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I can't speak for every precinct, but our precinct in Minneapolis was very unorganized and unofficial. The room that was reserved almost seemed like they tried to pick the smallest class room on the very large UofM campus. We did have a record turnout, but what do you expect with the state that our country is in. The leader admitted that he had no idea what he was doing and actually held a vote whether or not he should continue as the precinct leader. With a Unanimous vote of around 217 he continued with a smile to fumble through the pamphlet that was provided. One young man who looked just old enough to vote came forward to help (he had taken a free class at the student union) and really got things moving. Kudos to that Kid. Because of worry of fire hazard we decided with a vote to split the room for the straw poll, and we moved 217 into two college classrooms each made for 50. The straw poll was suppose to be taken on yellow pieces of paper which we had roughly 30 of who had all the Republican candidates. Allen Keys, Mitt Romney, Rudi G, McCain, Tancredo, Paul, Huckabee, . you get the point. So with another unanimous vote we continued to take the straw poll on pieces of cut white computer paper which were passed throughout both rooms. Everyone wrote who they wanted for President and then the room started clearing out. I tried to tell a group of people who were migrating towards the manila envelope and eventually the door that they might want to hang out to vote on a delegate or something (I wasn’t too up on things either) and they said they just wanted Romney and could care less about the local guys. After about 10 minutes about half the room still intact the leader decided to conjoin the rooms for the delegate process. the Straw Poll results McCain 33% Paul 30% Romney19%Huckabee 12% Giuliani 1% Obama1%. With the 90 or so left we elected delegates, voted, and came away with a little better idea of how great democracy really is. Hopefully next time Minnesota's caucus matters I will be a little better prepared. Shouldn't you?

Red State has its reasons and they are real ones. The problem though is, it will create a buzz that gets the Ron Paul supporters going crazy and doing the old conspiracy theory deal. Either way it is MORE coverage for Dr. Paul which is always a good thing.

I do find it funny how people have put the racist site, spammers and everything else into a general "ron paul supporters". Remember we are all individuals who are taking back the country "black helicopters" and all lol.

It's disgraceful to ban talk about Ron Paul. Shows how close-minded the GOP has become. All I know is that my children and grandchildren will be paying off the $9 trillion we owe, and we're still borrowing more. Wonder when China is going to come foreclose on us? It's not as crazy as it sounds...

It says everything when you people have for once a real human running for our biggest office and you attack then ban him from his own parties web site.
It's must be true what they said about the Republican Party in Ohio's last election. Can, "the hell with them, I'm not voting" be the slogan of the Republican Party.
Why bother voting, the election has been bought and paid for.
It's time to find some new hero's, I suggest from the ranks of the Military.

I don't get why people say Ron Paul supporters are really Demarcates wanting to be Republicans In reality Republicans used to be for smaller government and less war and into a freer market. today none of this applies to the Republican Party. especially Bush who wants to starve funding from the country borrowing trillions more fight wars, at the tax payers expense, to profit himself and his associates. I'm also going to mention our All Crappy Dollar.

I am a normal, conservative, intelligent, educated individual and I am absolutely offendend and horrified that anyone (or his supporters) would be "reprimanded" for believing so passionately in freedom. Haven't you just proven the message?

Yes, I guess Ron Paul is a nut case. Just as nutty as Washington, Jefferson and Madison. You know, those kooks who thought they could create this wonderful society through individual liberty and limited government. Where did they ever get a crazy idea like that? Just because that crazy idea worked is no reason to bring it back now. Well, here's another crazy idea: Ron Paul is the LAST hope for America. I believe it's God's way of saying, "I'll give you one last chance to save your country." If we blow this opportunity, I don't think we'll get another one. I don't think we deserve it. I sometimes wonder if we deserve this one.

Banning Paul from the web is disgusting and undemocratic. Banning any candidate from anything is disgusting and undemocratic! If you don't agree with Ron Paul, develop a cogent argument against him. Don't ban his supporters from speaking out! Goodness, what kind of America am I living in!?!?!

