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Closing Arguments: Your Thoughts on Four Dollar Gas
June 09, 2008 10:31 PM
The average price for gas in this country is now over four dollars a gallon. But it’s not just the United States that's hurting. Tens of thousands of truckers in Spain, France and Portugal are protesting fuel prices by blocking roadways, even smashing windshields. It's hard to believe it could get any higher -- but what do you think?
June 9, 2008 | Permalink | User Comments (141)
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my first concern is who is making all the money follow the trail.-----next why after approx 40 years since oil embargo 1972 i cannot believe do we not have far more efficient vehicles--we can get from other countryies but run into all kinds of government roadblocks---if a country as brazil can do away with foreign dependance--why cannot the usa--government is too involved in everything with worthless controlls and has never invested enough in alternate fuels--now we have no other choice as we are facing economic ruin.
Posted by: rodney | Jun 9, 2008 10:49:20 PM
It will go higher; plan for the flood so you don't drown.
On the other hand, it is clearly a bubble in the making. It's probably safe to short oil at $150/barrel but I'll probably wait until $175/barrel.
Posted by: MIguy | Jun 9, 2008 10:49:25 PM
I would like to know what have our Political leaders been doing before we had a Presidential race? We rely on the people we vote for to look after our interests and we always find that all too often its their own interests their looking after? Somebody sold the American people out, how did we get so dependent on foreign oil? All our leaders do is talk about it during campaigns, and as soon as their elected they cave in to special interests leaving the American people feeling out in the cold.Personally I have had enough of Politicians, enough talk lets see some action!
Posted by: Karen | Jun 9, 2008 10:51:18 PM
It Stinks....peoples salaries are not keeping up with the high prices at the pump. Something has to give before a civil war starts in the United States over oil prices.
Posted by: C Harrison | Jun 9, 2008 10:52:43 PM
We should be drilling in ANWR and off both coasts. I hope everyone now sees the need for an active energy program. If they don't see the need I hope they will get a picture of the porcupine caribou and gaze at it dreamily when they pay their bills.
Posted by: Spugee | Jun 9, 2008 10:56:00 PM
karen
we had cars in the fifties that got around 40 to 45 miles per gallon this when gas was 27 cents a gallon yet todad 30 mpg is supposed to be super.
what a crock the oil companies have controlled our government as do other special interests
Posted by: rodney | Jun 9, 2008 10:56:27 PM
spugee
we need better fuel mileage and alternate fuels as oil is a limited fuel source
Posted by: rodney | Jun 9, 2008 10:58:13 PM
The problem is not the oil companies, its all those fat little do nothing politicians in Washington getting in the way of the people that make things happen.
Posted by: Spugee | Jun 9, 2008 10:59:17 PM
it is called political prostitution plain and simple
Posted by: rodney | Jun 9, 2008 11:01:02 PM
Rodney, you sound like an econerd. Why don't you wish in one hand and poop in the other and tell me which one fills up first.
Posted by: Spugee | Jun 9, 2008 11:01:18 PM
Gas prices are a part of the cost of Iraq War:
Aside from the over 4,000 dead and tens of thousands of US troops injured--let alone their "uninjured" relatives the flawed invasion has other costs.
One other example of the economic burden of the flawed invasion of Iraq. Our military presence in Iraq alone accounts for almost 10% of US consumption. Summarized from AP:
The U.S. consumes about 21 million of the world demand of 86 million barrels of oil per day.
The Defense Department is the nation's single largest user of energy. At 1.6 million gallons a day in Iraq, the war alone accounts for over 7.6% of US demand. If we were to account for total military, let alone government usage we would be over 10% at least.
Getting out of Iraq would cut our consumption almost 10% and likely cut prices too. Iraq is guaranteed consumption at this point.
There was no Al-Qaeda in Iraq until we went then and opened up the borders. Iran was a power but it was contained by Iraq. Sadam was a dictator with evil crazies related and working with him but his people didn't live in the hell that exists now or over the past few years.
[Put that in your pipe and smoke it.]
