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I like Ron Pauls Integrity on these Issues, the New World Order, Look at what is happening in the world, It's madness, up to 1 Million Iraqi's dead and that's only in the Latest venture, can it not possibly be that Some Muslim Countries and People are justified in their anger at that. 1 Million People.

Ron Paul was right....most educated people who were listening know this.

Spock: Appreciate the dialogue, I would still take issue with you on some points, but we are each individuals, unique in our own interpretaions.

You said:
"My support goes for someone that has not entered the race yet, but I will vote Republican, because on the libs side they are all dangerous"

I'm not affiliated with any party, and Texas being an open primary state, I don't have to affilate myself with any party, but if I did I would register as a Republican. No one can agree with every single thing about a candidate whomever it might be, but in the final analysis we should all vote for the candidate that most exemplifies the principals that our Republic was founded on and has demonstrated this over the long haul of his political career. The Constitution, Bill of Rights, personal liberties and our Republic itself are today hanging buy a thread. This election I believe will be the turning point for our Republic as we know it, and it is imperative that we each look long and hard into our hearts and souls before we mark that ballot an election day.

jpt - What was the reason for Iraq's invasion of Kuwait?

Hussein wanted the old Persian Empire back, his goal was Iran, Kuwait and Saudia Arabia.

Glen - one more point on oil, if he wanted Oil, wnd with the so called republican congress in past, we could of drilled here, where there is enough oil for generations.

Glen, you have good points, but It was under Reagan that Iraq was helped not Bush 41, and that was because Iran was a Enemy of the U.S. with their Act of War by taking US Hostages. We assisted the Afghan to defeat the Soviet Union invasion of Afghanistan during a Cold War era. At times we need to do these things, the problem is we never follow through, after Afghan pushed back the Soviets we turned our back on them, and the rest is history.

As far as dealing with Bin Ladens father, well the father disowned Usama before 9/11. If we are going to blame the parents or family well make room in our prisons.

As far as Oil, well if Pres. Bush wanted the oil we would of secured the fields and let the rest of the country go. The oil excuse is stupid.

First let me make this point before I go on, I do not support Guiliani, but what did he get from the middle east? My support goes for someone that has not entered the race yet, but I will vote Republican, because on the libs side they are all dangerous.

Economically we still are the strongest, though we will need to fight to keep it. Lowest unemployment, skyrocketing stockmarket.

Though the thing I am against is this immigration issue, which will destroy us. but like I said I do disagree with Pres. Bush on this one.

The problem I have with Ron Paul;, is the Blame America thing, and how he voted in past.

Turning Iraq to a Democray will help in defeating the Terrorist.

By the way did you know that today's terrorists are off shoots of Nazism, Arafats, Family and those in Iran worked with Hitler to fight Briton, In my opinion they are Nazi sleeper cells awaken. By the way the terrorist blame Christian for the second Crusade, I say second because the Muslims had the First Crusade against Christians. So this really has nothing to do with what we did.

Who created Al Queda?
The USA.

Who gave Saddam Hussein WMD's?
Rumsfeld and Bush the 1st.

Who was a business partner with Osama Bin Laden's daddy prior to 9/11?
Geore Bush Sr., James Baker, and Carlylse Investments.

Who protects dictators in Saudi Arabia in exchange for bribes accepted by family members? US leaders, George W. Bush took the Saudi funding to buy a MLB team, the TEXAS RANGERS!!!!

Love how this interventionism has created terrorists and rich elites!

It's working out real well if you are a Bush, Clinton, Cheney, Giuliani, profiting on creating terrorists!

These elite scum make money off the deaths of Americans. What happened to ethics? To being above board and not accepting bebies and conflict of interests?

Kissinger advises the USA while making money selling bombs?

Should we have the tobacco and alcohol companies teach our kids health education?

Are we that stupid?

Bill Clinton takes money from China and Dubai since he left office! A true American traitor just like the Bush family!

Clinton, Bush throw them in jail for selling out America for taking bribes. If you support them and others of their ilk like Rudyboy Giuliani you are a traitor to America!

