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liberman is gonna be PISSED!

This makes sense to anyone who has ever played these games or other games like them. Video Games don't kill people, messed up people with mental issues and poor upbringing kill people.

Studies have also shown that chimpanzees that eat the babies of other chimpanzees are much calmer afterwards.

It is bunch of naive people calling themselves scientists that come up with these kinds of conclusions.

What is wrong with your thinking process?

guys seriously wake up video games corupt everything in our society as a whole...i mean do you really think its a good idea to have games that involve killing priest and bashing babies heads in just to earn an extra point to buy a fake pair of sneakers for the character in the game...i swear games like grand turismo 4 need to be shelved...i dread the day april 29th comes around cuz i see a future of children trying to mimic a character from the game by going around a kicking puppies in the head...sick sick sick

Grand Turismo 4? Don't you mean Grand Theft Auto 4. Apparently Chip Douglas you have not played any games or know anything about them. It's great to comment on something you have never done or know anything about. You are an idiot to think games are causing violence.

Chip Douglas says - "killing priest and bashing babies heads" "i see a future of children trying to mimic a character from the game by going around a kicking puppies in the head" WHAT GAME ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? I've played both GTA4 and Grand Turismo and many many others and these are not in any games. Quit making stuff up!!!!

Seriously whats the difference a video game is a video game and maybe calling me an idiot is a result of you constantly being glued to a televion set playing The World of Warcraft...another game I highly attribute to the increasing number of crimes in urban America...I mean also look at the movies based off of video games such as Resident Evil and House of the Dead and Alone in the Dark which have made millions upon millions and all they teach is kill kill kill...it just makes me sick to think kids right now are probably playing a video game that allows them to eat the flesh of innocent people...instead of playing a game like Mortal Kombat go read a book...like a book about Jack Thomson who knows a thing or two about violent games!

I feel Mr. Chip Douglas makes a very valid point. Though the degradation of society can’t be blamed full on just video games, the spike in teen violence and violence worldwide has correlation to the increased violence in games. Especially where each new release is incessantly trying to one up the last with blood, brutality, and gore. What do you expect to happen when we feel our children the worst of human nature? When do they learn life has no rest button?

Yes, lets blame it on video games. Correlation with violence worldwide to video games? Are you kidding me? Who are these people worldwide? Hammas and Al Qaeda are playing video games these days? Quit being stupid!!!

this is exactly what im talking about...look how angry your getting and its all the rage you develop from playing games like Killer Instinct and Primal Rage and things of that nature...stop calling people idiots my son because that doesnt solve anything...the point im trying to get accross is the fact that games such as Manhunters and Manhunters 2 feed into the primal side of ourselves and thats dangerous! I mean I read that computer hackers actually hacked into the game on the Nintendo Gameboy or somethign and were able to reveal the more violent side of the game...if they were able to do that then my son could probably do that! whats this world coming to with these video games!

I am a happy gamer. I am an ADULT who enjoys these games and hasn't got a mean bone in her body. I applaud anyone who is concerned with keeping violent or sexualy themed games out of kids hands, but when it comes to adults - mind your own beeswax. I can make decisions for myself. I don't feel violent after gamming, and FYI: most gamers are very intelligent and do read books. Even books with big words.

The study says that gamers are relaxed after playing.

Rapists are also relaxed after raping.

What is wrong with you people?

Do not set foot on the path of the wicked or walk in the way of evil men.

Avoid it, do not travel on it; turn from it and go on your way.

For they cannot sleep till they do evil; they are robbed of slumber till they make someone fall. Proverbs 4:14-16 NIV

To PQQAm and Chip Douglas, are you both insane? Your rants get more and more ridiculous. I'm not going to say that Grand Theft Auto does not have it's (over the top) share of violence but World of Warcraft? Have you seen the violence depicted in this game? It is certainly not graphic. You'll see much greater violence depicted in the Lord of the Rings movies. PLEASE educate yourselves on the subject matter before you start commenting on it. End of rant. God bless.

Show me the study were there is a correlation between violent video games and a spike in teen violence...and don't use the media as your study. We as a free society have the right to make these games...Its called freedom of speech.If you want to blame someone, blame the parents that don't educate there kids by telling them that video games are fake and cant be replicated in real life.

The issue is not even about morality. It is about these bad "studies" and the wrong conclusions that they come up with. They seem totally naive to the nature of evil.

Just because gamers feel better or more relaxed is not a justification for having the game and why would they even be looking for a justification for the game? Is money involved?

