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MoveOn.org Plans Continued Pro-Obama Push
November 04, 2008 1:23 PM
From ABC’s Rick Klein, author of The Note.
Welcome back to the live blog -- I’ll be blogging here all day for Election Day -- leading up to our coverage on ABC NewsNOW tonight, starting at 7 pm ET. The live feed of our coverage, featuring me and Sam Donaldson from New York, will be available online at ABCNews.com/politics.
One of the most fascinating questions for an Obama administration to answer -- if, indeed, there is an Obama administration to talk about after tonight -- is what he’ll do with the activist army that’s signed on to his cause.
One big segment of that army is already figuring out what it plans to do for Obama -- again, with the important caveat that first he has to win the election.
I spoke with Eli Pariser, the executive director of MoveOn.org, about what they’ve done for Obama during the election, plus what’s next.
Pariser said he plans to put the 4.3 million members of his organization to work on behalf of a President Obama -- even if that will mean, at times, taking on Democratic leaders in Congress.
"We may be able to do some things that Obama, playing the delicate, inside game of winning votes handshake by handshake, may not be able to do," Pariser said. "It’s an extraordinary opportunity... There’s an alignment on what we want to accomplish, and what the people in the Obama movement want to accomplish. I expect we’ll be working shoulder-to-shoulder with them."
This represents something of a rethinking of the MoveOn.org mission. Founded in 1998, in a grass-roots effort to get the country to "move on" from President Bill Clinton’s impeachment inquiry, the group has defined itself as an outside voice, not an inside player.
But starting in February, with MoveOn’s decision to endorse Obama in the Democratic primary -- the group’s first presidential endorsement -- an important transition began.
In one little-noticed move, MoveOn.org effectively merged its organizing operations and get-out-the-vote projects with the Obama campaign’s. Rather than running parallel GOTV campaigns, like the group did in 2004 and 2006, MoveOn worked in tandem with the campaign.
Pariser said MoveOn dedicated roughly 15 staffers to a legally separate operation -- similar to the way unions and the national parities set up "independent expenditure" arms -- primarily to handle online organizing geared toward boosting Obama’s prospects.
More importantly, the group directed as many as 600,000 volunteers to the Obama campaign, Pariser said. He said the group spent nearly $30 million to help elect Obama.
Pariser said he thinks it’s critical for Obama, if he wins, to utilize the people who have invested in his campaign.
"It’s incredibly important that they take what they built forward," he said.
A continued alignment with MoveOn.org and groups brings some political risk to Obama. He seems inclined to govern from the center, and he’ll have millions of supporters pulling him to the left.
If those supporters are noisy about it, he may antagonize the congressional leaders who hold the keys to actually enacting his agenda. And those supporters may end up getting noisy about their disagreements with Obama, too, particularly if his plans to withdraw troops from Iraq get delayed in any way.
Pariser said he sees an opportunity for partnership -- while cautioning that his members will stick by their beliefs.
"If Obama wins, fundamentally his organization will be driven from the White House -- it can’t not be. That’s good, that’s important. But it’s different than an organization like MoveOn, which is driven by members toward the White House," he said. "They may converge in the same place, but they come from different places."
What do you think?
-- Rick Klein
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Rick...I think we should get through this election before beginning to polarize minds for the next one
Posted by: watching | Nov 4, 2008 1:40:40 PM
watching...I am an Obama supporter and I absolutely agree with you there. Let's first elect a president, then worry about the next step. 4 years ago it seemed that candidates were lining up as the polls closed to run against GWB.
Obama TODAY!
Posted by: SwiftyPA | Nov 4, 2008 1:50:56 PM
I hope Mr. Obama is able to reset the extremists in his own party and gently guide the country back towards the center. The harder and quicker they pull Obama away from the political 'center' to the left, the sooner and more sudden the pendulum will go the other way.
Posted by: I'm With Stupid | Nov 4, 2008 1:51:13 PM
Time to move on, indeed.
Where are your moveon.com principles???
Your constitutional rights have been taken away thanks to 0bama's support of Bush, giving him unchecked power to spy on US citizens.
You guys turned to be nothing, but sheeps.
Posted by: d0 | Nov 4, 2008 1:58:01 PM
Rick
Speak on! Many are going nuts sitting at home, after voting, and this gives us something to dewll on while we wait for the results.
