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Picture Edwards, Obama and Clinton in your head - what do you see?

October 22, 2007 6:49 AM

For weeks now, former Sen. John Edwards, D-NC, has been claiming that he's the most "electable" of the top three presidential candidates in his party. That he can win in parts of the country that Sens. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, and Barack Obama, D-Illinois, cannot.

The argument is that Edwards is a Southerner from a rural background and can make Red states competitive. That Edwards is culturally of a Red State. That he is able to speak the language of the Reagan Democrat, Joe Sixpack, Mike Lunchpail.

The argument is NOT, the Edwards campaign insists, that Edwards as a white man is more electable than a white woman or a black man.

At the Youtube/CNN debate in July, Edwards very clearly stated, "Anybody who's considering not voting for Senator Obama because he's black or for Senator Clinton because she's a woman, I don't want their vote."

But take a listen to these comments from Edwards (CLICK HERE) from an October 8 event in Mount Ayr, Iowa, and see whether you think there's anything in there, implicitly, about his being a white man.

"If you're running in a tough congressional district…you gotta ask yourself would you rather have Senator Obama at the top of the ticket to help, Senator Clinton at the top of the ticket to help, or John Edwards at the top of the ticket to help," Edwards asks.

Edwards goes on to say, "your instincts will tell you the right answer."

You'll want someone you agree with, of course, "but you'll also want somebody who can help pull Democrats all over the country… You gotta ask yourself who's going to turn out more Republicans to vote against us at the top of our ticket. Who's gonna attract more middle of the road voters? You know, who's gonna feel more of a connection...

“But the bottom line is. I think the easiest way to do it, honestly, is to just picture in your head, each of us, running in a tough place –- we’re in one right now –- and which one’s gonna be more helpful and which one’s not. 'Cause I think that does matter."

For weeks I've rejected the notion that Edwards is making this appeal on anything other than cultural values, his Southern twang and roots….but that "picture in your head" clause is interesting.

Especially since Edwards strategist Mudcat Saunders has heralded Edwards' ability to get the votes of poor whites all over the country.

"There's not a 50 cent difference in Bubba in Buncombe County, North Carolina, and Iowa or New Hampshire or wherever else," Saunders told Men's Vogue. "We are all from basically the same set of circumstances, and a rural campaign is not just a Southern campaign. It's about the heart and soul of rural America. And John believes strongly in it...We’re going to get some white males…The other candidates I've seen are looking at that same 19-state strategy. We're well into the twenties on our strategy.”

And some folks who don't support Edwards thought this comment from Edwards' traveling companion -- former Rep.Ben Jones, D-Georgia, who you may better know as "Cooter" from ''The Dukes of Hazard" -- was interesting.

''John Edwards is the kind of guy who can not only lead this country in these very difficult times and bring it back together," Jones said, "but he's also a Democrat who can be elected in Hazard County -- if you know what I mean -- in the red states, out in the country."

In Hazard County? (Ifyouknowwhatimean?)

Where our heroes drive around in a car festooned with the Confederate flag?

(''Let me put it this way, I think the world of Barack Obama and he is the future of this party," Jones went on. "Hillary Clinton and Slick Willie and those people, they are the past. John Edwards is the present for the Democratic Party.'')

Last week, a number of Edwards supporters -- local Democratic officials --held a conference call warning that only Edwards would be able to help other Democrats on the ticket.

“Here's the deal," said Missouri Minority Whip Connie Johnson, who is African-American, "If we don't have a good person at the top of the ticket - someone who can help stop the hemorrhaging in Missouri, then we'll go red. It's as simple as that. And it will affect state reps, state senators, treasurers, governors, everybody. If Hillary comes to a state like Missouri, we can write it off." (You can listen to her HERE)

I understand the argument that Hillary Clinton has high negatives and is polarizing....but why is Obama part of this pitch that only Edwards isn't polarizing?

Another point -- one could argue that as the vice presidential nominee, Edwards didn't really do much in 2004 -- not only did not one Southern state go for Kerry-Edwards, including Edwards' native North Carolina, the ticket lost even Edwards' hometown Robbins, and Edwards currently trails behind Clinton among Democrats in the Tarheel State.

(Edwards has argued that no one votes for vice president, which is more or less true.)

In any case, what do you make of this all?

- jpt

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What I can't get past on John Edwards is how he came by his considerable wealth. That is by sueing the pants off of Doctors, Hospitals and others whose occupations require them to attempt to help people afflicted with, (or dying from) ailments or injuries. Their HUMAN efforts to help in many NO-WIN health situations, are scrutinized by lawyers like Edwards for any fault from which they can win a lawsuit. Now Mrs. Edwards desperately needs the services of those Doctors her husband has persecuted. I Wonder if John's going to sue them too! I can just hear president John Edwards in a tough stand-off with North Korea's or Iran's president. "Listen here buddy, if you don't knock it off, I'll SUE you!" Honestly people, Democrat or Republican we had better elect a President with GUTS enough to put the fear in our enemies...because we can't just wish them away. Remember WWII

Posted by: God Fearing Man | Oct 28, 2007 12:41:20 AM

Actually, the media has done a good job of making the Dem race racist - by confining the race to a white woman and a black man.
And ABC once again - smears Edwards.

