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'Stuck in Iraq'

October 31, 2006 10:19 AM

Pretty remarkable comment from Sen. John Kerry, D-MA, in California yesterday purportedly to rally support for gubernatorial candidate Phil Angelides, speaking to students at Pasadena City College:

"You know education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well, and if you don’t you get stuck in Iraq.”

Uh.... so our brave fighting men and women in Iraq aren't smart?  Is that the implication??

LOCAL REPORTS SAY the line was received with a mixture of "laughter and gasps."

VIDEO CLIP CAN BE WATCHED HERE.

UPDATE: I'm told that conservative talk radio hosts are going to town on this. I'm also told that Kerry meant to be impugning President Bush's intellect, not that of U.S. soldiers, which I suppose makes more sense given that Kerry enlisted in the military. More later...

-- jt

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I think Sen. John Murtha is the biggist ass in congress. He is contantly undurming this country. I wish the ass would just get the hell out and leave the war to the the people running it. Jhon Murtha, You suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Steve Moore | Jun 3, 2007 9:25:24 AM

Thank you John Kerry for your service to our country. No thanks for the disgusting way you addressed the rest of us still doing the job out here in the sand box. Kerry has a limited grasp on the cliff that is reality and no offense to you die-hard liberals out there but if it was me who stood at the top, I'd push him off.

- Anthony, 379 AEW

Posted by: Anthony | Nov 4, 2006 6:34:50 AM

Come on now.

We know that all politicians are self centered pompous schumcks who think of only one thing... Getting re-elected and possibly a pay grade increase.

That being said the joke should be... "if your smart be a politician and run the country(into the ground), rather then have to work for a living."

Stop whining online, and go do something about it.

Posted by: Charlie | Nov 3, 2006 4:50:35 PM

You know what's really pathetic about these democrats? A brewing pot of knuckle-dragging NEANDERTHALS who want to re-occupy the congress and the white house. After so many years of tax increases to support their spending habits almost broke our beloved country. I am a soldier with the U S Army for 23 active duty yrs last month. Then a comment by such an imbecile of a democrat "jon carry" someone should've slapped him on his pathetic big head. I am not happy with those remarks and I will dwell on that for a long time, considering I am an Iraqi Freedom veteran: OIF 1, March 2003 - April 2004. That was a long tour. So "jhon carri" I forgot how your name was spelled, but have a good time campaigning for your political demise you so-and-so!!!

Posted by: desertrat03 | Nov 3, 2006 2:58:43 PM

John Kerry doesn't deserve to be Commander in Chief over the people he calls morons. We all heard him. If you find yourself in the military you are not smart, that is basically what I got. He is a disgrace to the US military.

Airmen Trainee Schlichting (Still havent gone to basic! got my date though!)

Posted by: Josh S. | Nov 2, 2006 9:04:06 PM

If Kerry really was making a joke and flubbed his lines the freaking say so! He didnt! He said he had nothing to apologize for and that it was a joke. Not that it was a flubbed up line! Just keep on being lied to by this idiot.
The line should have been...

You know education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well, and if you don’t you get stuck in Iraq OR you could just marry rich woman and spew your retardness all over america by becoming a senator.

Dems wont learn though...

Posted by: joe | Nov 2, 2006 5:21:00 PM

I THINK KERRY SHOUD GO TO ONE OF OUR TROOPS FUNERAL, AND HE SHOULD TELL THE FAMILY "I'M SORRY YOUR SON/DAUGHTER IS DEAD, BUT MAYBE IF HE/SHE WAS SMART ENOUGH HE WOULDNT BE DEAD." THEN SEE IF KERRY STILL THINKS IT A JOKE. BECAUSE I CAN ALMOST GUARANTEE THAT THE FAMILY WOULDN'T FIND IT FUNNY. OUR FAMILY IS OVER IN IRAQ FIGHTING FOR HIS FAMILY AND OURS AND THAT IS THE THANKS THEY GET. NICE MAN!

Posted by: NICOLE | Nov 2, 2006 4:30:15 PM

jeez, when I heard how the Republicans were going nuts about this comment, I thought they were really underestimating the American people. Republicans know that Kerry flubbed a line in his speech (that originally read: "You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get us stuck in Iraq. "Ask President Bush.''
But they're ACTING like Kerry meant to attack the troops...not because they beleive it, but because they think the general public is ignorant and uniformed enough to believe it. I thought they were wrong, until I read the responses to this post. Do you all understand that Kerry flubbed a line? Are you acting all indignant even though you know this in order to spread the word to others who are too dumb too know what actually happened. Or do you just not believe that reality is important?

Posted by: Mark | Nov 2, 2006 2:50:48 PM

John Kerry is from the generation where literally it was College or War. Today thats not the case, we are an all volunteer military. Kerry didn't botch any joke, he just opened his mouth without thinking first. Bush didn't do his school work???? um until you guys graduate from Yale and get an NVA from Harvard I don't think you can judge that. As a member of the Military I am deeply offended and hurt by what he said and the fact that he didn't apologize right after he said proves he's worthless. Liberals DO NOT support the troops, deep down you want us to lose!
Specialist Perry
173rd Airborne Brigade

Posted by: Spc Perry | Nov 2, 2006 10:23:24 AM

John Kerry is being bashed because he blew a
punch line.

When he made that joke, he was trying to make the
following point: Because George Bush failed to
do his homework, we are now stuck in Iraq. He
was not trying to insult the intelligence of our
troops.

