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Closing Arguments: Hillary Clinton on the Ballot?
August 07, 2008 10:21 PM
For tonight's closing argument, we focus on the other woman in Barack Obama's life -- Senator Hillary Clinton. A video emerged this week of Clinton delivering a strong message to supporters: She wants her delegates recognized at the Democratic National Convention later this month. “I happen to believe that we will come out stronger if people feel that their voices were heard and their views were respected. I think that is a very big part of how we actually come out unified,” Clinton said. Does this signal that she wants her name part of an open ballot at the convention?
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We can only hope Hillary is on the ballot. Neither Obama nor McCain are proving themselves to be equal to the job.I think we need a do-over on the primaries and maybe we can get it.
Posted by: maryintampa | Aug 7, 2008 10:36:19 PM
Hillary is electable.
Obama is NOT electable.
DNC,PELOSI,DEAN,REID,KENNEDY,KERRY and
the rest of the losers are responsible
for the outcome in november.......
Democrats are DIVIDED........
The media supports Obama but the voters
DON'T......
I'm a Hillary voter and I WILL NOT vote
for Obama in november regardless of the
daily media propaganda.......
As a democrat i WILL NOT watch the democratic convention.....
DNC and party leaders MUST be punished
this year for their stupidity.......
Obama is UNFIT FOR COMMANDER IN CHIEF...
Posted by: ROBERT | Aug 7, 2008 10:50:08 PM
She ran a pretty horrible campaign in many respects. Like it or not, it says something about how she manages and how she might govern. It's over and she should move on and focus on being a senator.
Posted by: mary | Aug 7, 2008 10:50:27 PM
Hillary SHOULD be on the ballot at the Convention. It's a precadent since 1884 showing respect for those who participated. Hillary had more voters than anyone else in history and the people deserve a chance to see her nominated! The SDs need to get with the program and realize that she is a much more viable candidate.
How is it that I hear Dems consistently criticize the Republicans for their corruption and the taking away of individual rights, but when they do it themselves by their own DNC rules, it is acceptable?
Posted by: Donald Murphy | Aug 7, 2008 10:58:18 PM
She's still going to lose. Who cares if she's on the ballot?
Posted by: Jeremy | Aug 7, 2008 11:35:13 PM
ANYBODY besides the socialist Obama. ANYBODY!
Posted by: Soetoro NO | Aug 7, 2008 11:35:18 PM
Yes I am a Clinton supporter and yes I will vote for McCain.
Go McCain!
Hillary 2012!
Posted by: Rob | Aug 7, 2008 11:47:24 PM
Hillary is great, and no doubt, she would wage a strong campaign were she to become the nominee. But the idea that having her more mercurial supporters have a public eruption on the convention floor would allow them to reach "catharsis" are moronic.
Let so review the facts: Fact 1: The nomination belongs to whomever wins the most delegates. Fact 2: The number of delegates Hillary won in the Florida and Michigan primaries is zero. They were unsanctioned primaries and their were no delegates at stake. Fact 3: Obama's campaign beat Hillary's in the ground game in a number of smaller states.
So now the only question is if you want John "more-of-the-same" McCain to:
Veto the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act
Remove the tax break that encourages employers to give health insurance to their employees.
Appoint Supreme Court Judges who make a point of ignoring justice and the law (as in the Lilly Ledbetter case).
Allow the insurance companies to be regulated by the state of their own choosing. Say hello to all disputes going to industry sponsored “arbitrators”. Say goodbye to all pro-consumer legislation.
Keep us in Iraq for another 7 years (and 3 Trillion Dollars) instead of putting the money into changing our economy to one that uses renewable energy.
Reward the Republican party for the outstanding job they have done in keeping Osama Bin Laden safe in Pakistan and keeping the economy sound.
Posted by: John McCain's conscience | Aug 7, 2008 11:51:58 PM
Hillary is just giving her supporters an outlet, so they can refocus their energy to getting Barak Obama elected president.
Posted by: morgan | Aug 8, 2008 12:08:21 AM
Of course she should be on the ballot as all MEN in her position have been in the past. To not do so is outright discrimination. Neither candidate has aquired enough "pledged" delegates to be deemed the nominee. In cases like this the Superdelegates must cast their vote for the candidate they feel will be most likely to win the GE. That vote is cast at the Democratic Convention on August 27th, 2008. Until then, we have no nominee. Also, in order for her to be recorded in the history books, she must be on the ballot.
Posted by: SadStateOfAffairs | Aug 8, 2008 12:08:55 AM
I voted for Hillary and have lived to regret it. She ran a very bad campaign, tried to change the rules as she realized she was losing and NOW wants to be on the agenda at the convention? The Clintons have shown themselves to be very bad losers and I am embarrassed by their behavior. I would vote for John McCain now if she would ever get on the ballot.