Posted by: Grissom | Nov 4, 2008 1:59:16 PM
I am 22 and I'd like to capture my thoughts before America either elects a president who its first 26 presidents could have legally owned, or brazenly subverts the very ideals it was founded upon by manipulating numbers in a final embarrassingly overt goosestep towards corporate totalitarianism.
I am nervous. And not night-before-the-swim-test nervous or even night-you-lose-your-virginity nervous, it's a low rumbling primal panic which I can only liken to Star Wars panic. Disney panic. The edge-of-your-seat-terror that makes you wonder if Skywalker's doomed after he refuses to join Darth Vader and drops down into the abyss, if the wicked octopus or grand vizier or steroid-pumping-village-misogynist is going to wed/kill/skin the dashing prince and then evil people in dark funny costumes are going to take over the world... if it wasn't a movie of course.
And tonight it's not. It's not a movie and yet I feel like Obama might as well be wearing an American flag cape while a decaying McCain, in a high-tech robotic spider wheelchair wearing an eyepatch and stroking an evil cat, gives orders to a sexy scheming Palin who marches back and forth through their sub-terranian campaign lair in four inch thigh-highs and full-body black leather catsuit bossing around the evangelical ants with a loooooong whip... umm... is this just me?
Anyway, the point is that things feel weird folks. I have friends who have peed in waterbottles to keep from interrupting a Halo-playing marathon who got off their asses/couches to volunteer for the Obama campaign not once, but many times. Friends so cheap their body content is at least 1/3 Ramen Noodle who donated a good deal of their hard-earned cash to the campaign. People have registered to vote in record numbers, and yet, something just doesn't feel right. I think we should stop congratulating ourselves for just voting. To vote is a privilege which people have died for, and I think there's a whole lot more to be done for the country than to simply help win an election every 4 years.
Hundreds of millions of dollars, hundreds of thousands of man-hours spent on both sides by good-intentioned people who want to make a difference in an historic election, so many resources and voices and energies devoted to a single day. After tomorrow, half of that is going to have been a waste. And I can't help but wonder what could have happened if all that muscle had been put towards something else, and what will happen to its momentum after the election has come and gone. Shouldn't we be donating our money to good causes whenever we can? Helping people who don't have? Dedicating some of our time to contribute to making the country which provides for us a better place? Of course a power shift is a hugely significant step on the path to great reform, but worrying about this election has been a wakeup call for me:
Even if Obama wins, we have not "won." This isn't a movie and we can't toss every greedy lobbyist oil fatcat bigot down a reactor shaft. I think if we dedicate ourselves to the ongoing welfare of the country as much as we have to the outcome of this election, we'll have a much better shot at coming closer to the overwhelming good the liberals hope Obama will usher in, but which no mere mortal could fully realize alone.
Which brings me to the other side. I've heard a lot of people claim that if McCain wins, they're leaving. I heard the same thing about Bush's reelection, and his unelection before that, and nobody seems to be leaving. And that's fine. Because as much as I complain about certain political happenings, atrocities, etc., I really do like it here and I suspect most other people do too. We have New York and Hollywood, purple mountain's majesty and sea to shining sea, we created jazz and country music and baseball and cars and lightbulbs and computers and that movie with hundreds of animated singing Chihuahuas! I mean who among the shivering Plymouth pilgrims ever imagined ordering hundreds of animated singing chihuahuas onto a magical box from an invisible information superweb?
The point being, if things don't turn out the way I want tomorrow, I feel compelled, as a college-graduated adultish-type-person, to take a stand. And if I'm going to leave I'm going to leave. But if I'm going to stay I'm not going to sit around whining like I have for the past 8 years. It's like when I don't clean my room because it's dirty and then I blame the dirt. So in my very indecisive way, before you and your screen, I'm declaring my intention to make some kind of stand in the event of -(Ican'tevensayit)-, and encouraging you to consider making one too...
Jump the ship or grab a bucket?
-Sigh-
Wasn't everything so much easier back when the worst possible affront to your values was a PB&J sandwich cut diagonally with crust?
Anyways, I guess what I'm saying is that if we're going to stay on board, we should probably be generous with our time and resources when times are tough even more than when the hero saves the day. Because what if he doesn't? And what if he can't? "Yes we can" should mean more than just winning an election if we're really committed to change.