RON PAUL IS GOING TO WIN THIS THING
"Ron Paul doesn't have a chance to win. You can't fight City Hall. Death and taxes." It's all a bunch of enemy propoganda rolling across the our picket line. We saw it all throughout the Twentieth Century. Now, in the Twenty-first Century, it's time for us to stand-up tall, and to let the establishment know that we're not going to let them cram us into their rat maze anymore. We will no longer submit to their agenda of dehumanization and disenfranchisement. I don't know about you, but I'm concerned about what's happening in this broken and aching world I wake-up to each morning. I'm concerned about the systems of control wielded against us each day, and about the neverending, circular conflict between power and powerlessness which has been so corrosive to the American spirit. I want freedom, and more of it--not tyranny, and that's what you should want too. It's up to each and everyone of us to turn-loose just some of the greed, the hatred, the envy, and yes, the insecurities, because that is their most effective method of controlling us--make us feel pathetic and small so we'll, willingly, give-up our sovereignty, our liberty and our destiny. We have got to realize that we are being conditioned on a mass scale. Start challenging this corporate slave state that rules over us all. The Twenty-first Century is going to be a new century. Not the Century of Slavery. Not the Century of Lies. It's going to be age of Americans standing up for something pure and something right. What a bunch of garbage--liberal Democrats, conservative Republicans. It's all phony, poorly-staged, left-right paradigm designed to control you. It's two sides of the same coin--two management teams bidding for the CEO job of Slavery Incorporated. The truth is out there in front of you, hidden in plain sight, but they lay-out this buffet of lies for us to consume. I'm sick of it, and I'm not going to take a bite out of it anymore. Ron Paul is going to win this thing. The American people are too good. We're not a bunch of underachievers. We're going to stand-up together and beat the odds. We are going to get fired-up and use our creativity, our enegy, and our burning desire for freedom to show Slavery Incorporated that the dynamic human spirit of the Twenty-first Century refuses to submit.

Ron Paul is the cookiest of the cooky. And his followers are almost cult-like in their effort to push him on America. ButI agree with the moderator of the original blog. I believe that most of the spammers are liberals trying to end the war, so they pump him up and donate money, basically trying to rig the primary. They probably wouldn't vote for him in the general though, once they see his libertarian policies.

Jeff - Well that show first that Ron is not a real Republican, and it shows your lost of integrity.

If all the passionate supporters of Paul would spend more time investigating his congressional activities, they would find a lot more to seriously question. A chief example is that he has routinely inserted earmarks for pork spending to make constituents in his district happy. Then he hides behind his votes against the spending bills containing his earmark spending items. But those earmarks remain in those spending bills passed by Congress. Tell me, is that really virtuous behavior? His earmarks increase federal spending. Many have been for projects by the Army Corps of Engineers, many to funnel money to the Texas Department of Transportation (including one for repairs to the Galveston Trolley system), and one for Texas A&M University/Galveston Campus to convert the Texas Clipper for educational purposes; maybe this was the $30 million for the Texas Maritime Academy to refurbish a ship. And then there was the $8 million for the marketing of wild American shrimp and $2.3 million to pay for research into shrimp fishing. This seems like pretty conventional Republican politics. This year Paul has requested about $400 million worth of federal spending for his district – not exactly consistent with Paul's rhetoric on reducing federal spending and taxing. Paul the supposed constitutionalist has not found the courage either to support use of the Article V convention (gathering a convention of the states to bypass congress and propose constitutional amendments) as the route to achieving deep political reforms that Congress itself will never have the integrity to propose …
Here is some irony: With our thoroughly corrupt and rigged political system Ron Paul even if he makes sense in some important ways, has absolutely zero chance of becoming the Republican presidential nominee in our rigged system, regardless of his high level of grassroots support

I could never stoop so low to let myself vote for a Republician, not would I let my friends. But, Ron Paul is not that bad.. don't get me wrong I still wouldn't vote for him, but miles and miles better than all the rest of the GOP canidiates.

Did you see the last debate Ron Paul stated it was our fault, that was one of the times he got booed.

