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On the Bus, Under the Bus

November 25, 2007 11:00 AM

How important is it that a politician be loyal to his underlings, protégés, and associates?

I ask because ABC News' Matt Stuart, traveling with Mitt Romney, reports that the former Massachusetts Governor has called for Massachusetts Superior Court Judge Kathe Tuttman to resign. (READ MORE HERE).

Tuttman, as you may know, approved the early release of Daniel T. Tavares Jr., who killed his mother in 1991. Tavares is accused of killing a couple in Washington state.

"I think that the judge showed an inexplicable lack of good judgment ... to put somebody on the street who had not only in the past been convicted of manslaughter, but had threatened the lives of other individuals and was a flight risk," Romney said in Derry, NH. "And I think on that basis, that despite her record as being a law-and-order prosecutor, her lack of judgment suggests, she needs to resign from that position."

Here's the rub: Romney is the one who appointed Tuttman to the court.

Also campaigning in the Granite State, Rudy Giuliani assailed Romney's gubernatorial record on crime.

"So it's not so much the isolated situation which he and the judge will have to explain — he's kind of thrown her under the bus, so it's hard to know how this is all going to come out," the former New York Mayor told the AP. "But the reality is, he did not have a record of reducing violent crime."

It's interesting that Giuliani says Romney has thrown Tuttman "under the bus." Because earlier this year, Sen. Larry Craig, R-Idaho, accused Romney of doing the same thing to him.

Hours after the Craig scandal broke, Romney went on CNBC and called Craig's behavior "disgusting" and "disappointing."

"He's no longer associated with my campaign, as you can imagine," Romney said.

Craig later griped that he had been "very proud of my association with Mitt Romney. I'd worked hard for him here in the state. I was a co-chair of his campaign on Capitol Hill. And he not only threw me under his campaign bus, he backed up and ran over me again."

Giuliani, on the other hand, has shown real loyalty to friends and associates under fire for everything from alleged corruption to accusations (denied) of child molestation.

It is a real difference between the two men, the two leaders.

What do you think? Is Romney too quick to throw a troublesome associate under the proverbial bus? Does Giuliani not do it enough?

-- jpt

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Ahh... they certainly was Republicans today: they fought and swore and kicked and punched and called each other names - and when it was all over they each was just the same.

Posted by: Jordan | Nov 26, 2007 1:39:21 PM

White Mountain - First Pres. Bush was not involved in the saving and loan ordeal, whichever your talking about. Stop reading Liberal Blogs, and as for a poor student, he had over a 3.8 grade point average, higher then Kerry, so what are you thinking?

ALEX H do not forget about the Clinton Crime Syndicate.

The point is Rudy when he had Kerik, he was not breaking the law, it was only after he worked for rudy, So employers that hire someone and then that person breaks the law, that makes the employer bad also?

Another issue was Kerik convicted of something at this time or is it still in court?

Posted by: spock | Nov 26, 2007 1:38:18 PM

When we elect presidents with nicknames like "Tricky Dicky" and "Slick Willy" it says a lot about what we have to choose from. Bush was involved in the savings and loan scandal and was a poor student! We now have a president who is fiscally irresponsible and makes rash decisions, what a surprise! To answer your question, I wouldn't vote for either one of them!

Posted by: White Mountain | Nov 26, 2007 5:02:11 AM

Romney commissioned a study on corrections reform when he was governor. One key recommendation of that commission was that mandatory minimum sentences for non-violent drug offenders be eliminated, because those inmates accounted for 16% of the state's prison population. That still hasn't been implemented in Massachusetts.

The jails and prisons in this country are bursting at the seams, and the Tavares incident is an all-too-common side effect.

There's one place we could start to reform the system, and reduce overcrowding. We arrest nearly a million people each year for marijuana -- more than all violent crimes combined. How many more killers will have to be released from prison to make room for non-violent offenders?

It won't change under Romney's watch. He has said that he would "fight tooth and nail" any attempt to legalize pot -- even for terminally ill people who have their doctor's permission.