Posted by: Diane | Aug 8, 2008 12:12:24 AM
Hillary's name should be on the November ballot - as an Independent. The Democrats have once again set the stage for what should have been an easy victory and their candidate will slip through the cracks. He flip flops daily and with each passing day McCains chances for victory rise.
Posted by: Al Blakey | Aug 8, 2008 12:15:04 AM
Has any other candidate in history who came in SECOND in the campaign expected the party's nominee to allow them time at the convention? This is ridiculous. I think Hillary Clinton is all about herself!
Posted by: Phyllis Hahne | Aug 8, 2008 12:17:06 AM
Hillary is like a bad cold that you just cant get rid of. It's time for her to go away and stay gone. She wants the presidency more than she wants to see a democrat in the white house. She is devisive and she knows it. If she was a winner, she would have won. Please Hillary go away.
Posted by: Evelyn Hill | Aug 8, 2008 12:19:50 AM
Hillary should be nominated. She was run out of town by the Democrats. This is more like a dictatorship than a democracy. She got the most votes, but the party rejected her, the people did not! Obama is not the answer for the problems in this country right now. He is an extremeist, with insincerity. I switched from Rep to Dem, but now I will not vote for BHO. It scares me to no end.....and Hillary knows why!
Posted by: Fran | Aug 8, 2008 12:20:05 AM
She has every right to be on the ballot.
If BO thinks that he is a winner, then let him win it. Don't use the same trick that he knocked Alice Palmer out of the race.
We will not let that happen to Hillary. We will have her name on the ballot.
Posted by: EGNAHC08 | Aug 8, 2008 12:22:41 AM
There is has been no candidate in history to compare to Hillary Clinton...she won the popular vote. PLUS, do your homework, yes there has been other candidates on the ballot that is why there is a convention. THERE IS NO NOMINEE UNTIL A CONVENTION.
Posted by: bpower | Aug 8, 2008 12:24:29 AM
There have been many battles at the convention. The biggest snafu was when the media (or papers) reported that:
DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN
Problem was, Truman beat Dewey at the convention........And went on to become one of the greatest Presidents in history.
Posted by: SadStateOfAffairs | Aug 8, 2008 12:25:10 AM
Hillary has the chance to single handed push the democrats to defeat in November. Wonder what they will think of her in '12 and '16 if Obama loses. She needs to learn how to lose gracefully--she doesn't catch on that it is over!
Posted by: StLouisMan | Aug 8, 2008 12:29:58 AM
I think there is insecurity on the obama's camp about the Sen Clinton. They know that she is qualified and intelligent. Obama would not choose her as a running mate, knowing that she could overshadow him. I voted for Sen Clinton and I am thinking to vote for Mccain. If obama is truly for a good change without prejudice at all, He would extend a warm embrace to the Clintons', afterall, America had prosperous years under Bill.
Posted by: daisy | Aug 8, 2008 12:30:40 AM
Of course her name needs to be on the ballot. The delegates have not voted yet. We will know who is the nominee when the delegates vote.
As for history: this will be the first time that a candidate's name is NOT allowed to be placed in nomination. For instance: FDR was nominated on the fourth ballot (against other candidates). Ted Kennedy was far behind and his name was on the roll-call.
Posted by: Marcelka | Aug 8, 2008 12:31:12 AM
"There have been many battles at the convention. The biggest snafu was when the media (or papers) reported that:
DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN
Problem was, Truman beat Dewey at the convention........And went on to become one of the greatest Presidents in history.
Posted by: SadStateOfAffairs | Aug 8, 2008 12:25:10 AM"
The snafu involved the election itself, not the convention!
Posted by: StLouisMan | Aug 8, 2008 12:35:20 AM
She should definitely be in the nomination in Denver at the convention. She has the right and has earned it. For the 18 million of us who voted for her. We want our voices heard. I will never vote for Obama. He cannot win in November. He cannot even pick an issue and stick to it. How in the world can he be Commander in Chief. PUMAS UNITED.
Posted by: deni | Aug 8, 2008 12:36:31 AM
Hillary Clinton EARNED her name to be placed on the ballot, just like those before her at EVERY democratic convention since 1884! Let the process of casting the votes take place! This "selection" of obama back on May 31st during the Rules & ByLaws meeting broke so many rules, it's laughable! I could go on and on... but suffice to say there's a process for nominating the candidates. It's done at the convention, with a roll-call VOTE. Everyone's worried about possibly humiliating obama if Hillary's name is on the ballot? Gimme a break. They're terrified that maybe - just MAYBE - a few of those "bought" superdelegates may have had a change of heart in the last few weeks (as they watch obamas poll numbers tank), and will actually vote for the BETTER candidate at the convention. Hmmmm... makes ya wonder, doesn't it?