It does take a lot of self control not to call other people idiots. Jesus was keen to this issue when He said to call no one "you fool" which would be very much the same as calling someone "stupid" or an "idiot".

All you skeptics of Scripture take note.

PQQAM get off of you podium and quit preaching. You will never get rid of console/PC games - violent or non-violent....period. That is a fact. I'm an adult gamer and I enjoy playing all different kinds of games including violent. Chip wrote "the point im trying to get accross is the fact that games such as Manhunters and Manhunters 2 feed into the primal side of ourselves and thats dangerous! I mean I read that computer hackers actually hacked into the game on the Nintendo Gameboy or somethign and were able to reveal the more violent side of the game...if they were able to do that then my son could probably do that! whats this world coming to with these video games!" Primal side of ourselves? WTF are you talking about...it's a game. Have you ever played a video game? quit commenting on things on which you have no idea what you are talking about. There is no correlation between the video games and violence.

PQQAM wrote, "The study says that gamers are relaxed after playing.
Rapists are also relaxed after raping."

You are an idiot PQQAM. Take your "evil" computer and box it up and ship it back where you got it from. That is the most unintelligent thing I have read this year. You apparently are very small minded.

Chip Douglas wrote, "go read a book...like a book about Jack Thomson who knows a thing or two about violent games!"
LOL - Jack Thomson? The same guy that is restricting the 1st Amendment right of the USA? Another idiot.
"His involvement with music, gaming and the media (and especially use of legal threats) have raised questions about First Amendment rights. The Florida Bar Association is currently seeking sanctions against Thompson for inappropriate conduct."

My comments were not about the violence. They were about the so called "scientific study" that arrives at unscientific conclusions.

Jack, it is clear that you do have a problem but that is not what the article is about. ...although you are not helping the cause of gaming. You are doing more to confirm the evils of gaming. It is clear that you have not learned the self control that Jesus spoke of. I guess the game didn't teach that to you.

So don't be attacking me because I was not attacking you. I was addressing the so called results of the so called "study".

This is hack pseudo-science at its absolute worst. The players SELF-REPORTED feeling "calmer" after engaging in the animated violence in the games. There was no objective measurement. This likely leads to association of participation in violence with a feeling of calmness. What are players likely to do when they are feeling nervous?

The summary of the report given above does not even accurately reflect what the researchers found. They report there are several different personality types of gamers, and that some seem to be adversely affected, i.e., MORE likely to commit actual violence after playing the games. Ashley Philips, are you being deliberatly inflammatory or are you just clueless?

From the looks of some of these comments, such as the cute one about "bashing babies heads", you can CLEARLY tell who doesnt play video games at all. There is no such thing as a video game where you "bash babies heads in", let alone for "sneakers". Seems as though the majority of people here trash talking video games have clearly: 1) not played much if any video games, and 2) in light of the previous, sound like over opinionated ignorant people with "secret issues" who are trying to superimpose thier own INNER DARKNESS onto something or someone else (freud style). Thier info must be over dramatized second hand propaganda, or in other words...LIE's. Freedom of speech is a wonderfull thing and im all for it, however ignorance and lies...should be blasted (in my humble opinion) at EVERY turn, EVERY time, RELENTLESSLY, no matter who the liar, and no matter what the lie. Personally I think video games giving me a safe place to at least pretend to be taking out LIARS, and JERKS, and MORONS, is a boon to my existance. And likely the only real negative consequence of my chosen stress release preference (aka video games).....is that im not actually out in the streets truly doing things to LIARS, MORONS, and JERKS. But...I guess if we want to get rid of video games and go back to the old savage ways of ACTUALLY doing things to LIARS, MORONS, and JERKS...that'd be fine by me.

I'm tired of the old blue hair senior citizens commenting on things they have no idea what they are talking about. Your comments above clearly show you have never played a video game and your total ignorance in the subject matter. There are approximatley 100 million video consoles in US households that does not include worlwide and PC games. Quit spreading unfounded rumors and lies! Look at the MIT report below you ignorant facists. Oh, and quit using religion for fear mongering and excuses for your ignorance.
http://www.pbs.org/kcts/videogamerevolution/impact/myths.html

"According to federal crime statistics, the rate of juvenile violent crime in the United States is at a 30-year low. Researchers find that people serving time for violent crimes typically consume less media before committing their crimes than the average person in the general population."

If people make conclusions like this article does, it is no wonder that people get themselves into trouble and then live in denial acting hostile the way a lot of people here that are making comments.

What do you want to hear? It is perfectly alright? In fact, it is saintly?