Posted by: Tracker | Nov 25, 2007 9:36:04 PM

Some GOP choice. Rudy is a cross dresser and his own family cannot stand him;
Milt puts his dog on top of his car when
traveling, hires illegal immigrants
to do housework but yet calls them
criminals; McCain, although a genuine
war hero, would continue Bush's Iraq
policies; Hunter & Tancredo only want to
deport 15 to 20 million illegals already
living in the US regardless of the cost
and finally we have Ron Paul - the best
of the lot. At least Paul has the
major issues right but due to a lack
of funds and the opposition of
GOP bigwigs all he can do is to
influence the GOP agenda.

Posted by: Beto | Nov 25, 2007 5:14:49 PM

Jason Prator, the job of any elected official is to uphold the laws of the United States, not "stick by his friends". The fact that he is willing to throw a lawbreaker "under the bus" even if he was once that person's close friend or supporter actually shows he has the RIGHT character.

Posted by: jfm125 | Nov 25, 2007 5:11:47 PM

If American's want a GWB clone, Giuliani is your man. The nastiness of this campaign has got to be encouraging to our enemies. It is not so much a case of free speech as it is oneupmanship, or "my dad can beat up your dad" mentality. We have to endure another YEAR of this childish nonsense. God help us.

Posted by: SGA | Nov 25, 2007 5:01:23 PM


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People who live in glass houses...

Giuliani's blind support for crooks and criminals like Bernie Kerik is well-established. A Giuliani govenment would be like that of DickNbush - packed with incompetent morons whose key characteristic is unending suc'king-up to their leader - and they'll all do "a heck of a job!".

The country and the world have had enough of government-by-crony.

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Posted by: ALEX H. | Nov 25, 2007 5:00:21 PM

I find this squabble fascinating. Giuliani trying to make a virtue out of loyalty to associates who are somewhat less than up to the job, in a way reminiscent of ohhh I dunno, maybe George W Bush. But then Romney showing bad judgement but at least doing something about it. Seems like these two are pretty confident that in the end the fight will be between them. With McCain and Huckabee and Thompson still in the frame that might prove to be a pretty big assumption.

I think in the end the other thing it shows is just how tough the GOP can be campaigning. They are happy to pick lumps out of each other, so goodness knows what they have in line for Clinton or Obama.

Posted by: saintlymark | Nov 25, 2007 4:35:44 PM

Fred Thompson is waitig to get his 5 seconds on this issue. Please take time to listen. This is good stuff. This is real world responses. Think about it. Mitt did draw to a conclusion real fast. Judge and Jury thing ... please be careful there are children playing here.

Posted by: CharlesJr | Nov 25, 2007 1:39:41 PM

Why are people talking about Larry Craig anymore? Hasn't he taken up permanent residence at a bathhouse somewhere? Or has his wife "forgiven" him, and let him stay in their house??? LOL

Posted by: Scott | Nov 25, 2007 1:24:18 PM

Rudy Gulliani is a worthless slug, and now he's getting desperate. Don't elect this man, people!!! You'll be sorry, I guarantee it.

Posted by: Scott | Nov 25, 2007 1:22:27 PM

"Romney Threw Judge Under Bus" - do the police know of this? Or is this just another non-nonsensical and meaningless phrase.

Posted by: Mark Trynson | Nov 25, 2007 1:13:24 PM

Tired of dealing with this sort of politics?? Sick of pretend conservatives and fake Republicans??? Give Ron Paul and ear and open mind and you might hear truth and the real principles of the Constitution!

Posted by: Brent | Nov 25, 2007 1:11:16 PM

The guy Giuliani most notably stood by - Bernard Kerik - is under indictment and will have his day in court. That's quite a difference from aggravated murder. I live in Washington state and, unfortunately, there will be no day in court for the young couple whose door was kicked in and brutally murdered in their own home while minding their own business. That guy killed his own mother after committing multiple felonies his entire youth, assaulted guards and other convicts during his time in prison and is pretty much a textbook sociopath. He should never have been let out. Period. That judge has a LOT to answer for.

Posted by: PaulR | Nov 25, 2007 1:07:30 PM

Whats true integrety? I would think that supporting someone who obviously did something wrong, would be far worse than what this writer describes as loyalty. Its more important to be loyal to yourself and your principles, than too support swine! Rudy can be as loyal as he wants to his currupt officials. Me? I'd rather vote for someone who stays loyal to himself. Like I said, whats real integrety Mr. Tapper?