I believe in very small government and state rights so please. I was not stating my ideas, I was stating Ron's. And the funny thing is if it was not for him blaming US, and his nutcase supporters I probably would give him more of a thought.

Did America make mistakes, YES! and mostly all were done under Liberal Presidents, by not acting, Carter and Clinton being the most recent.

His idea of us becoming isolationists is wrong and deadly!

Well-said, Greg8898! Spock is simply incapable of understanding that the best government governs least.

Spock, you stated the common neo-conservative talking point that Mr. Paul "blames us" for 9/11. You think Mr. Paul believes the world's problems are "our fault." You couldn't be more wrong. Mr. Paul blames THE GOVERNMENT for making foreign policy mistakes and inciting hatred of us around the world. Anyone who claims to be a conservative should have no problem with a candidate who criticizes THE GOVERNMENT.

Mr. Paul does not blame us. Mr. Paul does not blame our military. Mr. Paul blames BUREAUCRATS who like to meddle in other nations' affairs. We conservatives were up in arms when it came to Clinton's Waco and Ruby Ridge fiascos--because the government screwed up! Why have neo-conservatives like you decided the government NEVER makes a mistake in the realm of foreign policy?

BELIEVING SO FIERCELY IN THE GOOD OF GOVERNMENT IS A LIBERAL POSITION, SPOCK.

Ps. The rest of the GOP candidates have no DETAILED healthcare plan to insure EVERYONE EQUALLY, EITHER (DESPITE the fact that they ALL claim to have one, NOT ONE of them has EVER ELABORATED on any)!!!

And yet...RON PAUL IS THE FRONT-RUNNER.
It is easy to see when you peal back the controlled mainstream media covers.
Ron Paul's Head-to-Head Straw Poll Records (Win-Lose-Tie):
Ron Paul v. Rudy Giuliani 32-5-0
Ron Paul v. Mitt Romney 24-13-0
Ron Paul v. Fred Thompson 22-14-0
Ron Paul v. John McCain 33-3-0
Ron Paul v. Mike Huckabee 30-5-1
Ron Paul v. Sam Brownback 33-2-1
Ron Paul v. Tom Tancredo 34-1-0
Ron Paul v. Duncan Hunter 33-2-0
RON PAUL clearly is WAY out front.
I don't care if it is in red states, blue states, whatever.
Though the corporate controlled media insists upon only reporting results of the Iowa poll that Romney won at a cost of about $1,000.00 per vote he received, or Texas that Huckabee won by some great campaigning, or the Value Voters poll over the weekend that Romney and Huckabee both managed to do well in and Ron Paul still placed third.
That now makes SEVENTEEN WINS for RON PAUL out of thiryseven straw polls. Ron has also scored six second place finishes, and seven thirds out of those thirtyseven.
Now I am no rocket scientist...
But to me, RON PAUL is leading the pack.
But the mainstream media is not reporting ALL of the facts here.
WHY would that be?
Hmmmm?
Let me see. MAYBE we don't have a free press?
Get it right RED STATES and ABC!!!

I kind of wish ABC would ban the Ron Paul spamming too. I for one am sick of it!!!

Ron Paul's ideas may be better than the rest of the GOP's, but THAT'S NOT SAYING MUCH...I mean, for one thing, his "good" ideas are NOT realistic, & secondly, he (DESPITE having been a DOCTOR) does NOT have any REAL HEALTHCARE PLAN for EVERYONE to be TAKEN CARE OF & AFFORDABLY (what would HE care anyway, when the healthcare plan of HIS OWN & HIS WEALTHY PEERS are already NICE & SECURE)!!!

bah - First Reagan's plan led to growth thru the 80's and 90'
You make no sense in your comments, because the only group that calls names are the libs, they hold people back

A little news for you corporations give jobs, that pay people so they can live, they create items in which to use.

Socialism or being closed to the world does not work either.

Please tell us what Clinton or Carter has done for this country?

All I know is they weakened it and gave power to terrorists and our enemies.

America and Conservatives are the most giving people in the world.

Lets compare A Lib mayor gave political hate speeches while the people of his city needed help. A republican mayor was working on scene with rescuers in his city.

