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November 08, 2006 1:59 PM
Boy, lots of the reporting we all in the media were doing in the last few weeks sure seems a lot more accurate than the conservative spin that was out there, huh?
I'm not denying that the media as a whole could stand to consider conservative arguments more (just as it could probably cover minorities more)…
But certain things are just facts. When I went to Ohio a week ago to talk to voters there the Republicans we spoke to were dispirited, and many were considering voting for the Democrats. That was borne out yesterday, but at the time I was hammered for liberal bias.
Or you can look at Karl Rove's pre-election spat with National Public Radio's Robert Siegel.
SIEGEL: We're in the home stretch, though, and many would consider you on the optimistic end of realism about -
ROVE: Not that you would be exhibiting a bias ...
SIEGEL: I'm looking at all the same polls that you're looking at every day.
ROVE: No, you're not. No, you're not.
SIEGEL: No, I'm not.
ROVE: No, you're not. You're not. I'm looking at 68 polls a week. You may be looking at four or five public polls a week that talk about attitudes nationally but that do not impact the outcome of -
SIEGEL: I'm looking at main races between - certainly Senate races.
ROVE: Well, like the poll today showing that Corker's ahead in Tennessee, or the poll showing that Allen is pulling away in the Virginia Senate race.
SIEGEL: Leading Webb in Virginia, yeah.
Mr. ROVE: Exactly.
SIEGEL: But you've seen the DeWine race and the Santorum race - I don't want to have you call races.
ROVE: Yeah, I'm looking at all these, Robert, and adding them up, and I add up to a Republican Senate and Republican House. You may end up with a different math, but you're entitled to your math, I'm entitled to THE math.
SIEGEL: Well, I don't know if we're entitled to our different math, but you're certainly -
ROVE: I said THE math. I said you're entitled to yours.
Uh-huh.
What, pray tell, is "THE math"?
Or George Stephanopoulos's assertion after the Foley scandal that Speaker Dennis Hastert would not be leading Republicans after this election -- this just in, Hastert has told fellow GOP lawmakers he will not run for minority leader when Democrats take control of the House.
There are legitimate conservative arguments to make about the media. But not every time someone reports something that doesn't bode well for Republicans is it bias. Sometimes it's called: reality.
-- jt
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Liberals and progressivesknow the main stream media is bias due to sheer laziness. They frame questions from republican talking points, accept every Bush lie as fact and generally pile on and belittle Democratic candidates. The so-called liberal 'bias' isn't true as anyone paying attention knows. Quit sucking up the right-wing and maybe you'll gain some respect.
Posted by: Simone | Nov 9, 2006 7:57:51 AM
I have thought all along that the questions are smoke screens..both sides create the picture of some Place in the World..the "work at hand" vs. "the structure"..
Then the real world seems to jump into the face where Intellectual One-upmanship offers its sub-conscience..
Politics at the Leadership level offers only its personal Time Card..the perpetual/in my own time..prevails as some defence point..
When it come to the Power Structure or Leadership-however the TWAIN shall meet..
We seem to have hidden people that give the political angles less than savory arguements/People over Politics..
Getting your Picture Framed just right..seems lost in all the "shuffle" diplomacy..chances loom large on political horizons and often never really get there..the same Politics as Usual/might just need to be HAMMERED Out w/more attention to details that require the process something more than the "spirit" that floats a BOAT.
Posted by: MarkSM | Nov 9, 2006 6:01:50 AM
The problem with your point is that a wolf in sheep's clothing is still a wolf. The Media has been so biased for so long, that everything they say is taken with a bias slant. For your point to be taken with a credibility the media will need to earn the trust of the public, both the liberals and the conservatives. Just cause the facts prove you out, this time. Being biased, is more then just what you say. sometimes it is conveyed with choice or even your demeanor when you say it the problem. Please remember that semantics and demeanor still say a loot about the message, whether biased or neutral.
Posted by: SAD | Nov 8, 2006 4:18:56 PM
Of course, being proved correct doesn't necessarily mean you were behaving in an unbiased manner, just as being proved incorrect doesn't mean you were behaving in a biased fashion. In this case, however, it certainly seems that Rove was looking at the polls with the rosiest of rose-colored glasses.
Posted by: DKNY | Nov 8, 2006 2:58:22 PM
Geez Jake, you work for ABC - aren't you used to getting hammered by now???
As for Rove, he is what he is. He probably believes in divine math. But I'll tell you one calculation he got right - immigration. Exit polls indicate that Bush garnered a respectable % of the hispanic vote in 2000 and 2004. Bush's immigration proposal was to maintain and grow that support. But republican congress dug their heals in. And exit data shows that hispanics abandoned the GOP last night, when the GOP needed every vote. Rove was right, and the GOP should have followed suit instead of pandering to their angry nationalist constituents most of whom are in the GOP back pocket anyway.
Posted by: cordelia525 | Nov 8, 2006 2:46:11 PM
Reality, as Stephen Colbert said, has a well-known liberal bias.
Posted by: Bill Pai | Nov 8, 2006 2:26:15 PM
As seen by his behavior in this campaign, Rove certainly wasn't one to let reality intrude on his machinations in counting poll numbers like some deranged, demented accountant. His legacy will be the extremely questionable one of advising a politician for six years to play to his base--and ONLY to his base--when setting national policy and when governing. Rove should have learned that the opposition cannot be disregarded and disrespected in such a shallow way, despite the assurances of candidate Bush in 2000 that he was a "uniter, not a divider." Would that "Architect" Rove would fade into history as a campaign footnote!
Posted by: chuck | Nov 8, 2006 2:23:49 PM
Amen.
Posted by: reyonthehill | Nov 8, 2006 2:19:54 PM
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