Posted by: Mr. Coffee | Jun 9, 2008 11:03:34 PM
spugee
if you had a car that gets 100 mpg it would be same as paying1.00 per gallon.
german company will produce a car diesel 120 to 157 mpg --try to bring it into this country--and yes it will run on vegi oil.all the drilling in alaska would put a bandaid on for approx 15 years.and then what
Posted by: rodney | Jun 9, 2008 11:06:56 PM
There are 65 years of known recoverable oil reserves in the 48 contiguous states. This does not include oil shale(150 years) or an elephant field just found in the Dakotas. It might lower the price per gallon if we used this.
Posted by: Spugee | Jun 9, 2008 11:07:23 PM
Rodney, if you want one, you buy one. Don't foist your fantasies on me.
Posted by: Spugee | Jun 9, 2008 11:09:05 PM
Mr Coffee, we are in Iraq, we are winning, and the price of oil has nothing to do with it. Refold your tin hat for a better fit.
Posted by: Spugee | Jun 9, 2008 11:11:19 PM
mr coffee
bush senior should have taken his son behind the woodshed when young----senior knew the consequenses if he invaded iraq--his son has proved he was right
Posted by: rodney | Jun 9, 2008 11:11:58 PM
I can walk to practically every place where I need to be. We WILL do so. In addition, I am using a motorcycle to get around. I just hate to see so many people suffering. It is not just lower class that is being affected. This is hurting middle-class America!
Posted by: Jessica | Jun 9, 2008 11:13:27 PM
spurge
what are you driving--one of those super trucks7 mpg.
Posted by: rodney | Jun 9, 2008 11:13:37 PM
Rodney, I try to increase my carbon footprint every day.
Posted by: Spugee | Jun 9, 2008 11:15:43 PM
go for it
Posted by: rodney | Jun 9, 2008 11:17:12 PM
How are we winning? By what measure? Are things better there than two years after we invaded? Yes. Before we invaded? No.
Is the Middle East safer because of the invasion? No.
Are we in danger of losing Afghanistan due to troops being misplaced in an ill-conceived war with an ad hoc battle plan. Yes.
BTW: How do you pronounce "Spugee" because it doesn't sound like a good screen name if you ask me.
Posted by: Mr. Coffee | Jun 9, 2008 11:19:56 PM
jessica
they call it supply and demand-------but i have yet to see a station out of gas ????????
Posted by: rodney | Jun 9, 2008 11:21:03 PM
Hussein,(the original, not Obama)was killing quite a few Iraqis which has stopped. So yes things are better than before we invaded.
On the Middle East, cite your source(a MSM will not do.
On Afghanistan, cite a source besides your opinion-and yes everybody has one of those too.
On Spugee, I didn't ask your opinion. You must be a good Democrat since you like to take care of everyone else's business.
Posted by: Spugee | Jun 9, 2008 11:27:12 PM
the only difference in iraq today is they are killing americans INSTEAD OF EACH OTHER something they have done for thousands of years
Posted by: rodney | Jun 9, 2008 11:30:45 PM
Rodney, you are fighting a battle of wits unarmed. What in the world is the point you were trying to make.
Posted by: Spugee | Jun 9, 2008 11:32:40 PM
Saddam Hussein was not killing Iraqis at nearly the rate they have been dying. The people there had electricity, gas, shelter and food. Sanitation was much better and most people did not live in fear of being kidnapped or attacked by packs of wild dogs. Christians could go to church on Sundays without fear of being blown up.
Speaking as if you know is not the same as knowing. But I give you points, Spugee, on your wit.
Posted by: MIguy | Jun 9, 2008 11:32:45 PM
iwas not talking to you wooden head
must have been hit on head when young making you a republican
Posted by: rodney | Jun 9, 2008 11:34:02 PM
MIguy, I'm back
Posted by: Sluggo | Jun 9, 2008 11:35:05 PM
Sluggo - genius wit as always - maybe I'll stay up after all.
Posted by: MIguy | Jun 9, 2008 11:36:13 PM
miguy
you cannot educate an idiot
Posted by: rodney | Jun 9, 2008 11:36:27 PM
I just hope it isn't Spoogee but Spug-ee is only slightly better.