RON PAUL 2008!

Who created Al Queda?
The USA.

Who gave Saddam Hussein WMD's?
Rumsfeld and Bush the 1st.

Who was a business partner with Osama Bin Laden's daddy prior to 9/11?
Geore Bush Sr., James Baker, and Carlylse Investments.

Who protects dictators in Saudi Arabia in exchange for bribes? US leaders, George W. Bush took the Saudi funding to buy a MLB team in TEXAS!!!!

Love how this interventionism has created terrorists and rich elites! It's working out real well if you are a Bush, Clinton, Cheney!

Bill Clinton taking money from China and Dubai since he left office! A true American Patriot!

Clinton, Bush throw them in jail for selling out America. If you support them and others of their ilk like Rudyboy Giuliani you are a traitor to America!

RON PAUL 2008!

Spock: My point is as Dr. Paul stated, "the CIA is correct when they teach and talk about blowback." The blowback of the Treaty of Versille which so bankrupted and humiliated Germany, was in part responsible for rise of a madman to power in Germany, and all the consequences you speak of after that. Retribution yes, but the Treaty of Versille went way past that. And no it didn't give an excuse to kill 12 million Jews. That was the work of a madman after the fact. You say, “ We still are against Imperialism?” When George Bush talked during the gulf war of a new world order, policed by the United States it was not just Iraq (OIL) he had in his sights. The U.S. is a declining economic power but is still by far the world's most powerful military power. The U.S. wants to be in a position to police any country which steps out of line with its economic interests. In recent years the American regime has demonstrated the role of this policeman in Vietnam, Panama, Grenada, Nicaragua and El Salvador among other countries. Like all policemen this one will not be influenced by concepts of democracy or justice but rather will serve wealth and U.S. interests alone. When I say US interests I’m not referring to the American People but of the entrenched congress, senate and President that completely disregard the Constitution and the constituents who elected them. We rejected the League of Nations then, we need to get out of the United Nations now, and get them off our soil. Also isolationism and non-interventionism are two different concepts.

Spock- Let me explain my understanding of Ron Paul's foreign policy. No more empire building + no more foreign aid= Less animosity in the world and in turn reduces "blowback" greatly. I am disappointed that you feel it necessary to insult me and question my patriotism. I love this country for the liberties it has given me but that does not mean I have no right to question our policies past or present. In fact, that is one of the most wonderful aspects of The Constitution.
One other note, I wish you would research Ron Paul's stance on Osama Bin Laden and the Afghanistan military intervention. He did/does support it and that is because they are actual enemies.

Glen - your point is? Did not Germany start WWI and lost, so they had to pay retribution. So that gives them the right to kill 12 million people. We still are against Imperialism, so your point. The League of Nations was more useless then the United Nations is today. So what is your point there?

Being isolationists is the reason we did what you said, so you prove my point.

Europe allowed Poland to fall thinking Hitler would not go further, Russia sign a non-aggression treaty with Germany, and they almost fell. We ignored and we got Pearl Harbor.

STOP Blaming the Victims. Stop Blaming U.S.

We followed Ron Pauls advice prior to WWII and History shows that was wrong!

Spock you say "Maybe if something was done in Germany prior to Blitzekreed 12 million people would of been saved!" That something should have been the repeal of the Treaty of Versille. The treaty basically bankrupted and humiliated Germany, making the idea of a facist who promises glory a good idea.
Also note: Following World War I, the United States rejected imperialism when it rejected the Treaty of Versille and the League of Nations.

MJ - By us supporting them gave them the military strength. so you contradict yourself. Start hating the enemy not the victims.

MJ get off the koolaid, Bush has created the path for Freedom to over 50 million people, We are not occupying Iraq, we are trying to bring peace there. If we were occupying the war would be over, our military would of wipe out everything, so please start supporting our country.