Instead of bashing Kerry for a botched joke,
perhaps we should be asking the question: Did
George Bush do his homework?

Bush under estimated the terrorist threat in
Iraq, despite the fact that he went there to
fight terrorism. He under estimated the sectarian
violence, despite the fact that Iraq is composed
of three ethnic groups who dislike each other.
And he under estimated the number of troops needed
in Iraq, ignoring the advice of a number of his
top military people. As a result, there was no
adequate plan to win the peace in Iraq, and no
adequate means to secure that peace.

Apparently, George Bush failed to do his homework.

Perhaps, George Bush who should apologize to our
troops for that failure. They are paying a heavy
price because of it.

And so is our nation.

This issue boils down to the following: "botched
joke by John Kerry" versus "botched policy in
Iraq by George Bush".

And one last thought. If George Bush failed to
do his homework on Iraq, did he fail to do his
homework on how to combat the terrorist threat?


Posted by: Ralph | Nov 1, 2006 7:45:09 PM

How people can believe John Kerry meant anything more than what he said is unbelievable. Thank God for the great men and women who are ready and able to protect such a despicable person. John Kerry would be the first in line to say "Go fight" if one of his mansions was hit by a terrorist. And George Bush definitely loves America more than John Kerry.

Posted by: Lorraine | Nov 1, 2006 4:47:14 PM

Joseph Cesare said: "Would the right-wing condemnation of Kerry's remarks mean they agree that the U.S. is "stuck in Iraq?" Now, that would be quite a concession heading into the midterms."

Yet another example of a logical fallacy at work. It's like asking a defendant" Have you stopped beating your wife?" An assumption is implied in the question such that you can't answer without condemning yourself. Obviously, "the right-wing" can condemn his comment about the military without giving a nod to whether we're stuck in Iraq.

Posted by: Troy Stott | Nov 1, 2006 4:35:46 PM

Steve made the following comment:>
Steve, you've just given an example of a logical fallacy. The form of the argument is: if A then B, else C. You can't move the form around and say if not A and C then B. B and C are the results, not the actions. Maybe you should have studied philosophy in college and made an effort to be smart.

Posted by: Troy | Nov 1, 2006 4:26:14 PM

Renee, that is a lot of "implying" from such a simple comment. You wouldn't happen to be voting to the left Tuesday would you? And when I say "you" I specifically mean the person I am addressing. Not a third party that is not mentioned within the conversation.

Posted by: Brandon | Nov 1, 2006 4:09:51 PM

Mr Kerry, you are wrong!!!!
Military personnel are very smart, focused and career-oriented. I for one, completed 3 years in college, was taking Aerospace Engineering with good grades (not like you)- dropped and decided to join our finest military.
Maybe some are not as fortunate as you are (spoon-fed by your parents), that they have to join the military to get college grant... you know what, they are by far more modest, intelligent and will always be a better and superior man than you will ever be.

Posted by: Maria | Nov 1, 2006 2:25:42 PM

What Kerry should have said is "A lack of education caues you to forget a simple 3 line joke that you memorized only an hour earlier"What a moron

Posted by: neil g | Nov 1, 2006 12:50:35 PM

What ever Senator Kerry meant to say he open his mouth and shove his foot in his throat. Kerry is so hooked on trying to down the current administration at every opportunity his mouth gets ahead of his brains. I think its pretty obvious who the idiot is. As far as the war goes the only reason we can open our mouths and speak is because of those guy fighting and the ones who fought before. Apparently Kerry has no concept of that

Posted by: James | Nov 1, 2006 11:41:19 AM

If you don't think Kerry is a total pushover you are wrong, I served in operation Iraqi freedom and fought for my country to get the money to go to school that I could not afford going on my own free will. I loved the military. And I thank every soldier out there tat has, is, and will fight for our country. And for the students that plan or choose to go to school, good luck! school is not cheap nor is it easy. But your time in school is no easier then being in the military! Now we have to hear shit form Kerry, I bet he got beat up a lot in school for being an incompetent asshole. Bush may not give the best speech, but will always be a better and bigger man than you will ever be. We needed a president that could stand up and fight for our country. Someone that wont let anyone else have the opportunity to push us around. And I think a well educated man would have studied his speech before opening his shit filled mouth would have caught this long before he ever said it. Here's to you dick head.

GOD BLESS AMERICA,
And all the SOLDIERS who protect it. That is smart in itself.

Posted by: Troy | Nov 1, 2006 9:57:10 AM

I think both sides are pretty lame. They continue to attack one another's character instead of getting off their lazy A's and doing something. Stop trying to play misdirection games on the minds of the American people and do your damn job!!! Why don't we put the leaders in a pit and let them fight it out amongst themselves.
WAKE UP PEOPLE...stop letting the news media who are only concerned with their ratings(money)guide your thinking. Get a book and READ and stop living in fear.

Posted by: Kim | Nov 1, 2006 9:33:38 AM

Jason Helena MT,
Sen, John Kerry crossed the line TOO FAR. There are many of my family members who served in vietnam, friends who served in both Iraq wars and 2 in Iraq now. They are very angry as to what Kerry the "slanderer" said. I for one am angry at this fool who won't apologize. What gets me is that after he was in vietnam, a vet who was there is now slamming our men and women over seas and at home bases all around the world? Kerry is a spunk unhappy little man who treats vets and soldiers around the world like idiots. It's wrong and he needs to take his self centeredness to apologize to our troops and take his attacks else where.

Posted by: Jason | Nov 1, 2006 9:31:58 AM

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