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Redford vs. Gore

November 24, 2007 1:29 PM

Speaking to the New Statesman, a British magazine, longtime actor/environmentalist Robert Redford makes some snarky comments about former Vice President Al Gore, his Nobel Peace Prize notwithstanding.

"It was not a happy, easy time," Redford says of being an eco-warrior in 1969, "because those were the days that the oil and gas companies pretty much controlled the show on propaganda. Anyone speaking about solar energy would be smashed down as being a radical, a tree-hugger and granola-cruncher, or what have you."

The story says Redford is "notably cynical" about Gore's Nobel Peace Prize.

"He's making a lot of money, he's having a belle époque, a heroic moment," says Redford. "It must have been really hard for Gore to suffer all that [losing the presidential election], so he found another thing to come back with: the environment. He had a lot of money behind him, because in Clinton's administration there was a lot of money. With that he was able to build himself a new campaign and pick an issue. And he picked an issue that just happened to arrive at its moment in time."

Writes the author: "The less-than-subtle subtext is that Gore is an arriviste, while Redford has been out there, a grizzled loner, bearing the jibes and right-wing clobbering before the environmental cause was fashionable."

Read more HERE.

I await the Gore partisans explaining how Robert Redford is a tool of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy.

-- jpt

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All of you "environmentalists": when you go to a gore speech event, please shout out to gore "WHAT ABOUT THE UWAS INDIANS AND OCCIDENTAL PETROLEUM?" gore will probably pretend he does not know anything about them. If you are truly an ethical environmentalis you will do this. I will wait and see if the Liberal Socialist Democrat media reports it! We'll see....

Posted by: pedro | Nov 26, 2007 10:35:33 AM

Thank You Mr. Redford! Please ask gore to explain what he did to the UWAS Indians during the TWO clinton administrations? The Indians begged gore and Occidental Petroleum to not drill in their land because it was destroying their environment and gore just ignored them because he was (and is) making huge profits. What a hypocrit. The UWAS Indians put a curse on gore (and the Clintons), the curse is for them to go down healthwise and in the area of family happiness. Which is the most important thing to the UWAS.

Posted by: pedro | Nov 26, 2007 10:28:44 AM

Hey Bev H:

Get your facts straight.
You say:

"I find all of this to be so humorous. Society has become a group of puppets who will repeat whatever the media has told them to believe. How sad that we are no longer free-thinkers and researchers of factual information. It's true, there are environmental changes - and there have been since the beginning of time. What Big Al does not want to focus on is that the warmest year on record to date is 1934 - NOT 1998, 2005 or 2006. So - whether or not his agenda is for promotting "peace" - it doesn't matter".

WRONG.

1934 was the warmest year on record for the U.S.

2005 was the warmest year on record for the PLANET.

It's worldwide-global warming.
Will you apologize to Al Gore?

Posted by: truthisall | Nov 26, 2007 9:17:14 AM

Let's see, this book was written in 1992. I think Gore has been talking about this for 15 plus years so I don't know where Redford is coming from. I do know that Tapper likes to give Gore a kick in the ***** every once in a while though. Bravo Jake, way to report the important stuff.

Posted by: Tim O | Nov 26, 2007 8:49:58 AM

Great! Now we have environmentalists who are basically on the same page, at each others throat. Redford should read-up on the

Posted by: ceci | Nov 26, 2007 1:59:31 AM

Hey rowefan - You seem to know very little about the Nobel Prize, and who is eligible to receive it. So why are you criticizing Al Gore? Wangari Maathai, a black woman environmentalist in Kenya, won a Nobel Peace Prize in 2004 for a tree-planting program she started and oversaw to its fruition. And that, also, was an environmental cause. Environmental issues are of utmost importance to all human life and all life on our planet, and the people who give out the Nobel Prize recognize that.

Posted by: tom | Nov 26, 2007 1:33:25 AM

I must say I don't understand Robert Redford putting down Al Gore. Hey Bob, he's on the same side you are!!! Who cares if you were a so-called environmentalist back in '69? Or if you are a more "hard core" environmentalist? You should welcome ANYONE who shares your concerns on the environment. Stop being so bitter and go back to your Sundance hide-out and plan your next film festival. Or maybe you could keep yourself busy making yet another "director's cut" of The Natural. What an egotist.

Posted by: tom | Nov 26, 2007 1:09:55 AM

Please! Al Gore was studying and writing about the environment before George Bush learned where home plate is.

Posted by: John D | Nov 26, 2007 12:43:33 AM

After Katrina, haven't people been predicting more and worse hurricanes because of global warming?