Posted by: Kelly | Aug 8, 2008 12:36:55 AM
I feel very sorry that Hillary was so disappointed that she did not win the nomination. First, she is not the first female nor the first minority to run for president. She is the second, Shirley Chisholm was the first. Hillary was not running for and office that her husband held for eight years. The truth of the matter is that the Clintons want and oil deal not the presidency. She should shutter to return to the scene of the crime in the oval office. She is a fighter for the wrong cause. She should have fought this hard to pass free medical for children and to stop her husband from building more prisons to hold black males. Also, she should have prohibited him from "Welfare to Work" which caused many females to leave their children unattended and working for less than minimum wage. In addition, the children do not see their parents and often the only parent (female) for hours. The children are sad, violent, hostile and very dissapointed about their life. The people have spoken and she is not the candidate. The Clintons are upset about a Black man defeating them. They cannot believe that they could not just take the nomination based on the black vote without a fight. Hillary fought a horrible, disrespectful, dishonest battle and should be ashamed to fight so dirty. She displays the traits of "by any means necessary." I no longer have respect for Hillary, Bill and Chelsea Clinton. Chelsea thought that she was making a profound statement, "I don't think that is any of your business." The situation was our business because her father was a public servant and disrespected her mother while she was in the next room. Bill is making a fantastic presence in pretending to love his wife. He had an opportunity to prove that for as long as they have been together. Bill Clinton never gave a tally or an account for the money raised for the Katrina victims. Those African Americans are still suffering from the ravaging effects of their displacement and their loss. Bill is in Africa helping aids victims so he says. We could use that help in America. Aids was planted in communities as genocide. Aids is a virus and Bill could finance the cure. For once in Bill and Hillary's life they should help someone from their cold hearts.
NO,NO,NO,NO!!!!!!!!!!!!! SHE SHOULD NOT HAVE A VOTE AT THE CONVENTION. SHE IS STAGING A RIOT, SHE LOOOOSSSSTTTTTT LOST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: JADE | Aug 8, 2008 12:37:01 AM
If the Democrats are serious about winning back the White House then Hillary Clinton needs to be on the top of the ticket. Obama will never win. He has absolutely no chance. He has proven himself to nothing more then an empty suit lying hypocrite. It is either Hillary or McCain.
Posted by: Puma-SF | Aug 8, 2008 12:37:03 AM
Why is this even a question ABC. Every other primary candidate in recent history has placed their name in nomination. Why is it now debatable, is it because she is a woman candidate. Shame on you ABC and shame on pundits everywhere. As the Denver Group say, Would you have expected FDR to be left out of the nominating process, not to mention the last three democratic candidates from their respective primaries. Or, is because she could actually be nominated?
Never would this ever happen to a male candidate.
Posted by: Cooney | Aug 8, 2008 12:42:18 AM
What idiocy. If Senator Clinton was "telegraphing" an intention to stay away from the Convention or the position that she wouldn't be Obama's VP candidate if asked ... these same Clinton haters would be squealing that she's staging a walk-out of her supporters.
The DNC and the "liberal" element of the media made a big mistake -- and the state Democratic Parties -- and their down-ticket candidates -- are having to live with the consequences.
The Obama supporters are not necessarily Democrats. They aren't here for the Party (or its local and state candidates) beyond Obama's campaign. If there are any Democrats left in the Party beyond Obama's campaign, it will be because it is still the Party of the Clintons.
Posted by: mlwheeler | Aug 8, 2008 12:42:27 AM
Hillary is still running for the nomination. I know it and I don't even live in the beltway.
Posted by: Sluggo | Aug 8, 2008 12:44:13 AM
"Has any other candidate in history who came in SECOND in the campaign expected the party's nominee to allow them time at the convention? This is ridiculous. I think Hillary Clinton is all about herself!" Ummm, Phyllis, YES there was. as Marcelka showed both with Kennedy,FDR, and that great DNC leader, DEAN!! yes, just 4 years ago!!!
results/comparison below:
1980:
Jimmy Carter - 1981 delegates
Ted Kennedy - 1225 delegates
Uncommitted - 122
No way Kennedy could win, but his name was placed in nomination.
2004:
John Kerry: 2192.5 Pledged delegates 381 Superdelegates Total 2573.5
Howard Dean: 114.5 Pledged delegates 53 Superdelegates Total 167.5
Dean had already dropped out with no chance of winning, but his name was placed in nomination.
Also, if you need a good article on the role of the Supers, read on:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/06/superdelegates_job_pick_a_winn.html
Posted by: RedWolf | Aug 8, 2008 12:46:28 AM
As the campaign proceeds I am less and less impressed by Mr Obama or likely to vote for him. I am a lifelong democrat who is still a Hillary supporter and anything she has to say needs to be heard at the convention by the powers that be.
Posted by: ldit | Aug 8, 2008 12:47:01 AM
Hillary has the right to challenge
Obama's nomination in Denver.....
If you do an independent research
how Obama got more delegates,...you will
change your mind about the whole process.
Obama and his campaign managers
manipulated the caucuses to gain
delegates and the SD endorsed him....
