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Will GM Seek Cash from the UAW?
October 21, 2008 7:00 AM
ABC News' Alice Gomstyn reports: There are signs that the credit market is thawing, but that doesn’t mean it will be easy for General Motors to get the cash it needs to finance a merger with Chrysler.
“We can’t finance consumer car loans for now, so how they will find the financing for this, I don’t know,” said Kristin Dziczek, the senior project manager of the Economics and Business Group at the Center for Automotive Research.
The Wall Street Journal, citing unnamed sources, reported Monday that GM has had trouble attracting
investors, despite the automaker’s pitch that a merger would help the combined company save as much as $10 billion. (Neither GM nor Chrysler have confirmed that they are in merger talks.)
Some of the savings, presumably, would come from job cuts, but Dziczek said that GM would also need money to fund severance packages for the workers who lose their jobs. In addition, she said, GM may need money to defend itself from litigation: if a GM-Chrysler merger results in the discontinuation of certain auto brands, dealers who sell those brands may sue.
Exactly where might GM go to secure the funds it needs? Dziczek suggested a surprising source -- the United Auto Workers. Starting in 2010, the union is supposed to receive billions from GM and Chrysler to fund retiree health care. If GM is late on its payments, she said, it would have to pay a 9 percent interest rate.
If GM delays its payments and later pays the 9 percent rate, Dziczek said, the company would, in effect, be borrowing from itself at a lower rate than it could ever find at a bank.
Of course, such an arrangement would need the UAW’s blessing, and there’s the catch: The UAW has already come out against a merger. If the union changed its mind and agreed to not only support the merger but also to help finance it, GM might have to scale down on merger-related job cuts.
For example, the UAW likely won’t agree to help if the merger “wipes out all the Chrysler workers,” Dziczek said.
There is another financing option: the government.
Last month, Congress approved $25 billion in low-cost loans for the auto industry. Dziczek said she wasn’t ruling out the possibility that there’d be more in the way of such aid.
But Michigan Rep. Thaddeus McCotter, whose district includes many auto industry employees, said the government won’t step in to the help aid the merger unless it’s asked …and no one’s asked yet.
“It would be imprudent for the federal government to try to stick its nose into these merger talks if the parties have not made any reference to the federal government coming in,” he said.
October 21, 2008 | Permalink | User Comments (35)
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Maybe they can ask the Fed to print a few more billions out of thin air (like they've been doing all along).
Too bad when the schools need more money to educate our children they can't just print it out of thin air like they did for the Wall Street honchos. Next time the government tells you there is no money to do this or that, remember there is no amount too big for Wall Street...
Government by the people for the people? You must be joking dude!
Posted by: helgerri | Oct 21, 2008 8:05:08 AM
Here we go again. Another layer in an ever expanding "house of cards" of our financial condition. The employees should plan on and expect to never receive the money they give back to GM to finance buying GM. Only a fool would think this is a good deal in todays precarious environment.
Posted by: Bob Retired | Oct 21, 2008 8:10:41 AM
I'm not sure the UAW has the money but if they do, that might actually be a good idea. It would certainly mean GM car building would stay in the US.
In the alternative, they could ask the Obama campaign for a loan. :)
Posted by: Melissa | Oct 21, 2008 8:59:58 AM
I can see it now. Another major company with it's hand out asking for more of our money. If autos weren't so overpriced maybe we'd be more likely to buy them, and if the quality of GM and Chrysler compared to Toyota, Nissan, Mazda, we'd be more likely to buy from them. They are poorly made and engineered. I had a mercury that I bought new, and after only 38,000 miles, it was falling apart, but my camry bought new, I had 280,000 miles before I sold it and it still ran great. No comparison in the quality.
Posted by: mom | Oct 21, 2008 9:02:07 AM
It is really simple, we are losing so many jobs overseas and we as American's refuse to stop the bleeding. When I drive down the street about every third car is American made. The Japanese and Korean's have us duped into believing that their cars are superior to ours. That simply is not true. If you are truly worried about the economy BUY AMERICAN!!! They are beating us at our own game. Their cars are now made here with prfits going back there. In the late seventies Reagan slapped tariffs on Jap bikes over 700cc's, we can't do something like that now because their plants are here. So keep buying foreign cars and when you lose your job, don't blame GM or Chrysler.
Posted by: Sean | Oct 21, 2008 9:02:35 AM
GM wouldn't need a bail out if they had just made FUEL EFFICEIENT VEHICLES!!! HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: DobermanSpencer | Oct 21, 2008 9:37:16 AM
I love GM and I hope they make it through the rough!
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Posted by: heather | Oct 21, 2008 9:55:01 AM
I think GM also should focus on the affordable mini electric vehicles like Germany, Japan to attract investors. It seems the electric vehicles are going to be mainstream. Over time they can be upgraded to both cheap and spacious ones like laptop.
Posted by: 상율 한 | Oct 21, 2008 10:00:05 AM
Just take it out of the $700 B check we wrote our uncle....