Seems like there are fewer and they are weaker.

Posted by: A.J. | Nov 26, 2007 12:13:59 AM

Al Gore has made his fortune in oil gas and coal. Come on folks. Look in Webster dictionary. under Hippocrit it says see Al Gore.

Posted by: Hamby | Nov 25, 2007 10:05:49 PM

Is there dissention in the ranks of the "onward environmental soldiers"? Rather than pointing the accusing finger at Americans for driving SUVs or for just being American, have they decided instead to point the accusing finger at each other?

Gore and Redford need to unite. Com'on you two! You can't launch a decent campaign against the American citizens if you fight one another!

Posted by: jfm125 | Nov 25, 2007 5:42:07 PM

Until we recognize that pollution levels rise and fall with human population the problems addressed by Mr. Gore will only get worse. Until Mr. Gore develops the intestinal fortitude to suggest zero population growth or even better a human population reduction, I will continue to call him a hypocrite. As long as he uses many times as much electrical power and natural gas as the average American, I will continue to recognize his hypocrisy. ... I don’t have much use for a hypocrite.

Posted by: Royce | Nov 25, 2007 3:34:46 PM

Robert Redford's anger is directed toward Al Gore's lack of conviction to get into the uncomfortable political arena and make a difference in regard to global warming.

Posted by: Carol A. | Nov 25, 2007 2:55:00 PM

Gore's winning the Nobel Peace Prize is a sham and disgrace to the actual meaning of the prize itself. I've lost all respect for what the prize stands for. Redford needed to shoot down Gore's "dedication" to "stop" global warming by which the ex-vp by no means lives what he preaches. All these carbon credits are a scam of the worst kind to put more money in Gore's pocket and in accordance to liberal ways raise our taxes higher till we have nothing left in our wallets. If anything Redford needed to bring that up to reveal the hypocrisy of Gore and his cronies. I'm no environmentalist, but to be taken seriously you have to practice what you preach, and Redford at least has that intention.

Posted by: cbeargal65 | Nov 25, 2007 12:46:37 PM

as a person who has been around sonce Redford was a young star, and remembers his stance on environmental issues, I say he is quite correct in his critcism of Al Gore.

Posted by: wallabbie | Nov 25, 2007 12:35:52 PM

james:

The issue was not as clear back then -- the evidence was just coming to light. There is no way Gore and Clinton could have pushed through anything significant back then especially with a Republican controlled congress.

Posted by: bob | Nov 25, 2007 11:58:34 AM

Al as someone else said had eight years to do something for the enviroment.Maybe if he did back then we could of nipped this in the bud.He road Clintons coat tails.Now he has time on his hands and surely misses the limelight,why not ride the enviromental coat tails.cheers

Posted by: james cook | Nov 25, 2007 11:45:58 AM

Bev:

2005 was the warmest year since the late 1800s, according to NASA scientists. 1998, 2002 and 2003 and 2004 followed as the next four warmest years. Some other research groups that study climate change rank 2005 as the second warmest year. The primary difference among the analyses, according to the NASA scientists, is the inclusion of the Arctic in the NASA analysis.

Posted by: bob | Nov 25, 2007 11:30:33 AM

Harken Northerners and Westerners, an honest liberal speaks and is worth listening to if you do not agree with him. Growing up in the south, I can assure you we see through phonies like Al Gore and John Edwards. These men are opportunistic and not popular in their own states. At least Redford has been honest about his opinions but the two "say and do anything" so called southern boys do not deserve a moment of listening to.

Posted by: rockychance | Nov 25, 2007 10:58:01 AM

I find all of this to be so humorous. Society has become a group of puppets who will repeat whatever the media has told them to believe. How sad that we are no longer free-thinkers and researchers of factual information. It's true, there are environmental changes - and there have been since the beginning of time. What Big Al does not want to focus on is that the warmest year on record to date is 1934 - NOT 1998, 2005 or 2006. So - whether or not his agenda is for promotting "peace" - it doesn't matter. Environmentalists along with folks like Al Gore - are selling a lot of books, DVD's and CD's at your expense. Why not just recycle and conserve our resources as you deem responsible, and jump off the yahoo-bandwagon that is currently politically popular - again, as deemed by the media? Folks like Al Gore are being green alright - and they're laughing all the way to the bank. I'd have much more respect for him if he would turn all of his profits over to help the children in this country who are starving and living in poverty. Wouldn't that be a NOBLE thing.....