It was an inside job from DNC,DEAN,PELOSI,REID and the rest of
party leaders......
In november I WILL NOT vote for Obama
regardless who's the VP......
Posted by: ROBERT | Aug 8, 2008 12:48:07 AM
SaintLouisMan. I stand corrected. It was FDR.....getting late. LOL
Posted by: SadStateOfAffairs | Aug 8, 2008 12:51:59 AM
Senator Clinton's voters insist that she be placed on the ballot. This is not a favor but an accepted part of the convention process -- one utilized by Howard Dean himself. No one ever expressed outrage at anyone else for availing themselves of it -- only at Hillary, as usual.
Let Obama -- in his own words, "get over it." Senator Clinton is entitled to a roll call by convention rules. 18 million of her supporters are counting on it. I note that the Obama supporters above are clearly unfamiliar with convention protocol. Perhaps cracking a book from time to time would be informative. Oh, I forgot -- we're the uneducated ones.
Posted by: Michelle M | Aug 8, 2008 12:55:57 AM
The most baffling thing to me is why Obama is so terrified to have Senator Clinton's name on the ballot? If he is so confident that he is the best candidate, and the one whom everyone wants as president, then Sen. Clinton can't possibly hurt him. She won the right to have roll call by virtue of being the popular vote winner, and for the fact that neither she nor Obama had enough pledged delegates to win the nomination. That's why the superdelegates were chosen--to choose a nominee at the convention! If that's not true, then the DNC and our political leaders have lied to all of us for years! Apparently, that only works if it's a man who runs for presidental nominee since all prior candidates had no problem having their delegates counted in roll call at the national convention. Anyone who sees nothing wrong with this picture should take a real close at the democratic process and question your conscious!
Posted by: jonesstring | Aug 8, 2008 1:06:33 AM
I was very disappointed at the tactics used by Senator Clinton during the primaries. As a longtime supporter and womanist, it was sad to see the unethical take-no-prisoners strategy used by her and President Clinton. On a more practical level, it was just as disconcerting to see the poor judgement used in developing her organizational and financial strategy. She began the process with all of the advantages and was not successful in outwitting, outplaying or outlasting the survivor, Obama. Had the roles been reversed, it would have been my pleasure to support her. Her supporters are victims of personality politics where their support of her outweighs the very real need to move forward progressive causes...protecting women's rights, ending an illegal war, re-apportionment of limited resources for education, healthcare, energy, etc. Precedent does NOT mean that any procedure MUST be followed. In this case it rewards bad behavior. Had Senator Clinton withdrawn from the race earlier or continued without the very personal attacks, or her most ardent supporters not displayed such juvenile poor-loser demeaners her name in nomination would not be as repugnant. In a pivotal year, this action opens the door to anarchy and the ultimate defeat of the Democratic candidate because the goal is not to be "heard" but rather to circumvent the terms of the DNC primary cycle and "win".
Posted by: Bernie Rivers Blackmon | Aug 8, 2008 1:10:39 AM
Why is this even a question? In fact, it should be a given.
DNC Chairman's office person told me that her name will be in the nomination just like in prior years.
We want this to be a real honest, fair, open and transparent process with a real vote. Nothing less than if the party honors women's rights.
As someone in the audience at the San Francisco fundraiser said "We have seen many favorite sons' names there before, and no favorite daughters." Well, we have a woman with seriously strong support. Let's get a real vote done! Her name is already going to be on the ballot anyway.
Posted by: skmckinney | Aug 8, 2008 1:14:51 AM
I am amazed at how Democrats will rail against Republicans for being "anti democratic" over the 2000 & 2004 elections. Stifling democracy, and the voices of honest voters, Blah-Blah-Blah.
But now the democrats are endorsing "anti democratic" behavior, by allowing Hillary to be excluded from nomination. A measure of respect she earned, whether you like her or not. A measure of respect every other democratic male has gotten and NEVER had to demand!
If all you have to do is dislike someone, to not have to show respect, imagine the kind of world we would live in! Civility and fair play are a necessity in a Democratic society.
Why is this concept so hard for people, living in what is supposed to be a democratic society, to comprehend?
I can assure you, if the DNC were dissallowing obama to be put in for nomination there would be an uproar like none ever before. Imagine if the reason was because they didn't like him
or because he is black!
Why does our society allow and accept sexism and not racism? What is the differance?
Please dont answer with "Because she is Hillary Clinton" I will refer you back to my statment about, "if all we have to do, is dislike someone, to no longer have to show respect, what a jacked up world we would live in."
The easiest way to lose your rights, is to ignore the abuse of others rights, when it doesn't suit your agenda!
Hillary '08
PUMA
Posted by: hillary4change | Aug 8, 2008 1:17:01 AM
Hillary lost and now has her panties in a wad. Just what we need, a president that can't control her menopause. Only stay at home lard_ass uneducated mommies and pussy_whipped guys would waste their votes on that byach. But it doesn't matter, McCain is the man.
