Did Ron Paul have a point?

I like Ron Pauls Integrity on these Issues, the New World Order, Look at what is happening in the world, It's madness, up to 1 Million Iraqi's dead and that's only in the Latest venture, can it not possibly be that Some Muslim Countries and People are justified in their anger at that. 1 Million People.

Ron Paul was right....most educated people who were listening know this.

Spock: Appreciate the dialogue, I would still take issue with you on some points, but we are each individuals, unique in our own interpretaions.

You said:
"My support goes for someone that has not entered the race yet, but I will vote Republican, because on the libs side they are all dangerous"

I'm not affiliated with any party, and Texas being an open primary state, I don't have to affilate myself with any party, but if I did I would register as a Republican. No one can agree with every single thing about a candidate whomever it might be, but in the final analysis we should all vote for the candidate that most exemplifies the principals that our Republic was founded on and has demonstrated this over the long haul of his political career. The Constitution, Bill of Rights, personal liberties and our Republic itself are today hanging buy a thread. This election I believe will be the turning point for our Republic as we know it, and it is imperative that we each look long and hard into our hearts and souls before we mark that ballot an election day.

jpt - What was the reason for Iraq's invasion of Kuwait?

Hussein wanted the old Persian Empire back, his goal was Iran, Kuwait and Saudia Arabia.

Glen - one more point on oil, if he wanted Oil, wnd with the so called republican congress in past, we could of drilled here, where there is enough oil for generations.

Glen, you have good points, but It was under Reagan that Iraq was helped not Bush 41, and that was because Iran was a Enemy of the U.S. with their Act of War by taking US Hostages. We assisted the Afghan to defeat the Soviet Union invasion of Afghanistan during a Cold War era. At times we need to do these things, the problem is we never follow through, after Afghan pushed back the Soviets we turned our back on them, and the rest is history.

As far as dealing with Bin Ladens father, well the father disowned Usama before 9/11. If we are going to blame the parents or family well make room in our prisons.

As far as Oil, well if Pres. Bush wanted the oil we would of secured the fields and let the rest of the country go. The oil excuse is stupid.

First let me make this point before I go on, I do not support Guiliani, but what did he get from the middle east? My support goes for someone that has not entered the race yet, but I will vote Republican, because on the libs side they are all dangerous.

Economically we still are the strongest, though we will need to fight to keep it. Lowest unemployment, skyrocketing stockmarket.

Though the thing I am against is this immigration issue, which will destroy us. but like I said I do disagree with Pres. Bush on this one.

The problem I have with Ron Paul;, is the Blame America thing, and how he voted in past.

Turning Iraq to a Democray will help in defeating the Terrorist.

By the way did you know that today's terrorists are off shoots of Nazism, Arafats, Family and those in Iran worked with Hitler to fight Briton, In my opinion they are Nazi sleeper cells awaken. By the way the terrorist blame Christian for the second Crusade, I say second because the Muslims had the First Crusade against Christians. So this really has nothing to do with what we did.

Who created Al Queda?
The USA.

Who gave Saddam Hussein WMD's?
Rumsfeld and Bush the 1st.

Who was a business partner with Osama Bin Laden's daddy prior to 9/11?
Geore Bush Sr., James Baker, and Carlylse Investments.

Who protects dictators in Saudi Arabia in exchange for bribes accepted by family members? US leaders, George W. Bush took the Saudi funding to buy a MLB team, the TEXAS RANGERS!!!!

Love how this interventionism has created terrorists and rich elites!

It's working out real well if you are a Bush, Clinton, Cheney, Giuliani, profiting on creating terrorists!

These elite scum make money off the deaths of Americans. What happened to ethics? To being above board and not accepting bebies and conflict of interests?

Kissinger advises the USA while making money selling bombs?

Should we have the tobacco and alcohol companies teach our kids health education?

Are we that stupid?

Bill Clinton takes money from China and Dubai since he left office! A true American traitor just like the Bush family!

Clinton, Bush throw them in jail for selling out America for taking bribes. If you support them and others of their ilk like Rudyboy Giuliani you are a traitor to America!