Best,
Hannah Friedman
www.writinghannah.blogspot.com
Posted by: hannah friedman | Nov 4, 2008 2:01:48 PM
Is moveOn.org doing anything to police or counteract the possibility of network vote servers flipping the vote. This is of particular concern in Pennslyvania, Virginia and Ohio, states where mccain claims he has closed the gap. What safeguards are in place to ensure votes are not stolen, and bogus vote totals siimply replace the actual results?
Posted by: SeeingABetterWorld | Nov 4, 2008 2:05:00 PM
MOVEON.ORG...GO TO HELL!
Posted by: Mark | Nov 4, 2008 2:09:14 PM
I have just come from voting for OBAMA.
I a former Republican can hardly wait until I hear CHANGE will come. As I have been informed by the REPUBLICAN'S like Sarah Palin and John MCCain if I don't vote for them I will not be a TRUE AMERICAN. As they have tried to put us in catagories like PRO-ANTI-MORE American Etc. THERE ARE NO GROUPS, NO BLACK, WHITE, HISPANIC, MEXICAN Etc. I am an AMERICAN PERIOD.... WE ALL LOVE OUR COUNTRY
I was asked last night if I had heard that OBAMA'S grandmother had died, before I could even say anything the woman states "well since the old bag died I guess OBAMA will get more sympothy votes" someone else stated DAM the ##### kicked the bucket finally. I looked at these people and stated that I felt sorry for Mr. Obama as I too was raised by my grandparents because my parents were killed in an accident. I couldn't imagine the pain he was in as he was so close to his grandmother. One of the woman turned to me with disqust and stated" OH! You are one of those" and walked off. I with open mouth stood there and just couldn't believe that in 2008 this is what we have come down to. NOW, I know that not all view this same opinion but really...?
This is were our country is now is that we can't even state condolences to someone we might not agree on. This is sad. I a 55 year old female who was thunderstruck. She this woman who was close to my own age (not a teenager or young adult) didn't even think twice about what she had just stated. She didn't care. AS with this group my vote is my opinion but I can see this country needs CHANGE more than EVRE.
Now I can't blame this all on the Republicans but I will blame them in part with there so called speeches and divisional tactics. You Sarah Palin were the worst. I hope you understand this and will explain to your children one day how you could have taken a high road however decided to sink with your opionions.
As Barack Obama stated on WED. Night this country needs to come together not divide and with him in office I can see this happening.
Posted by: The Truth | Nov 4, 2008 2:10:17 PM
It is very importent to me that he does not come off like Jimmy Carter but acts like he really is a smart sharp focused person. Not beholden to the Lord or Move on dot anyone.
The right will be trying to show he somehow is in the pocket of the Rev Wright or the liberal movement of the 70's. It is so importent to get good people with creds from all over to show this is not true. Step up and be Presidential this will not be easy he has much baggage, but he has a whole lot of people in the middle hoping he really is a smart as we think.
Posted by: Bonnie Kimberly | Nov 4, 2008 2:11:46 PM
MOVEON.ORG...GO TO HELL!
Posted by: Mark | Nov 4, 2008 2:09:14 PM
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ditto, from the demo side.
Posted by: d0 | Nov 4, 2008 2:11:47 PM
I voted this morning and if Barack runs the country like he ran his pristeen campagne, we are in good hands. In the history of this country, no one has run such a classy, campaign like he just did. My first presidential election was Kennedy's and I was so excited because he inspired me to vote and to get involved. Sound familiar?
Barrack has such charisma and is truly an honest and non violent human being. He will surround himslef with the best.
I am proud to have voted for Barrack Obama. This should ease some racial views in the country. He has done everything right in his life and he certainly deserves to be President of the United States of America.OBAMA-08
Posted by: Anita | Nov 4, 2008 2:12:56 PM
hey.... where do we pick up the mortage checks??? I's gettin mines
Posted by: laqueshia | Nov 4, 2008 2:14:16 PM
I'm with Stupid is right- the political world and the society it represents is like the stock market- if you get too greedy it crashes. America and the entire world need to progress steadily and with as few backlashings and backtrackings as possible. We will eventually arrive at the future, and we need to be most careful not to bloody or destroy ourselves along the way.
Posted by: esel | Nov 4, 2008 2:14:38 PM
"The Truth" thanks for your post, now lets all pray that your vote gets counted. Rick could you please answer my question.
