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Taking steps to stop illegal immigration would be the most appropriate scenario. But as it never going to 100% effectively operate it is better we understand how we should educate them and make them to productive to the society.

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Janaka

Ok the 3 step prong noted below is a very good idea.

We can build a wall, and right now our Liberal Congress is breaking the law by not building it.

They are breaking their oath of office as well.

Now anyone who says we can not round up the illegals and deport is just making excuses, in the 1930 we were able to round up all the Japenese were we not?

The reason Mexico wants us to have open borders is because their government would collapse if they had to keep everyone, because then the people would try to fix their government and the corruption would be gone.

The only Candidate that I see that can be trusted to close the border which is most important is Fred Thompson, The Dems will open it fully and pay people to cross, Rudy will keep the status quo, Romney I am unsure about, Ron Paul will do away with the border also.

We need a Federal ID system that needs to be shown when voting, we need to stop foriegn countries from setting up shop here so they can use our courts against us.

Also note Illegals are NOT covered by the US Constitution, They are not people of the US.

To all you folks talking up sovereignty or the lack thereof..there is only one issue..national debt..a country nose deep in debt has no sovereignty.

In my opinion, the whole 'illegal immigrant' situation is a 'non-issue' in Washington. What we, the citizens, are seeing are delaying tactics on the part of our politicians. The reality is that the borders between Mexico, the U.S. and Canada are going to be dissolved and these three countries are going to become the North American Union under its own leadership, its own laws and its own borders. We are becoming global, one-world and have been since the 'great step' forward commonly known as NAFTA. Part of the price that Americans will pay for this forwardness is that we will indeed become more and more like a 'third world' country; and our 'middle class' way of life will virtually dissolve. Don't believe it? Look around you. Listen, really listen, to what ALL of them (running for office) are telling you: talking from both sides of their mouths and playing both ends against the middle.

I think the largest problem American people have with illegal immigrants, besides the fact of being here illegally, is the issue of non-payment of taxes and being able to take advantage of our social services paid for with our tax dollars. I believe the way to attack this problem should be a three pronged front. First the flow across the southern border needs to be stopped; if it takes a sixteen foot tall fence the entire length in order to keep from adding to the estimated 9 to 20 million illegals, so be it. Secondly the American taxpayers need to get on board with the FAIR TAX ACT of 2007, . Passage of this very important legislation will eliminate any consumer from escaping the payment of taxes to fund the federal government, including ones here illegally and also those whose income is derived from illegal means. After these steps are in place, we can then attack the problem of making the ones presently here, legal, with a program aimed toward becoming a legal citizen, which should include passage of a program with curriculum that includes mastery of basic American history, government structure, and basic English as the primary language of the nation.

I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer. So will someone please explain to me how there can be a labor shortage in America at the same time we have people on welfare?

Americans forget there were anti-Americananarchist and socialist bombings and agitators during the last great wave of immigration which was a factor to the immigration moratorium of 1924 that gave America about a 40 year period to assimilate the wave before Ted Kennedy opened the floodgates in 1964 to the third world. America needs an immigration moratorium and to have a program of pro-American education in our schools and universities.

Mexico invited American settler in to the Southwest after it took the lands from Spain. Texans rebelled after Santa Anna nulled the consitution and declared himself dictator. America entered the war later.97% of all Mexican land claims were honored under the new American rule. Hispanics today are purposefully seeking a demographic conquest of the US and have said as much repeatedly through their ethnic idenity group La Raza, Mecha, and La Voc de Aztlan. The avergae Mexicans hatred for the US and her people is profound-this has been growing fed by agitators.They say "Go back to Europe"