Posted by: phuckalqaeda4 | Aug 8, 2008 1:20:59 AM
I'd like to make one small correction on the blog above. The second line from the bottom should say--should take a real close look at the democratic process...
Posted by: jonesstring | Aug 8, 2008 1:23:26 AM
Mr Blackmon, are you really saying that obama's caucus CHEATING is a better way to "win"? THATS your definition of "outwitting" the opponent? And you have the audacity to claim that the Clintons are unethical? Thousands upon thousands of accounts of caucus cheating and fraud have been documented during this entire primary season - by obama supporters and delegates. Anarchy? Please... Have you been living under a rock for the last 7 months? Wow. Just wow.
Posted by: Kelly | Aug 8, 2008 1:25:27 AM
If she was running for dog catcher I wouldn't vote for her. If she ever runs again for anything she had better make sure she doesn't need anybody but the "blue collar working man" vote to get there. Her whole campaign was an insult to the "blue collar working man" who was characterized as uneducated, unsophisticated, and stupid enough to fall for her rhetoric. The educated, professional. middle and upper class were too smart to vote for her, and the minority and Hispanic voters didn't count in her campaign. She has been divisive, discriminatory and a poor example of leadership for young people with her continued refusal to accept the fact that she has lost the nomination. I wouldn't trust her or her husband in the white house again. He still can't find the mouth to speak up in support of Senator Obama. As for the people who are so infantile they are going to vote for the Republican just because Hillary lost, you need to remember, the "God we Trust" in this country said you reap what you sow. We are already fighting a war we didn't need to start because of a grown man's tantrum. I shudder to think what the repercussions will be from this election if Obama loses because Hillary supporters are mad at the rest of us.
Posted by: Angel | Aug 8, 2008 1:28:50 AM
I don't understand the problem.
There is nothing unusual or strange about other candidates being on the first ballot.
On the contrary, it would be strange if they weren't. The other contenders have always been on the first ballot. What's different about this election cycle?
Posted by: Mike Frazier | Aug 8, 2008 1:29:10 AM
Kelly, it is Ms. or Mrs. Blackmon and I will pray for you...
Posted by: Bernie Rivers Blackmon | Aug 8, 2008 1:31:42 AM
What is the BIG DEAL here anyway? Of course her name will be placed in nomination like Kerry, Dean, Kennedy etc. in past conventions. Why should there be any question. Obama is JUST THE PRESUMPTIVE NOMINEE...HE DOES NOT HAVE THE NOMINATION. There is a chance Senator Clinton may get the nomination and that is what has gotten everyone at the DNC and the Obama campaign so AFRAID. Hey if they hadn't manipulated this entire campaign through underhanded dirty Chicago politics, they would have nothing to worry about. The problem is, he is not the most qualified, nor the most experienced, nor the most electable. Polls are showing he does not have the lead he should have if he is all that the Soros owned-media kept cracking him up to be! This is a mute point ABC. The Dems had a sure thing this election. If they blow this by not getting Clinton at the top of the ticket, they will have NO ONE TO BLAME BUT THE DNC.
Posted by: MS BLUEGRASS | Aug 8, 2008 1:35:05 AM
Hillary needs to take the nomination away from the Muslim socialist retard.
Posted by: Sluggo | Aug 8, 2008 1:35:41 AM
She should definitely be nominated so there is a real record of the votes cast. It is ludicrous to suggest that we should just leave it up to CNN and one particularly ego-centric candidate to declare the presidential nominee for the so-called DEMOCRATIC PARTY. I don't know if they really want to live up to that title or just follow in Mugabe's footsteps along with the throngs of adoring fans in the American media Empire.
Posted by: Gord | Aug 8, 2008 1:36:58 AM
Do you really want a person on the ballot who managed her campaign so poorly that she gave away the nomination? Hillary is an idiot , who like wild Bill stupid, thinks she is entitled. I wish the clintons would leave the country and not look back.
Posted by: pissed American | Aug 8, 2008 1:37:53 AM
Do you really want a person on the ballot who managed her campaign so poorly that she gave away the nomination? Hillary is an idiot , who like wild Bill stupid, thinks she is entitled. I wish the clintons would leave the country and not look back.
Posted by: pissed American | Aug 8, 2008 1:37:57 AM
Please, Mrs Blackmon... Save your prayers for our country, if obama ever wins the presidency. (and thats a big "if") McCain will get my vote, if Hillary isn't on the ballot in November. At least McCain has experience, and a proven track record. What does obama have? Pretty speeches?
Posted by: Kelly | Aug 8, 2008 1:38:05 AM
I think that Hillary Clinton deserves to be respected and whatever that means as far as the convention goes, I am for it. If Obama had not been "selected" by the far-left-wing of the Democratic Party .. she would have won. After all, neither candidate got enough delegates without the superdelegates to clinch the nomination.