Yeah, it is a holy rite. You are all angels! How far from reality are people going to find themselves?

Yeah, people are not violent enough, they need to be more violent???

What is wrong with people?

PQQAm wrote; "Yeah, people are not violent enough, they need to be more violent???"

What? No one understands your last comment? Violent because of video games?
We aren't hostile we are just saying you are stupid because you do not know what you are talking about. You don't have any evidence to show otherwise, Except for your wacky quotes out of the bible that don't relate to any of this. Come back when you have something intelligent to say.

its funny when people quote the bible like its some factual evidence, like it actually happened. well, actually...there is no proof that anything in the bible actually happened.

Come visit our site. We are a group of adults who play computer games together. It promotes team-work, demonstrates leadership and commoradity. I have been playing games since I was around seven or eight. I have played many many different kinds from the bloody and gory Duke Nukem from the md 90's to today's high graphic shooters. I have never been arrested and am I and others around me would tell you I'm not a violent person. You people tell us to go pick up a book. Do people not watch movies. Games are a medium of entertainment. There are not just shoot em up games, there are educational, puzzle solving, adventure etc. Bad parenting makes bad people, video games are not the cause for violence in Africa where they butcher each other. Stop passing the blame from bad parenting and bad education.

Video games rot your soul!
I still like them though.

People who say video games cause violence are the same group of people who used to think rock-n-roll was the work of the Devil back in the 50s. They are also people who don't play any type of electronic game outside of Solitaire and assume that all entertainment that any of the younger generations enjoy must be decadent. They listen intently to anybody or any study that agrees with that assumption and discount anything that disagrees with them. They never do any of their own investigating into what they preach about. They only parrot what they heard.
BTW, quoting the Bible does not make you in-the-right. Humans has been quoting religious scripture for millenia and have used it to justify the wholesale violence you say is caused now by a 21st-century electronic device. Individuals have never needed Grand Theft Auto or Manhunt to teach them to kill before, why do they need it now?
IMHO, on a worldwide scale, religious extremism (Christian, Muslim, et al) is one of the biggest causes of violence. On a local scale, poor parenting and poor education is to blame.

I have played almost every single "violent" video game ever to be released. I've watched almost every action/horror movie out there. I grew up on this stuff and I'm a perfectly happy, healthy, well-adjusted, contributing member of society. Those of you who think video games and movies are the source of todays ills are misguided. Simply look around or read some history and you can plainly see that religion does far more damage to the world than any game or movie. Find an argument that makes sense.

Guys there's a difference

between games/movies/music with violence

and actually doing it

people who say they are completely related are retards

I have to laugh at people Like Chip. They have no clue what the games are like. You know what is wrong with kids today, Parents that are in denial. Oh not my kid, my kid wouldn't do that,not my parenting skills. It has to be these video games. It can't be the parents and their bad skills. It can't be the parent that doesn't notice what kind of friends he has, it can't be the parent who takes no interest in his kids studies or life. I am 38 and I play video games with my kids. All the time. I will continue as long as I am able. No nit wit is going to tell me I can't because he or she has no clue what they are talking about when it comes to games.

"The study says that gamers are relaxed after playing.
Rapists are also relaxed after raping.
What is wrong with you people?
Posted by: PQQAm"

No, the question is, what is wrong with you? You can't even differentiate between a serious crime (rape) and playing games. Typical zealot who thinks that anything outside of their "pious" lifestyle is evil decadence.

my retired dad is playing games now- after many years of trying to limit us mostly because video gaming was distracting us from homework.
it takes an open mind. If not playing games the average American would be rotting watching television anyway.
These studies have lost all credibility. Its all about getting grants and tax dollars. I ignore all of them as the fake news it is. Someone ought to set up a snipes-like website to debunk all this garbage.

LOLS BRB PLAYIN GRAND THEFT AUTO

First it was dungeons and dragons that was going to lead kids to violence and evil; now it's supposedly video games. Sad fact is that 2% of the populace is genetically deficient and requires strong religion to motivate them and help them understand a "complex world". Perhaps the wizardry of computers is evil too. Korans, Bibles, Clerics and logic don't mix.

