted by: adele | Jun 3, 2008 6:39:33 PM

LA in Indiana

the ticket wont win with out Clinton-FACT

Posted by: dem38 | Jun 3, 2008 6:39:45 PM

I truely hope it is a split decision!!

I am hoping and praying that Hillary wins! Something, anything to stay in this and become the nominee to become the first female president!

Go Hillary! We are with you and have faith in you!

Hillary '08

Posted by: Krissy K | Jun 3, 2008 6:39:56 PM

guilt by association thing....
that's credible!

Maybe some of y'all should read a little more.

Posted by: LA in Indiana | Jun 3, 2008 6:40:19 PM

I guess Hillary has won both states that Obama thought he had all wraped up but doesn't...Because everytime he loses the supers come out like flies to back him ...And they want us to back him...I don't think so Obama...You will be are next piece of toast...

Posted by: Proud to be an American | Jun 3, 2008 6:40:39 PM

rodney

using your reverse racist self as an example Obama must pick Hillary to ensure there will be a fair process and that the republicans cant win!

Posted by: dem38 | Jun 3, 2008 6:41:27 PM

its delegates....d-e-l-e-g-a-t-e-s

no matter how badly y'all want to change the rules....its delegates!

Its funny how some of you have no problem cheating.

Posted by: LA in Indiana | Jun 3, 2008 6:41:52 PM

Rodney, you must live in a bubble. Bush/Cheney and Fox news channel give out more rhetoric, lies, deception. Furthermore, Obama never brought up race he tried to transcend it but between the media far right that looks at race for everything. They're afraid and so were the Indians when they came to the US

Posted by: Marcia | Jun 3, 2008 6:42:34 PM

proud to be an american


Obama has a problem.. he must pick Hillary or else he wont have a legislative career if he loses the white house he only ran for senate to run for president

Posted by: dem38 | Jun 3, 2008 6:42:50 PM

If Hillary concedes tonight, I suggest her supporters immediately change their party affiliation to Independent. I know I will. Let's give the DNC a real smackdown!

Rise, Hillary, Rise!'08
A Proud, Black, Hillary Supporter

(It ain't over until the lady in the pantsuit says so!)

Posted by: LeeLee07 | Jun 3, 2008 6:43:21 PM

i see that MCflipflop is stating that he is for change---where have i heard that before--he is already stealing obamas lines---where was he when all the bad decisions were voted on---first he is for and then he is against sounds like he is senile.

Posted by: rodney | Jun 3, 2008 6:43:46 PM

LA In Indiana

he has a problem with national popular votes in the GE and he will be defeated lest you accept Hillary as VP period go away otherwise you are worthless!

Posted by: dem38 | Jun 3, 2008 6:44:19 PM

America Is ready??
???? For what? an american that cannot find it in his heart to salute our flag? My family members fought for this country in the revolution and world war II. the liberals ruined this country as did the republicans... Isnt there someone in the middle?

Posted by: beckers | Jun 3, 2008 6:44:26 PM

And he very well may do that dem38.

But you do realize the republicans will come out of the woodwork just to vote against a 'clinton'.

bill disgraced OUR house, which is part of the reason we got lil bush. Over half the country does not want bill back in the white house.

Posted by: LA in Indiana | Jun 3, 2008 6:45:10 PM

leelee

that might be a good idea... it is a matter of national security and interest to prevent Obam afrom being president unless Hillary is VP!

Posted by: dem38 | Jun 3, 2008 6:45:41 PM

lee
hillbillary is going to the gerry springer show---her slick willy---surprise guest monica--i cannot wait to see that show

Posted by: rodney | Jun 3, 2008 6:46:01 PM

LA In Indiana

over half of Dems dont want Obama so you better accept Hillary or else...that is the only way! you cant go against it... if you do just shut up!

Posted by: dem38 | Jun 3, 2008 6:46:46 PM

What has happened to the Media? You don't question when you should and when shown a Candidate of integrity you create doubt.
Can we PLEASE elevate the discussion.
Obama is a man of Class and we are so fortunate to finally have this enter our
politics. Quit creating the story and just report on it!!!

Posted by: Joanne | Jun 3, 2008 6:47:00 PM

beckers....snopes.com has the truth.

Maybe you should read a little bit more.

It is truly amazing how many of you really believe the lies, the distortions, the hit job.

Posted by: LA in Indiana | Jun 3, 2008 6:47:08 PM

Hurry up November so we can get McCain
elected and we don't have to see or hear of Clinton or Obama anymore. I am
dead tired of hearing those losers names. Let's get it on. If we vote
now we could stop hear those losers names. McCain will blow those losers
back to where they belong- the trash heap.

Posted by: jwood | Jun 3, 2008 6:47:45 PM

rodney

its times liek these that you we need to revoke voting rights if you say reverse racist incendiary things like that!

Posted by: dem38 | Jun 3, 2008 6:47:54 PM

Puleeze, oh puleeze, Senator Obama, do not make Hilliary your v.p. candidate. As a white, elderly Republican who plans to vote for you, I cannot stand to listen to that woman (or her husband) for another minute.

You would make it very difficult for me to vote for you if that meant a vote for her, too.

Posted by: Tricia | Jun 3, 2008 6:48:15 PM

joanne
they do not want class ---THEY WANT THE FREAK SHOW CLINTONS

Posted by: rodney | Jun 3, 2008 6:48:30 PM

LA

you are the one distorting and lying... If Obama picks Hillary that defeats your purpose and you wouldnt be so excited but that would be poetic justice

Posted by: dem38 | Jun 3, 2008 6:49:12 PM

DEM
YOU ARE AFRAID HE WILL KICK SOME WHITE BUTT----that is funny

Posted by: rodney | Jun 3, 2008 6:49:50 PM

technically the race isnt over if HRC is smart she will sit back let GOP inflict some damage and then the trump card you have 59 delegates that were awarded not earned from uncommitted MI democrats the convention should at least be interesting my fellow democrats we are starting to morph into the party ran by bigwigs sam thing that got GOP in trouble recently

Posted by: Quintell | Jun 3, 2008 6:50:01 PM

rodney

there is in no way any class that has been shown by the Obamas .. more clas I have to admit from Obama himself rather than his very average wife!

Posted by: dem38 | Jun 3, 2008 6:50:13 PM

The enemy of my enemy is my friend...McCain 08

Posted by: Mack | Jun 3, 2008 6:50:23 PM

quintell

yep if they want to talk about delegates... Obama was awarded 4 delegates from Mi that he didnt earn! so in reality Hillary should take that to the credentials committee

Posted by: dem38 | Jun 3, 2008 6:51:52 PM

Does it not sound like the elections are rigged....Because CNN knows before the people voting do who will win...