Posted by: Mr. Coffee | Jun 9, 2008 11:38:39 PM
@rodney: although what you say is true, there are a few posters here who have an exceptional command of the english language. i admire their wit and i believe that their wordplay is done partly in jest; best not to take too much offense or them too seriously.
Posted by: MIguy | Jun 9, 2008 11:39:22 PM
where is spudeeg
mr potato head
Posted by: rodney | Jun 9, 2008 11:40:14 PM
Rodney, I agree with you. That Spugee appears to be a foul humored dolt. He doesn't appreciate your care for the enviroment. I don't think your stupid.
Posted by: Sluggo | Jun 9, 2008 11:41:02 PM
It's fairly simple-
If you belong to the backbone of any country , you're getting screwed.
Oddly, the brains all think that without the backbone, they can survive.
It trulu is disgusting- watching one unit of an essential bond be so disrespectful of what actually provided them their revenue and existence. EXISTENCE.
The comapnies are playing hardball. I say everyone stack up on some Spam and canned chicken and let those a holes figure out who needs who when we don't show up for work.
Life is about balance- the poor need the rich as much as THE RICH NEED THE POOR.
Whata bunch of idiots.
Posted by: Sally | Jun 9, 2008 11:41:49 PM
miguy you got that right--i get a few good laughs now and then.
Posted by: rodney | Jun 9, 2008 11:41:55 PM
Rodney, you are killing me with the name potato(e) head. Thats sparkling repartee'.
Posted by: Spugee | Jun 9, 2008 11:47:02 PM
Rodney, you are killing me with the name potato(e) head. Thats sparkling repartee'.
Posted by: Spugee | Jun 9, 2008 11:47:15 PM
sluggo
i do not have any idea as to how the runation of our country will stop-----between the arabs and oil along with china sucking the blood out of us--no jobs no money high prices wish i knew the answer--chinese wallmart still growing what will they do when they have it all.
Posted by: rodney | Jun 9, 2008 11:47:21 PM
i liked his comment about refolding the tin foil hat, Sluggo. the 'poop' in one hand and 'wish' in the other is a classic.
Posted by: MIguy | Jun 9, 2008 11:48:51 PM
Mr Coffee, you are a character from the Wizard of Oz-no brain.
Posted by: Spugee | Jun 9, 2008 11:49:10 PM
spugee
ha ha guess the shoe fits you wear it well
Posted by: rodney | Jun 9, 2008 11:49:18 PM
Rodney, the fix is simple, keep Congress in recess.
Posted by: Sluggo | Jun 9, 2008 11:51:11 PM
"you wear it well"-ARE YOU NAMED AFTER ROD STEWART? America wants to know.
Posted by: Spugee | Jun 9, 2008 11:56:46 PM
wish i had his money and a few of his broads--
Posted by: rodney | Jun 9, 2008 11:58:57 PM
thanks for the laughs - have a great night s&s.
Posted by: MIguy | Jun 9, 2008 11:59:34 PM
It is becoming apparent that drastic measures must be implemented to save, not only our economy, but world-wide starvation. Right now, our military uses as much oil as the country of Greece; 350,000 barrels of oil each and every day. Eighty-one million barrels are pumped out of the earth each day. It can only last just so long. Is it 5 years? Is it 7 years? It is high time that certain curtailments of unnecessary use of oil be implemented. Congress should immediately limit all frivolous flights of the military's airplanes and helicopters-pronto. This should include disbanding the Blue Angels and Thunderbirds and all air-shows until we can drill a bottomless oil pocket.
Posted by: Dilberth | Jun 10, 2008 12:01:05 AM
Adios
Posted by: Spugee | Jun 10, 2008 12:01:41 AM
I think the price of gas is going to continue to shoot up along with everyone's blood pressure. This will be a boon to the pharmaceutical industry, but it won't be passed on in any form or advantage to the consumer.