Posted by: annefrank | Oct 25, 2007 2:35:39 PM

Democrats have a unique opportunity this time...we can elect someone who is the most progressive and the most electable, John Edwards.

Edwards, since last spring, has consistently outperformed all the other Democrats in head-to-head match-ups against all the Republican candidates, according to Rasmussen Reports. Even Doug Schoen, Bill Clinton's former strategist, says Edwards is the strongest Democrat in general election match-ups.

What makes Edwards so electable? Even though he is the most progressive of the leading candidates, he is the only candidate to have won an election in a red state. His southern, working class roots appeal to voters in the South and Midwest. His character, integrity, and social programs that promote and value hard work have won the hearts and minds of many Republicans, including my mother, who switched parties just to vote for Edwards.

Let's not reduce this nomination to a matter of race or gender...John Edwards is the candidate with the best policies and the greatest appeal to voters across the country. He is the Democrats' best hope for recapturing the White House.

Posted by: kakie | Oct 24, 2007 11:54:00 PM

He discredits himself! He has no experience and his own state does not want him!

Posted by: SPOCK | Oct 24, 2007 10:48:02 PM

If you're looking to discredit Edwards, of whom the Republican and corporate elites are afraid, this might be the way to do it. But think of this: pundits have been saying since the beginning, "Is America ready for a woman president?" "Is America ready for a black president?" I don't know. But with Edwards the issue doesn't arise. We so desparately need a Democrat to be the next president, it might be best not to go with the progressive experiment, this time.

Posted by: Nina | Oct 24, 2007 9:36:00 PM

An interesting thing here now I know its hard for you libs to open your eyes and think outside the box, I mean below someone stated she did not see racist in Edwards comment.

But now how many people really think of the deficit, truthfully? Kids in school are not taught about nor are they taught true history.

As far as the War well libs don't read the rest of this -
We are winning in Iraq, so that will help the Republicans, Low Un-employment, Lower taxes I think helps the Republicans. The Republicans lost in 06 because they were acting like Dems not because of the War or deficit, or yes by the way the 1.9% deficit is the lowest is has ever has been under Clinton.

Lib you can read now -
We will not fall for your Socialist, Racial, and Gender ploys anymore!

Posted by: spock | Oct 24, 2007 10:19:17 AM

I was shocked when I read or heard a news-cast that Republican's hate Democrat's and(vice-versa)/that's a terrible place for politics to use the best in Vision-instead you get bad attitude(partisan)might be a lesser crime..then there is just wasting people's time..considering the most important angle the citizen's might offer in the argument/Edwards-Obama-Clinton/come closer to loosening a positive GRIP on people(instead)"wasting their time"..I think Sen. Obama is just a rude person,,then John Edwards is realy a natural at smiling(he's)convinced me he's a subversive..Hillary Clinton is "passing the torch"..a truly innane development of poor judgement that places a silly nature bellowing "top of the world"..basically/a whole lotta' NOISE.

Posted by: Mark S. M. | Oct 24, 2007 6:43:34 AM

I think Jake Tapper is looking for something nasty to pin on a candidate who is moving up and has the Republican and business elites scared.
If there is any suggestion in his words that a white male is preferable to a white woman or a black male, i don't see it. But consider all the talk about "is the country ready for a woman president?" "is the country ready for a black president?" I don't know, but with Edwards the question doesn't arise.

Posted by: Nina Luce | Oct 23, 2007 10:21:22 PM

The Dems have a heck of an advantaage this time, due to voter dissatisfaction with Bush, the war, the defecit, etc. Yet it scares many 'downticket' Dems to have Hillary or Obama at the top of the ticket...like when Dukakis was at the top of the ticket...or McGovern. If Hillary can imply that Dems who don't vote for her are sexist, then surely Edwards can imply that Dems who don't vote for him have a death-wish.

Posted by: SteveW | Oct 23, 2007 7:09:38 PM

Jake I am glad you had the courage to state the obvious. I recognized his coded message at the debate and have fumed as the campaigned progressed and he continued to add fuel to the fire. Of course, we won't hear this conversation amongst the punditocracy on Sunday mornings, but I do applaud your efforts to provoke the discussion on line. Trust me, my community and particularly my generation is discussing it.

Posted by: RealB.G. | Oct 23, 2007 4:05:56 PM

Wow, Edwards is sounding more like the KKK with every passing day. Sounding desperate too. Too bad, as he runs around the country screaming ONE AMERICA he's really telling people to continue to DIVIDE -- stay divided and vote for me because I can win here, he's really saying. Isn't that something, he's really running on SEGREGATION. I kind of want to say how dare he, so much as telling people vote for me because I'm white and male and I can win the south. And you can hear it in his voice and see this desperation in his eyes. It's like he's running his own private little secret discrimination presidential campaign.