I guess you tunned out, there were at least 17 reason give, oh by the way it was Clinton that pas the Removal of Saddam bill anyhow What did he use on the Kurds? We did find some WMD's by the way. And yes even an Iraqi General under Hussein said the WMD's were moved to Syria, so stop buying the NYTs and do your own investigating. and when was "imminent threat" used, Iraq was a threat to our security was true. And did not the Iraqis and Afghan people vote, are we not woking the newl;y installed governments. STOP BLAMING the USA!!

Maybe if something was done in Germany prior to Blitzekreed 12 million people would of been saved! oh but they were an "imminent threat" at the time!

If we go his way, Lets put up the Starwars defense, build a wall between us and Mexico, and us an Canada, Stop all international Flights.

By the way what did we do to Japan before Pearl Harbor, we were isolationist before WWII, so there goes that idea.

Dr. Ron Paul didn't say the American People were responsible. His view (point) is that US foreign policy over the last 50 years is a contributing factor as to why other peoples would contemplate retalitory actions against us. I'm old enough to remember when the term "Ugly American" started being used, about 40 years ago. Remember back in 1776 we took retalitory actions against the English.

There is Hope for America. Dr. Ron Paul! Stand Up and Be part of it. See how he stands on the issues here.

You honestly believe Bush is responsible for creating freedom for 50 million people? If that is so, why is there a foreign country still policing and occupying their country? Is it really our right or duty as The United States of America to determine what is best for a country half a world a way and many more worlds apart in culture, religion, etc. I love what our country was founded on, The Constitution but that was the making of our founding fathers. Shouldn't the Iraqi people have the freedom to determine what is best for themselves(without any pressures the USA and large corporate interests)?
As for the WMD, it was the reason given to the American people and even congress to gain support for this war. The fact is we haven't found them and not even a remotely clear path to Syria exists. The "imminent threat" has proven to be just a tool of fear with little to no validation. You agree cutting off foreign aid to all countries aside from Israel will be beneficial to us. But, the fact is Israel is a very wealthy and militarily strong country so I don't see why we have to sponsor them. That right there is where a large of source of the animosity we face from the ME comes from. Anyways as long as we do continue to intervene in matters half way around the world we will be subject to "blowback" and that is fine as long you understand there are consequences for every action be it perceived as good or bad.

The answer in Intervention is to do it Properly. Now for another comment I would like to make Not since Lincoln has another President Like Bush has given the opportunity of Freedom to 50million plus people.

First the point is proven that Ron Paul does not see the conservative way, since Libs support him as seen below. As far as me being illogical well history shows that I am right.

The new regime took over under Carter, who sat back and appeased even why they held US hostages a direct act of War. Clinton appeased through out the 90's let me see the First World Trade Center bombing, and the numerous attacks after that.

I do agree we should stop giving money to all countries except Israel, they are very strong allies and are under attack for no reason other then wanting to live.

As far as Iraq, did they not invade another country that is ally to us. Was that not a UN choice to push them back, we did not invade Iraq the first time. They failed on 17 resolutions and after 9/11 can we take chances anymore or do we want to lose thousands of people first. And as far as Iraq not having WMD's- PLEASE !! Did they not use them. Since they were being helped by France who made millions from the oil for food and Russia use logic, that the WMD's were moved to Syria or other place. If Clinton did something in 1994 Hussein would of been out of power.

We stayed out of Japan and Europe at the beginning of WW2 and we got Pearl Harbor, so that proves that staying on the sidelines does nothing.

The old say Peace through Strength.

Ron Paul said what needed to be said. Even the democratic candidates would never say that, except for Mike Gravel. Sometimes hard truths and tough love is what is needed to make the American voter think a bit about how their abusive foreign policy is percieved abroad.

As the saying goes, its easy to teach a monkey wave a flag, but its hard to teach him to read the constitution.

Ron Paul is a a breathe of fresh air! A political figure that speaks the truth & reads important security reports! WOW! I'm voting for him.

Spock: Change your name because you are acting illogically.
SEE THE LAST SEVERAL COMMENTS.
Learn history.
We did NOT directly provoke the 9/11 attacks,
but we must acknowledge the blowback from our constant intervening in the affairs of other nations. Why do we always think that the answer to a string of failed interventions is MORE INTERVENTION?