Posted by: Bev H. | Nov 25, 2007 10:49:52 AM

I am saddened that Redford is spending his energy attacking someone else who cares about the environment rather than using his ammunition to fight for the cause. Sometimes, it seems as though the only thing that matters is who gets the credit rather than whether our causes succeed. I still admire Robert Redford, but I will hold this against him.

Posted by: mark | Nov 25, 2007 10:27:11 AM

Never mind who said what. The climate is changing. And that causes instability and uncertainty in the agricultural industry. Remember, we get food from the water and from the dirt. Suppose middle American became a desert, in 50 years. We'd be buying grain from China. That's the issue! Life will survive. But who will be in power?

Posted by: Enlightened | Nov 25, 2007 10:18:18 AM

Both men are overblown hypocrits.

If Gore cared so much about the environment, why did he keep his stock in oil and mine companies for so long? He criticized them publically while privately enjoying the profits. He had 8 years as Vice President to address the issue. All he ever did was devastate the local ecology to make a pretty background for a photo shot.

Redford build huge ski lodges on pristine mountain slopes, and he charges a fortune for the rich to fly in private jets to use them. Hardly the action of a man who cares about the environment.

Posted by: Essa Boselin | Nov 25, 2007 10:00:18 AM

Please advise Mr. Redford, I believe Al Gores book on environmental issues was written long before his first bid for the White House.

Posted by: Benn | Nov 25, 2007 9:58:36 AM

Here we go again. Instead of attacking the problem, we attack one another. This is why nothing ever gets done. We are supposed to be grown up, mature adults. Instead, at every turn, we prove ourselves to be overindulgent, spoiled little brats; in the "my dad can beat up your dad" vein. Most people with 1/2 a working brain that global warming, is a world-wide (as in Global) problem that will require the brain trust and cooperation of many individuals and nations to solve. Back biting, accusations, and political rhetoric seem to be the ways we choose to express our denial. This is another example of why space aliens do not land here and only hover. No intelligent life on this rock.

Posted by: SGA | Nov 25, 2007 9:58:13 AM

Al Gore got a Nobel PEACE prize.....I thought that the PEACE prize was for contributing to global peace....not science, or myth, or brainwashing, or whatever you want to call Gore's efforts.

Posted by: rowefan | Nov 25, 2007 9:29:35 AM

Mr. Redford, for whom I have a great deal of respect, is out of line here. He needs to go back to school and learn something about Mr. Gore. Gore has been an environmentalist as long as Mr. Redford and perhaps longer. Not only is Gore more learned on the subject, he has spent many years fighting on the political front lines of the issue. That's more valuable and effective than an entertainer's cause célèbre. Oh, and Mr. Redford, the oil companies still enjoy full control over propaganda. Their widnfall profits make it possible to buy anything, including the White House.

Posted by: Allen | Nov 25, 2007 9:13:45 AM

I am not entirely sure what is Redford's point. Is he saying Gore is exploiting the issue for his own personal gain? Who knows? But the reality is Gore's efforts have done more to propel this issue into the national debate than anyone else has done. Even the Dem presidential candidates have pretty much ignored the issue.

Posted by: bob | Nov 25, 2007 9:12:17 AM

Lest we forget, the root of the problem is mankind’s insatiable appetite for more. More comfort, more ease, more pleasure, and more things which has become identified as progress within society. But, in reality this society’s capstone reads “GREED” and that capstone will eventually become civilization’s tombstone.

Posted by: opus | Nov 25, 2007 9:08:14 AM

global warming is caused by man,or the sun,moon, earth are on some cycle independent or interrelated or some freak occurance as a comet flying by and changing short term temp. No one really knows .

Posted by: tim baker | Nov 25, 2007 9:01:39 AM

Up until NOW, I had the UTMOST respect for Robert Redford (because of the movies he's made, AND his personal lifestyle/integrity), but, WHAT?! I can understand why Redford may be a little jealous of the fact that Gore won a Nobel Prize for something HE (Redford) was probably always concerned with, but c'mon, Gore HAS ALWAYS DONE (in the beginning, "TRIED to do") SOMETHING ABOUT IT, so Gore DESERVES the prize! Maybe he DID have more money than Redford to do this when he did, but, Redford DID have the funds to make a movie (he just was "beaten to the punch")!

Posted by: mod rit | Nov 25, 2007 8:24:57 AM


felixmosakowski said:

"Bill, you're comparing Gore getting money for speeches to Cheney and Halliburton ripping off the American taxpayer?

This is a public forum Bill. The audience is more informed and conscious of reality than the 24% you may be used to addressing."