Is moveOn.org doing anything to police or counteract the possibility of network vote servers flipping the vote. This is of particular concern in Pennslyvania, Virginia and Ohio, states where mccain claims he has closed the gap. What safeguards are in place to ensure votes are not stolen, and bogus vote totals siimply replace the actual results?
Posted by: SeeingABetterWorld | Nov 4, 2008 2:16:10 PM
how can you all say that you hope Obama will resist his extremist peers when he the BIGGEST extremist....most liveral senator period....
Posted by: mccainfan | Nov 4, 2008 2:16:57 PM
Lets get obama elected!!! i can't wait...i'm a doctor and will have to pay higher taxes but I'll be happy to contribute BECAUSE I CAN MAKE IT UP I'LL GET MORE BUSINESS......... I'M GOING TO CRANK UP MY ABORTION CLINIC BIZ SO COME ONE COME ALL...1 DAY TO 9 MONTHS... I'LL JANK THAT LITTLE SH@#T OUT BEFORE YOU CAN SAY "GIVE ME MY CHECK BARAK"
Posted by: Doc | Nov 4, 2008 2:23:18 PM
Doc
thats sick BUT true
Posted by: Pat | Nov 4, 2008 2:25:42 PM
Black Panthers intimidate voters from voting in Philadelphia. One was holding a night stick and said that we will have a black president and they would do no matter what to ensure that.
Posted by: Look into it | Nov 4, 2008 2:27:24 PM
how can you all say that you hope Obama will resist his extremist peers when he the BIGGEST extremist....most liveral senator period....
Posted by: mccainfan | Nov 4, 2008 2:16:57 PM
Lets get obama elected!!! i can't wait...i'm a doctor and will have to pay higher taxes but I'll be happy to contribute BECAUSE I CAN MAKE IT UP I'LL GET MORE BUSINESS......... I'M GOING TO CRANK UP MY ABORTION CLINIC BIZ SO COME ONE COME ALL...1 DAY TO 9 MONTHS... I'LL JANK THAT LITTLE SH@#T OUT BEFORE YOU CAN SAY "GIVE ME MY CHECK BARAK"
Posted by: Doc | Nov 4, 2008 2:23:18 PM
________________________________________
You guys are really twisted and have a very distorted view of reality. You are showing everyone how arrogance and ignorance has dominated your lives.
Posted by: SeeingABetterWorld | Nov 4, 2008 2:28:19 PM
Doc
yea....fu*&k them kids...there just a peice of garbage...I'm with Barak...Make PBA legal and permament!!!!
Posted by: jeff | Nov 4, 2008 2:29:24 PM
You guys are really twisted and have a very distorted view of reality. You are showing everyone how arrogance and ignorance has dominated your lives.
Obama does not support PBA?? whos ignorant? does he or not?
Posted by: Pat | Nov 4, 2008 2:32:06 PM
Anita--- where have you been? where would you like me to start about Obama? classy campaign? honest? should I start with all his memoirs? Acorn? Reverend Wright? His illegal aunt? The list is waaaaayyyy to long to talk about all of his shady counterparts. Who can you name that is shady who is assoicated with McCain!!!!
Posted by: mccainfan | Nov 4, 2008 2:37:30 PM
One thing that concerns me about this election is it is dividing America and not just along party lines. I've never seen Americans so bitter and angry at others because of their political views.
It is my opinion that powerful people (in government) want us divided. That way we can't stand against them.
"United we stand, Divided we fall"
Posted by: Jim | Nov 4, 2008 2:47:48 PM
mccainfan ----------- Its a pity that you are delusional. I really wish that someone can take you by hand to visit a therapist right now, cos i can figure that you are nut and getting nuttier. You need a psychiatrist.
Posted by: kho | Nov 4, 2008 3:11:51 PM
well it is obvious to me that you are an illiterate idiot because you use words like "cos"
Posted by: mccainfan | Nov 4, 2008 3:18:27 PM
Obama owes a lot of these fringe Activist groups favors. Obama also owes alot of favors to people from overseas who gave untracable donations.