Posted by: katrina | Jun 10, 2008 12:04:57 AM
dilbert
ask yourself why there are no new nuclear power plants built in many years---the most enviroment safe power available----renewable fuels are very practical--solar and wind (finally being developed)we are 40 years behind and must catch up fast.
Posted by: rodney | Jun 10, 2008 12:06:06 AM
I think we should park the congressional limosines and make Obama walk to all his speeches carrying his teleprompter. The people should make Pelosi quit wearing petroleum based make-up and tell Harry Reid to direct his hot air toward electrical generation. We should also make the Air Force ride tricycles and make the navy paddle its boats. Now there is a well thought out solution.
Posted by: Spugee | Jun 10, 2008 12:08:17 AM
katrina
dont say that --as i understand willy clinton is a major player in the priscription drug industry--he aquired when president
Posted by: rodney | Jun 10, 2008 12:08:43 AM
spugee
i thought you left.
Posted by: rodney | Jun 10, 2008 12:10:06 AM
No, still a scurge on this blog.
Posted by: Spugee | Jun 10, 2008 12:12:10 AM
why are you not showing compressed air cars? why does the news not cover the posative possiblies of nuculear energy?. but seriously we never here of the compressed air cars yet they will be replacing combustion engines. Is it because our oil companies own our government and media? I watch a news report on Neil young putting an eletric engine in his 50's Thunderbird that had a small gas generator and went from 10 miles to the gallon to 100 and Aronold put a 40,000 engine in his hummer and when from 10 miles a gallon to 40. At the end of the report n oone asked what are they not coming out of detriot like that. WHY?
Posted by: Kraze E. Viking | Jun 10, 2008 12:15:22 AM
Was I just ignored by both Rep, and Dems or was my post just not noteworthy enough to cause a ruckus and incite banter?
LET ME KNOW LET ME KNOW-
I can tone it down or amp it up, but for my post to be ignored shows that the ISSUES ARE BEING IGNORED.
Hope that incites ya! Once you respond, I'm going to bed-
Obama 08
Posted by: Sally | Jun 10, 2008 12:15:22 AM
It's over. The prices will continue to go up and we are no longer able to control our own government. We are at the mercy of other countries...they cut the oil supply off and we die. Not literally, but our economy dies.
I think we need some new interventions and the USA needs to change it's attitudes. Stop buying stupid hummers and freaking cars that can float if you drive in the river.
It's over though...our economy is crashing and its more than oil...but its a big factor.
Posted by: Zack | Jun 10, 2008 12:15:54 AM
sally
be quiet or get your butt kicked
Posted by: rodney | Jun 10, 2008 12:18:06 AM
I repeat. Drill in ANWR and off both coasts. If you disagree think of me laughing at you when you pay your bill at the pump.
Posted by: Spugee | Jun 10, 2008 12:19:15 AM
zack
we have had 40 years to do it too much government interferancce and red tape--plus oil prostitution---oil lobby
Posted by: rodney | Jun 10, 2008 12:20:42 AM
The problem is the fools that people send to Congress. It is an old saw that the people get the Senator and Representative they deserve.
Posted by: Spugee | Jun 10, 2008 12:23:13 AM
spugee
buy a bike for two --and live with or marry a very strong broad-keep peddeling
Posted by: rodney | Jun 10, 2008 12:23:18 AM
Rodney, do not worry for me, I don't believe the sh*t that congress promotes that says it not their fault.
Posted by: Spugee | Jun 10, 2008 12:25:57 AM
i would like to have some of the bribes paid out by oil lobby----i could then afford high speed internet
Posted by: rodney | Jun 10, 2008 12:28:25 AM
Government makes more per gallon than the oil companies. Does that lead any of you deep thinkers to the correct answer?
Posted by: Spugee | Jun 10, 2008 12:28:56 AM
Rodney-
I hope that post was comical, because I'd hate to think you'd attack an ally-
Wo do you support politically? Just say it in balck and white for me, so I know where I stand.
Posted by: Sally | Jun 10, 2008 12:30:25 AM
cost the arabs 2.00 per barrel to produce---where is all the money going--a few more millionairs before bushy gets out
Posted by: rodney | Jun 10, 2008 12:31:26 AM
sally me to
the old gesers have got to go---and i am not young by any means.