Posted by: disgusted | Oct 21, 2008 10:02:29 AM
Sorry folks but the Unions golden age of the 70's is long dead. The reason the American cars are a distant last in quality and cost the same in many cases as imports is simple. The unions did this to themselves by forcing companies to pay the un-educated $30/hr, plus benefits, plus pension, to do simple work. People need to start being paid what they're worth not what the union says they're entitled to or use more automation. Unskilled labour is a dead trade which has moved off-shore and it's long over due. The big three need to go bankrupt and be reborn from the ashes with intelligent and reliable designs without the union BS.
Posted by: Dan | Oct 21, 2008 10:17:19 AM
okay, "mom", a mercury is not a GM product, its manufactored by Ford, as is Mazada. GM produces the following: GMC, Chevy, Hummer, Saturn, and Caddies (there are more, I'm sure, I just can't name off the top of my head).
Yes they are asking for a handout, but unlike wallstreet, it isn't there fault that the economy tanked. We need the aut- industry. They supply alot of jobs here to Americans and if the gov't doesn't help, bankrupcy and/or the lose of these jobs will not help our current economic situation.
Posted by: a sane voice | Oct 21, 2008 10:24:32 AM
If you think the unions distroyed the big three, wait until Obama gets in. He has promised the unions to support thier bill. "The Employee's Free Choice Act" This will strip away the secret ballot so unions can strong arm there way into companys. That is wyh Wal-mart told thier employees that if Obama gets elected there would be major job cuts.
Posted by: year of the goat | Oct 21, 2008 10:45:27 AM
Big Oil!!! Why not ask the big oil companies with their $96billion profit from one quarter to throw $100 at the auto industrie? Oh yeah...they will specify that the money NOT be used for anything except "Interstate Gas Guzzling SUVs and Trucks"!!
Posted by: DobermanSpencer | Oct 21, 2008 10:54:17 AM
i do not know why the media continues to mislead the public. the second paragraph states consumers cannot get car loans. that is so NOT true. as a finance manager i help consumers obtain car loans on a daily basis, good credit or bad credit. guess alice needs to get her facts straight before she misinforms the public again.
Posted by: BRENDA | Oct 21, 2008 10:55:58 AM
Sean is correct; we have been duped into believing that American built cars are inferior. We build as good a car as any country on earth. My parents and yours help to fund the research and developing of the automobile as we know it today. The Japanese said thank you AMERICA for all that hard work we will just steal it and make our cars from all of you R&D. The Japanese are now having the same thing happen to them by Korea. The next in line to steal technology will be the Chinese! GM, Ford and Chrysler gave employees a good deal in the form of good wages and benefits. They now have a generation of retirees that are collecting and the Japanese are yet to reach that situation. Who do you think will pay for the care of all those people that will lose benefits because we buy foreign cars, YOU! If you have a compelling reason for some functionality that cannot be attained in an American car then you should buy American.
Posted by: GaryL | Oct 21, 2008 10:56:23 AM
you, "an insane voice"... learn the language first, and then go post your aberrations online... get it, Mazada??
Posted by: one who hates idiots | Oct 21, 2008 11:01:23 AM
I always drove Chryslers and every single one of them the engines blew right after the warranty (36,000 mi was up).
In 2002 I was going to buy another one and my son said just go look at the Hyndais. Well I ended up buying a Sonata still have it((93,000 mi & still under warranty) ,bought a Accent for the kid and my husband bought a Santa Fe. Sorry the cars are great! Can't beat the warranty and next year will be buying a new car and guess what it will not be an over priced, poor warranty Chysler,GMC or Ford. Most foreign cars are made here in US anyways.
So start making cars that are not a piece of junk so I will change my mine and go US next year.
Posted by: cissy55 | Oct 21, 2008 11:20:28 AM
In my life I owned several cars, some Japanese some American. As far as fuel economy and re-sell value I would vote for Japanese. As far as quality the American cars came a long way and they are not so bad anymore but why would you buy a car that after 2 years will lose half of its value unless you plan on driving the same car forever.
As for the Unions ( I'm in the Union myself ), it is true some workers are way overpaid and are not skilled at all and maybe that's what's killing the American Auto Business.
Posted by: fuel saver | Oct 21, 2008 11:20:44 AM
I think neither company should sell to the other one. Why not start to manufacture some cars that will get the public's attention for a change? How about something much smaller than their current offerings with a lot better gas mileage? All it would take would be one "Prius" type to change their direction for the better. Both companies could offer an alternative to the ugly Prius and make a killing. Why is there no talk about such a project in the works? Merger? We don't need a monopoly on the BIG 3 car manufacturers which would be the BIG 2 if a merger took place. I do not support such a venture.
Posted by: Mitsy | Oct 21, 2008 11:29:22 AM
Same place they always do. Closing down place they always do. Sacrificing places in the US for some town that sprung up overnight in an other country for cheep labor. The CEOs like maintaining their "Lifestyle", while the workers have always had judge their necessities and luxuries.
