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Hillary and Mississippi, part deux
October 25, 2007 11:53 AM
After Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, had some less-than-flattering things to say about the state of Mississippi earlier in the week, (READ MORE ABOUT THAT HERE), she called Sen. Trent Lott, R-Miss., to apologize.
Lott was about to rip her for her comments when his phone rang, the Washington Post reports.
"'To her credit, she called me and apologized,'" Lott said, noting that the last two lieutenant governors of Mississippi have been women. "Having lived in Arkansas, which is something of a whipping boy, too, she knows better than that."
Interestingly, there's a passage in Sally Bedell Smith's new book on the Clintons' marriage, "For Love of Politics: Bill and Hillary Clinton: The White House Years," that may be relevant to this all.
Smith tells of the Clintons attending a 1995 retreat called the "Camp David Seminar on the Future of Democracy," where a dozen scholars -- half liberals, half centrist "New Democrats" -- were there to "replicate the stresses and strains inside the Democratic party."
Hillary Clinton seemed to play the role of liberal conscience to Bill Clinton's master conciliator.
"I think we can do both," Bill Clinton would say.
Writes Smith: "Somewhat surprisingly, Hillary also attacked working-class white southerners who had forsaken the Democratic party, and in an oblique way she took on her husband as well. 'Screw 'em,' she said, 'you don't owe them a thing, Bill, they're doing nothing for you.' Bill rose to their defense, 'as if rehearsing an old but honorable debate he had been having with his wife for decades,'" as one attendee recalled.
"'I know these boys,' Bill said. 'I grew up with them. Hardworking poor white boys who feel left out.' He pointed out that liberal reforms had often 'come at their expense' and that the Democrats had to 'find a way to include these boys in our programs.' Hillary had no rejoinder, but during cocktails after the seminar she stood apart, 'opaque and unsmiling.'"
Today's discussion point: When one runs for president, one runs for president of all 50 states. Not just the ones that one can win electorally.
Thoughts?
- jpt
October 25, 2007 | Permalink | User Comments (27)
Obama and Bill are essentially saying the same thing. Hillary on the other hand, is kicking them to the curb!
Posted by: steve | Apr 16, 2008 4:30:57 PM
This was back when Hillary was inevitable right? Words will come back to haunt her.
Posted by: Dann | Apr 16, 2008 4:09:18 PM
Mrs. Clinton's comments reflect the "politics of the moment." Mississippi is a good target for her ... when she is in Iowa. When she is in Mississippi, she will probably praise us because we have had two elected Lieutenant Governors, currently have 23 female legislators and a great number of female city and county government elected officials. Like every state in this nation, women in Mississippi are running for and being elected to office in a gradual evolution of change and progress that has been building since women were granted the right to vote. Mrs. Clinton is trying to make the case that it is time to elect a female President. She, like her husband, conveniently omits the truth when it suits her purpose. That's what she did in her reference to Mississippi and that's what we can expect from a female Clinton's Presidency.
Posted by: Steve Seale | Oct 28, 2007 12:36:31 PM
Am I the only one here whose jaw dropped when I read the exchange between Hillary and Bill in 1995?? "Screw 'em"?? "Screw 'em"????? Just forget poor Southern whites, she says, because they're beneath her. That's just scary--not only for the insult, but for the insight--into what she really believes.
Posted by: SteveW | Oct 27, 2007 2:03:57 PM
I don't mind having a woman president. But I do want to elect someone that is competent. Hillary Clinton has been a lousy senator. She has not acheived any major successes for the American people as senator.
She has however managed to help send our troops to Iraq. She has the blood of our troops on her hands.
Hillary Clinton has also managed to get rich from filling her pockets with the money of special interest groups and lobbyists.
Posted by: Andrea Taylor | Oct 26, 2007 8:32:15 PM
good grief, what is this, a john edwards campaign commercial?
Posted by: southern_bell | Oct 26, 2007 4:18:52 PM
Jared - You're correct New York has never had a female Gov., nor has Miss. but neither has 25 more states as well that have not had a female gov. I agree about choosing from the lesser of two evils, however there is always bad and worse. I think the US is going to see another first for men and women in Nov 08. The first first gentlemen and the first female POTUS.
Posted by: Jeff | Oct 26, 2007 1:08:17 PM
I agree Jeff. Facts are facts.