RON PAUL 2008!

Who created Al Queda?
The USA.

Who gave Saddam Hussein WMD's?
Rumsfeld and Bush the 1st.

Who was a business partner with Osama Bin Laden's daddy prior to 9/11?
Geore Bush Sr., James Baker, and Carlylse Investments.

Who protects dictators in Saudi Arabia in exchange for bribes? US leaders, George W. Bush took the Saudi funding to buy a MLB team in TEXAS!!!!

Love how this interventionism has created terrorists and rich elites! It's working out real well if you are a Bush, Clinton, Cheney!

Bill Clinton taking money from China and Dubai since he left office! A true American Patriot!

Clinton, Bush throw them in jail for selling out America. If you support them and others of their ilk like Rudyboy Giuliani you are a traitor to America!

RON PAUL 2008!

Spock: My point is as Dr. Paul stated, "the CIA is correct when they teach and talk about blowback." The blowback of the Treaty of Versille which so bankrupted and humiliated Germany, was in part responsible for rise of a madman to power in Germany, and all the consequences you speak of after that. Retribution yes, but the Treaty of Versille went way past that. And no it didn't give an excuse to kill 12 million Jews. That was the work of a madman after the fact. You say, “ We still are against Imperialism?” When George Bush talked during the gulf war of a new world order, policed by the United States it was not just Iraq (OIL) he had in his sights. The U.S. is a declining economic power but is still by far the world's most powerful military power. The U.S. wants to be in a position to police any country which steps out of line with its economic interests. In recent years the American regime has demonstrated the role of this policeman in Vietnam, Panama, Grenada, Nicaragua and El Salvador among other countries. Like all policemen this one will not be influenced by concepts of democracy or justice but rather will serve wealth and U.S. interests alone. When I say US interests I’m not referring to the American People but of the entrenched congress, senate and President that completely disregard the Constitution and the constituents who elected them. We rejected the League of Nations then, we need to get out of the United Nations now, and get them off our soil. Also isolationism and non-interventionism are two different concepts.

Spock- Let me explain my understanding of Ron Paul's foreign policy. No more empire building + no more foreign aid= Less animosity in the world and in turn reduces "blowback" greatly. I am disappointed that you feel it necessary to insult me and question my patriotism. I love this country for the liberties it has given me but that does not mean I have no right to question our policies past or present. In fact, that is one of the most wonderful aspects of The Constitution.
One other note, I wish you would research Ron Paul's stance on Osama Bin Laden and the Afghanistan military intervention. He did/does support it and that is because they are actual enemies.

Glen - your point is? Did not Germany start WWI and lost, so they had to pay retribution. So that gives them the right to kill 12 million people. We still are against Imperialism, so your point. The League of Nations was more useless then the United Nations is today. So what is your point there?

Being isolationists is the reason we did what you said, so you prove my point.

Europe allowed Poland to fall thinking Hitler would not go further, Russia sign a non-aggression treaty with Germany, and they almost fell. We ignored and we got Pearl Harbor.

STOP Blaming the Victims. Stop Blaming U.S.

We followed Ron Pauls advice prior to WWII and History shows that was wrong!

Spock you say "Maybe if something was done in Germany prior to Blitzekreed 12 million people would of been saved!" That something should have been the repeal of the Treaty of Versille. The treaty basically bankrupted and humiliated Germany, making the idea of a facist who promises glory a good idea.
Also note: Following World War I, the United States rejected imperialism when it rejected the Treaty of Versille and the League of Nations.

MJ - By us supporting them gave them the military strength. so you contradict yourself. Start hating the enemy not the victims.

MJ get off the koolaid, Bush has created the path for Freedom to over 50 million people, We are not occupying Iraq, we are trying to bring peace there. If we were occupying the war would be over, our military would of wipe out everything, so please start supporting our country.