Obama will sell America down the river with Obama
Posted by: dos | Nov 4, 2008 3:21:14 PM
mccainfan ----------- Its a pity that you are delusional. I really wish that someone can take you by hand to visit a therapist right now, cos i can figure that you are nut and getting nuttier. You need a psychiatrist
Posted by: kho | Nov 4, 2008 3:28:23 PM
Excellent post Hannah. It is tremendous and heartening to see that young people are using their political voice!!!
I was watching the international reaction to Obama's candidacy and I began to become concerned too.
He is just one man. A symbol, if you will, of all that is good in the world. Interracial, multicultural, international, intellectually excellent, yet pragmatic, down home American yet cosmopolitan- so many things most Americans are and are not- at the same time. A symbol of an ideal America. A "can't we all just get along" America.
He is a man for the ages.
But that does not change my concern that people, genuinely hurting people, will expect the unexpectable.
He has so many challenges ahead. We have so many challenge ahead, as a nation. And while moveon.org et al will have expectations, and the american people will have expectations and the congress will have expectations, and the world will have expectations. And while accountability is not only necessary but required, this will require extraordinary skill, finesse, tenacity, and I think, courage.
Posted by: A Fine Line | Nov 4, 2008 3:28:54 PM
Mccainfan-
The question is where have you been?McCain has spoken at Acorn's funmctions, he also donated $500,000.00 to the PLO guy's frund raiser. so better read up honey, because I can out show you up anytime with facts.
Posted by: Anita | Nov 4, 2008 3:29:17 PM
mccainfan ----------- Its a pity that you are delusional. I really wish that someone can take you by hand to visit a therapist right now, cos i can figure that you are nut and getting nuttier. You need a psychiatrist
Posted by: kho | Nov 4, 2008 3:30:38 PM
It is always the Republicans who are right with anything they do or say. It's okay for them but not the Dems" Poppycock. Most of you are smug arrogant , not well read, and love to carry those guns and bibles. Get a life and an education.
YOU BETCHA! wink wink
Posted by: Anita | Nov 4, 2008 3:32:04 PM
Why are those on the right so angry? EVERY diminishment in your previously wonderful lives is explicitly an artifact of Republikaaner policies. Loss of middle class employment? Unconscionable gouging in energy costs? Collapse of the WORLD financial system? Thousands of true patriots (which you are NOT, by the way) murdered in the name of "Iraqi freedom"? Which of these can you seriously lay at the feet of the left, progressives, or even Democrats (although there is clearly complicity here)?
No one comtemplating an abortion is having a good life. Abortion is NOT an issue. It just isn't. Abortion has ALWAYS been available in America. It's just that SAFE abortion was the province of the WEALTHY (congruent with "elite" and "republican") and poor women took a chance with a guy with a coat hanger. Know your history son, THAT is why it is legal. "Doc" is as likely to be a "doctor" as Palin is to have read a book in the last 6 months. If your mind and life are so distorted that you have been convinced that it is; you need to get out from in front of the television and go TRY and put some of that moral unequivalency into real works.
The simple facts are that the last 20 years have seen the greatest concentration of wealth in the smallest numbers of people in our history. This has been achieved by financial crimes (i.e. the Savings & Loan sting, Ivan Boesky, Micheal Milkin, BCCI, and NOW the sub-prime scam) orchestrated by the true economic elite and abetted by the the Republican dominated legislature. Stop being delusional and embrace the only future that might make a difference for YOU.
Posted by: Buck | Nov 4, 2008 3:33:04 PM
mccainfan ----------- Its a pity that you are delusional. I really wish that someone can take you by hand to visit a therapist right now, cos i can figure that you are nut and getting nuttier. You need a psychiatrist
Posted by: kho | Nov 4, 2008 3:33:45 PM
Anita darling -- You my friend are very ignorant. He attended in 2006 as a keynote speaker on immigration reform. Show me the facts on 500,000...I need to see that. At this point, I am looking forward to Osama (oops Freudian slip) wrecking American in 4 years so that we don't have to hear his name anymore and we can get somebody better suited in there. I do not follow any certain strict party lines...I have voted Democratic many times before. However, I would NEVER vote for somebody who continually has put down America like he and his wife have done and yes... he has palled around with terrorist....remember everything you have typed today when our country gets attacked!
Posted by: mccainfan | Nov 4, 2008 3:46:09 PM
I just got finished working at a polling place supposed to be there for two and wound up staying for 3.5 and then it's back again after an hour off.