Republican governors help their people in times of crisis, Libs blame everyone else and do nothing!

If you do not like the liberty here move to Cuba or Venezuela

republicans call names and try to hurt mostly ,but rhetoric and hyperbole aside, i really honestly dont hear any substantive (or believable) arguments to support +/- 98 % of what they preach, from abortion to stem cell research to foreign policy to economic policy , (remember r. reagan and his "trickle down" economic theory??" RIGHT!!),their obtuse and ignorant official stand on climate change, alternative energy, immigration etc etc etc....they dont care about those things if a profit isnt attached to them somewhere, they are takers, not makers.

anyone who seriously keeps up with politics in america can see the republicans and their ideals are going the way of the dinosaur (the hillary comet will do them in!) and additionally anyone with one iota of political savvy can see that ron paul is ,sadly,their last best chance to fool the ever dupe-able american voter once more so they can run amok politically,socially,militarily and economically for 4 more years.

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He speaks the truth whether he's Rep., Dem., Lib,Con, right or left.
He's record speaks for it's self.
I can handle the truth!

bah - First response to you - I think you mostly talking about the Libs.

Miranda - Ok Are the candidates really alienating them or are they alienating themselves because they looking for one of two issues which the President really has no control other then putting judges up, But in truth who are they going to hurt more if they allow Hilary to win, themselves because Hilary will put judges far more liberal then other (if you believe there can be)

Thompson did not repeat did not lobby for an abortion group he was a lawyer in a firm that appointed him to represent them on something, and a lawyer has to be ethical (if you believe that) and represent his client not his views, Thompson has received 100% approval from the pro-life. As far as gay unions he wants to leave it up to the states, (which a libertarion should agree with) but if it gets out of control he he then would support a amendment. He is a Strong conservative. Again you do not need to agree with a candidate on 100% of the issues, if you try you will have Hilary and all you support will be gone.

Side Note: anybody notice how Libs care more about illegals and other countries them american citizens?

Uniblogger01 - Huchabee is a very good candidate, but unfortunately his name recognition

Miranda - The Republican Liberty Caucus, founded in 1990 in Tallahassee, Florida by ex-Libertarian Party member Eric Dondero Rittberg, claims to represent the GOP's libertarian Republican movement.

What helped Reagan were Blue collar Dems, now called Reagan Dems, Economic Conservatives and social Conservatives

What helped Pres Bush 43 were the Religous conservatives.

What will help Hilary is the in fighting which is being fueled by her.

But your reference then is they will not support the Republican then how are they for what you say they are, because they will not even have a voice under Clinton. So who loses!

Ron Paul's comment about the problems in the world being our fault is not a Republican stance, it is a liberal stance. Funny thing is I kinda said he was not that bad until I noticed the liberals faking support for him and his other nutcase followers, Like I said in previous posts they are the ones hurting him the most.

As far as Perot, he did not win a state so it could not of been 1/3, it just was enough for Bush 41 to lose, and what you say is true they hurt themselves more then anybody. Bush 43 would of won in 2004 either way.

Andrew Actually if you belive pols then it is 40% the 20% is the Dems in congress

If a candidate is a member of the CFR, DO NOT vote for them. Ron Paul is the only one who isn't a part of the "Establishment" and owned. How can any person with a brain not want Ron Paul for their leader??...I really don't understand alot of you bad mouthers of Ron Paul, the only thing that comes to mind is you are way ignorant on how this country is actually operated. RON PAUL 2008 !!!

i hope it works out that way chuck,but given the intellect of the avg american and their propensity to be a sucker 110% of the time , i see a possibility ,albeit small,that ron paul could be elected president.

i mean, even hitler and even saddam were pretty popular ,owing that popularity almost in total to huge political campaigns organized by their fanatical supporters with a specific purpose,ie; to make these monsters appear more palatable to the more sway able citizens which ,when added to the censoring and silencing of any alternative or differing points of view, led to a mostly total, reverential, almost god like respect and following for those tyrants.inexplicable you say,but it happened.

not saying that exact scenario is possible here, but i am concerned and
discouraged with the inability of the american voter to not be hoodwinked by 21st century snake oil salesmen such as ron paul...