__________________________

Obviously, Felix, you meant to say you were more well versed in liberal/progressive media soundbytes.

Fact is, your hero - Gore - is manipulating his pet cause brillantly from a financial standpoint. He racks up the power bills and saves "green" face by purchasing carbon offsets... from his own carbon offset company. When he wants to stash his profits? He donates to a charity foundation.. of which he is head honcho there too.

Posted by: MataHarley | Nov 25, 2007 8:06:33 AM

I don't know what Tommy is talking about, as a teacher in a UK school, I can assure every reader here that no film is 'required viewing' in UK schools. Indeed I believe 'An Inconvenient Truth' is being supplied free to all Enlish and Welsh schools. Doesn't make it required viewing mind.

And there is far more consensus on this side of the Atlantic then there appears to be in the US as far as the position of the global climate is concerned. Pioliticians of most stripes agree somnething needs to be done. Only in America as far as I know is there such scepticism on this issue. I think a lot of that is driven by the amount of oil money in your politics. But its genuinely very sad that a global initiative to help make the modern industrial way of life more sustainable is blocked by these people.

Posted by: saintlymark | Nov 25, 2007 7:10:17 AM

"...before the environmental cause was fashionable"???
Al Gore MADE it fashionable. And that is why (in my view) he does deserve Nobel Prize.

Posted by: Rita | Nov 25, 2007 7:00:26 AM

It is all a scam to get Americans to accept a global carbon tax anyway.
As a HAM radio buff, I can tell you that the entire solar system is heating up do to a rather active sun cycle. That happens no matter how much carbon we produce. It is a natural occurence that takes place over eleven year cycles in general. And all the tax they can con you in to paying isn't going to stop that. Let alone the underwater volcano activity, other natural global warming activity on earth that is totaly beyond our control.
Can we live in a cleaner environment?
Sure!
Should we try to prevent polution?
Sure!
But we should never ever allow our government to drag us into any form of a global tax scam.
EVER!

Posted by: tumbleweedin | Nov 25, 2007 5:59:42 AM

Two arguing who's the most gullible!

Posted by: dgfiit | Nov 25, 2007 3:34:29 AM

Wow. Very highschool of Mr. Redford. Gore isn't perfect, and all politicians are hypocrites in some way, but can't you be glad that he's bringing attention to this issue? You surely weren't able to do it, Bob.

Posted by: dave | Nov 25, 2007 1:47:09 AM

I really think you overstate Redford's criticism.

Posted by: Rich | Nov 25, 2007 12:18:10 AM

Thanks for the latest episode of "When Liberals Attack!" I am thrilled that someone of Redford's stature is finally pointing out what I've thought all along: Al Gore, like his bitter mentor Jimmy Carter, can't face the fact that he lost an election and is desperately trying the "elder statesman" routine to stay in the public eye. Their idea of "public service" is treating us to their personal opinions and petty vendettas whenever they need a little attention to confirm their lofty opinions of themselves. Good for Redford for calling Gore on this.

Posted by: Joy O | Nov 25, 2007 12:13:51 AM

Jake's comments: "I await the Gore partisans explaining how Robert Redford is a tool of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy." He's absolutely right. I can't wait to see how this will be spun to be something concocted by the Republicans...

Posted by: Getalife | Nov 25, 2007 12:00:54 AM

BOTH REDFORD AND GORE HAVE ENOUGH "ENEMIES" WITH NO ENVIRONMENTAL CREDENTIALS WHO WILL GLADLY ATTACK THEM. STOP THIS INSANITY. REDFORD APOLOGIZE AND MAKE AMENDS.

Posted by: LITTLE RED WAGON | Nov 24, 2007 11:36:42 PM

Redford is so bitter. Al Gore is a hero for the environment. We need more people like him.

Posted by: Stephanie | Nov 24, 2007 11:15:06 PM

Redford runs a formerly vaguely-indie film festival that is now a shamelessly Conservative Hollywood Studio venture capital operation. Textbook Van Hayek "liberalism."

I guess I can understand his feeling so overly defensive about his liberal credentials.

Posted by: Elodie | Nov 24, 2007 10:55:21 PM

Sounds jealous to me. I actually think Gore is a fraud and Redford has a little more credibility. However, I think his statements sound rather petty. Maybe if anybody could think of any of the "right wing clobbering" cited this might seem like sour grapes. Redford is in the attention business and Gore is now the popular kid on the block. If he was genuinely concered about the environment (instead of self promotion) this wouldn't matter to him.