However, tone, inflection, contextual basis, and underlying assertions are much different.
We live in a free country and anyone can say anything they want. While Hillary feels fine alienating Mississippi, she should make sure she keeps track of her enemies - they might outnumber her supporters soon.
For the record, I'm not even a Republican. I'm just sick of politicians in general. I'm tired of picking the lesser of two evils. I'd run for office myself, but unless you self yourself to one of the two parties it is nearly impossible to win. A symptom of a broken system perhaps? Not a huge fan of Colbert, but I absolutely love he's running for office. It is refreshing. If only it was a full multi-state campaign rather than a PR move.
Interesting note - I haven't checked elsewhere, but New York has never had a female governor. Lousiana's first was recently-defeated Kathleen Blanco. Not sure about Arkansas' history.
I'll concede where I'm wrong; I appreciate that you did too.
Posted by: Jared | Oct 26, 2007 12:35:33 PM
By the way, one of the first Lt. Govs was in Miss. her name is Edythe Evelyn Gandy and she publicly endorsed Gore in 2000. She was definately ahead of her time!
Posted by: Jeff | Oct 26, 2007 12:17:28 PM
My comments might have been wrong on "woman anything" but Hillary's statement is still correct.
Posted by: Jeff | Oct 26, 2007 12:12:38 PM
Hey Jeff,
Don't trip over the facts on your way to accuse. My family is good friends with Amy Tuck, the current Lieutenant Governor. Not sure how familiar you are with the workings of your particular government, but in this state, that is one of the highest positions you can attain. Certainly a lot more powerful than any legislative post.
If I am not mistaken, we were either the FIRST or one of the first states to elect a female Lieutenant Governor.
I know it feels good to blame things on other people, but at least get your facts right before pointing fingers.
Posted by: Jared | Oct 26, 2007 11:25:08 AM
Maybe Mississippi should apologize to the rest of the US for not electing a woman anything. Hillary apologizing for a factual item is unnecessary. At least she has her facts correct, that’s different the current administration.
Posted by: Jeff | Oct 26, 2007 10:48:53 AM
I am absolutely amazed. I am the exact "Mississippi White Cracker" that Mrs Clinton is speaking of. Yes, this demographic is completely absent from her core support base for a reason...but we don't require, nor deserve, an apology. We're not "that" thin-skinned. Please. And what is the most amazing thing to "us" is this fawning over Edwards. He is the absolute representation of a smooth-talking-southern populist. What confuses us the most is that he has so many of you fooled. It's like going into a bar in DC and laying on the southern accent, and you fall for it every time! AMAZING. If the Democrats ever want to get someone in the White House, they need to field a serious candidate who is solid, smart and offers real solutions for OUR (I mean all of us) country's woes. Not a polarizing lefty zealot, or some pathetic pandering snake oil salesman, or someone like ClintonII who have a chip on both of her shoulders. You field a serious candidate, and I'll seriously consider voting for him/her. Darlin'
Posted by: Mississippi Good Ole Boy | Oct 26, 2007 9:00:35 AM
This is why no Liberal can ever win the Presidency again!
Posted by: spock | Oct 25, 2007 8:54:25 PM
This is an example of why we need John Edwards as president and why he would be the best nominee of the Democratic party. Most of us are deeply tired of the polarized and ineffectual leadership we have become accustomed to over the last several terms.
Writing off entire states and segments of the population who haven't supported you is not only arrogant, it deepens the wounds causing us so much pain.
The fifty state strategy and respect for all of our citizens is the only way to go. John Edwards will be the president for the entire union and for all the people.
Posted by: Laura H | Oct 25, 2007 3:58:34 PM
Without know what Clinton said about the people of Mississippi, I can't comment on that. About John Edwards, however, I feel very comfortable saying he is as comfortable in Columbus, Kentucky as he is in New York City.
John Edwards comes from humble beginnings and has never forgotten his roots, even as he has been fortunate to rise to his present station. He is also committed to campaigning in every state and to working to elect Democrats at all levels of government.
Elections, like negotiations, should not be about ceding ground before you even start. Democrats who think we should write off the 40% of Americans who live in rural America are one of the biggest reasons we have our current Idiot-in-Chief.
Posted by: edrie | Oct 25, 2007 2:39:33 PM
Nothing like insulting the people of a state, whether for political calculation or simple stupidity.