I guess you tunned out, there were at least 17 reason give, oh by the way it was Clinton that pas the Removal of Saddam bill anyhow What did he use on the Kurds? We did find some WMD's by the way. And yes even an Iraqi General under Hussein said the WMD's were moved to Syria, so stop buying the NYTs and do your own investigating. and when was "imminent threat" used, Iraq was a threat to our security was true. And did not the Iraqis and Afghan people vote, are we not woking the newl;y installed governments. STOP BLAMING the USA!!

Maybe if something was done in Germany prior to Blitzekreed 12 million people would of been saved! oh but they were an "imminent threat" at the time!

If we go his way, Lets put up the Starwars defense, build a wall between us and Mexico, and us an Canada, Stop all international Flights.

By the way what did we do to Japan before Pearl Harbor, we were isolationist before WWII, so there goes that idea.

Dr. Ron Paul didn't say the American People were responsible. His view (point) is that US foreign policy over the last 50 years is a contributing factor as to why other peoples would contemplate retalitory actions against us. I'm old enough to remember when the term "Ugly American" started being used, about 40 years ago. Remember back in 1776 we took retalitory actions against the English.

There is Hope for America. Dr. Ron Paul! Stand Up and Be part of it. See how he stands on the issues here.

You honestly believe Bush is responsible for creating freedom for 50 million people? If that is so, why is there a foreign country still policing and occupying their country? Is it really our right or duty as The United States of America to determine what is best for a country half a world a way and many more worlds apart in culture, religion, etc. I love what our country was founded on, The Constitution but that was the making of our founding fathers. Shouldn't the Iraqi people have the freedom to determine what is best for themselves(without any pressures the USA and large corporate interests)?
As for the WMD, it was the reason given to the American people and even congress to gain support for this war. The fact is we haven't found them and not even a remotely clear path to Syria exists. The "imminent threat" has proven to be just a tool of fear with little to no validation. You agree cutting off foreign aid to all countries aside from Israel will be beneficial to us. But, the fact is Israel is a very wealthy and militarily strong country so I don't see why we have to sponsor them. That right there is where a large of source of the animosity we face from the ME comes from. Anyways as long as we do continue to intervene in matters half way around the world we will be subject to "blowback" and that is fine as long you understand there are consequences for every action be it perceived as good or bad.

The answer in Intervention is to do it Properly. Now for another comment I would like to make Not since Lincoln has another President Like Bush has given the opportunity of Freedom to 50million plus people.

First the point is proven that Ron Paul does not see the conservative way, since Libs support him as seen below. As far as me being illogical well history shows that I am right.

The new regime took over under Carter, who sat back and appeased even why they held US hostages a direct act of War. Clinton appeased through out the 90's let me see the First World Trade Center bombing, and the numerous attacks after that.

I do agree we should stop giving money to all countries except Israel, they are very strong allies and are under attack for no reason other then wanting to live.

As far as Iraq, did they not invade another country that is ally to us. Was that not a UN choice to push them back, we did not invade Iraq the first time. They failed on 17 resolutions and after 9/11 can we take chances anymore or do we want to lose thousands of people first. And as far as Iraq not having WMD's- PLEASE !! Did they not use them. Since they were being helped by France who made millions from the oil for food and Russia use logic, that the WMD's were moved to Syria or other place. If Clinton did something in 1994 Hussein would of been out of power.

We stayed out of Japan and Europe at the beginning of WW2 and we got Pearl Harbor, so that proves that staying on the sidelines does nothing.

The old say Peace through Strength.

Ron Paul said what needed to be said. Even the democratic candidates would never say that, except for Mike Gravel. Sometimes hard truths and tough love is what is needed to make the American voter think a bit about how their abusive foreign policy is percieved abroad.

As the saying goes, its easy to teach a monkey wave a flag, but its hard to teach him to read the constitution.

Ron Paul is a a breathe of fresh air! A political figure that speaks the truth & reads important security reports! WOW! I'm voting for him.

Spock: Change your name because you are acting illogically.
SEE THE LAST SEVERAL COMMENTS.
Learn history.
We did NOT directly provoke the 9/11 attacks,
but we must acknowledge the blowback from our constant intervening in the affairs of other nations. Why do we always think that the answer to a string of failed interventions is MORE INTERVENTION?