Another country removes and demonizes your elected leader in 1953,
Then installs the Shaw, who proceeds to torture and execute hundreds
of thousands of Iranians. Osama bin laden (trained by the cia to fight the
Soviets in Afghanistan), attacks nyc on 9/11/2001. We go to Afghanistan
after OUR CREATED attack dog (I can partly agree). Since Osama is having trouble recruiting jihadists, we go (again) into Iraq to destroy their infrastructure.
This greatly increases osama’s recruiting, enabling the “false-flag experts”
to call for more enhancements to their UN-PATRIOT-IC act, resulting in more
erosion of our liberty. And now, not to be outdone by 1953, they’re salivating
at another MIS-ADVENTURE in Iran, which I’m sure will result in more terrorism,
and even more loss of our freedom..
If another country attempted this in the Americas, we would certainly hate them, AND PROBABLY NUKE THEM.
Maybe that is why they are worried about Iran developing nukes…
If not for all our intervention, the worry might not have much merit.
THE ANSWER TO CONSTANT INTERVENTION AND MEDDLING IN THE AFFAIRS OF OTHERS CANNOT BE MORE INTERVENTION AND MEDDLING.

Albert Einstein once said “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”. Think about this quote for a second and ask yourself, does this quote apply to the way they have been running our country?

If you rain bombs on people and kill their innocent children and women who have done nothing to harm you, if you napalm the flesh off innocent little girls in poor villages living in huts during a misty dawn raid in far off lands, if you march your troops gunning their way into a foreign soil, if you decide to install your troops in a foreign land which is considered a holy land (like Jerusalem) by a whole race of people whose culture and language you do not understand and do not care to understand, if you interfere in the domestic governance of a people whose affairs should be no business of yours, if your undisciplined soldiers torture rape and murder innocent families in a foreign land, you must simply understand that all those actions will echo around the world and people will form their opinions about you. You may call their opinions HATRED and they may also have different words and reactions to your actions.

All You republicans must form the habit of reading widely, think clearly, and pause a moment to wonder why some groups of people react to you the way they do.

You are right about those who do not learn from history are bound to repeat it. The U.S. is not the first empire to attempt to control the Middle East and we all know how unsuccessful each of those past attempts ended. Those issues you mentioned regarding Iran and Al Qaeda still do root from U.S. intervention militarily and/or monetarily. As for Al Qaeda and Afghanistan, Ron Paul supported the military intervention and still does, as do I. But, that should not stop us from questioning the motives behind those attacks and previous ones from militant groups in the M.E. Al Qaeda took credit for 9-11 and we should deal with them swiftly and powerfully. So if they are the true villain, why do we have so much more military might and funding bogged down in Iraq? There has been no clear link between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda, so why were we in such a hurry to go there? No WMD found, No imminent threat. This war appears to be about oil and enormous govt. contracts for private corporations. Stop the foreign aid to every country, including Israel and you will see how much less animosity the world has for our country.

MJ, You ever heard the saying walks like a duck, quacks like a duck must be a lib - Well the Foreign policy that got us into this situation was the policy of appeasement, where we left Afghanistan to its own after Russia pulled out. We did not help the Iranians when the Shah was kicked out. So you may be right the appeasement foreign policy did not work. So know lets see what Pres. Bush's Policy got us, umm no terrorist attack on US, Libya giving up its WMD's, ets... So iut was not intervention that caused the problems but ignoring them. Just like we did before WWII..

And actually if I remember correctly we did nothing to the Taliban / Al Qeada, Which libs confirm when the say Irqa had nothing to do with Al Qeada.

And is it not true the mainstream media sees it Ron Paul's way.

Those who do not learn from history are bound to repeat it.