Posted by: RuthieM | Oct 23, 2007 1:53:47 PM

Why are people surprised by a Lib doing this.

As some one stated below you got Hilary playing the gender card, you got Obama playing the Race card, and now Edwards is playing both cards. Which they all do anyway.

The Democrat/Lib Party is a Racist anti-religion, anti-Liberty Party today. When people realize these facts they will no longer be surprised.

Jake, I go another blog for you to start, one on the Clinton Library and Hilary's promise to be open but yet no one can access info about her in the library?

Waiting to see? I know the Chinese connection would be there if it was a republican geting illegal donations.

Posted by: spock | Oct 23, 2007 9:51:39 AM

Simple PREJUDICE on Edwards words and thoughts

This is Disgusting.

What country does he live in???

We are a DIVERSE USA not a PREJUDICE USA

Posted by: Danielle Clarke | Oct 23, 2007 9:26:01 AM

I'd expect this "wink wink," tactic from Karl Rove, but coming from another Democrat it stinks.

Who does John Edwards think he's going to con with this tactic? Barack Obama was the most requested speaker during the 2006 campaign, and he played a big part in the Democratic takeback of Congress. John Edwards couldn't even carry his own state during 2004.

A Democrat that stoops this low deserves to have it blow up in his face. The sooner Edwards flails his way out of this race, the better.

Posted by: Wonk | Oct 22, 2007 8:47:24 PM

oh well, this is a racist, sexist country, is it not?
It's all fair game isn't it?

If Clinton can run on the fact that she's a polarizing woman, and Obama can run on his being a skinny black kid with big ears from chicago, then Edwards should be able to run on his being a southern white male. Seems like the equality we've always yearned for to me.

Posted by: freedomfighter | Oct 22, 2007 7:07:07 PM

It feels as if Edwards is trying another strategy out. Will he connect? I doubt it. Wink, wink, nod nod is not a way to reach out, as others have pointed out. (Not to mention $400 haircuts) The whole idea he seems to be trying out will not stand the test of a campaign. I hope and am sure that it will meet with revulsion in the heartland.
For me, I keep wishing that we have not seen all of the possible choices for 2008. My gut tells me that we have not seen the big issue yet.
Say what you mean and mean what you say would be a refreshing change.

Posted by: flyover | Oct 22, 2007 4:32:26 PM

Nan - So you want a Socialist Country, where only if you have direct connections to Hilary you will get anyplace?

You want high unemployment, no defense?

If you libs wabnt all this why dont you move to China or Russia, because that is what we will have here if any of the libs win.

Posted by: spock | Oct 22, 2007 3:49:33 PM

Izzy - Edwards could not even carry his home state for Kerry, so please.

And usually a VP is picked that will help the ticket win in states, they do have an impact might be small but in a toss up state they do help.

The problem you have here is the race baiting by the Libs. Saying the south is prejudice really shows that they have no clue.

If a Republican said what Edwards said do you really think any of you that are defending him would feel the same, I think NOT.

The Lib party has 3 top contenders that are inexperienced, socialist driven agendas, and one in particular that is being paid off by the Chinese.

The Republican party has done more for minorities in the last 8 year alone then the Lib party has ever done.

At this point we know Edwards is anti-gay, and now from this he is racist. Stop with the Excuses, these speeches are written in advance and they know what they are saying. the Lib media gives them a pass all the time.

Betty Hooker - If that is true why does his neighbors all hate him.

DKNY - FYI usually what I put is from different blogs condemning Republicans, as a test see Libs will say the same thing I say about Conservatives and that s ok, but if I repeat it and change the word Conservative with Lib, they get all upset, its an interesting test I am doing to show hypocrisy on behalf of the left.

Jake - You should do a blog on Hilary's funny money donations, on how people on welfare or making 500$ a month can afford to donate 2000 dollars to Hilary.

Posted by: spock | Oct 22, 2007 3:46:50 PM

Edwards is right, unfortunately. History tell us (recent history, too) that it will be difficult to gain wide support (large enough to win the state's electoral votes) in the south, running on a liberal, left-of-center agenda. It would make it even more difficult, as history reports it, that a female or a black male be the one selling those ideas. Not in the south. Not in 2008. (And it sucks.)

Posted by: reyonthehill | Oct 22, 2007 2:27:06 PM

It would seem to me that Sen. Edwards is trying to "have his cake and eat it, too." He decries racism/sexism at the outset of his clearly populist message, but then slips them in with such clear, unambiguous semi-references like "your instincts will tell you," and "who's gonna feel more of a connection...." But none of this is important compared to a more serious problem the good senator fails to see: his populism won't resonate well with his intended audience while he's getting $400 haircuts and checks from hedge funds.

Posted by: chuck | Oct 22, 2007 2:08:19 PM

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