Posted by: ray | Nov 24, 2007 8:42:56 PM

I find it very interesting that the land the US took from Mexico in the war of 1848 looks suspiciously like the land Mexico took form Spain in their own revoultion. What am I trying to say? The Mexican claim to the US Southwest was based on a EUROPEAN map. It did not recognize the North American Indian tribes like the Sioux and Commanche. Mexico's claim to the US is not a native one, rather it is a European one. The Mayans, Aztecs, etc had lived south of the present border long before the white man ever came to America.
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Yes i totally agree with you but Mexicans are not all Native to this land
most are Europeans spain ruled Mexico for 500 or more years most are direct decedents of Spanish settlers there was a very small population of Native Americas most died of forgiven disease the Spanish brought with them

i feel no sympathy for people that come here illegally they cost us more then they give back we the taxpayes pay for there free health care free schooling and for the morons that say they pay taxes think again You need a SSN Number or a valid work id !! and i see most that use racism as the true racist not the American people we have many different races that come here legally evry year ! even from country's we are at war with but they are following our laws to get here

I own a blueberry and cranberry farm and have well managed to get the work I need done and the crops harvested without the use of illegal aliens.

Good for you Mr. Garland. It is rare not to see someone in your position taking the side of the illegals saying we can't get the job done without them. Nice to know that if one tries, this statement has no merit. We appreciate you and those likeyou.

United States is the no one country in the competetativeness according to WEF.It is the most powerful, militarily and political entity in the world. It is going to be like that for very, very long time.United States, it's not just country, it's a continent. Land of oppportunity, it still is. So, it is going to be a magnet for all kinds of people.Among those, there will certainly be some unfortunates who are going to be called illegals, undocumented and illegal aliens as if they are some creatures from space. But most of them are like us. innocent, laborious and hard-working.The only difference is the system excluded them. They are ready to pay taxes, they want to be included not alienated. They wanted to be called ours not theirs. But,the political miliu that has poisoned all people so bad that it's almost irrational to get to a meaningful conclusion in their lives. We know our's is country of law but also we are nation of immigrants. Fore and foremost we started as immigrants away from the tyranny of monarchs, feudalists. In terms of humans, the people that seek freedom in USA are no different than the first immigrants that tried to free from tangles of Europe. On conclusion, we still are same today although we have differences. but in the end either we are sons/daughters of immigrants or the immigrants.We should always keep this hope to anybody except those who want to do grave harm to this wonderland.

The illegals are thieves ... taking from citizens physical space, money and political power. I would not torment the illegals, but I would drive them out with all prudent speed. And then -- have a long hard look at those who supported the attempted theft.

I find it very interesting that the land the US took from Mexico in the war of 1848 looks suspiciously like the land Mexico took form Spain in their own revoultion. What am I trying to say? The Mexican claim to the US Southwest was based on a EUROPEAN map. It did not recognize the North American Indian tribes like the Sioux and Commanche. Mexico's claim to the US is not a native one, rather it is a European one. The Mayans, Aztecs, etc had lived south of the present border long before the white man ever came to America.

I don't trust a one of them either. HRC got up in front of the mod in March of 2006, grabed the microphone and said and I quote "I look at these faces and I see the future of America." Why another candidate has not pulled that one out as an ad to clairify her position, I'll never know. Rudy is all over the place between saying it is not illegal to be here illegally LOL and saying he'll stop this non-illegal illegal behavior in 3 years. I think Thompson has stood pretty steadfast on ths subject and Mike, well Mike is dealing with reality. Even though in theory these illegals could be turned away at the medical centers because they are not entitled, God only knows the backlash of unpolitcally correct, inhumane behavior and mean spirited discrimination that would follow. These people are not poor for heaven sakes, they just know a good thing when they see it. They know how to "work" the system. They have their lawyers, their Presidento in Mexico demanding they be taken care of and of course LaRaza right behind them all the way. They should be made to proove they cannot pay for medical expenses.

These people have robbed our young citizens of the opportunity to be actively employeed during the summer, to help pay for their own educational costs, to become better people and business minded young adults.

These people have robbed our children of going to school under one accepted language policy, to learn in classrooms that are uncrowded.

With the Democrats in power we can take this all a step further as Kennedy and his buddies tried to pass laws that would grant Social Security payments to those who established the accounts fradulently. Who ever heard of passing a law to reward someone who set up accounts with someone elses SS number? Have we all gone mad?

