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Confederate Flag? Where?

October 29, 2007 6:21 PM

The Rev. Al Sharpton has just issued a statement criticizing Vice President Dick Cheney since it has been reported to him "by media" that the Vice President's hunting trip Monday is being conducted at the Clove Valley Rod & Gun Club in Union Vale, New York, where, Sharpton alleges, "there is a Confederate Flag hanging at the club."

I do not know this to be true.

In fact, it seems fairly clear that Rev. Sharpton does not know this to be true.

A friend of mine who has been hunting there insists he never saw such a flag hanging there.

Over at the White House, ABC News' Martha Raddatz reports that Lee Anne McBride from the Vice President's office says that no one in the Vice President’s party saw a confederate flag, or was aware there was one.

"Until this issue was raised by the press, we were not even aware of this," McBride says. The VP's office cannot confirm whether in fact there IS a flag at the club.

Nonetheless, Sharpton says he's "calling on Vice President Cheney to leave immediately and denounce the club and apologize for going to a club that represents lynching, hate, and murder to black people."

That is a big jump from hearing gossip about a club to asserting that the club represents all sorts of hateful criminality.

I just called the club to get a response … no one answered; I left a message.

"In this age of Jena and hangmen nooses all over the country, for the Vice President to relax under the flag of the hangmen nooses is an unpardonable insult to all Americans, particularly Blacks," Sharpton goes on.

"He ought to leave immediately, call for the flag to be brought down at once, and apologize for being connected to an institution that would be insensitive enough to fly it in the first place."

Sharpton goes on to threaten that if the Vice President doesn't leave the club, he "will bring a delegation of clergy to lead a prayer vigil in the immediate future."

Forgive me for asking this … but does this seem rash at all to anyone?

-- jpt

UPDATE: The Sharpton team e-mails me to tell me that both the NY Post and NY Daily News will have photos of the flag that they are breaking tomorrow. I look forward to learning more. Where was the flag hanging? Whose flag is it? It's a potentially very ugly story... but these kinds of stories call for measured responses -- and facts -- from everyone.

UPDATE 2: Read more HERE.

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for someone who descended from dixiecrat strom thurman, bigot sharpton sure knows how to condemn the south. and it's sad for someone who claims to be religious and rev. to desecrate a flag that was patterned after one of christs desciples.

Posted by: lanny d | Feb 28, 2008 7:38:52 PM

My 14 year old son came home from school today quite upset. His teacher pretty much called him a racist because he wears a hat with the confederate flag on it. When he explained to her that is hat has nothing to do with racism, she started comparing the confederate flag to the nazi flag. What is the deal with our teachers today? My son is proud to wear the flag just as he is with the american flag. People need to sit down and read their history and quit being a biggot.

Posted by: karla doty | Jan 11, 2008 9:35:09 PM

the sky is amense and amaxing and to all that do not believe such things they are ridonclulus and the sky should be looked up to by all who love and live apon this plantet!
PEACE!!!!

Posted by: sierra and zoe | Nov 28, 2007 4:15:23 PM

Where the hell was Sharpton when Hillary took campaign contributions from a man that claimed black people are inferior to whites?


Where was he when Roger Clinton was caught on tape saying the "N Word" over and over again? (search Roger Clinton tapes)

All this proves is that Sharpton really doesn't care about racism. All he cares about it politics. He can point fingers at Republicans but when a Democrat steps up to the racist plate, he is nowhere to be found. He is a hypocrite and just causes more problems for black people by stirring up more racism. He doesn't want racism to die because then he would be a nothing and have to get a normal job like everyone else, black or white!

Posted by: anonomous | Nov 9, 2007 6:24:01 PM

Hey Sharpton,

You poor, ignorant excuse for a human being, please take a history class and then just go somewhere far away, never to be annoyed by again. Hell would be fine.

Posted by: Bill | Nov 4, 2007 9:11:46 AM

Does one draw a parellel..??..//..Al Sharpton truly has a queer nose for news..considering he espouses the Lord as his Savior I truly find the man lacking in both Hindsight and 20/20 vision as a regualr demaeanor..instead he has chosen the absurd white-race as his Calling Card for right&wrong..I have found many things to ignore just being a single person and attempting to make my way home..Al Sharpton never seems to fall into my scope of right&wrong..so I get the reasoning in my head that Drugs and Prostitution are NOT on the Al Sharpton...urge to purge--revolution..and his sense of PURPLE really make me laugh anyway.