Spock open your eyes and clean out your ears, you are obviously suffering from mediaconglomaridis. You see things as the media conglomerate wishes you to see them. Choosing to root for republicans or democrats or conservatives or liberals. The fact is Ron Paul votes against tax increases and for individual liberties. Sorry, that you would prefer your repulican team to run by warmongering, liberty depleting, neocon fascists. Ron Paul blamed the American foreign policy, not the American individuals, other than the fact we as a collective people have allowed those in power to institute such a pathetic system. You keep believing in the good guy, bad guy thing. enjoy!

America is paying attention… makes me feel good about my fellow countrymen again! Vote Ron Paul!

First to All DO NOT BE FOOLED BY THE LIBS saying they are Conservatives/Republicans that support Ron Paul. He is not supported by any true Republican and Definitely not Conservatives. He is a Lib in Republican Clothing. True Americans DO NOT blame America First!! Oh by the way the Republicans lost the 2006 election because they were not acting like Conservatives, not because of anything else. and to say it was about the war is propagander because none of the Democrats said they would cut funding, and the one that did in Conn. LOST.

I hadn't really heard of Ron Paul before. I want to hear a lot more about him now. He sounds like he may be the only Republican candidate who isn't a fool.

Seriously folks...Ron Paul is the only candidate in the Republican party with a chance to win the presidency. The GOP has two perception problems. People think they are corrupt, and people think they are stubborn warmongerers. The midterm election polls made both points clear.

Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate in the GOP who will be able to run without these perception problems. He has already flamed the passions of huge numbers of grass root supporters with nothing more than debates and rare interviews. Imagine how powerful Ron Paul could be with a unified GOP behind him!!! I'm honestly starting to believe he might just win this thing.

Ron Paul ignited my political passion that was, up to just 10 days ago, smoldering. There was nothing worth throwing on the fire of hope. I'm a self-employed husband, and father of six great kids. I consider myself a conservative. Here's what I see going on in our nation. Big business and big media are doing a very good job of dividing the people of America on issues like abortion, gay rights, immigration, etc. - all certainly important. But Ron Paul strikes the very core of what's wrong. Our nation is being dismembered while we sit around and throw barbs at one another. The American people (as diverse as we are) need to wake up and see that if we continue to allow the powers that be (Dems & Republicans) rule as they have, we will have NO AMERICA LEFT! Ron Paul, to me, offers the nation hope, whether you're a dem, rep, ind, or disconnected voter. The type of censorship and witch hunt initiated by the Fox News network is nothing compared to what's coming if we don't learn by history. This very channel of free speech will be squashed. AMERICA, PLEASE WAKE UP AND PUT THIS MAN INTO OFFICE - HE'S OUR ONLY HOPE!

I looks from the comments that I really dont need to say anything.

Ron Paul is a true patriot and the only candidate that speaks the truth to the American people. Stop foreign aid, eliminate the Federal Reserve, actually secure our borders and say NO to personal identification cards. Guiliani came off as an uninformed baffoon, that somehow believes he accomplished something extraordinary during the events of 9-11. What did Guiliani do that day, those weeks other than look mad, sad and proud? Wow, that is impressive, if you have the mindset of a 10 year old, I suppose. I guarantee Ron Paul would like nothing more than to have an uniterrupted 30 minute debate with Guiliani this weekend on any of the Sunday morning shows to debate the U.S. foreign policy, the Iraq War and 9-11. Of course it won't happen as Guiliani knows he is far too ignorant, lazy and genuinely intellectually inferior to even manage a draw in that format. The American people are waking up and Ron Paul's support is very real and growing like a campfire to a wildfire.

yes he has a very good point thomas jefferson still lives within him and all of we the people

Dr. Paul's point in the debate was absolutely on target as actions do, indeed, have consequences. His follow-up on CNN with Wolf Blitzer was excellent as well, saying that Guiliani was trying to slience him by calling him unpatriotic for even suggesting that there is a different point of view than the one commonly espoused.

He's a good man with a reasonable message and he absolutely needs to be heard by as many people as possible and let them decide if he should speak for the Republican Party.

Ta,

As someone who lost family and friends to 911, I'm sick of Giuliani's fear mongering. Time for us to take a hard look at the why of 911, especially if we want to prevent it again.

