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REACTING SWIFTLY

June 27, 2006 2:14 PM

1:44 pm

Am "substitute guy" at the White House again today.

Am working on a spot about the White House's strong reaction against the publication by the New York Times (and others) of a financial-monitoring counterterrorism program enacted after 9/11, accessing the records of the European banking consortium called SWIFT. So of course, that's what I asked White House press secretary Tony Snow about just now:

JT: Regarding the disclosure last week of the Swift monitoring program, I understand the theoretical argument that this impedes the ability to conduct intelligence, but does the White House know for a fact that it's demonstrably changed and lessened the ability?

SNOW: We took this up yesterday -- which is, you're not going to be able to assess definitively within a day. But I think what you're likely to have is negative confirmation in the sense that people change their behavior. This is a program that worked, that had worked and not only -- it had been successful in intercepting terrorist funding and foiling plots and saving lives. And the New York Times story itself said as much. It's not as if terrorists are going to say: Oops, going to stop doing that. You're not likely to get a lot of intel traffic. On the other hand, I can imagine that over a period of time you're going see some sort of patterns emerge.

Keep in mind, also, the idea there's going to be a snap decision on this. The way the program worked was you did not track bank transfers in real time. There was a lag. For instance, if you were going to seek a subpoena, you would have to cite specific intelligence. It would have to be reviewed by outside auditors. It would have to have allowed a certain amount of time to lapse. None of those things have had time to proceed. So we really don't have any basis right now for knowing exactly how it has influenced things. But I think it is safe to say that once you provide a piece of intelligence, people on the other side act on it.

JT: One quick follow-up. Two weeks after 9/11, or approximately two weeks after 9/11, the president announced that the U.S., through the Treasury Department, was going to be reaching out to banks all over the world...

SNOW: Right.

JT: ... and trying to freeze terrorist assets and also get all information they can and, if the banks did not comply, the U.S. would stop doing business with those banks.

SNOW: Understood.

JT: So wasn't the message sent right then and there that...

SNOW: No, there's a difference between the theoretical construct, which is, "We're going to choke off financing" and talking about sources and methods, the ways in which you do it. There's a real difference, because the terrorists...

(CROSSTALK)

JT: ... financing, though, this was...

SNOW: Well but again, you're raising the question -- I'm telling you that when you make a general construct about how you try to choke off financing, do all those things, you don't tell how you're doing it. And in point of fact, since September 11th, this particular program has been useful in helping us get Hambali, the mastermind of the Bali bombing. It got the fellow in Brooklyn for $200,000. It has helped reveal terror cells. It has also been effective, at least according to the British, in helping track down some of the people responsible for the bombings there. So in point of fact, regardless of what the president had said some years back, the program was working. It had results.

JT: I guess what I'm asking -- and I'm sorry for not being specific enough -- but is there the belief that even though terrorists have clearly been tipped off from the very beginning by the president that there was going to be an aggressive attempt to get as much financial information as possible that they did not know about the Swift bank?

SNOW: I am absolutely sure they didn't know about Swift. There are, when you have key government officials around the world saying we didn't know about it -- there may have been a lot of activity. But it is a program that was not well-known, including among people who had pretty high positions in the banking industry. So this is not the sort of thing that everybody knew.

What sayeth the blog readers?

jt

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JT: fyi, SWIFT is not a bank. Also, I think that a big part of the problem, with all due respect, is that many, if not most, journalists have little understanding about even the basic tenents of intelligence operations. That is not a crime, and I can certainly understand that journalists can't be expected to be subject matter experts in everything.

Your question to Snow:

" and trying to freeze terrorist assets and also get all information they can and, if the banks did not comply, the U.S. would stop doing business with those banks.
...
JT: So wasn't the message sent right then and there that..."

His answer was exactly right and accurate. A fundamental tenent of intelligence operations is that you don't tell the enemy what you are really doing, and you don't tell the enemy what you are really not doing. It is no more than common sense.

The world of financial transactions is immense to say the least. No one. Repeat. No one, can track every transaction in even selected parts of the world. There are simply too many transactions on too many varied systems. And, even if they could the data reduction and analysis would require most of the planet's population to sift through.

So you tell the enemy that you are 'checking everywhere' to put them on notice and keep them guessing, then you phsyically check those relatively miniscule number of transactions that your experience and intell tell you should provide the best results - because that is the best you can do.

Now, when the NYT comes along and validates that we are actually checking transactions in this one particular fiancial transaction facilitation service (SWIFT), the enemy now have validated, actionable information on which to base future plans and operations. They now know for certain what some of our limited resources are up to which tells them to some degree what we are not up to as well. They know we can't do everything at once so informing them of what where we are putting our resources helps them to figure out where we are not putting our resources. 'We' should not give them anything to work with in my opinion.

Bottom line, the NYT handed concrete information and data to terror groups and their supporters that validates what before was at best a suspicion. That can not be a good thing for us.

Oh, and to 'an Independent': "Thanks for your wonderful work defending the rights of Americans. Without a good press we would never be free. Right on sir!!".

Well, we are more free than any other civilization in the history of the planet, yet we don't have nearly as good a press as we deserve. The First Amendment gave freedom of speech to the people. People who then form the press - not to the press as a corporate, profit-oriented business entity per se.

Posted by: F15C | Jun 29, 2006 5:07:56 PM

I saw your interview with Tony Snow and I thought your questions were priceless and the info you shed on this whole bizarre idiotic accusation of treason. Thanks for your wonderful work defending the rights of Americans. Without a good press we would never be free. Right on sir!!!

Posted by: an Independent | Jun 27, 2006 6:54:46 PM

Way to stay on the subject, Jake. Do you find it interesting parsing words with a former (or, I guess, current) television personality? What is the press' thoughts on Snow after a month or so on the job?

In my neck of the woods, the paper once wrote of how the police were "looking for suspects in the theft of neighborhood swings" in the park nearby. Oh boy, did the Chief of Police ever give that paper's editor a dirty look the next day at the farmer's market. All of us in attendance were like, "No, he didn't just do that. How are the cops supposed to catch these hooligans now?"

Posted by: reyonthehill | Jun 27, 2006 4:14:06 PM

This blog reader sayeth that at best Mr. Snow is making Byzantine and Talmudic differentiations in attempting to defend his boss' position. So, to see if I understand this administration's position correctly: terrorists will not be tipped off in the least if tracking financial activity is discussed generally in the press, but they will immediately become suspicious if anything specific is discussed, like the very existence of the SWIFT organization? Just how dumb does this administration think those terrorists are? Once again, this administration is not clearly describing any "successes" from this secretive program, just asking for more trust as ordinary citizens' rrights are slowly but surely eroded. The entire scenario is a travesty!

Posted by: chuck | Jun 27, 2006 3:58:22 PM

Let's try to make it simple. The difference is like when Ohio State tells Michigan they are going to beat them versus giving them their play book and game plan. Get it?

Posted by: scott | Jun 27, 2006 3:12:31 PM

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