Posted by: rodney | Jun 10, 2008 12:33:15 AM
Rodney, if you are right (which remains to be seen) have Congress get after the Arabs. When they are finished laughing, tell me how you want to heat your house next winter.
Posted by: Spugee | Jun 10, 2008 12:34:10 AM
I agee with you Sally. Let's talk real issues and real solutions we could be off oil right now if our goverment wanted us to be. the solution is not to stay on oil its alternatives. They are here they are now. but our government does not want us off oil. brazil is off oil because their goverment made it happen. why are energy meetings closed door meetings? really ruins it that people are fighting like kids on here instead of talking real issues and real solutions compressed air cars can charge by plugging into a wall socket for 4 hours and go 200 miles. and its just the beginning of the techology Niucular energy is 50 years safer than when we last tried and has too major byproducts. steam for desalinazaion of water and hydrogen for many engery purposed. france has safe neucular energy. we can reuse the rods now. our government is owned by big oil
Posted by: Kraze E. Viking | Jun 10, 2008 12:35:54 AM
I know I should proof ready my stuff sorry
Posted by: Kraze E. Viking | Jun 10, 2008 12:36:54 AM
spugee
i heat my house with coal----and bushy even tryed kissing arab butt and got nowhere.someone suggested trading food for oil
Posted by: rodney | Jun 10, 2008 12:37:04 AM
spugee
i heat my house with coal----and bushy even tryed kissing arab butt and got nowhere.someone suggested trading food for oil
Posted by: rodney | Jun 10, 2008 12:37:55 AM
I repeat. Drill in ANWR and off both coasts. If you disagree think of me laughing at you when you pay your bill at the pump.
Posted by: Spugee | Jun 10, 2008 12:19:15 AM
$4 gas is what you get when you have two oil men bush/cheney running America invading Iraq under false pretense creating disruption in the oil supply. What's more surprising some idiots still support those two and their lies.
Bottom line, the Iraq war is the biggest tax increase ever placed on Americans. Think about it, the republicans have created a mess that has resulted in extreme fuel and food cost other ills to numerous to mention. A case could be made that voting for a republican is unpatriotic.
Posted by: LG | Jun 10, 2008 12:38:18 AM
A national referendum on term limits would help get our governement back. The same people do the state referendum's each time and know how to do it so one could contact them all and work towards a national referendum for term limits. Its a realistic possibility
Posted by: Kraze E. Viking | Jun 10, 2008 12:41:07 AM
Yes, once again we have the conspiracy of the Trilateral Commission Blah,Blah, Blah. We can run our autos on pig waste if only BIG OIL would let us. We can take corn away from our food stock and live happily forever on Lolipop Lane.
A reminder, we live in the real world.
Posted by: Spugee | Jun 10, 2008 12:41:40 AM
kraze
we had a fast breathing reactor built i believe in the sixties---uses spent rods fron conventional nuke plants--there is enough around to power our country for 1000 years-----carter had it shut dowd due to pressure from greenpiece--slick willy had it dismantled--now we need to know WHY
Posted by: rodney | Jun 10, 2008 12:42:50 AM
The solution is simple and will not be done while an oilman is president. Tell the saudi's good luck defending yourself. We are pulling out of our Saudi base and you are on your own to defend yourself unless you start speeding up production of oil or we will deal with whoever takes over your country. Believe me they will cooperate. Iraq we are pulling out of there unless compensated for securiity we are providing at one billion a week in security and rebuilding. Iraq is the 2nd largest oil producing nation give us oil in exchange. Build nuclear power plants now. Hell the world could use a few more homer simpsons LOL
Posted by: charles craig | Jun 10, 2008 12:44:16 AM
LG, you obviously just started thinking about this issue. Bush/Cheney have nothing to do with Congress screwing this up for 30 years.
