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Confederate Flag? Where?
October 29, 2007 6:21 PM
The Rev. Al Sharpton has just issued a statement criticizing Vice President Dick Cheney since it has been reported to him "by media" that the Vice President's hunting trip Monday is being conducted at the Clove Valley Rod & Gun Club in Union Vale, New York, where, Sharpton alleges, "there is a Confederate Flag hanging at the club."
I do not know this to be true.
In fact, it seems fairly clear that Rev. Sharpton does not know this to be true.
A friend of mine who has been hunting there insists he never saw such a flag hanging there.
Over at the White House, ABC News' Martha Raddatz reports that Lee Anne McBride from the Vice President's office says that no one in the Vice President’s party saw a confederate flag, or was aware there was one.
"Until this issue was raised by the press, we were not even aware of this," McBride says. The VP's office cannot confirm whether in fact there IS a flag at the club.
Nonetheless, Sharpton says he's "calling on Vice President Cheney to leave immediately and denounce the club and apologize for going to a club that represents lynching, hate, and murder to black people."
That is a big jump from hearing gossip about a club to asserting that the club represents all sorts of hateful criminality.
I just called the club to get a response … no one answered; I left a message.
"In this age of Jena and hangmen nooses all over the country, for the Vice President to relax under the flag of the hangmen nooses is an unpardonable insult to all Americans, particularly Blacks," Sharpton goes on.
"He ought to leave immediately, call for the flag to be brought down at once, and apologize for being connected to an institution that would be insensitive enough to fly it in the first place."
Sharpton goes on to threaten that if the Vice President doesn't leave the club, he "will bring a delegation of clergy to lead a prayer vigil in the immediate future."
Forgive me for asking this … but does this seem rash at all to anyone?
-- jpt
UPDATE: The Sharpton team e-mails me to tell me that both the NY Post and NY Daily News will have photos of the flag that they are breaking tomorrow. I look forward to learning more. Where was the flag hanging? Whose flag is it? It's a potentially very ugly story... but these kinds of stories call for measured responses -- and facts -- from everyone.
UPDATE 2: Read more HERE.
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News flash: Sharpton's an idiot. Nobody cares about what he has to say anymore unless they think he can help them profit by it somehow
Posted by: Don | Oct 30, 2007 8:04:42 AM
Al, get a real job and do something with the hair.
Posted by: Terri508 | Oct 30, 2007 7:44:59 AM
This is what is racially wrong in the US. Glame throwers who want the minorities to blame others for the failure of their communities to straighten out their problems. Racism only exist because of cultural behavoir not color of skin. Change the culture, change racial attitudes-that simple.
Posted by: rockychance | Oct 30, 2007 7:04:50 AM
al and jesse continue to fool a great number of white people (and a few blacks) as evidenced by some of the comments here. blacks -- or any group -- maintaining a victim status (long after it's called for) give themselves great leverage on any issue in the public eye. don't think they're not smart enough to know that. whites need to get past their own stupidity and so-called white guilt and see these scam artists for that they are and start calling them on it. john stoussel, sean hannity, neal boortz, thomas sowell and a few others in the media have done so. the rest of you remain cowards, even jake tapper here, tiptoeing around the real issue. the media is the main culprit here, especially the three majors and npr/pbs. once they start doing their job and either ignoring or confronting these media whores/race baiters then we may be able to work on some meaningful problems together, including real issues and causes of racism. these people, like al and jesse, not to mention lesser weights such as joseph lowery and cynthia mckinney, are divisive. they do not bring us together. and many many good black people know this and see the damage their "leaders" are causing. even obama, who seemed to be on a higher level than these scamsters, has shown he has flaws with some of his recent comments. start ignoring these self-promoting con men - they've all been caught with their pants down, figuratively, and in some cases literally, but the media continues to give them a free ride.
Posted by: georgia slop | Oct 30, 2007 6:42:24 AM
I am sorry but this race thing has gone to far. I have seen the marchs of King and the others. We have given into the black communty and they do nothing in return. We have created jobs and affirmative action to now a white man can't get a job. I tell you they still want more and more. The problem is so much has been given that now people are starting to fight back which is not good for the nation as a whole. Stop crying and whining Sharpton you are the one creating the problem suck it up and be a man if you want to be my equal earnit and act it.
Posted by: What the? | Oct 30, 2007 6:41:01 AM
Ok, I saw the photo. But now I cannot find the story where the poster said it was. It was there and went back to check some fatcs about it and now it is gone. I have a feeling there is a reason for that and Rev. Sharpton was baited hook line and sinker. However, it is easy to catch a fish when they swim in a fish bowl.
Posted by: Mark G | Oct 30, 2007 5:56:52 AM
I fly a confederate flag in Honor of my Mother who was from the South. Hey Al, get a life or better yet get a Real JOB.
Posted by: dale | Oct 30, 2007 5:27:07 AM
Schools I've visit in many countries see Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson as reasons that racism exists and America. When will America wake up and banish these two individuals that justify their existence by fanning the embers of racism into raging 'spin'fernos?