It is wonderful and gratifying to speak with people who so much want to speak about Obama whether they are democrats, republicans or independents. And everyone want to speak Presidential not local government -- people are engaged and proud to be voting in this election. And I am very gratified.
Posted by: paulet | Nov 4, 2008 3:46:41 PM
mccainfan ----------- Its a pity that you are delusional. I really wish that someone can take you by hand to visit a therapist right now, cos i can figure that you are nut and getting nuttier. You need a psychiatrist
Posted by: kho | Nov 4, 2008 3:51:34 PM
kho--if you are going to continue to copy and paste the same thing, could you please at least correct your illiterate words? Thank You!
Posted by: mccainfan | Nov 4, 2008 3:53:09 PM
mccainfan ----------- Its a pity that you are delusional. I really wish that someone can take you by hand to visit a therapist right now, cos i can figure that you are nut and getting nuttier. You need a psychiatrist
Posted by: kho | Nov 4, 2008 3:57:55 PM
I am determined to drive you nut. Thats what you want. Real nut that you are
Posted by: kho | Nov 4, 2008 4:00:29 PM
mccainfan ----------- Its a pity that you are delusional. I really wish that someone can take you by hand to visit a therapist right now, cos i can figure that you are nut and getting nuttier. You need a psychiatrist
Posted by: kho | Nov 4, 2008 4:01:09 PM
Number one, I am not your darling. Typical respond from a narrow-minded GOP follower. Keep up with the old and DISPELLED facts just to character-assasinate and never LEARN the real truths. I pity you for you know not what you do. Are you watching too much FOX? May I suggest MSNBC or ABC or CNN?
OR watch Rachel Maddow or Keith Olberman. Sounds like you need to chill and do some laughing. By the way, I am on Social Security and am a HIP grandmother.I do a LOT of reading and still working.
Have a glass of "WHINE" somewhere else!
Stop being so angry and learn to read the facts and truth and get off the old crap that is eating you up inside.
Posted by: Anita | Nov 4, 2008 4:01:40 PM
Thank you Anita, mccainfan is an idiot, narrow minded and a pig with lipstick. He doesn't need a wine, what he needs is a psychiatrist
Posted by: kho | Nov 4, 2008 4:05:42 PM
One thing that concerns me about this election that people somehow believe Obama comes in with a magic wand and he will say "shazam" and things will magically change. It won't!!! I think "changeZ" is going to seriously hurt this country and people will deeply regret voting for him quick enough. I didn't vote for him so it WON'T be on me. I voted for Barr as a protest to the ridiculous system we have now.
Hannah, great post. You are smart young woman and I wish more people your age have what you have. I wish you the best....
Posted by: Bill | Nov 4, 2008 4:07:22 PM
I was hoping that you could send me a link to one of these sites to show me his contributions...you know, facts!
You must not have read my earlier posts that I do not vote Republican, I vote for the best candidate. In fact, I voted for Bill Clinton twice...I am embrassed to say it, but I did.
I also love how fox would not report it right but all of your leftists media outlets would be correct...hmmm.. what does that say about you?
I am now officially leaving work (yes, I do work and don't expect handouts) and I will go home to my family (yes, I do support my family). I will not wait for a President to hand me money. I believe in making the most of myself, without depending on others. This is where you and I disagree!
Posted by: mccainfan | Nov 4, 2008 4:07:39 PM
McCain lover-----------
You really sound so condecending in the tone I am picking up. Did I not say you are arrogant? Do you wear boots and a ten gallon hat?
Tell me you love Bush and what he has done to this country--starting with the war???????????
Posted by: Anita | Nov 4, 2008 4:08:21 PM
I don't think anybody LOVES WAR? The funny thing is that if you ask people in the military they will tell you we are doing the right thing too.
Tonight when you lay your head on your pillow and have FREEDOM, you should be thinking all of the men and women that fight for our country. You take waaaay too much for granted.
P.S. Has Obama ever said that he would not continue the war? Maybe you should check your facts Anita?
Posted by: mccainfan | Nov 4, 2008 4:11:33 PM
mccainfan ----------- Yet you remain very poor, please go home to you loving family and let them teach you some good sense of responsibility and judgement
Posted by: kho | Nov 4, 2008 4:12:55 PM
When you retire, IF you retire, you will get Social Security---maybe. I worked all my life and if I were your boss, I would fire you for being on this blog all damned day. Company time and computer. Put that in you ten gallon hat.