Hi. I am an adult in my 40s who likes to play video games. This is a valid form of entertainment just like movies. There are games made for and clearly labled for adults. So if the 'soccer mom's' of america would read the ratings, just like they do for movies, then maybe, just maybe, we wouldn't have six year olds playing games like GTA4 and Halo which are made for those over 17 years of age. I would not let my child play M rated games until he was of age. You see there are rules to playing video games; if you are involved in your childs life you'd know these things and put a stop to it if you did not approve of the content. I personaly know alot of poeple who game and none of them are killers, rapeist, or any other form criminal. They are tax paying. law abiding, and in some cases church going people who just happen to find enjoyment, relaxation, and/or stress relief from video games! Post Script Chip D. is a tool who has never played a video game in his sorry life. Later-

PQQAM - have you learned yet that simply repeating your insane point over and over again isn't convincing anyone? Since I'm sure you DO know this, I'm going to assume that you're simply into this because you like to argue.

I really find it hard to believe that stopping the selling of games will solve anything. I have read several people stating that they should stop playing games and read books. I think there are many more books out there that have much more violence and suggestive themes than some of the games on the market.

When reading books you thrust yourselves, or at least I do, into the fantasy world of the book. Much like a game or even movies for that matter. Just a different method of viewing is all that I feel is different. Someone elses perception!

There have been many issues with youth and adult cultures over the years. As a parent and one that plays video games, I find it my responsibility to monitor and guide my children on what they take from the games they play. Open communication is much more effective than any government law that says you must do it a certain way. Relax people, it is life, and it is a debate that will long live all of us as technology proceeds on its merry way!

Hey crew!! I'm a Bible believer... but I love video games.

True, that violence in anything (tv, games, books) absolutely has influence, but obviously the game isn't going to lead you to make bad decisions.

"How" you are raised has EVERYTHING to do with how think in "right & wrong". You must have experience to truly comment on the topic, otherwise "you're just spitting into the wind".

There's no need to be one-sided. Video games are a blast! Books are pretty cool too.

Peace ya'll.

Anyone who says video games corrupt youth are stupid. If you believe 'your' child in particular shouldnt play these, then make it your rule. But tell me what I am to think and do, Ha, I laugh in your face. I have never once in my life killed anyone or done anything that I 'saw in a video game'. Like the guy said earlier, i have seen more violence on the evening news than in any video game. And that has been for as long as I can remember, the video games have yet to catch up to real life.

And in civilizations long ago, war stories and graphic dipictions of violence were the entertainment for the young. Seems like humans have been using violence as entertainment for as long as we have been around.

Things imbeded in human nature like these are never going to be removed. I think the fact of removing video games to be pretty irrelevant on the issue. Please you logic before ignorance, and yes im talking to you Chip and PQQ

I did a similar study just this fall and found very similar results in gaming. But I was particularly focused on conflict resolution skills and didn't find that those who participated in violent gaming were any more prone to violence than those who only played non-violent gaming.

AWWW COME ON!!! seriously, only the old people and the people who never played games like to say "bla bla bla there wouldnt be violence if there wasnt any games..."and so on... BUT THEY DO THAT BECAUSE VIDEO GAMES ARE EASY TO BLAME. and the facts are that almost all the violence comes from racism, religion-based hate, "I HATE YOU" things,a person's character and a person's CHILDHOOD. IT all depends. Sometimes people blame videogames because they're just lazy to find the REAL cause of all the hate. Videogame is a game right? and if games cause violence you might ban the "Monopoly" as well because some people might say "monopoly makes people greedy" THERE WILL ALWAYS BE SOMEONE WHO IS JUST REAL PICKY!!! PEOPLE LOOK AT EVERYTING ELSE, LOOK AT THE WORLD TO FIND THE CAUSES OF VIOLENCE!! YOU WILL FIND THEM EVERYWHERE!
and look at the discussion above... the hate is going on EVEN HERE because people have different opinions and because someone quoted a Bible entry!

And about these M rated games... WHAT THE HECK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE!!! THESE COMPANIES THAT RATE THEM WITHOUT MERCY!! for example, in a LAME CARTOON BUNNY game they say the rating is "E 10+" because of "MILD CARTOON VIOLENCE" AND "MILD LANGUADE" COME ON!!!!! DOES ANYONE KNOW DIABLO II, A GAME WITH THAT ANIMATED (AND REALLY FAKE LOOKING) VIOLENCE?? I HAVE PLAYED IT SINCE IT CAME OUT YEARS AGO AND ONLY NOW I KNOW ITS RATED M!!

the last thing, if someone noticed , people say that "if you will play these games to much you will get stupid" :O
ITS NOT THE GAMES THAT CAUSE IT ITS THE SCREEN THAT CAUSES IT!!! THE SCREEN RAYS AFFECT YOUR BRAIN AND IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT ARE YOU DOING!!