If Rep. Paul no longer feels welcome in his political party (and there is increasing evidence that he does not), he most definitely should run as a third-party candidate. Then, all the Republicans who were cheering for Ralph Nader in 2000 for taking votes from VP Gore will know exactly how it feels as Rep. Paul siphons off vote after vote from their candidate.

heh i like that term "moderate republicans" andy.

true dichotomy if i ever heard one.

are those the republicans that support health care for kids? or just SOME kids?

a moderate republican is like a flying whale, i havent ever seen one personally...

shame on you ron paul.

being a blatant republican like rush limbaugh and saying you are one is one thing, but by renaming yourself something other than a republican eg;,libertarian,independent,etc...thereby trying to fool the gullible american voter into voting for you as some kind of better alternative to the republicans,you are, in essence and deed patently enabling those same republicans (and their twisted agenda) to have even more time wielding the veto sword from the bully pulpit)and consequently you are showing your true nature ;ie good subservient republican lackey.

vote for ron paul!!!!!! mr clean cut libertarian!!

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I actually look at it as a good thing, Ron Paul supporters now won't waste their time preaching to the 20% of the population that still supports Bush.

Instead they can focus on the moderate republicans.

honestly, the republicans ceased to be a political party whose ideals/thoughts/whims should be given serious consideration when they elected an actor to rule the most powerful nation on in the history of the world.

all they care about is SELF SELF SELF.

as a party;

they dont care if bridges are falling in. they dont care if roads are falling apart.
they dont care if schools are in disrepair and educational standards are falling.
they dont care if the environment gets abused.
they dont care if illegal aliens are running rampant.
they dont care if little kids dont have adequate or even basic health care.
they dont care if old people have any assistance or not.

they dont care about ANYTHING ,except how much their TAXES are going to go up ,or down this year, OR if they can make a PROFIT off of something, even if that profit is made at the misfortune of the nation/its citizens.

that is,in a nutshell,the republican voters' voting agenda, they care about 0 outside their own greedy financial status.

basically,sadly,the republicans,as a party dont care about anything much because CARING COSTS $$.
they are the political party old scrooge wouldve been tightly affiliated with ,no doubt.

"go get/find your own crutch ,tiny tim ,dont bother me ,im too busy getting rich(er)..."

elect ron paul (aka republican) for more of that type mentality.

spock:

"The group with the most influence is the Social Conservative which include the religious right that is what brought President Bush the Largest Popular vote in Election History! in 2004!"

oh don't worry the leadership is awfully busy alienating them as well. You think Romney or Guiliani are going to bring out the religious right? McCain still has his issues with that crowd and even Thompson lobbied for abortionists!

yeah, who cares about smaller gov, 2nd amendment rights, secure borders, pro-lifers, ect...

i guess Murdoch is going to cast enough votes himself to win the WH for the GOP(of course he is also backing Clinton but who really cares right).

let me clarify- he pandered to libertarians, he rarely delivered, and we went along because the other choice was the dems and we were staring at the soviets across the way. things have changed and the Republicans are busy dismantling their own party.

Spock

are we living in the same country?
Reagan absolutely pandered to libertarians: "“Libertarianism is the heart and soul of conservatism.”

libertarians have been a part of the GOP alliance since the 30's. have you never heard of fusionism? They won congress in '94 because of pandering to libertarian republicans small gov values(even campaigning on the abolition of certain departments). Paul isn't for open borders, it's the exact opposite! I suggest you do some research or go back to class little boy. i'll even help a little, look up "The Neoconservative Persuassian" by Irving Kristol(neocon grand daddy) which explains why old right/libertarian/fiscal conservatives HATE neocons.

Spock.. your arguement is illogical. Are you trying to say that no republicans live in "deeply blue states". Did the Dems flood the text lines for Huckabee as well? Or could you admit that he actually did pretty good at the debate. As far as Ron Paul receiving boos, the audience was hand picked and his anti-war stance sets him up for such ridicule by the rest of the war-mongering GOP.