Posted by: Spugee | Jun 10, 2008 12:44:38 AM
spugee
the food part of corn is not used to make fuel--just more bs to discourage production-----how many gas stations do you see with biofuel
Posted by: rodney | Jun 10, 2008 12:45:05 AM
You will be walking everywhere before the Arabs cave.
Posted by: Spugee | Jun 10, 2008 12:46:21 AM
Corn uses as much energy to produce as it makes.
Posted by: Spugee | Jun 10, 2008 12:47:27 AM
arabs now have chinese market to supply
Posted by: rodney | Jun 10, 2008 12:47:51 AM
yes I said we did 50 years ago. but technology has changed so has safety. thats my point we should be relooking at this and compressed air cars are really here. they are coming online in India France and austrialia this fall. lets see if our goverment let's them in here.
Posted by: Kraze E. Viking | Jun 10, 2008 12:48:03 AM
switch grass is eleven times more efficent to make into ethanol than corn and its not a food source.
Posted by: Kraze E. Viking | Jun 10, 2008 12:49:38 AM
and that is why we should develop our own oil.
Posted by: Spugee | Jun 10, 2008 12:49:48 AM
cuba is a major producer of sugar cane--would be a good supply for fuel production----however they are communist and we have embargo against them--WHAT THE HELL ARE THE CHINESE
Posted by: rodney | Jun 10, 2008 12:50:40 AM
Viking, tell me, how is your compressed air car working out?
Posted by: Spugee | Jun 10, 2008 12:51:01 AM
Why doesn't congress take the tariff off imported sugar?
Posted by: Spugee | Jun 10, 2008 12:52:07 AM
The answer is congress follows its money.
Posted by: Spugee | Jun 10, 2008 12:53:33 AM
GUESS CASTRO WONT PAY THEM OFF
Posted by: rodney | Jun 10, 2008 12:53:49 AM
how can mine work out I doubt our governemtn will let them in. They are on earth so why should we not have them. Do you doubt they exist? http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Air_car_runs_on_compressed_air_0104.html my complaint is our media does not cover them
Posted by: Kraze E. Viking | Jun 10, 2008 12:55:44 AM
Congress and your representatives have their hands in your back pocket. It not the oil companies that are the problem-its Congress. Wake up and smell that money.
Posted by: Spugee | Jun 10, 2008 12:56:45 AM
$4 a gallon. It's digging deeper into the pockets of the middle class and the poor, yet the oil execs still post record profits. It's also adding to the problems of a struggling economy. Eventually the middle class will become the poor and eventually be wiped from the face of the planet because it will just simply be to expensive to survive. But wait... isn't that what the uppercrust of society wants? All of the poor and homeless exterminated? Has anyone checked into the viabiliity of the "Moe-Joe Cell"? An invention that supposedly allows vehicles to run on water.
Posted by: Aaron | Jun 10, 2008 12:59:54 AM
they won't let me show the link put compressed air car on your search engine you might be surpriused
Posted by: Kraze E. Viking | Jun 10, 2008 1:00:28 AM
spugee
we should have put hillary in office and we could forget about oil----first full moon would be interesting--dont think that time of month matters any more.
Posted by: rodney | Jun 10, 2008 1:01:06 AM
you can see them operate on u tube but the good news is this is just the begining of a new energy revolution
Posted by: Kraze E. Viking | Jun 10, 2008 1:02:00 AM
Where does the energy come from to compress the air. Is Congress the answer?
Posted by: Spugee | Jun 10, 2008 1:03:39 AM
eat beans
make intestinal gas free alternative
Posted by: rodney | Jun 10, 2008 1:05:19 AM
Oil companies percentage of profit is less tha Dell or Walmart. Its record profits because people are using more oil.
Posted by: Spugee | Jun 10, 2008 1:05:34 AM
you plug it into your elertical outlet and for 4.00 in eletricity a compressor charges the tanks you can have high pressure compressors put into gas stations too. congress will find a why for them not to come here because they are owned by the oil companies. why do you think they were invented in france? cuz the oil company does not own thier government.
Posted by: Kraze E. Viking | Jun 10, 2008 1:05:47 AM
If they were profitable, nothing and no one could stand in its way.