John Edwards is the 50 state candidate!
Posted by: Nan | Oct 25, 2007 2:37:50 PM
Good grief! Hillary apologized to Mississippi - but not for her war vote??Oh wait - Hillary is raking in the moolah from the defen$e indu$try and Wall Street. Bingo!
If Hillary could win on her own merits - the corporate media wouldn't be promoting her 24/7.
John Edwards will be a great president - for ALl races and genders in ALL 50 states!
Posted by: annefrank | Oct 25, 2007 2:31:37 PM
equality doesn't equal sameness. Yes, each state should be equally represented, or proportionately represented, but that doesn't mean each state is the same. We should celebrate the diversity of the US, rather than pretend we're homogenous.
Posted by: cordelia525 | Oct 25, 2007 2:17:48 PM
If Democrats begin with the resigned attitude that working-class white southerners have forsaken the Democratic party, what they're saying is the voice of today's South belongs solely to the foxes that have, for too long, guarded (unchallenged) what they've claimed as their own henhouse. I've heard John Edwards taking up that challenge by taking it directly to the people of not only the South, but rural communities all over the country. He's been hitting the back roads of the nation to talk about his ideas for rural America, including increased Internet access and tough antitrust regulation of big corporate farming operations. I like that he's not giving up on citizens simply because they aren't cookie-cutter liberal. I think people like that in a candidate.
Jude
Camillus, N.Y.
(David Muir territory)
Posted by: Jude Nagurney Camwell | Oct 25, 2007 1:51:44 PM
But let's not be dense about it. While the President is certainly the President of all 50 States, how much time will the Democratic nominee spend campaigning in Utah? The Republican candidate campaigning in New York?
Posted by: DKNY | Oct 25, 2007 1:46:36 PM
Yes, anyone seeking the presidency is asking voters to bestow them with an opportunity to serve all Americans. Mississippi deserved an apology. To her credit, she offered one without being asked. And good for Trent Lott for acknowledging the apology.
Posted by: LESD | Oct 25, 2007 1:46:29 PM
This seems to be exactly the point John Edwards as been making. He's the only candidate, talking about a fifty state campaign, not a Blue States plus Ohio strategy.
Posted by: AJ | Oct 25, 2007 1:44:12 PM
Good grief! We don't need a Democratic nominee who will insult voters in red states or purple states.
We need a Democratic nominee who can run and compete in ALL 50 states! If we do that, we will have a Democratic president and John Edwards is the guy who can do it.
Posted by: Laura | Oct 25, 2007 1:37:41 PM
Cute exercise, flyover, but like President Bush, you seem to think that simply saying something makes it true ("Heckuva a job, flyover!").
Posted by: DKNY | Oct 25, 2007 1:30:13 PM
With apoligies to Chuck
Absolutely! The President is elected to govern all people, not just those who elected him, and should make efforts to reconcile after the election. Among the greatest failings of (PAST) officeholder(S)are THEIR) continued pandering to (THEIR) base and utter disregard of those outside it; (THEIR) steadfast refusal to reach out to those not of (THEIR) party (other than to berate, blame, or hector them); and (THEIR) constant arrogant demeanor toward those who did not vote for (THEM) as if they are beneath consideration, as witnessed by many speeches to pre-screened crowds of political favorites. It is apparent that (PRESIDENT BUSH) understands the principle here, but that Sen. Clinton is having trouble with it, and Pesident (CLINTON, JOHNSON, CARTER)--who values loyalty over all--never will understand it.
"He or She is not my President" is the most devisive and destructive of all comments. Rodney King said it best.
Posted by: flyover | Oct 25, 2007 12:39:29 PM
Absolutely! The President is elected to govern all people, not just those who elected him, and should make efforts to reconcile after the election. Among the greatest failings of the current officeholder are his continued pandering to his base and utter disregard of those outside it; his steadfast refusal to reach out to those not of his party (other than to berate, blame, or hector them); and his constant arrogant demeanor toward those who did not vote for him as if they are beneath his consideration, as witnessed by his many speeches to pre-screened crowds of political favorites. It is apparent that Pesident Clinton understands the principle here, but that Sen. Clinton is having trouble with it, and Pesident Bush--who values loyalty over all--never will understand it.
Posted by: chuck | Oct 25, 2007 12:15:01 PM
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