McCain '08
Hillary 2012!
Posted by: Francisco Cardenas | Aug 8, 2008 1:39:37 AM
Of course she should be nominated. Having worked exceedingly hard in a grueling capaign, Hillary wants to be sure that her historic achievements are registered. BO is in a position to recognize the significance of both her achievement and her contribution. And Democrats need to grow up and stop acting as though BO will disintegrate unless everybody falls down and fawns over him. There are more important things at play here than stage-managing a coronation. His supporters need to stop acting as though he's a rock star or a savior and start acting as though he's a man who could be President. And 36 million people would come a lot closer to getting him elected than 18 million ever will.
Posted by: Colleen/Denver | Aug 8, 2008 1:40:05 AM
GO AWAY HILLARY YOU LOST AND ALL YOU ARE TRYING TO DO IS DIVIDE THE PEOPLE
WHAT A SOAR LOSER, YOU ARE A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF A HATER, IT'S OVER FOR YOU SUPPORT YOUR PARTY LEADER, OR SHUT UP
Posted by: Pat | Aug 8, 2008 1:49:18 AM
When is the DNC going to figure out this simple truth: The democratic principle of abiding by the will of the people (who selected Hillary Clinton in the popular vote) is infinitely more sacred than abiding by horrendously unfair party "rules". I could not in good conscious support a woefully inexperienced candidate who never truly earned the nomination. Some things (like democracy) are worth fighting for, even if it is painful.
Posted by: democracymatters | Aug 8, 2008 1:51:56 AM
The day I walked into my voting place for the Texas caucus, I was trying to decide who to vote for. My heart said Obama and my head said Hillary. I decided to go with my heart. The actions of Hillary and Bill in the days since Hillary lost the nomination has completely changed my perceptions of them. This seems to be all about the money. No one forced Hillary to keep on lending herself money and continuing to run after every one could see it was over. Why should Obama's supporters bale her out now ? As a woman, I am disappointed in her poor little me stance. If she wants to play with the big boys, she needs to suck it up and take responsibility for her own choices.
Posted by: 42Babe | Aug 8, 2008 1:57:06 AM
I thought this was what the conventions were for. For the delegates to chose their nominees. If it's already a done deal, and we do not need to follow any previous protocol, what is the purpose of the convention. Did I miss something? Was Kennedy's name on the ballot, was Dean's name on the ballot, was Carter's name on the ballot, was there even just one name on a ballot? Oh yeah, In Illinois, it seems that is common practice. Obama is not used to having any other names on the ballot with him.
Posted by: pc4hillary | Aug 8, 2008 2:03:23 AM
Isn't that what the convention is for? To nominate the best candidate... the candidate who can win in November. The delegates must consider carefully who can beat John McCain and so far McCain is doing pretty good. Consider the person who ran in every state and won the majority vote... Hillary! In fact, consider Obama too... he got lots of delegates but is he electable?
Posted by: PJ | Aug 8, 2008 2:19:54 AM
Dear Obama supporters,
Could you kindly relay a message to your candidate and ask him to PLEASE stop bombarding those of us who WERE DNC members and are Hillary Clinton supporters with requests for funds. I am sure that the head of UBS North America, Exxon George Soros (who made a fortune on Haliburton stock but talks a big anti war game) and his other corporate sponsors have more than enough resources to fund his campaign.
And by the way Pat, I think you meant "sore"
Posted by: Sojourner Truth | Aug 8, 2008 3:00:06 AM
I'm so tired of hearing about Hillary. I will be so glad when she and her philandering husband aren't in the news.
Posted by: m jackson | Aug 8, 2008 3:11:05 AM
It's a good way to get Obama to put her on his ticket as V.P. to avoid the possibility of her name going into nomination.
Posted by: Raymond Flournoy | Aug 8, 2008 3:14:56 AM
A fair open convention is the only way to resvole a nomination in which neither candidate has reieved the needed delegates. dean in 04 had rollcall for his 100 delegates! hillary has 1700. should she not have the right to a free and fair vote. if the shoe were on the other foot obama would demand so. how can obaam squelch democracy at the convention and expect to lead the republic in a manner respectful of its institutions? oabam is doing poorly in the polls. if the dems care at all about winning they have one choice.
Posted by: fdr08 | Aug 8, 2008 3:25:21 AM
The comments from Hillary supporters here are surreal! What planet are they living on? Hillary first turned me off and many others that I know when she such poor judgement when she signed on to Bush's war. Then her campaign was so poorly run compared to Obama's. Toward the end of the campaign she showed a lack of integrity and honesty when she tried to change the rules and have Florida and Michigan counted. She said things about Obama that showed more of an interest in her own needs than the needs of the party. She really took the low road when it looked like she wasn't winning. She is really of the past where Obama is about the future. She is about Dynasty and entitlement where Obama is about Democracy and following the rules of the party and winning legitimately and fairly. Hillary has embarrassed herself over and over again with her outrageous behavior. Republicans would love to run against her since it would energize THEIR party but I don't think there is any way she could win the election because MOST Democrats would be totally turned off and depressed and would not turn out for her. It would be a pyrrhic victory for all these Hillary nuts. She might be able to steal the nomination but she would fail miserably in the election. These people that make an individual more important than the party are not true Democrats anyway-- they are just a cult of personality.
