Political Punch

Good morning Jake Tapper(10/03)I think a big mistake in the war is all the money issues that boggle the mind..but in that major arguement I think Sen. Obabma is coming down on MONEY in the wrong ideal..it seems the Senator feels that the war is part of some Check-Cashing Club--or Organization..maybe in the sense that Pres. G. W. Bush is at reins its a scheme..the cause of his brain Dis-order seems to be in the sense that the war travels a path of Planning where he(Sen. Obama)will surface in some future POOL of the same..BUT-his own making lessens the War(part)and just likes to attract the Scheme(part)..the man is a liar..there are many lies in the Democratic Plan to combat a Global Crime Wave..the Dems seem to get the smell of "righteous-ness from the "tail end" of the argument..rather than the HEAD-UP part of leadership..even HEAD-on..Sen. Obama is lost in his plans to be liar.

DKNY - Very simple - The Dems say that Iraq should be responsible for their own country and we should pull out, now the same Dems want to try and tell them how to run the country. Very simple. Are the Dems trying to occupy Iraq, or like conservatives and try to allow Iraq to become a growing Democracy, yes it will not be like ours (they might be thankful for that) but close.

There are over 1 Million Christians living in Iraq, my question is what about them?

These symbolic votes by our congress is a waist of time! Can they hit the benchmarks they set up Iraq's goverment , Ido not think so!

Cordelia: I second Chuck's point and James D, we've agreed before. Spock, as usual, I have no idea what you're talking about.

Cordelia, I didn't disagree with your comments; they were most appropriate. I was commenting more on the symbolic gestures this Congress loves to pass which have no practical hope of passage whatsoever. Yet, they think they're actually accomplishing something!

James, you see? Great minds do think alike--occasionally.

This do nothing congress is really something else. The surge is working, and yet they push for this, Hey why doesnot China's parliment vote for US to cut it military, (I know that would be duplicate of the Libs work).

Also what about the Christians that live in Iraq, do they not deserve something, or is it that the Libs do not like Christians (oh nevermind they said they do not)

Very interesting! Cordelia525, DKNY and Chuck, reading our many previous posts one might come away with the notion that we could never agree on anything. But we do in this case. This Senate resolution IS inappropriate and it IS "yet another example of our arrogance." If Abraham Lincoln had followed this Senate's advice in 1861, we might very well have spent the last 146 years as two or even three separate countries. I say "or three" because subsequent states might have decided they would not have wanted to belong to either the Northern or the Southern States of America and formed their own country. The United States was headed for a split in 1861, but Lincoln decided that it was worth fighting to keep it as one country in spite of the philosophical and idealogical differences between the North and South.

As to what the Iraqi government will eventually look like in 5-10 years, who knows? But we must let the Iraqis come to their own decision as to how best to work out their internal problems.

It is so interesting how this Senate (and the House for that matter) insists on placing political benchmarks as a way of determining whether Iraq is going to succeed politically. Especially when this Congress hasn't met very many of their own benchmarks that they promised to meet in 2006. But, at least for the moment, I won't go down that road as to stir up our own differences. We should relish this moment of agreement!

Chuck, DKNY - how would you feel if the legislature of Saudi Arabia resolved to have TX secede from the US? I mean, even if you were not a fan of TX, wouldn't you take offense to the idea of another state dividing your sovereign nation? That's what this was! Absurdity and arrogance gets a majority vote. *shakes head in disbelief*

The "Sense of the Senate" bill is a wonderful symbolic gesture since it is only advisory in its capacity, but if the Truth in Labeling law applied here, it would have to be renamed the "Nonsense of the Senate." Once again, this Congress offers up legislation which, although bipartisan this time, has no chance, no hope, no possibility of passage to become anything more than the symbolic gesture it is.

Why don't these legislators realize that passing advisory bills which this administration won't even take under advisement doesn't mean a hill of beans in the real world? Why don't they also realize that their "solution" means nothing if the Iraqis themselves don't want it or won't accept it? How can the Senators possibly think they can impose an external political "solution" by creating an entirely symbolic piece of legislation? These legislators, and I use the term most charitably, need to "wake up and smell the coffee!"

That is a really good article about partition, and while the idea sounds appetizing, you have to wonder how/whether it could work:

1--So Sunnis who live in a Shiite area will be given a time frame in which to pick up their lives and move to a new, unfamiliar place, in another part of the country? What of families that include Shities, Sunnis, and Kurds? What of minorities who are not any of the "big 3"?

2--I wonder what percentage of Iraqis view themselves primarily as being of a certain religion (as opposed to being Iraqis first). If that percentage is relatively low (I suspect it is, can this work?

3--And finally, as your article notes on the last page, Iraqis seem not to have much interest in this type of plan. If that's the case, isn't this just Capitol Hill mental masturbation, particularly in light of the Warnewr clause, which ultimately requires deference to the Iraqi people?

re the partition vote, I have to agree with Rice. It's inappropriate for the US to legislate partition. The fact that the vote even took place is yet another example of our arrogance. I'm surprised it got as much support as it did. Maybe I shouldn't be.

The dot-com report mentions the problem with Turkey. They're a valuable ally in a hostile region, and we'd be stupid to compromise that. It's one thing if the Iraqs resolve to partition Iraq on their own; it's quite another if we do it ourselves. As in, Turkey would hold us culpable in the latter situation.

I think we need to leave and let them sort it out on their own. That's the only way the government will have legitimacy.