Miranda - Libertarian Republicans sometimes support secure borders, along with a guest worker program. They may be more likely than other Republicans to support LGBT social movements. Some Libertarian Republicans may be considered to be comfortable with higher levels of defense spending and American military presence abroad than Libertarian Party members, paleolibertarians, or other libertarians. They differ from some Republican conservatives in that they may favor the separation of church and state. They may be pro-choice or pro-life and they also may be for or against the death penalty. They are usually advocates of gun rights and some other personal freedoms. They claim to favor limited government involvement in many areas of life.

They are not Libertarians!

Ron Pauls is for no presence outside the US, lower Military spending and Open Borders where does that fall!

Now as far as in Politics Well Lets put it this way I liked Ford, Very Much Loved Reagan who by the way was able to win big not bowing to the Libertarians. Since the Libertarian-Republican movement did not start until the 90's, so where did they ever help the Republicans anyhow, did not Clinton win in the 90's.

The problem here is if the so called Liberatian-Republicans decide to have an ego well then they vote for Hilary, talking about spiting the face besides the nose.

Go with the candidate that you support 80% of the time not the one you never support.

Do you really think the blogging is from true Libertarian-republicans. do not think so.

The group with the most influence is the Social Conservative which include the religious right that is what brought President Bush the Largest Popular vote in Election History! in 2004!

ROYCE:

You think a Ron Paul 3rd party will draw votes away from the GOP like what happened with Perot?

Ask yourself a couple questions: Why would they go 3rd party in 2008, why did they go to Perot then, what are they seeking that the GOP isn't providing, and isn't it kind of important to keep those folks with the GOP by not ridiculing and alienating them. maybe even reach out and show some appreciation to about 1/3 of your own base so you DONT LOSE THE ELECTION when they vote Dem, vote 3rd party, or stay home?

Hey JC, there will still be lots to blame on Bush in 2015. We won't dig our way out of his mess for several decades. And that's assuming we get somebody financially resposible like Bill Clinton in office again.

A vote for Paul as a Libertarian or independent is a vote for Clinton. If Giuliani gets the Republican nomination it won’t really matter. Clinton and Giuliani are politically interchangable.

Whose afraid of this Big Bad Wolf Ron Paul anyway?? Well, neocons and ultra libs should be because he carries the Constitution as his BIG STICK!

If you spend ten minutes on the web you'll see why Ron Paul supporters need to be banned. It's not for their political viewpoint. It's because they pollute every single comment section of unrelated news with Ron Paul propaganda. I have little doubt they have chased away more votes than they ever gained by such annoying actions.

A vote for Paul as a Libertarian or independent is a vote for Clinton. If Giuliani gets the Republican nomination it won’t really matter. Clinton and Giuliani are politically interchangable.

I love how this turned from "Ron Paul will no longer be supported by Red State" into "This is all Bill and Hillary's fault".
Man, that anti-Clinton crowd is unbelievable.
Look, I understand why you guys don't like him; I don't like Bush.
But if it's 2015, and I'm STILL blaming all of our problems on Bush, someone slap some sense into me.
GET OVER IT ALREADY!!!!
Yeah, Bill got some loving in the oval office. Why do you care so much? Are you jealous?

By the way, you guys are right about Ron Paul...He's honest...He cares about the Constitution....He's definitely not a Republican.

scene// me thinking //

"well,come to think of it the american voter DID elect ron reagan (most famous for making movies with a chimp as his sidekick!!) and both bushes (most famous for pillaging the american economy for 2 decades)...

ya know ,maybe they ARE ignorant enough to elect another loser/republican/money grabber."

//me shakes head/rolls eyes // end of scene

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Ron Paul's supporters seem to have a gripe, but in this context, only the following gripe: news services change the rules or disregard results when polling outcomes suggest that those outcomes are determined by something other than what those polls are intended to measure; that is to say, when a news service runs a mock election, say, and Paul "wins," the news service views that result as discrediting the mock election, not crediting Ron Paul.