And oh, if all the illegals are allowed to stay just because they had a wild night in bed and produced a child, God help us all. I'm not sure you can find an illegal without a child they have had as a pawn in this game of illegal immigration. As I said, they know how to work the system and what's one more mouth for the American citizens to feed? No skin off their noses.

My favor for a presidential candidate is one that realistically cuts off the bleeding at the border, tells the Mexican government to shove it and deals effectively with the 20 million who are here, even if it is by atrition by way of cutting off their benefits and the job sources. I live in Mexifornia and trust me, a complete take over is not far away.

Of course as a supposedly civilized nation, we absolutely need to take medical care of any child, illegal, legal, white, black with no questions asked. That said The border needs to be completely secured, and it is time to send those who are here illegaly back, also no questions asked. Until the border is secure, and we get serious about sending the Adults back(and presumably their families), there will be no alleviating this problem. It's unfortunate that building a wall is a neccesity in a democratic country but I don't see another solution. Also, how bout making Mexico a better place to live so they dont all need to come here. That is the real root of the problem.

If this country with its soon to be Mexican majority (in some states) begins to over populate at the rate that Mexico does today we will very quickly become a 3rd world country.

Unfortunately in political circles ,where it matters, the subject of illegal immigration is just for show. None of the candidates, Republican or Democrat really care one way or the other as long as they get their votes.

All of these candidates [both Republican and Democrats] are doing nothing more than bowing to 'foreign' pressure. They want to give their new voting bloc whatever they want so they can stay in [or ascend to] office[s]. They ask the citizens [and legal residents] of this country to disregard our own laws while demand that we obide by the same- which is perhaps one of the biggest hypocracies in U.S. political and national policy. Not to mention that [to some sources] immigrants in the U.S. [perhaps legal as well as illegal] sent an estimated $90 billion southward and out of the stumbling U.S. economy. This doesn't convince this reader that these foreign transplants have America's best interests in mind.

I own a blueberry and cranberry farm and have well managed to get the work I need done and the crops harvested without the use of illegal aliens.

What Rudy and Huckabee don't get is, if illegals need to go the doctor, they can pay for it. Why are Americans providing free services to non- Americans.

What Rudy and Huckabee don't get is we don't care less if illegals report crimes to police. If they were deported, what would the problem be?

What Rudy and Huckabee don't get is that illegals should not get benefits that are greater than what Americans get. Like in state tutition. If they show up for college without a visa, the get deported! Why should they be given a scholarship? They are over 18, adults and have made a decision to stay in the USA and break the law.

America either becomes a nation of laws once again or it does not. If it doesn't when are Americans going to start chosing which laws they will obey?

Jake Taper in this article asks what we think about Huckabee's comments regarding penalizing the children of illegals. Unfortunately, this country's awarding of citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants is a strong draw to emigrate to this country. You won't find other countries so generous and I'm afraid it's being exploited here. We're not "grinding our heels in a six-year-old's face" by denying the child and his family benefits that were intended for tax-paying American citizens. Rather, we are asking everyone involved, from illegal immigrants to the businesses that employ them, to respect laws and to encourage decent wages. A little honesty, a little less greed, and more jobs to stay here in America...that's all.

That whole WHO BRINGS IN THE CROP argument is just the anti rule of law, anti legal immigrant, pro illegals supporters scare tactics. UC Davis just came out with a report and guess what, there is no labor shortage in the agriculatural field. However, to hire Americans and legal immigrants will cost the grows more.

Big business is doing a lot of spin on this illegal alien issue folks. Watch out. They are making mega bucks by having labor they can pay under the table or a great discount. The don't want to give up those profits. Note, a lot of the media is touting their line. All big business.

My impression also, like the first poster, is that Rudy is soft on illegal immigration. I just a feeling he will go for amnesty. Also, he has now backed off the fence and wants the "virtual fence". Both are Neo Con positions (ie Bush Positons), and it looks like Rudy has Neo Cons spport including the RNC.

There is a reason that Mexico is having a fit about the fence. It will work. The virtual one, may or may not, so far it is having problems. Besides, with the virtual one, it can go down at any time, lets say at the Presidents instigation, and not get repaired, if Rudy wants to open the border.