Go home to you family and I hope your wife works also to support you because if your boss is keeping tabs you may not have a job!
BY BY NOW, JOE 6 PACK!
wink wink
Posted by: Anita | Nov 4, 2008 4:14:18 PM
I OWN MY OWN BUSINESS SO I DO WHATEVER I WANT!!!!!! HAHA!
Posted by: mccainfan | Nov 4, 2008 4:15:06 PM
Hahahahahaha another joe the plumber, i hope you have your taxes up to date.
Posted by: kho | Nov 4, 2008 4:16:54 PM
spoken like a true Democrat...I have to since Osama is about to hike them out of sight!
Posted by: mccainfan | Nov 4, 2008 4:17:43 PM
I don't take anything for granted. I was born during WWII and lived it so don't tell me about war. This is another subject. Every man in my family have served in the armed forces so please don't even go there with me.
Posted by: Anita | Nov 4, 2008 4:17:52 PM
Republicans like mccainfan are better of as comedians just as your hero McCain/Palin are political joker
Posted by: kho | Nov 4, 2008 4:19:34 PM
I owned two business so HA HA to you too. This is getting like a high school note being passed around.
Posted by: Anita | Nov 4, 2008 4:19:49 PM
Mccainfan do you know that your hero has been listed... Guess for what? lying all the time
Posted by: kho | Nov 4, 2008 4:22:45 PM
Reguardless of all the talk, at the end of the day,especially today, we are all Americans and proud of our country. It needs a lot of work and time to fix it so if we all work together we can do it. Support our troops.Live a good life and love and for God's sake,Laugh!
It is good for the soul!My work is done here! Tootles!
Posted by: Anita | Nov 4, 2008 4:26:22 PM
will someone please!! tell elizabeth on the view to shut up!! nobdy casre if she like mcshame she is stupid !! I would love to see her eat crow tomorrow if BO wins
Posted by: j jackson | Nov 4, 2008 4:28:55 PM
In 1993 after the collapse of comunism Wolfowitz & Powell co-authored a whitepaper which addressed what the US should do with it's "global military advantage". Their considered reccommendation was that we should use it to "project US influence into the world, to secure our necessary raw materials and resources" (i.e. oil). Everything that has transpired from that point to this day has been toward that as an end state.
The war is a contrived fake. And I'd like a show of hands from those of you who would have agreed to sacrifice a single son or daughter of America in the cause of Iraqi freedom.
Like so many, McCainfan is typically ignorant of any context beyond his mastubatory rightist fantasy world of Jack Bauer's and revenge against people he knows nothing about. Obama's campaign is about the maturing of the American concept. Let us grasp the idea that race doesn't matter, because there are much bigger issues at stake, BECAUSE so many millions have been deluded into thinking that "stem cells" and "gay marriage" are meaningful campaign issues.
And as for continuing the war, if we withdraw, the war will stop. Since the war began, we have "lost" $12B in cash, "misplaced" 100,000 fully automatic weapons, and 20,000 heay machine guns, AND allowed a warehouse with FOUR HUNDRED TONS of high explosives to be looted. This is simply our funding and arming the people we are pretending to battle so that the pretext can continue. I suggest those who want to question the "facts" look THOSE facts up and comment if they are NOT absolutely correct.
If this were a just world Bush and Cheney would be at the Hague awaiting sentencing for war crimes.
Posted by: Buck | Nov 4, 2008 4:37:56 PM
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/lost-12-billion-of-your-money-in-iraq/1299781124
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/08/06/iraq.weapons/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/25/iraq.explosives/index.html
Posted by: Buck | Nov 4, 2008 4:45:39 PM
Rick,
So, the long process draws down to one night. As many have pointed out, we need to wait for results, but the hypothetical you posited is an important issue. The big question, is how Obama might govern if elected. His campaign has been unique, and unlike many others he does not owe a debt to the DNC and D leadership. Given that, he may have the "mandate" to govern as he sees fit. Biden may have alluded to that in his comments of "you won't believe where we are in the polls" and "questioning at first, if we are right."
That said, he may owe some political debts to organized Labor as well as MoveOn. The question of his character will be how he handles such things. I have to admit, I've been a bit disappointed that Obama spent much of the last two months being more of a politician and less of a visionary. I hope he has just been bowing to political realities to pull votes from the center and will feel empowered to to bring real change to Washington. I am, however, wary of complete Dem control of the pursestrings.