Without taking a position on Ron Paul, I think the news organizations are probably right to assume that something "wrong" is going on (fairly or unfairly, at this point, Ron Paul probably wouldn't get out of single digits if vote were done in a more traditional fashion), but it is their own fault for focusing on polling results and "crediting" such things as text and internet voting.

I should also point out, Spock, that Mr. Bush and the Republican party ran a DEMOCRAT against Mr. Paul in his Congressional race. Strange, huh?

Maybe they're the ones who are backed by the "Clinton/Soros Groups."

Why are so many people scared of Ron Paul? I will tell you why. He and the energetic supporters will not stop until they are heard. Our government has been silencing the people for years. I am a hard core conservative but I see the light and will do whatever it takes to help Ron Paul take back our counrty from the Neo-Cons and the socialists. Ask yourself, "Am I being led down the path to slaughter?" Some introspection maybe necessary!

Ron Paul is making the news, whether it be good or bad, and to me that is a good thing. It will give the American public a reason to research his views, and he will get additional supporters from this because his name is getting out. I had a feeling if most media sources could not black him out or report news on him, they would turn to bashing him. Our media started doing that way back before Bill Clinton. Ron Paul has my support and my vote.

Dead is better than Red.

Tess, California

Uniblogger01 the reason being they did not acknowledge his text poll is because they know the libs purposely over ran the texts, see they know most came from the same area (by area-codes) and mostly fron deep blue states.

Though please note he was the only one that got loud Boos at the debate!

First Libertarians do not make up 1/3 of the Republicans, duh they are Libertarians NOT Republicans.

Ron probably will help the Republicans win if he runs as a third party, especially if what I think is true, that the people that are supporting him are Libs in Republican clothing. In the debate he sounded more like a lib then a conservative.

Yes and Hilary will donate to a third party that will help her, just as the Dems donated to Perot.

Hilary better worry about Bloomberg !!1

Ron should pull out of the race now, I will never understand why people that keep losing keep running!

Ron Paul is not part of the GOP Nomenclatura, and so in the eyes of that Class he simply is not Republican. The GOP Nomenclatura have become so self-absorbed with their "conservative" rhetoric and shibboleths that they are quite incapable of even perceiving what they do not "expect" to see.

Ron Paul, a wolf in sheeps clothing for the demo's.

Senator John McCain once refered to Ron Paul as "the most honest man in Washington". Obviously, "honesty" is what our current government fears the most.

Royce:

You think a Ron Paul 3rd party will draw votes away from the GOP like what happened with Perot?

Ask yourself a couple questions: Why would they go 3rd party in 2008, why did they go to Perot then, what are they seeking that the GOP isn't providing, and isn't it kind of important to keep those folks with the GOP by not ridiculing and alienating them. maybe even reach out and show some appreciation to about 1/3 of your own base so you DONT LOSE THE ELECTION when they vote Dem, vote 3rd party, or stay home?

Another blow to Freedon of Speech....remember the truth shall set you free

To "conservatives":

great idea, libertarian-republicans make up about 1/3 of the gop base and they've been unhappy for years. you shoo away the small gov guys and you also busy shooing away the religious right. who do think will show up to vote for the republican nominee when you alienate 2/3 of your base and diss the only candidate attracting newcomers?

Most of the pro-Ron Paul posts read as if they are written by 2-3 people with multiple screen names. Their fanaticism drove me away. After I did a bit of digging I learned that while he isn’t my last choice, he isn’t my first either. ..... Ron Paul is very unlikely to win the Republican nomination. He is very likely to run as a Libertarian or independent which will pull votes away from the Republican candidate, thus putting Hillary in office. He will do for Hillary what Ross Perot did for Bill. And Hillary won’t even thank him. ... This prophesy stuff ain’t all that tough.

ron paul = republican in sheep's clothing.

a vote for him is a vote for more republican tax cuts for rich people.
anyone who is fooled by the rhetoric is just that...

ron paul is a non starter whose presence in the next presidential race is practically guaranteeing the democrats a president by dividing the conservatives. ronnie p is making it even easier for hillary (& bil) to move right back into the oval office. thanks rp!