With all the disasters and such that Texas has given us(see ABRAHAM BOLDEN story), bush family, tommie delay, tbone pickens, etal, has nobody heard my plea to cede texas back to Mexico in exchange for a workable immigration policy????? start hearing then, yokels...

The illegal situation that describes the children should be part of the American Dream..yet..Illegal Immigration does support crimminal activity..//I have seen up close and personal--So. Americans--as both proponents and FILTERS of street level crime//on the other hand//there is the old institution of SLUM LORDING--this seems a slimy excistance of a poor economy//Bundled under POOR Business Management--the Immigraton FLIPS-thru the air like a JOKE//considering the business FACADE that icludes the Illeagal Alien..you once again have nothing more than EXCUSES where PERFORMANCE goes to sleep with strangers..not only a business develops..you end up socailizing..bad business for Grey Area's..like that's the next generation of intelligence..What-ever the SPPECH..the DEBATE..its all about Justice and Business..and in this realm..America looks bad.

George - as to whom would we have to pick the crops? I'm all for having criminals in the prison do this (as then they won't be sitting on heir backsides watching a bigger tv than I have - or working out to get stronger so their next crimes when they get out). I'm also for having to make welfare workers work to obtain their money if they are going to get money for more than 2 years. I think We the gov't of Legal Residents should get more for our $$$s that we are forced to contribute (taxes). However, our Gov't isn't going to be happy until we are taking care of the US Citizens who are lazy or illegal and all of Mexico - down to South America. Open borders, come on in, live life any way you want and have free medical and other services; meanwhile I have to worry about whether my company will continue to assist in paying benefits like insurance in case my kid gets sick. I happen to know an illegal immigrant. He lives in a double wide at $350.00 per month rent, have a 72 inch flat screen tv, brings home over $900.00 a week (and pays no Federal or State Taxes - only FICA) and to date has $10,000.00 dollars in his checking account. I can't keep these stupid politicians out of my pocket and give 25% in Fed. & State...and feel taxed to death, and I've NEVER seen $10K in my checking acct at one time and I make a pretty decent salary - so all of you - CRY ME A RIVER!! I want them back in Mexico, I want the cheapskate businss owners to stop relying on their cheap labor - cause it costs us more in the long run and I want my country to be one of 'The American Dream is what YOU make it" not, what the Gov't can give to you. IF I were elected - lazy sorry folks would be losing sleep at night - worrying; instead of good decent middle class Americans. God Bless all of you Decent Folks! Go back to your home Illegals and take your anchor children with you.

None of you has yet to come up with an answer to sophillyfatz's question.

It's easy to get up on the soap box but there are some practical matters that have to be dealt with.

America's labor force (without the impact of illegal immigrants) cannot support the demands of certain sectors of the economy, in particular the agricultural sector.

We need a rational policy to provide an adequate workforce to service this country's needs.

FYI.. These three GOP Candidates are the strongest on illegal immigration and border security, Duncan Hunter, Tom Tancredo and Fred Thompson. I will only be supporting one of them. The rest are just another lame George Bush which this country can't take another one.

Hey guys,

Your comments would be a lot easier to read if they weren't entirely in italics. Also, please put the oldest comments at the top, reverse chronological order is quite sensible for a blog, and quite silly for comments on a blog entry. kthxbai.

Thats the strawman arguement that the open border crows cry, WHAT OF THE CHILDREN? Tough, children all over the world pay the price for thier parents decision, thats life. If a man robs a bank and he did it to support his family, do we forgive his crime of robbing people ? Do we give him amnesty? Does that make robbing banks okay as long as you are doing it for your family? NO, IT'S WRONG, If we give amnesty to the 20 million people who spit on our laws and our flags, what message does that send? It's okay to break the law in America as long as enough people do it and you have children. Let's not forget that they didn't just sneak into the country, they have also stolen people's social security # and have stolen people's id's, they have forged govt documents and have used those forged documents to commit fraud and have wiped out Hospitals who now can't help american citizens. These are all class B felony's. We have Americans in prison doing years for commiting these crimes and yet people on this board and most politicians say it is okay to commit felony's if you are mexican, NO IT IS NOT. I have not seen one person running for president talking about amnesty for the americans in prisons for commiting these crimes, why not? By the way when white people came here in the 1600's there were no laws set in place so it was not illegal, look up the word illegal and get an education.