Posted by: scott mccowan | Oct 21, 2008 11:47:14 AM
Sure, we are a two car family Camry / Civic. Never been more pleased with
quality and performance. Prior to this owned a variey of American cars, most
of them appealed to the eye. Lesson learned, pocket appeal and durability takes priority.
Unions have priced cars out of sight with all of their "benefit" packages for workers and it goes on and on.
Unfortunatly the quality of workmanship does not keep pace.
I'd be most anxious to buy American if the price were reasonable and quality of workmanship were reliable.and the manufacturers, unions and car dealers did more than stuff their own pockets
at my expense.
Final note .... truck clearance taking place by dealers here in Texas..How is it possible to "save" $10,000 or get $5,000 - $8,000 "cash back" when it's ones own money to start with?
Posted by: Chet Corey | Oct 21, 2008 12:03:32 PM
I work for a Chrysler dealer...just a disclaimer.
"One who hate idiots" Yeah, Chrysler did have lots of engine and tranny problems. Right now though they still have the lifetime powertrain warranty on most vehicles.
Now if they'd just build some fuel efficient ones to try and sell....
I don't see what the merger/buy out would gain.
Both companies have too much production capacity. Too many dealerships. To many cross-brand vehicles. Declining marketshare. I really don't see what could be gained by this. *shrug*
Posted by: Paul | Oct 21, 2008 12:09:22 PM
I work for a Chrysler dealer...just a disclaimer.
"One who hate idiots" Yeah, Chrysler did have lots of engine and tranny problems. Right now though they still have the lifetime powertrain warranty on most vehicles.
Now if they'd just build some fuel efficient ones to try and sell....
I don't see what the merger/buy out would gain.
Both companies have too much production capacity. Too many dealerships. To many cross-brand vehicles. Declining marketshare. I really don't see what could be gained by this. *shrug*
Posted by: Paul | Oct 21, 2008 12:09:25 PM
I have owned Chevy, Mercurys, and alot of Mopars-I drive a Sebring convertible now with 115,000-it has been wonderful, we also have a Honda Odyessey 112,000-that has been one expense after another, any service costs twice as much as the big three, had a Audi that almost bankrupted me. There are good and bad cars in both. I agree America has to make better gas mileage. I will continue to buy American and I'm also Union-all industries or not benefit from the hard work of Union leaders to make the work place a better place, if you don't believe that-you better re-address your History lessons. If you want to go back to before Unions happened go over seas and work.
Posted by: Betty | Oct 21, 2008 12:24:44 PM
I cannot believe the ignorance of some of you people regarding today's auto industry. You all need to take a close look at what the domestic auto manufacturers have done lately.
First, as for quality - take a look at any quality survey from the last 3-4 years. There is very little difference in quality from top to bottom – often a matter of a few problems per 100 vehicles. Overall quality for all makes has improved dramatically from 10 years ago. As for differences between domestics & imports – you cannot categorically say one is better than the other. Here are some FACTS:
2008 JD Powers Initial Quality Study (http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/news/releases/pressrelease.aspx?ID=2008063):
Best Midsize Car – Chevrolet (GM) Malibu (beat Honda Accord, Hyundai Sonata, Mazda 6, Nissan Altima, Toyota Camry, & Volkswagen Passat)
Large Car – Pontiac (GM) Grand Prix (beat Nissan Maxima & Toyota Avalon)
Of course the domestics dominate the Truck/SUV categories as well – I won’t list all those.
Or if you prefer, 2008 JD Powers 3 Year Dependability Study Rankings (http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/news/releases/pressrelease.aspx?ID=2008115):
1 Lexus, 2 Mercury (Ford), 3 Cadillac (GM), 4 Toyota, 5 Acura, 6 Buick (GM)
Or how about
2008 Motor Trend Car of the Year – Cadillac (GM) CTS
2007 North America Car of the Year – Saturn (GM) Aura
2007 North American Truck of the Year – Chevrolet (GM) Silverado
So don’t be spewing the same old misconceptions about quality because the facts don’t support your venom towards the domestic manufacturers.
To “one who hates idiots” – Uhmm, Chrysler has a lifetime powertrain warranty, GM has 100,000 mile powertrain warranty, not sure what Ford’s is. Do you think these automakers would offer these long warranties on their powertrains if they are going to “blow up” after 36,000 miles? Of course not, the quality is there to back up these warranties and vice/versa.
To “fuel saver” – You wonder if anyone has an electric car “in the works”? Where have you been?! GM is developing the electric Volt and will beat Toyota/Honda/etc. to the market with a purely electric (no hybrid) vehicle.
I don’t understand how people can be so bitter towards the domestic auto industry that represents such a huge footprint in the American economy and landscape. This industry cannot be allowed to fail (while at the same time we are bailing out Wall Street/Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac/AIG?). And some of these comments regarding the domestic auto industry are irresponsible and untrue.
Posted by: think before you post | Oct 21, 2008 1:12:59 PM
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