Posted by: Mark S. M. | Nov 1, 2007 4:16:39 AM

If the story is true the VP should be ashamed because he represents the United States of America, not the Confederate States. I don't think it's racist, but it is treason. If the Union had lost I doubt if we would be allowed to raise the flag of the United States of America. The confederate flag represents southern states, while the Unites States flag is inclusive of all the states of America. You can have your history, but some history should not be happily displayed in public. As for racism, they are racist who fought for the union and some who fought for the confederacy. If you recognize that some people are offended please don't tell them to get over it, explain why they shouldn't be, that is, if you care about their feelings.

Posted by: Rasheed | Oct 31, 2007 5:25:35 PM

Al Sharpton needs to just shut up..I'm a proud Texan and Southerner. My family has lived in the South ever since they landed in Virginia so many years ago. I proudly display the Confederate Battle Flag in honor of my heritage and ancestors who fought for Dixie. They weren't fighting for slavery. They were fighting for the same principals as George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Patric Henry etc. They fought for States Rights, less taxs, and less government. That is something we have way too much of, and it is true that the real America died at Appamattix. The Confederate flag represents them and everything that used to be right in our land. It is true that hate groups have miss-used our flag for their purposes, but they have and do also use the U.S. flag which in my opinion has more to do with racism if you want to start throwing mud. It flew over all slave ships and legalized slavery, it flew over the illegal invasion of the South. It flew over all the cruelty that was thrust upon all Southerners black and white. Over all the plundering, burning, killing, and raping of Southern people, and it flew over all the oppresion of the American indians, so in all reality ole Al should be hateing on the U.S. flag and leave ours alone. He's the biggest racist in this country.

Posted by: Wes | Oct 31, 2007 3:42:34 PM

The Confederate battle flag is no more racist than American flag. What if the war and the flag never came into exsistance? How much longer would al and his people been enslaved? Had the Southern States not fought for their states rights, how long would slavery been legal in the United States? There is no telling. So it seems to me, that al and his people were freed because of the Confederate Flag far more than the American Flag. al and his race cronies should emancipate themselves from mental slavery! They are the only ones that can free their minds.

Posted by: Mike Davis | Oct 30, 2007 11:14:11 PM

I fly the Flag on a daily basis as I am proud of my Southern Heritage. I will not be pressured by scum like Sharpton to remove it. My family has been in the country since 1608 and fought many battles to make this country what it used to be, not what it has become today. If he and his people are unhappy here then I suggest he leave. He is not nor will he ever be welcome in or near my property.

GOD SAVE THE SOUTH

Posted by: Joseph E. Fleming | Oct 30, 2007 10:15:26 PM

Associated Press - October 28, 2007 3:24 PM ET

HAVANA (AP) - Abraham Lincoln alongside Che Guevara? Cuban leader Fidel Castro linked the two today in a newspaper column ridiculing American calls for democratic change in Cuba.

Castro praised Lincoln for abolishing slavery in the United States. He wrote that the Civil War president was "anchored to the just idea that all citizens are born free and equal."
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Americans today also are not aware that Abraham Lincoln was a correspondent of Karl Marx, the so called father of Bolshevik Communism which explains the brutal military revolution that was perpetrated by Abraham Lincoln against the Confederacy of our Founding Fathers in 1861. The letters to Lincoln from Karl Marx have been discovered in an old trunk in an attic of an old house close to the White House. It is important to note that Slavery was never the real issue. At the time of our Founding Fathers slavery existed throughout the world as it did in the American Colonies, including white bond servants. At the time of Lincoln, slavery existed in the North as well as the South. Also, it is interesting that the after the Red armies of the Bolshevik Communists conquered Russia they called their new communist government the "UNION of Soviet Socialist Republics".

Posted by: Jimmy shirley | Oct 30, 2007 10:04:16 PM

The confederate flag isn't only about racism, but also treason. Anyone connected to this flag should be charged with conspiracy to overthrow the government and more.