Its legal immigration that bankrupts us too.

43.4% of Mexicans in the US received means tested income assistance in the U.S..

Rudy is liberal in moderate sheepskin. He will never win the votes of true conservatives. Undocumented = Criminal.

The War with Mexico was an imperialist war to protect the rights of white slaveowners. Abraham Lincoln opposed it. I don't see how we can be so mean-spirited about keeping illegals out when the people trying to cross the border are the descendents of those the land originally belonged to.

Did Huckabee really say this? I know he's a baptist minister but I thought that was a just for political reasons. Maybe he really is a man of god. What Christian would turn a child away at a hospital? I guess more than half of the GOP presidential candidates. Doesn't surprise me, they just showcase their religion when it favors their political agenda. They're frauds, most don't even attend chruch regularly unless it's campaign season..

The War with Mexico was an imperialist war to protect the rights of white slaveowners. Abraham Lincoln opposed it. I don't see how we can be so mean-spirited about keeping illegals out when the people trying to cross it are the descendents of those the land originally belonged to.

same thing as usual let millions upon millions in so they can suck every social svc dry.

James Danley:

You are so right, I have been thinking the same thing for years. I live in California and see what illegal immigration does to this country. I take offense to all the illegals here.
I am of Spanish and Italian decent, but my relatives came to this country and became citizens the right way and without breaking any laws. They were required to speak english, and they did, so why is it so difficult for law to be followed now? It's because we have all these lazy liberals that think America should take care of everyone, including illegals. It has to stop, or we are doomed.

I have white skin so I am therefore unable to comment on any of this. I'm sorry people, but my awesome ideas that would easily solve this entire problem will never be heard because I have white skin. My skin is so white I disappear in a snowstorm. Anyway, what do you get when you put three ducks in a box?

A box of quackers!

Hahahahahahahah.

Out.

"...no bodies to pick the crops in California, Florida, and other states..." Actually we have plenty of American citizens to pick crops...there are over 1 million citizens currently in prison for non-violent offenses. We should go back to giving these inmates hard labor and send them out in the fields to pick crops. And they can earn the same low wages that the illegal immigrants are currently getting.

Perhaps, we should deport all European descend white people back to Europe. After all their forefathers were illegal invaders and return the country to the rightful owners. And, all the black slaves that were brought here forcefully for slavery, that was ILLEGAL too. Under the pretence of "illegal immigration" talk, people are just exhibiting their deep rooted racism.

While I don't support illegal immigration, I gotta say that it's not the kids' fault--and no one tries to get sick. I know someone who won't go to the hospital because of the ID thing. I agree with Huckabee on this one--although he doesn't go far enough. We should stop penalizing the victims. But, without denying an education to children, emergency care to the sick, or law enforcement to the victimized, we should make sure that illegals are unemployable in the mainstream economy, and secure our borders. We should require ID to vote. We should make it hard for illegal ADULTS to get into this country, or prosper once they get here. Give them the incentive to go home and stay there, or come back legally. And we may want to raise LEGAL immigration quotas. We are a country of immigrants. Kids don't choose to be illegal. Adults do.

Jerome Corsi on World Net Daily has an article, complete with FOIA documents, on Huckabee's questionable association with the Mexican Consul in Little Rock, Arkansas. It speaks of him using taxpayer $$$ to build the consul and then charging the consul $1.00 per year in rent. His buddies in business, such as Tyson Foods picked up the tab for the consul's expenses. This accusation needs further examination.

Huckabee has been the worst on illegal immigration as his record as governor of Arkansas indicates. If he gets the nomination, he will be another Bush if not worse. He is an open borders candidate!

We need a candidate that will secure the borders, fine and sanction employers and cut off taxpayer benefits. Fred Thompson has even gone so far as to call for an end to chain migration.