Posted by: Forwhat itsworth | Nov 25, 2007 12:59:55 PM

I think that Kathe Tuttman is actually a Mass. Superior Court Judge, not a Mass. Supreme court judge.

Posted by: Mark Kirsch | Nov 25, 2007 12:49:31 PM

Romney elected the judge to that position and now she is the fall person.We all make mistakes,what about the parole board who obviuosly made that reccomendation.The judge only has that to go on.Maybe he should go under the bus-- how does he think she feels because he doesnt.cheers

Posted by: james cook | Nov 25, 2007 12:44:20 PM

I think Romney's history of getting rid of people at the first sign of trouble, as opposed to letting the facts play out, quietly speaks of his character. We all understand the need and desire for someone with a high profile and high hopes to not be associated with people who lack reason and judgement. But in the rhetorical sense, what does this say of Romney's character? It shows a man who will do anything or discredit anyone for personal gain. If Romney can throw his personal friends and associates under the "proverbial bus," what about the rest of us? A man like this will say or promise something one day, and the very next day, if his previous promises and statements do not suit his personal or political needs, he will quickly recant and throw those very same promises under the "proverbial bus," no matter whose life (or lives) is affected.
Say what you want about Guliani, or George Bush, for that matter. But the American people know when something is promised from either man, good or bad, that "something" will be accomplished. This characteristic goes hand in hand with those who remain loyal to their personal friends, even through the bad times.
Romney fails to understand the American people. Most American know when there is corruption in the ranks, someone needs to go. However, most Americans also understand and support public signs of grace and unconditional support, even while a leader disassociates himself from the person in question.
On a personal level, Romney should be careful about his pious,righteous and unforgiving attitude. He may find himself without friends someday... ecspecially in the corrupt world of politics. And let's not forget our faithful friend "Karma"... The person he is throwing under the bus today might the same person he needs tomorrow.
The question is do you want a man who is loyal and somewhat unpopular or a man who is disloyal and popular to most people? Let the people decide...

Posted by: Jason Prater | Nov 25, 2007 12:42:32 PM

Stick a fork in 'em they're done. Any GOP candidate who supports the failed invasion / occupation of Iraq and who panders to the radical clerics is DOA with the American voters in 2008.

One Republican candidate stands alone.

He raised 4 million dollars in one day on Nov 5th. His little "tea party" on Dec 16th will easily put him over the 12 million dollar mark for the campaign and poised to take New Hampshire Jan 8th.

This ten term Congressman and physician is not worried about raising enough money, he''s just worried you may not even know who he is yet! That''s all about to change for the better.

Freedom is catching on!!

Posted by: Mark Maxwell | Nov 25, 2007 12:41:36 PM

What action is more admirable - sticking by slime or throwing slime "under the bus?"

Posted by: wherehasmycountrygone | Nov 25, 2007 12:31:16 PM

Is this Rudy's lame attempt to spin his friendships and business relationships with criminals and scumbags? Nice shine job, Rudy. Am I buying it? No!

Both Mitt and Rudy are paper dolls; they can change their appearance on a whim. One is uglier, of course, but they both lack the brains, authority, intelligence and integrity our next president sorely needs. So they have to try on outfits and make themselves look appealing, but there entire campaigns are an exercise in fakery, a deeply deceiving amount of fakery that equals putting lipstick on a pig.

Posted by: Mojopo | Nov 25, 2007 12:30:37 PM

Me too, perhaps like an allegorical bus?

Posted by: johnnysnot | Nov 25, 2007 11:37:20 AM

Aren't we looking for a leader who is willing to admit mistakes and adapt when it's clear things need to be changed? That isn't a sign of weakness, and a critical skill in the business world.

Posted by: fiscalconservative | Nov 25, 2007 11:37:03 AM

Seems to me that Giuliani with his history of associates doesn't know the difference between loyalty and cronyism. Kerik, of course, is a prime example, as if the guy was guilty of nothing more than jay walking!

Posted by: murphny | Nov 25, 2007 11:31:49 AM

nice. a proverbial bus. I clicked on this hoping for something more than a metaphorical bus.

Posted by: BoogerDee | Nov 25, 2007 11:23:06 AM

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