Giuliani's Top Fundraiser Behind California Ballot Initiative

One addendum: if indeed Dems are trying to make things so that state electors are required to vote for whomever wins the national popular vote...that isn't right either. Fair is fair. Either leave the current electoral college system alone or abolish it in favor of one person, one vote, but don't mix the two. I am a so-called lib, but I will agree with that.

That said, however, it has been the Repubs who have done the most to further voter manipulation and fraud (cf. Dirty-Tom-Delay in Texas, among others).

Rudi Giuliani, in spite of his undeserved reputation after 9/11 is largely a corrupt, self-serving machine politician with a penchant for hypocrisy.

Sometimes I wonder how people like SteveW can continue to be right-wing shills and get away with character assassinations on their favorite straw-bogey-man-imaginary-enemy: the so-called "lib" (that means whatever they want it to mean). Cons are the ones who get away with puffing themselves up and Karl-Rove-izing (smearing) everyone who isn't an unthinking reactionary.
Bastardizing California's electoral votes isn't a 'non-issue'. Look what Republican voter fraud did in order to get Florida's electoral votes in 2000...voter fraud like what is proposed in California (voter fraud seems to be a trademark of Republicans)...is NOT a non-issue. It strikes at the very integrity of the vote and takes a state that is heavily democratic and tries to skew the rules so that it can be distorted into having republican-leaning electors that comes along.

I would chuckle over Rudi Giuliani if he weren't such a fraudulent individual with a face that looks like an old Nash automobile grill.

What about this effort by state Democrats all across the country to pass state laws that would require their respective states' Electoral College delegates to vote for the Presidential candidate who won the nationwide popular vote -- irrespective of the outcome of their respective states? This would be blantantly unconstitutional since the Electoral College delegates ARE NOT CURRENTLY BOUND to vote for the candidate with whom them are pledged. Where was all this indignation by Howard Dean and Chris Lehane as their own party attempted to circumvent the U. S. Constitution?

Sometimes I wonder how Libs can continue to get away with puffing themselves up and Howard-Dean-izing (primal screaming) about every non-issue that comes along.
I tend to agree with Rudy about the reapportionment thing--if you give a state's electoral votes to their Congressional districts individually, you might just as well let Congress elect the President. And, uh, personally, I'm thinkin' the less Congress has to do, the better. It doesn't pass the laugh test that Rudy would have anything to do with this idea, no matter where its money comes from. One good thing though--it gives me another chance to chuckle over something Howard Dean does, or says, or screams.

Rudy Giuliani is no hero.
While he is often called the hero of 9/11, the truth is that Rudy was a terrible leader during his years as mayor of New York City.
He made bad decisions and took a girlfriend while being married.
In fact, he even wanted his lover to live in the same house with his wife.
Most people would call this perverted.
New Yorkers were so sick of his antics, that they wanted him out of office.
Then came 9/11.
The only reason people call Giuliani a hero today, is because he just happened to be NYC's mayor during that bad time.
Any mayor would be looked at as a hero if they showed their face under those circumstances.
If there was no 9/11, Rudy would have become a joke.
This is not the kind of leader we want in the White House.
In closing, the New York Post reported in their paper on April 23, that Giuliani spent more than $48,000 dollars of campaign money on posh hotels while claiming to have spent the least of all the Republican candidates.
Rudy is a good time leader, and does it with other people's money.

George Vreeland Hill

Giuliani and his crew are a bunch of hacks. They are bumbling their way through the campaign trail... how could they possibly lead the country? Pack it up and save yourself the heartbreak, Giuliani.

Someone should tell Chris Lehane maybe before he throws stone he should tell Hilary to come clean

Who cares what Paul Singer did he is not running nor what he did was illegal. If so then Edwards should be charged also.

I agree, but on one item California should not have as much power as it does.

Winner takes all should be as it was meant to.

Correction. I should have said 53 Congressional District elections and 1 statewide election.

First of all, Howard Dean saying that this proposed change in the apportionment of the delegates for the Electoral College in California would somehow disenfranchise voters is ridiculous. Disenfranchisement is the act of depriving someone of their right to vote. This change does not deprive anyone of their right to vote. Second of all, it was the Democrats who attempted (and failed) this same thing in Colorado in 2004. And two states already have this manner of apportionment (Nebraska and Maine).

Now as for the idea of changing the apportionment, I personally oppose the idea. I am a very strong believer in the winner take all method. The proposed change would turn California into 53 county elections and 1 statewide election (for the remaining 2 delegates represented by the two Senate seats). Thus diminishing the power that California current holds within the process of electing the President of the United States.