Ron Paul is a true American patriot; probably the last within the confines of DC. It's time we head the old American ideal of non-interventionism and stop going abroad in search of monsters to destroy.

Imagine that, a politician who actually uses FACTS in his argument! Rudy Giuliani obviously couldn't argue with the facts because he probably didn't know them. Instead, he chose to play on Fox News audience sympathies toward 9/11 for some cheap applause. Were Giuliani actually elected, we'd probably be in for a presidency full of hot air and soundbites, but no substance. With Ron Paul, we'd be in for some real change. I believe that Ron Paul is exactly what this country needs in order to get back on the path that our Founding Fathers set us on. That was a path toward greatness. A path towards being the beacon of hope for real freedom that we were destined to be.

Sometimes the truth hurts. To those who don't want to hear it and to those who speak it. Ron Paul just finished his presidential bid, I mean why would we want a president who told the truth?

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win."
- Mahatma Gandhi

We are moving on to the second step. As long as we live in America there is not going to be any censorship without a fight! Ron Paul is the only candidate that doesn’t have his head so far up his ass that he can actually read and understand the Constitution and the 9/11 Report. Giuliani just heard someone say 9/11 and had to get his name in there somewhere. It should be a scandal in itself the way Rudy whores out the tragedy of 9/11! Anyone who doesn’t think foreign policy plays a major role in how the world views the United States should be declared unfit for office!

Ron Paul made a great point. I'm excited and pleased to see so many Americans are seeing through the rhetoric and the way some are attempting to spin his comments. I hope he is the Republican candidate for President.

The good doctor is correct in his statements. Rudy is uninformed or just plain stupid.

Go Ron Paul!!!!!!!!!!

Being in Manhattan on September 11 does not automatically confer expertise on foreign policy. Giuliani may have been a competent mayor, but he has learned nothing from the tragedy, except to exploit it for political gain.

George Bush has proven over and over that if you don't understand your opponent's motivation, you can't win. If we don't get non theology-driven adults in charge in Washington, we're going to be in more and more trouble.

Any attempt to censure Doctor Paul only confirms the widely held belief that the mainstream media sold the people out decades ago.

Bob Dole is a true American. I am proud to have a picture of my daughter at the kick-off event for his presidential run.

So Ron uses the 9/11 Commission report and the CIA to back up his argument, and Rudy is against it. So Rudy is against the CIA and the 9/11 findings??? I thought he was supposed to stand for security? I guess not.

America is waking up to the fact that our current system DISCOURAGES whistle-blowing and truth-telling. Ron Paul is a patriot, a true American, and will get this lifelong Democrat's vote come 2008 (that is, if he hasn't been emasculated and eviscerated by the Media whores before then). Ron Paul is the only chance America has of turning this negativity around and making America a country of hope and freedom once more.

Ron Paul may well be this country's last chance. God help him for what he is facing.

I think Ron Paul read the 9/11 commission report and Rudy Giuliani uses it as a coaster! Go Ron Paul! He has a RIGHT to speak out and voice his opinion! An opinion held by many and backed by the Commission report and the CIA! Ron Paul's statements on what he read in the memoirs of Reagon, impressed me more than any of the other candidates have ever! Go Ron Paul! And if they kick him out then this country is not free and it is being flaunted and displayed that our freedom is being threatened.

Ron Paul was absolutely correct in questioning our interventionist policy. Rudy was totally wrong to ask him to take it back. Plus, Rudy really didn't even listen to what he actually said, which is typical of politicians. Giuliani's arrogance knows no bounds. The American people are sick of the federal government spending our money on foreign aid and wars while the USA goes down the tubes. Ron Paul is a true patriot who cares about the USA first and none of those other candidates are even one quarter the man he is.

The common folk have been saying for years, that we can see why the Middle Easterner's don't want the western morality and system in general
in their part of the world. Prono, Hollywood, greed and corruption. The list goes on and on. They have their beliefs that go way back and don't want the sinful West there. Understandable to me. Ron Paul is a realist, and those who do not see it, just want to line their pockets and deny.