AND IF SOMEONE CALLS ME AN IDIOT AND WILL QUOTE MY MESSAGES, PROVE WHY IM WRONG AND THINK ABOUT THE THINGS ABOVE!!
JUST THINK FOR A MINUTE!!!!

seriously folks... just think about that .. maybe games cause violence after all but theyre not the only thing to blame!!!!

I don't really know many people that want to kill after playing a game. As a female gamer, I love all the GTA games and secondly, it is poor parenting skills that lead up to your kid acting out. If you monitor your children and raise them right, they won't feel overly aggressive and go out, pick up a gun and kill innocent people. They are acting out of aggression on your poor parenting skills, not because they saw it in a game. Now to credit some of you, the IDEA of how to kill people may have come from games, movies, books and the media, heck even the news, but the outlets themselves didn't inflict that kind of trama on your child to make them crazy.

My four year old plays video games including GOW and Call Of Duty 4. He has been spoken to and taught that video games are FAKE. C Love is totally right and all you morons going on and on about how it causes violence can stfu. Seriously wasn't gangsta rap and Eminem and Manson that were causeing all the violence like 12years ago...oh no now it's video games. Great, now i'm going to go home right now, play GTA then go kill some people, thanks

My four year old plays video games including GOW and Call Of Duty 4. He has been spoken to and taught that video games are FAKE. C Love is totally right and all you morons going on and on about how it causes violence can stfu. Seriously wasn't gangsta rap and Eminem and Manson that were causeing all the violence like 12years ago...oh no now it's video games. Great, now i'm going to go home right now, play GTA then go kill some people, thanks

y did you post the same thing twice?

wow there are alot of narrow minded people commenting here. For starters to Mr. PQQAm, you sir a blatant fool and are indeed a total and complete bafoon. Keep your damn bible and god talk away from videogame discussions. I aknowledge the fact that you are a religious fanatic but in no way what so ever did jesus have any ideas that his "teachings" were going to be related to videogames and technology 2000 years later. Just to be clear I am not anti-religious, there is merely a time and a place for the bible and it is nowhere near here. Now, I am 17 years old, I have been playing GTA since i was 12. YES, 12. GTA is one of the reasons why I still game to date because it has award winning worthy scriptsand it simply takes the latest technology and pushes it to the extreme. I play football for my highschool team, I am in IB classes (meaning the inteligent people classes), I am an upstanding citizen and student and I care about certain major issues including global warming, I also love animals and I'm a big sweatheart (according the girls i know), By now your asking yourself why is this relevent. It is relevent beacuse My parents brought me up this way. the brought me up to be an amzing person, they6 brought me up to know what right and wrong is (WITHOUT THE BIBLE Mr. PQQAm) and they also taught me that violent videogames, movies, or television shows should not be reenacted in the real world. It was parents who bought me GTA 3, Vice City, and San Andreas for BOTH my ps2 and xbox. Like earlier stated by other people, the responsibility lies with the parents, not the responsibility of ther purchase of the game, the responsibility of raising your child properly. I'm no scientist and I haven't done studies but i can tell you that ALL violent people are the way they are because they were never properly taught how to behave and act in life. You can relate some peoples behaviours to videogames say for example someone playing Need For Speed or Gran Tourismo wanting to drive in the NASCAR or other car racing tournaments or suddenly wanting to work on cars when they grow up. However violence is a completely different thing. Not teaching your kids properly, ignoring your kids, inlisting them in martial arts, allowing them to be friends with the wrong kind of people, or even raising them in a bad neighborhood are causes of violence in people, but not a made up imaginary world of a videogame. If you really want to fight something, fight the schoolyard bullying. You'll actually change the world and reduce violence and crime levels that way

How about the wars were involved in around the world??? Do you think that maybe that has more of an impact then these stupid games? Instead of complaining about some video and trying to tie that to teen violence, turn on your tv and watch the news..Oh wait, our news doesnt report about the war in Iraq or Afghanistan, all they do is cheer on and instigate another war in Iran. The imaginary world of GTA4 is a lot better then battlefields of Iraq and Afghanistan where really teens are dying.

How about the wars were involved in around the world??? Do you think that maybe that has more of an impact then these stupid games? Instead of complaining about some video and trying to tie that to teen violence, turn on your tv and watch the news..Oh wait, our news doesnt report about the war in Iraq or Afghanistan, all they do is cheer on and instigate another war in Iran. The imaginary world of GTA4 is a lot better then battlefields of Iraq and Afghanistan where real teens are dying.