GO RON PAUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Public opinion service Rasmussen Reports recently released data from its October 12-14 polling that indicates that Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul leads his GOP opponents against Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton among likely voters ages 30-49. He is the leading White House contender for the key demographic, polling higher than Clinton among baby boomers. Congressman Paul polls in at 47 %, compared with Clinton’s 44%, among likely voters aged 40-49. The 30-49 demographic has been a key indicator in recent elections, and one in which Republicans tend to fare well in hotly-contested elections. In 2004, exit polls reveal that George Bush beat John Kerry 53% to 46% among 30-44 year olds, and all accounts indicate that this will be the most instrumental demographic in the 2008 presidential election as well.

That's funny. ABCnews bans anti-clinton words like Hillbill_y and Bill_ary. Seems like ABC is the pot calling the kettle black. Practice what you preach, Jake.

At the risk of being labeled a "spammer", I do want to commend ABC for providing a much more evenhanded level of coverage of Ron Paul's campaign than others. One unnamed network did what appeared to be a very poorly-edited report last week that included the incorrect assertion that Dr. Paul wants to lop the Social Security program off at the knees, when in reality he wants to not only keep our promises to those who have paid into the program, but has also fought Congress' taxation of Social Security benefits.
The host of the show on another network did a vicious hatchet job complete with clips of Ron Paul that were so short that the context of what he said was turned upside down, and for good measure added circus big-top music in the background.
Other networks' coverage has been limited to very negatively-spun stories that I consider free negative campaign ads for the other candidates.
Only the News Hour with Jim Lehrer has given Ron Paul more at-length of an opportunity to provide details of the same positions he's defended with honor for over twenty years.
Aside from George Stephanopolous's "you don't have a chance comment" to Dr. Paul, I think ABC has been fairer than most.
Thank you.

The MAINSCREAM media failed so thoroughly they have to resort to further brainwashing, as the first wave did not take...VOTE DEM and enjoy the payback

Doesn't matter Red State is joke anyway, Ron Paul supporters were the only reason that hate filled blog got traffic in the first place.

DKNY - I was about to log off, but I did not want you to miss me, Tell me when has Hilary ever spoke of Liberty, Life and the Pursuit of Happiness, NEVER! She speaks of shutting down Radio (Chavez is doing that now), taking money from everyone to redistribute (higher taxes), Socialized Medicine (Universal Healthcare)
So Please unless you are a Zombie, and you could open your eyes and see this.
How many people make it under Socialism - None, Under Bush More people especially minorities have become millionaires (and for libs that people with over 1,000,000 dollars not those with only 20,000) Do you realize that Clinton wants to raise taxes on people making from 15 Thousand dollars and up. Not just millionaires. See rolling back Bush tax cuts that brought us record tax revenue will tax people from 15,000 since Bush raised the exempt from Clintons 15,000 to 20,000.

I would not put it pass the libs to put a stooge in the Republican race, because this is pretty much their last chance for the 60's throwbacks to get power!

How many dead democrats are going to vote in the 08 election, how many illegals are going to vote for Hilary, (Why do you think Spitzer is doing what he is doing)

Can't wait to read how this is the fault of "libs" and Hillary Clinton's "marxism."

Ron speaks more like a Lib then a conservative, but I sadly to say he might be further out then even the libs. He wants to bring us to pre-WWII nevermind the libs bringing us to pre-9/11.

But I think they are right the Liberals are probably using him to upset the Republican Candidates, since the Libs are low and play dirty trick it would not surprise me. Whether Ron is part of it or not I do not know but last time he ran he did not run on the Republican ticket I give him the benefit and push on the Clinton/Soros Groups that are doing it.

Red State is merely announcing the policy that many of the MSM media sites are already instituting against the Ron Paul minions. They refuse to cover him and even Fox News will not formally acknowledge that he won the viewer's text poll after Sunday night's debate. Yet Huckabee is the MSM's new guy after placing second. But that's alright, you can't ban us from the polls and this is not China (yet), so we can scour the net for the "real" news.