Yes, Ron Paul did have a point, and he made it also. Backed up by the reports, which obviously Rudy didn't bother to read. End of story. Rudy is uninformed, Michigan GOP chair Saul Anuzis is uninformed... and for Anuzis to even suggest that Ron Paul be barred from future debates; (suggested out of his own ignorance of the facts,) reveals just how much the GOP platform and mentality has deteriated... It is a sad day for the GOP... turn out the lights, folks, the Party's over.

Simple truth needs little explaining. Ron Paul's comments on 911 during the debate were right on target and reflect the opinions of the vast majority of Americans
who have had no one speak for them in too long. To exclude him from the debates would be the death of democracy.

Yes, Ron Paul spoke the truth about what led to the attacks on 9/11.

It was the moderator who used the term "invited". That's much too strong to represent Paul's point. Who can believe that the US is innocent of any arrogance or other fault -- including honest mistakes or honest disagreements that would offend someone. Giuliani's response got applause, but he offered no substantive alternative explanation. Does living through 9/11 and having political responsibility imply that one understands the motives of the murderers? Unfortunately Paul only repeated his position in a different way instead of answering Giuliani's cheap shot.

What's the RNC thinking? Are they trying to prevent free speech? It looks like going independent is the only option now.
RNC= Anti-American

Ron Paul was right. He quoted the 9/11 commission report which said the reasons for attack were exactly what he described during the debates. The rest of the republicans need to read the actual report and stop hiding behind "patriotism".

Ron Paul is absolutely correct in his assessment of our troublesome foreign policy in the Middle East over the past 50 years.

Rudy was counting on the fact that the American people still believe that the terrorists attack us for our freedom. Unfortunately for him, Hannity, and others who want to deny the truth, they seem to have been asleep when they American people woke up from their slumber.

We're awake now. More are awakening every day. We have fallen out of our collective trance. If you want to win our hearts and our votes, you have to tell the truth. No more lies, no more spin, no more manipulation.

Ron Paul tells us the truth and we can see that. That's why he'll be the next President.

Ron Paul was 100% correct, and Rudy will eventually look the fool for not understanding what the CIA calls "blowback" and the blowback that was outlined in the 9/11 Commision Report.

But what *really* ticks me off is Ron Paul is being trashed for telling the truth about blowback, instead of giving the Patriotic "Hurray America!" answer that the Fox News audience wants to hear.

What is America turning in to if different opinions are discouraged at debates. Debates.

Ron Paul did not say that we should submit to terrorist demands. He said that meddling in the middle east was treating enemies for our country. People rarely get jealous enough to kill themselves, but kill their loved ones or what they believe in, and they will follow you to hell. (Why are we in Iraq now?... well to Paraphrase Rudy Giuliani: "They started it!")

Paul is right that we need a non intervention policy. We need to run our country, defend our country... Thats why the government is there. I would be willing to die for our country, but dying for our government is such a waste.

Ron Paul for President!

The idea that certain actions have consequences and that we should consider those consequences when we act is one that my three year old son understands.

Look, terrorists hate us for our apple pies, baseball, NASCAR, and of course our freedoms. And they have horns.

If Republicans can't even debate a fellow Republican on the motives for war, how are they going to be able to debate Democrats after the primaries? If Rudy Giuliani feels so strongly that he is right, then he should demand Ron Paul debate him one-on-one to prove his point.

what's the frequency kenneth, oh, no I meant that Ron Paul's membership in the republican party is a technicality because he's really a libertarian, isn't he? I just assumed, based on the little I've learned about him recently.

What I pointed out in the post of mine which disappeared is that RP's assertion has implications. It's like appeasement. Terrorist appeasement. Look I'm all for pulling out of Iraq. And I was against the invasion in the first place, but for different reasons.

Is the sky blue? Do the stars come out when the sun goes down? Update to the Republican leadership - Ron Paul may be your only hope in 2008. Elected 10 times to office in conservative Texas, why not let this play out however it will? Maybe the guy will do a "Dean" and flame out on his own afer winning Iowa. You can only hope but don't plan on it - he looks and sounds pretty real to me. Abolish the IRS - you've never had a candidate like this. Enjoy it.