Posted by: Kevin | Nov 4, 2008 6:09:14 PM
Republicans have heart. When the country falls apart in four years the Republican candidate will get to go up against Hillary Clinton as the Democratic candidate in 2012. We will have our day against Hillary in 2012 when Obama creates a socialist country here. Democrats you may win tonights battle, but you will lose America as you know her today.
Posted by: Rick | Nov 4, 2008 6:14:48 PM
mccainfan, you asked "Who can you name that is shady who is assoicated with McCain!!!!"
Charles Keating
Rick Davis
ACORN (McCain was the keynote speaker at their 2006 annual rally)
John Hagee (the televangelist who believes the devastation of New Orleans was the punishment of God for gay rights. McCain has since repudiated Hagee's endorsement, but this is likely why he didn't attack Obama on Rev. Wright - he's got his own Rev. Wright skeleton)
Posted by: Black Lawyer | Nov 4, 2008 6:34:25 PM
Hooray to black power.The black is finally coming home to roost.Everything will be black....black administration,black 'white house',black america.It is easier to paint black over white than white over black.So the black administration will usher in the 'change to black' effects across the board.Long live president Obama,long live all the black.Down with all the white stupid fools and idiots.
Posted by: BlackTiger | Nov 4, 2008 6:54:39 PM
Thank you Black Lawyer!
In this country, you are a lawyer, and be proud. WE are all Americans.I am a white female, an American that is proud
to have voted for Barack Obama!
OBAMA-08
Posted by: Anita | Nov 4, 2008 6:55:28 PM
Let us not get carried away BLACK TIGER
Predjudices is what causes grief in America. We all have to work together and be responsible for our own actions.If everyone monitered their own life this country would be in a better shape.
Together. Isn't that what Obama wants us to do? UNITY! Just because our race differs, we as human beings, are more of the same than you may think.
Posted by: Anita | Nov 4, 2008 7:01:27 PM
As of 7:15pm EST, CNN has the best bellwether county of the country (Vigo County in Indiana) going to Obama 56% (versus McCain 43%. This is with 91% of precincts reporting. There's not enough votes left for McCain to catch up. Either Vigo has it wrong this time, or we're headed for an Obama victory.
Posted by: Brian | Nov 4, 2008 7:26:42 PM
I'm a Obama supporter and I really hope that people see that change is greatly needed in this country. I'm an African-American grad student and his issues on education are exactly what we need to make sure that our education system is providing for all school districts and I just love what Obama stands for and Michelle ROCKS!!! Hopefully other people can see that CHANGE is definitely what we need!!!!
OBAMA 08!!!!!!!!!! Go GATORS!!!!
Posted by: Ms. Jacobs | Nov 4, 2008 7:35:27 PM
I normally vote Republician but consider myself a moderate. I had to vote Barrack Obama. He is the ideal U.S. citizen. He is of multicultural background. He is a perfect representation of multicultural heritage of the U.S. He is a man who has worked hard without wealth or a complete family unit and has been successful. He took the "American Opporunity" and made it a reality. His temperment is what we need as a leader. His world perspective is what we need in this global economy. His diplomatic manner is what we need to gain our reputation back in the world community. We all should feel honored that such an intelligent man of change will be our next leader! There are exciting, positive changes ahead!
Posted by: Jennifer | Nov 4, 2008 10:11:59 PM
Black Lawyer- Its great that we Americans elected a President that is Black/White. Any American should be proud, but as others have stated, now is not the time to start preaching anti-anything, its a time to come together. I'm white, my wife black and our daughter mixed, she looks way more like me, and my wife is very dark. So please use dignity and respect, much like President Obama has. Together, Yes We Can.
Posted by: Lrg | Nov 5, 2008 12:00:09 AM
Everyone needs to brush off the old chips on the shoulder and start becoming a "WE" instead of "ME".
If we want this change to work, that means everyone, no matter the skin color, has to put old predijices in the garbage and start fresh, working together. Barack wants Americans, not divided Americans. We need to forge forward and not go back to the 50's and 60's way of thinking. Today is the first day for the rest of "OUR" lives.
Posted by: Anita | Nov 5, 2008 8:49:03 AM
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