Posted by: Sylvan | Aug 8, 2008 3:29:32 AM
Yes, Hillary should be on the ballot - she has earned that right and nearly 18 million voters said so! This wouldn't even be a question if she were another man getting that many votes!?! Our country truly needs a strong and courageous leader at this time in our history...one who does not need any "on the job" training. She has been working for "all the people" all her life; and as president, she would fight for every citizen to have the opportunity for a good education, healthcare and a job. Hillary would soon have our country back on track and the respect of all the nations in the world!
Posted by: Helen | Aug 8, 2008 3:33:49 AM
From some of the comments here, it looks like Bill wants to play another mulligan--although this time it's for Hillary.
Posted by: bhciapol | Aug 8, 2008 3:51:24 AM
The Clintons are acidic.Rangle called on her to give it up, now the hench men are after him. It is their position that Hillary should be the next US President and no one else. The democratic party needs to see these Clintons for the selfish, minipulative power hungry people they are and send the message by uniting around the guy who has been bold and capable enough to take on the Clintons.Just the way Hillary run her campaign demonstrates she wouldnot be a very good president.
Instead of looking for every little flaw Obama has, people should really give him credit for what he has accomplished. Not Biden, not Gore,even Bayh was intimidate from the race, not Edwards with his personal millions as a head start could take on Hillary and win.
It should be clear that Obama has tremendous abilities and if the party and people get behind him the Country will be the better for it.
MCcaine is subpar at best and past his time to lead the modern world.
Posted by: mal | Aug 8, 2008 4:02:58 AM
What is so unusual about the candidate who "lost" going on the ballot?
Why are so many people afraid of her? And why treat her so differently than others...shell I say "men"? Ask yourself that question.
And in this case she won the popular vote....and Obama won with Caucus and DNC cheating. History will make note of this.
Truly pathetic.
Posted by: Anna | Aug 8, 2008 4:05:02 AM
Hillary is the definition of sore loser, how can anyone support her constant behavior of twisting the truth.
It was Hillary that made the first suggestion after lying about stepping out of the race, that her constituents needed a voice.
Who wants a President that can't be upfront and honest with Americans, she always manipulates her words in an attempt to manipulate the American people. Always poised for her comeback, it's very unbecoming and tacky.
Hillary needs to sit her Ego down and take a real look at what she is representing herself as a spoiled brat.
As for Obama, it's obvious that racism is alive and doing well in America.
Americans will vote against their own best interest every time to keep from supporting a Black man even if half (50) of his blood is White.
There is to much hate in this country, how will we ever move forward? This is why a small percentage of people can keep our children uneducated, unhealthy, and unable to see our way out of destruction and disaster.
People Get A Clue!
Posted by: Sistah Truth | Aug 8, 2008 4:08:23 AM
hi everyone...been awhile. an election is what it is...an election. let democracy rule...freedom of speech, expression, etc. being a hillary supporter, and a true dem to the word, let the process begin. if the 18 million voices march begins for her....then let their voices be heard. the dnc is a bunch of hypocrits and idiots anyway....the voices of over 18 million people cannot be ignored....go hillary, our only hope left to lead this country to peace and prosperity from the bush mess we have been in for over the last years...
Posted by: carlasue | Aug 8, 2008 4:33:18 AM
In early June, Pelosi forced superdelegates to declare for Obama, many of them switching from HIllary. But now Obama has had a test drive of the nomination and is doing poorly. The supers and other delegates now have more informationa and have good reason to switch back to Hillary.
A Clinton/Obama ticket would have a better chance than Obama/anyone. That would give the Dems 4 terms in the White House.
Posted by: tess durbervill | Aug 8, 2008 4:38:21 AM
Unless I'm remiss, I do not recall a Democratic National Convention where the delegates were NOT permitted to vote as they were nominated to do so in their respective state convention. Even in the national convention- they still could change their minds! Yes, Senator Obama's team was very effective in utilizing every outlet to generate more votes within the caucus (intimidation or otherwise), as well as the Obama's Axelrod who owns a media corporation that has helped to sway public opinion: http://www.nbc4.com/news/15616529/detail.html Until there is a 'winner takes all' system (easier to declare a winner) or a removal of the caucus system (no caucuses are in the general election!), this same controversy can occur in the future. Ladies and Gentlemen, we still have the conventions! All votes are to be counted at that time. If the SuperDelegates still wish to back their Manchurian Democratic Candidate, fine. The Republican National Convention can 'fire' their presumptive nominee as well if they are not pleased with the way his campaign has gone. BTW, Senator Obama mentioned to the DNC that he wants all of the FL and MI delegates to be seated; clearly he's aware that Florida's Dems. did not vote to move the primary forward; perhaps he's extending the 'olive branch' to MI as well? If so, then FL and MI should exercise their right and vote as they wish. In my lifetime, I've never heard of being informed that we have a nominee prior to the convention. And, off subject, I've never seen a candidate take so many vacations while running for the presidency (and I thought Bush had too many vacations!). I think part of the vacation includes reprogramming his brain with new strategies...Sigh! In seriousness, please review the following link for information about the democratic race (with lots of references): http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Winter08/2008Election.html . Good night!