God I wish Ron Paul had a chance. It is to bad cause now fax is trying to make him look like a 9/11 truther because of his comments. I think Ron Paul may be our last hope before we lose any resemblance to what America was supposed to be

Ron Paul is not saying that our Attackin of Iraq was the full deciding factor for the 9/11 attacks. If you check out some of his responces as well as his previous speaches you'll see where he is pointing out the Federal Governments Foreign policy as a whole was a contributing factor. Ron Paul was a 100% correct.

I wonder if Former Mayor Rudy Giuliani read the 9/11 commission results? He seems out of touch with the results of such studies.

Ron Paul is on target.

Obviously, "sleigh" should have been "slay."

Cordelia, Ron Paul is not talking about negotiating with terrorists. He's talking about a foreign policy that the founders envisioned--one in which we trade peacefully and defend vigorously, but in which we do not go looking for foreign dragons to sleigh. Excursions like Iraq (and NOT necessarily Afghanistan) generate understandable hatred and fear. Even when our actions are arguably justified, we leave bases in foreign nations--we're still in Germany and Japan, for example, as well as over 100 other nations. Defense yes, Offense, no. BTW, Ron Paul is no socialist, and therefore, no Democrat.

If I understand Rep. Paul's comments correctly, he's saying that we must look at our actions in the world in context, and that our actions do indeed have repercussions, sometimes long after the actions occur. I agree. He also seems to say that we were attacked on 9/11 because we were "over there, attacking Iraq." I don't agree, since he seems to be implying a causality where none exists.

More importantly, whether I agree with Rep. Paul or not, he most certainly has the right to express his views without any censorship, as does any other candidate. (Remember Ross Perot?) Michigan GOP chair Saul Anuzis is the one who is "off the wall and out of whack" by proposing that Rep. Paul be excluded from future debates.

Republicans are a joke and I can not believe anyone under 60 is a Republican. Their candidates are spineless, willing to say or do anything to get elected. I have no idea what there party stands for besides war at anytime for any reason and at any cost, restricting women’s access to reproductive health care and hating gay people. This crop of candidates is about as exciting as the year Bob Dole ran for president. What a bunch of old, spoiled nuts.

People need to comprehend that trying to understand the motivations of terrorists is not the same as excusing their actions. Giuliani and friends like to pretend that the attacks came out of nowhere, and that the terrorists were simply evil people, which is absurd. People become terrorists when you invade their countries, when you bomb their mosques, when you slaughter their families. The 9/11 attacks were not provoked by the citizens who died in them, but they were provoked by the American government. It would be nice if Paul's vociferous opponents could learn the difference.

I have strong feelings on this topic. Here goes it:

1) I like the fact that Ron Paul is included in the debates. The two party system is inadequate; Ron Paul brings a welcome perspective. Yes, I know he's a member of the republican party, but isn't that just a formality?

2) I vehemently disagree with his approach. The US cannot negotiate with terrorists, nor can it pay respect to terrorist actions. There are many valid reasons to support an anti-interventionist policy. But I don't think "look this is what happens if you don't" is one of them. It's like if a terrorist takes a hostage and demands X in exchange for the individual's release. If you submit to the demand, you invite the terrorist to take the action again. Essentially, what Ron Paul is saying is analogous to that.

3) Beyond that I believe that US has a moral imperative to intervene militarily under certain circumstances. An example of that is our involvement in Bosnia. And, under those circumstances, I obviously don't believe that doing so justifies the mass slaughter of innocent unarmed civilians, as is what happened on 9/11.

4) If you take Al Quaeda out of the picture, I do think what Ron Paul said has merit; we need to be sensitive to the perception of governments of countries in the middle eastern region - the governments, NOT the terrorists. I think Ron Paul got the delivery all wrong, and he jumbled up the message.

Yes, yes he did have a point.