Ending the lures will compel illegals to return to their countries of origin. If not done, America will soon look like the third world these illegal aliens came from.

Huckabee is the last candidate that deserves the nomination if you are interested in taking America's sovereignty back.

Folks, we did exactly what these amnesty advocates wanted back in 1986 when we had 4 million illegals. We now have upwards of 20 million. If we do this again it will be the equivilent of national suicide. Huckabee is a slave labor shill for Tyson foods and other corporate traitors. America you were right about NAFTA and you're right about illegal immigration. It's a total betrayal of you and your children

For all the "send-them-back" folks, ponder this: no bodies to pick the crops in California, Florida, and other states, nobody to clean the dishes in the places where you eat, no minimum-wage workers at all-too-many places ALL OVER the USA. Send them ALL back? then who does all these jobs? For sure, not the "citizens" who are still here.

" look at a speech Rudy Giuliani gave as Mayor in 1996 on the subject of illegal immigration.
It was an interesting speech. Giuliani argued as to why city services should be available to those in the country illegally."

This is exactly the point - illegal immigration has outgrown our compassion. We have illegal immigration fatigue - and anger - that comes from millions and millions more since 1996.

Hucksterbee ponders, "If a child is gasping for air, asthmatic, and he's on the hospital steps, what do the other candidates suggest we do, let him sit there and gasp until he doesn't have any air left and he dies?"

America is choking on illegal immigration. And these damn candidates had better recognize the serious of the problem and not just believe this is a momentary concern.

when we start giving illegals more rights and access to govt cheese, then the legal citizens get then there is a huge problem. dems want them to be legal to secure votes, repubs want to do whats best for big corps, which is provide cheap labour. we cant legalize these people because once we do the big corps would fire them because now they deserve minimum wage, and if the corps arent willing to pay citizens that now what makes people think they will do it if we legalize everyone?

The original speech is well reasoned and highly sensible. If he changes it now, it is only to pander to the sort of voters he thinks he needs.

As usual the people who can explain there positions in a few paragraphs make good sense. The problem is TV and TV reporters, they don't have time to listen before a commercial. So some politicians use the "sound bite" which is usual just a point to incite the extremists.

We have to compromise, we can't tell an American born child 'I am sorry a non-citizen got your citizen's scholarship.' But the child born on American soil is American, option? When the child gets sick, goes to school, gets in trouble ... then the parents should be arrested for their illegal actions, and they and the child safely returned to the parent's country of origin. Upon the child being of age the child then gets to choose which country they are going to live in for their Adult-hood.

It is [a] solution.

The USA is rapidly becoming a 3rd world, and 3rd rate country, thanks in large part to the illegals that come here and the companies that harbor them.

If the people are here illegally they need to be sent back, end of story. The parents who came here illegaly did a grave injustice to their children and placed them in a precarious position. The blame and responsibility falls on the parents because they knew what might happen if they came here illegally. For every illegally child that we must pay for, it means a citizen does not have the funds available to them. Is that fair? Should a legal citizen be made to suffer to pay for someone who should not be here? Why should bad behavior be rewarded? Why should middle class families who dont make enough, for example, to send their kids to college and then have to go in debt to do so, while people who are here illegally get to go for free? Or even get in state tuition rates when a citizen from another state must pay significantly more?

I don't see how one person, even if the person is the president of the United States is going to correct this problem.
The politicians in Washington have aligned themselves with big business and special interests for so long you can not tell the difference between them. "Amnesty" this summer was suppose to make the whole issue legal. No matter what action the politicians take, you bet it is not going to harm big business and special interests. It will be at our, the citizens expense.

11-23-07

I don't trust anything these candidates are saying about what they would do about illegal immigration because I believe they are only saying what people want to hear in order to get elected. We need someone who has a strong position on securing our borders, going after employers who hire illegals, and are committed to rounding up the illegals that are here and shipping them back to their own country. I would also like to hear these candidates talk about the Mexican's government involvement in our political process...this needs to stop and we should stop bending over to a third world country.