Posted by: KeepDChange | Aug 8, 2008 4:41:13 AM
I wish they'd close the book on the clintons. I understand there is a publisher willing to creat a 10 TON BOOK FOR THE JOB.
Posted by: pissed American | Aug 8, 2008 4:48:37 AM
dear Carlasue "go hillary, our only hope left to lead this country to peace and prosperity from the bush mess we have been in for over the last years..."
You have just taken stupid to an entirely new level. I say that Americas only hope is a woman who has been humiliated by Wild Bill D i ck slinger so many time and stay with him for her own political ambition, a woman who managed her canpaign so poorly that she ended up 20 million in debt, a woman who had such bad control of her own staff that they embarrassed her or walked out or were fired (shall I go on?) is Americas ONLY hope? You are pathetic. There are talented , intelligent, better qualified women in this country who are much better suited to the task. If only we could get one of them to lower their standards and run for office.
Posted by: pissed American | Aug 8, 2008 5:01:04 AM
If democrats are divided, it's because Hillary Clinton's supporters and perhaps Hillary Clinton herself inwardly refuse to accept reality. The very reason you want Hillary Clinton on the ballot is because you are hoping for a shake up. You are hoping against hope that those who pledged support to Obama will turn to Clinton. Isn't that devious? Do you think a great majority of the democrats will forgive her if she accomplishes just that? Think again. It is also democratic to accept the will of the majority, and Obama happens to be the choice of the majority.
Posted by: susie | Aug 8, 2008 5:10:57 AM
Stop boasting that you voted for Hillary Clinton and now you are voting for John McCain. It only shows how stupid you can be. You look at personality not the quality!
Posted by: susie | Aug 8, 2008 5:18:50 AM
Of course Clinton's name should be on the ballot. Why should'nt she receive the same consideration all past candidates have gotten in having their names placed in the roll call.
Oh, I get it. She got TOO MANY votes - more than any candidate in Primary history. That might embarrass the "chosen one" - Obama.
Well, he better wrap his ego around this plan. Her supporters will not be denied the opportunity to reflect on the fact that she went further than any other female candidate in history. We want this recognition for her and she deserves it.
Posted by: s. valenti | Aug 8, 2008 5:22:51 AM
You are laughable Ms Bluegrass! You think the world revolves around Hillary, you do not see any other. You think Hillary is the greatest and she will easily beat John McCain, when she didn't even win the primaries. How sad that you cannot see the horizon. Your vision is so limited, you cannot see beyond what you want to see.
Posted by: susie | Aug 8, 2008 5:30:42 AM
hey Valenti! "Oh, I get it. She got TOO MANY votes - more than any candidate in Primary history"
Do you honestly think that hillary would have taken Michigan had Barack been on the ballot? You really should stop deluding yourself.
I see that most of the B itchers and complainers are women who are mad that a woman did not get elected. stop voting with your uterus and use your head.
Posted by: pissed American | Aug 8, 2008 5:31:57 AM
Thanks Redwolf for the following numbers:
"Has any other candidate in history who came in SECOND in the campaign expected the party's nominee to allow them time at the convention? This is ridiculous. I think Hillary Clinton is all about herself!" Ummm, Phyllis, YES there was. as Marcelka showed both with Kennedy,FDR, and that great DNC leader, DEAN!! yes, just 4 years ago!!!
results/comparison below:
1980:
Jimmy Carter - 1981 delegates
Ted Kennedy - 1225 delegates
Uncommitted - 122
No way Kennedy could win, but his name was placed in nomination.
2004:
John Kerry: 2192.5 Pledged delegates 381 Superdelegates Total 2573.5
Howard Dean: 114.5 Pledged delegates 53 Superdelegates Total 167.5
Dean had already dropped out with no chance of winning, but his name was placed in nomination.
Also, if you need a good article on the role of the Supers, read on:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/06/superdelegates_job_pick_a_winn.html
Reading these anti-Hillary rants brings me back to the ugly primary days. Do these people really believe that insulting the candidate that 18 million of us voted for is the way to get us to fall in line behind 'BackTrackObama'?
They're delusional if they think this guy can win without us - and he won't because he doesn't have our support.