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More on Cheney and the Confederate Flag
October 30, 2007 8:57 AM
Aha! Now we know more about the Confederate Flag that the Rev. Al Sharpton was talking about in his statement yesterday.
The New York Post reports a "5-foot-by-5-foot Confederate flag hung in a garage attached to the club headquarters" at the hunting club Cheney visited, the Clove Valley Gun and Rod Club in Union Vale, NY.
The NY Daily News describes a "3-by-5 foot Dixie flag." affixed to a door of the garage.
So … now what? Should the Vice President apologize, decry the flag, promise never to hunt there again? (His spokesman still insists Mr. Cheney did not see the flag hanging from this garage door.)
Or … not? What say you?
-- jpt
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The South should find a new symbol that truly represents true Southern values like home cooking and hospitality. They cling to a symbol that represents slavery and treason against their own nation. They can spin it anyway they want to, the Civil War was about states' rights. The truth of the matter is that the Southern elite conspired to leave the Union to preserve the expansion of slavery into the West. For African-americans and everyone that knows the truth about the Civil War, the Confederate flag has the same connotations of opression as the Nazi flag has for the Jewish people. The Confederate flag IS a symbol of racism. Only true ignorance of history makes the Confederate anything other than what it really is.
Posted by: Michele | Jul 24, 2008 12:39:36 AM
ThE CONFEDERATE FLAG IS NOT A RACEST SYMBOL STUDY AMERICAN HIST ORY
Posted by: Kenny | Nov 29, 2007 1:43:24 PM
the beauty of our counrty is that we have the right to believe what we want. The issue is not the confederate flag but our vice president giving a "political talk" in an enviroment that displayed an offesive symbol. As an african american, I raise an eyebrow to him and his staffs oversight of such a symbol. Do we believe that this would have occurred if Hitler's flag was hanging in the garage?
Slavery was and still is a bright stain on our country's history. I don't always agree with what Rev. Sharpton says but on this I agree in questioning the vice president. I didn't vote for him but he still represents me and my american values. I expect him and the rest of the adminstration to do this with ALL americans in mind.
Posted by: TheDon | Nov 1, 2007 4:58:50 PM
Carl,
It's not a lie to say Bush and Cheney have mishandled the war on radical Islam by this detour into Iraq. One doesn't have to be a lib to see that. Libs don't realize we're in a war against radical Islam at all.
And sorry, but Bush and Cheney are not conservatives by any stretch of the imagination. I'm sure Cheney despises the flag hanging in that garage because it belonged to a group of Americans who fought against an increasingly powerful central government.
Posted by: Art | Nov 1, 2007 10:10:13 AM
The TRUTH...what make it so desirable..??..there are plenty of resonable places in NY State..having a Dixie(what-ever)being the truth is not the real Eye-Catcher in being there(upstate)..I went to a wedding in the 1980's upstate NY..and when travelling on a secluded Hgwy saw a Statue of the Head-of-Jesus..did not even have a neck..it was standing in a field on a sloped hill..really large..like a small house...the HEAD-of-JESUS...never in my years have I had the thought---The HEAD-of-Jesus....if these types of stories really Sell-anything I quess its the Adirondacks....(stinky-stuff).
Posted by: Mark S. M. | Nov 1, 2007 4:05:34 AM
TCRNY - Political Prisoners, what planet are you from, First they are terrorists, not afforded the Geneva Convention coverage and DEFINITELY NOT the Constitution of the US.
If the libs win in 08 start building bomb shelters and storing supplies because the terrorist will be able to kill us.
Posted by: spock | Oct 31, 2007 3:36:27 PM
The issue is this establishment chose to have a flag of the confederacy hanging in a garage. That is their right as it was the Clintons right to burn a flag in the 70's, no one here has commented on that yet?
The core fundamentals of this country allow people to have their own beliefs and not be persecuted for them. Sharpton wants black rights while ignoring the inate rights given to every american.
No one cried when the flag was put in the Dukes of Hazzard movie but as soon as a politician exercises the rights that they protect for all americans people get upset.
Do blacks really have to stand out and constantly complain about simple things? There was no swastica or kkk symbols so why are you complaining? The flag is the official flag of the south, same as every country has a flag. Also dont forget that the north did have slaves using the american flag, are you going to cry about that being flown to?
A note to Dunno - you may want to research topics before posting, the south never attacked the north to split up the nation, the north invaded the south and Lincol used a spin of slavery to cover it all up.