Posted by: Robert Martino | Oct 30, 2007 5:13:55 AM
I don't think that it is any of Al Sharpton business if anybody fly a confederate flag, as long as they fly the america flag on top. Sharpton you need to get a life, and mind your own business((period))
Posted by: cpman1946 | Oct 30, 2007 4:00:08 AM
Fire Cheney for being stupid. If he didn't know the flag was there, he should have!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: heartache | Oct 30, 2007 3:52:08 AM
Hey Sharpton... SHUT UP and mind your own business.
Why do you keep pushing people's buttons.
Posted by: americansam | Oct 30, 2007 3:14:10 AM
Given the record of Cheney's hunting activities, it may be the CLUB that should wish to distance itself from Cheney - not the other way around!
Posted by: Jordan | Oct 30, 2007 2:46:31 AM
I've always said that the KKK and the Nazis belong to the Republican Party. This proves it.
Posted by: Moochy | Oct 30, 2007 2:29:53 AM
Well there is no need for blacks and whites to try to convince one another on ongoing racists acts or systems. There is plenty of evidence for and against the argument. Plenty. What is more immediately urgent is for blacks to learn to better position themselves within the U.S. political economy. Afterwards, all other issues will take care of themselves. When blacks freely dump hundreds of billions into the domestic economy while owning less than 7% of non-agriculture businesses, they are asking for trouble. And trouble is just what they have found. That kind of fiscal incompetence is far worse than the damage racism could ever cause. To be an annual 800 billion dollar collective consumer with little to show for in the form of production, significant employment, and thus educational, social and political power, why bother worrying about how other groups behave or think? The central issue is black fiscal and social conduct that leaves them vulnerable to many forms of unpleasant experience. Black problems can be sorted out by blacks themselves if they insist on not following leadership, including from that of MLK to Obama who avoid the central issues of wealth-creation that leads to political significance and prosperity. The name of the game in America is not a moral-based notion of holding hands in a promised land. That is simply not the case. It can happen, but that should not be the primary guiding principle if all groups are not truly committed. The name of the American Dream game is MONEY. Those that have it are respected while those that don't will perish at a faster rate. Money allows one to realize the promise of freedom and so the central focus should be on how to control the black portion of the contribution to the political economy just as other groups maintain their control on their contributions. This is reasonable and it is a serious notion of self-help. Who the hell cares what Dick is doing or where he hunts? Who cares what stupid deeds a racist might be up to? Neither has a real bearing on the quality of my life if I don't want him to, and that is a fact. The black man should first and foremost mind his personal social and fiscal conduct. Only from a position of real strength will a truly great experience emerge. Just give it a try.
Posted by: Kurt Eric Munroe | Oct 30, 2007 2:15:25 AM
can't wait to see if this pans out to be true... of course i would bet money that it IS true... and if it is true, i wonder if JAKE TRAPPER will still say it is rash... let's face it, the confederate flag is a negative symbol for good reasons, and if it's being hung in a hunting camp, the vice president needs to admit it... and then state his opinion about that... frankly, i think people have the right in this country to be bigots or to hate others if they so choose, but on the same token, elected officials have to fess up if they are associated with these symbols and people who support those symbols... and one more thing... if this pans out to be true, i challenge JAKE TRAPPER (or any true journalist) to find out how many black people are members of this club...
Posted by: earthnotflat | Oct 30, 2007 1:07:34 AM
Wow. Who cares? We should. Step back and read what you all have written. Are you not embarrassed? You should be. So "they" should get over it? And who are you? The last lynching of a black man in the USA was in 1980. Not that long ago. Al Sharpton may be a politician, but would you be so vitriolic in your criticism if he weren't black? Do you really believe discrimination isn't alive (and represented by the confederate flag) today? are you that niave'?
Posted by: PSD. | Oct 30, 2007 1:07:20 AM
Why is it always an issue of black and white? Why can't they get over it? Why do whites think they are superior and black think they are persecuted?
Maybe Dick and Al do deserve each other--they are both racists.
Posted by: swissdiver | Oct 30, 2007 12:35:54 AM
I just looked at the photo of the flag and the associated text and wonder if the picture is as accurate as the text. It is hanging on what certainly appears to be a standard door,which means it would be about 30" wide, yet it is described as being 3'by 5' in size. No matter how you measure, if that is a standard door there is no way the flag is that big.
Since they got that important detail wrong I have to wonder what else they got wrong. The actual location of the building where the flag was seen, maybe? One bad "fact" in a story such as this casts a great deal of doubt on the entire thing.
Posted by: Walker Evans | Oct 30, 2007 12:21:57 AM
Why is Cheney allowed to hunt to begin with? He almost blasted a friend of his to smithereens a few years back. The only flag you need around Cheney is the white flag or surrender. Get this man a new hobby!
Posted by: DuckIt'sCheney | Oct 30, 2007 12:21:12 AM
Al and Jessie, I refuse to call either one of you Rev..that is a scam.
Race issues is all you know, Both of you cause the problems. Why not just come out and say you hate any race but your own.
Civil War is the longest in history, because you two will not let it go.
Get over it, get Jobs, quit scamming funding.
Posted by: pathlo | Oct 29, 2007 11:44:27 PM
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