Posted by: Curtis McTavish | Oct 30, 2007 9:55:58 PM

So many of these posters have it exactly right. The media does a very good job of ignoring much of what a lot of decent, real Americans would like to see covered on the news.
Why not begin to ignore these jesse and al germs? Simple as that!
The Confederate Battle Flag represents more than Southern Heritage. It represents honour, courage, valour, nobility, fidelity to the loftier imaginations and aspirations of man, ideals that come only from God. It represents the sort of characteristics that we both expect and demand from our warriors who are in the armed forces of these united States of America.
Deo Vindice!

Posted by: Jimmy shirley | Oct 30, 2007 7:58:19 PM

This has gotten way out of hand. It's almost 2008 and we're still focusing on a flag that is, although very contraversial, the Mississippi state flag. To attack the vice president for being in the the same vicinity as the flag is unneccesary and a pathetic attempt to obtain publicity. No black man or woman I am friends with is or ever has been a slave. Furthermore, none of them feel they need any apology or any kind of compensation for their ancestors terrible treatment and racial discrimination in the past. The truth is that racism is very alive today, but, as a resident of the state of Mississippi, I find nothing wrong with the state flag. I do not flaunt it, as I realize some overly sensitive people may be offended, but I don't find any error in being around one. You won't solve the crime of racism by picking apart every aspect of a man who is obviously not a racist man.

Posted by: Lin | Oct 30, 2007 5:32:46 PM

On the day racism no longer exists,people like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton will be out of business,why do you think they keep fanning the flames?..job security...

Posted by: Ramage100 | Oct 30, 2007 9:34:19 AM

Hey Jeff

The "Confederate Flag" is an American flag and millions of Americans revere it. Of course, millions of Americans don't care much for it either....Now tell me, where is it written that the first group which holds it dear, must surrender its rights to those who don't? I'm waiting for some talking head like yourself to offer a logical explanation as to why this is so? So far, none of you pious pontificators have come through with that explanation. In fact, all I get from y'all is SILENCE! Are you going to join your fellow journalists and hide under your desk? I await your insights - but I won't hold my breath.

And as far as "further investigation" goes, here's some food for your "further investigation"

“Apologize”? Is he kidding? Steven Pagones, the family of Yankel Rosenblum, the Central Park Jogger, and many more - they're all waiting for apologies for from sleazy Al and his team.... None seem forthcoming however. Why don’t you and your fellow talking heads in the media put the pressure on him to apologize, I wonder?

Oh yeah, one more thing for you to investigate - since he claims to be a "Reverend, maybe you can do some research and find out where he got his degree in theology? Or does he have one at all?

And where oh where is his CONGREGATION? Maybe someone should put a group
picture of a bunch of people on the side of a milk carton with the caption underneath

MISSING! HAVE YOU SEEN AL SHARPTON'S CONGREGATION???

You want to investigate? I’d say you have a lot of work in front of you

Posted by: Bill Vallante | Oct 30, 2007 9:15:38 AM

The flag looks like it is posted on a standard door on a storage shed (not the 3 foot by 5 foot flag as mentioned in the news story). So, Dick Cheney is supposed to know what someone has hung in a storage shed at a club that he has probably rarely, if ever, visited? I don't think that is realistic. Why doesn't the press force Al to at least apologize to the innocent Durham Three that he tried to imprison instead of giving him yet another forum to call attention to himself?

Posted by: Clint Johnson | Oct 30, 2007 9:02:16 AM

Many people died for that flag. It has NOTHING to do with color. Al Sharpton is the biggest racist on the planet and a glory seeker. Give it up loser and get a real job.

Posted by: Truth | Oct 30, 2007 8:12:39 AM

Hopefully some people will take more time to read, get educated about the Confederate Flag and set aside their personal prejudices and bigotry before putting their foot in your mouth.


This article is a good example of how shallow some people can be. You'd think they would want their kids go get a full education in 2007.

Posted by: Virginia | Oct 30, 2007 8:11:11 AM

Axe me if i cares...

Posted by: beeker77 | Oct 30, 2007 8:09:10 AM

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