Posted by: Jake | Oct 31, 2007 12:54:25 PM
Sy
I really get where you're coming from. I remember those days too since I grew up in Georgia in the 50's and 60's right on through desegration in my school. Those were tough days for everyone. I understand how you see that flag but I ask you to let me see it a different way. Not as a symbol or white or black. Not as a symbol of hatred. Not as a symbol of the KKK, but as my symbol of home. Nothing more. If I flew it, (never have) I would not do it out of disrespect to you or to Black Americans, only to show I came from the South. And you know, the South has many good qualities too since you came from there also. I'd appreciate and welcome you as my neighbor.
Posted by: Thane | Oct 31, 2007 12:13:27 PM
Why isn’t Sharpton yelling about all of the Mexican flags flown in the US? When waved in the United States the Mexican flag is a symbol of racism, hatred, invasion and a war in the making. Yell about that Al.
Posted by: Royce | Oct 31, 2007 8:58:50 AM
It occurs to me that people like Sharpton cause more racial conflict than even the grand master of the KKK and the head of the American Nazi party. They must keep a lower profile because I don’t even know who they are! .... Please Al, stop stirring up trouble. America has enough problems without your constant creation of racial disharmony. May I suggest that you focus your attention on bringing us together rather than pushing us apart.
Posted by: Royce | Oct 31, 2007 8:45:31 AM
I think we should just get rid of all flags. Flags are only a symbol of oppression and pride in ones wrongs against the world. We should just fly a banner of a sheep or a dove and let love take over the world. Get rid of all weapons and use wooden forks and stone fire places. All of you should be ashamed of these flags like the stars and bars and that other one that has all the little stars in the corner. How are we ever going to help our children with self their self esteem if we keep trying to instill some lost and antiquated ideas that we are better than someone else. Dump all flags and peace and love for all. Remove the raciest symbols of our past. Remove all flags from the US cities, public events and most of all from the congress.
Posted by: Homer Cook | Oct 31, 2007 7:54:32 AM
How about flying the flag of the United States if you want to be proud of your heritage? The Confederacy stood for protecting the immoral institution of slavery. It deserves its place in the dustbin of history.
Posted by: Proud American | Oct 31, 2007 12:29:35 AM
I think that the problem is, we as African Americans see that flag and instantly think back to all of the pictures and media of the fifties when police officers, dogs, and the kkk were beating, torturing, demoralizing, and killing blacks. I understand the whole southern heritage thing ( Im from the south), It was those events of the past that gave that flag such a horrible meaning.
Posted by: Sy | Oct 30, 2007 11:22:26 PM
Big deal; so what? The confederate flag merely affords confrontational people on either side the opportunity to pick a fight. Cheney probably didn't see it and, if he had seen it, would likely have only calculated the political gain/loss to be obtained by, alternatively, provoking or avoiding a confrontation.
Everyone needs to grow up. The U.S. government is water-boarding political prisoners and planning to bomb Iran. Flag-waving by duck-hunters is a non-issue.
Posted by: TCRNY | Oct 30, 2007 11:01:21 PM
Who do the southerners who don't take this approach have to blame for the condescension with which their region is often viewed?
Posted by: southern_bell | Oct 30, 2007 9:40:12 PM
It's a sad day when the blowhard Reverend Al is right! Many Southerners will deny the racist tinge to the confederate flag. As these postings show, anyone who correctly interprets the flag as the emblem of slavery and takes offense is going to be labeled as prissy and politically correct.
The southerners who take this approach have only themselves to blame for the condescension with which their region is often viewed.
Posted by: J.J. | Oct 30, 2007 9:04:34 PM
I fly The Confederate flag and damn proud of it.I also iam damn proud of all our vetarians.We need to be proud of who we are and protect who we are,its like protecting MOM,APPLE PIE,AND HARLEY-DAVIDSON MOTORCYCLES!.So one another on the square love and be proud of The South and America.
Posted by: Randall Manley | Oct 30, 2007 8:34:23 PM
The confederate flag that we are talking about was a battle flag. Slaves were sold and came to America under the American flag
Posted by: Randall Manley | Oct 30, 2007 7:50:02 PM
Seriously people, who cares... Just because he went to a place where that particular flag was displayed doesn't mean that he endorses it's many meanings.
Posted by: Nate | Oct 30, 2007 7:48:41 PM
I don't fly the "flag" but I would love for you know it all ,elitist, yankees to outlaw the "flag" You would then see it fly everywhere in the South, and Yes there are Americans in the South that are not passive sheep.
Baaa........................
Posted by: tansi | Oct 30, 2007 7:45:13 PM
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