Posted by: Fred Fredburger | Nov 24, 2007 9:50:00 PM

Bill, you're comparing Gore getting money for speeches to Cheney and Halliburton ripping off the American taxpayer?

Rightttt!! This is a public forum Bill. The audience is more informed and conscious of reality than the 24% you may be used to addressing.

Here's some advice for ya.

"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt".

Posted by: felixmosakowski | Nov 24, 2007 9:48:27 PM

So Gore is into a venture capital firm investing in environmental solutions to all this Global Warming crap. This, along with the fact that he's raking in $200K per speech makes me wonder: 'How's this any different than the Cheney-Halliburton deal in Iraq?'

Posted by: Bill | Nov 24, 2007 9:33:32 PM

You have to hand it to Mr. Redford - at least he has convictions. I have to respect anyone with convictions whether I agree with him or not. I can't respect Mr. Gore because he's a hypocrite.

Posted by: Getalife | Nov 24, 2007 9:02:26 PM

For all of you who claim to be able to multiply, let's try this again:

1 million plastic bags per second is how many bags in one year?

60 seconds in a minute X
60 minutes in an hour X
24 hours in a day X
365 days in a year X
1 million is

31,536,000,000,000 or

31 thousand billion bags

In a discussion with so few hard known facts let's at least try to get the hard math right.

Posted by: Mat | Nov 24, 2007 8:47:44 PM

I have worked on Mr. Redfords Sundance resort, I have met the man and listened to him on these issues, first hand. I then have personal knowledge of his committment to the environment. His use of solar and recycling is concrete, long, and without question; as is his dedication to the cause.

Gore? his only contribution was to provide a more public platform. good; but not worthy of the accolades given to him; and absolutely not qualification for the Nobel PEACE prize. His personal energy use is tantamount to hipocracy of the worse order. Redford is right; this is Gores' RECENT re-shine of his political persona, and not much more than that.

So....what have YOU and I done to right the world, neh?

Posted by: camapbell | Nov 24, 2007 8:10:58 PM

You have no idea how this works. When temperature rises, CO2 rises, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND! Please people, do some sort of SCIENTIFIC READING BEFORE YOU BECOME AN EXPERT ON THIS! The climate we have now IS NOT THE PERFECT CLIMATE FOR THE REST OF ETERNITY! IF WE TRY TO STOP THE EARTH FROM HAVING IT'S NATUAL CYCLES THEN WE COULD DO DEVASTATING DAMAGE TO OUR PLANET! PLEASE DON'T TRY TO STOP OUR EARTH FROM DOING IT'S THING! YOU WILL KILL US ALL!!

Posted by: Tommy | Nov 24, 2007 7:35:38 PM

can Mr Redford tell us what has he done to help the world being just a little bit better?

Posted by: Fabio | Nov 24, 2007 7:35:04 PM

I don't know what either of them have to claim? They certainly provided no solutions. I claim the award, but really I don;t want the award. I would rather have us do my suggestions.
1. build manmade icebergs the size of cruiseships. Inside they are full of Liquid Nitrogen or Dry Ice refreezing and keeping Temps cold in the Artic. I have further details.
2. Use space station/ program to suck in CO2 to make dry ice and send to the sun or moon. Removing CO2 from atmosphere will reduce Global Warming.
3.Grow algae Oil as crude old algae oil depletes in the ground. There is no such thing as Peak Oil. All oil on the planet is renewable. Newly grown Algae Oil is less polluting. There is no end to Oil supplies, only where we get them.
4. All coal factories required to capture emissions to feed algae farms.
5.Electric Car Battery Stations should be setup so people can exchange batteries for a fee. Electric cars can use dry ice, or liquid nitrogen as a new air conditioning technology.
6. Support Wind, Solar, Geothermal, Steam Magnifying power.

Posted by: djermano | Nov 24, 2007 7:31:02 PM

Please Google "Great Global Warming Swindle" (which is required viewing in British schools) to see the actual scientists from the IPCC talking about the REAL state of our planet. You WILL be amazed!!! Keep in mind that when someone OUTSIDE THE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY says there is a "consensus" Then is most certainly NOT a concensus! Was there concensus when the Sun revolved around the Earth? How about gravity? For every 100,000 molecules of air there are 38 molecules of CO2. We couldn't affect that if we ALL drove SUVs and flew private jets like Al Gore for ten years. It would take a monumental effort and years of trying to raise that number by ONE MOLECULE. If you listen to Al Gore and his sham of a climate scientist James Hansen (which neither will debate any other scientists) then call me to do your taxes this year because I am really good at Physics as a graduate in that field! Makes as much sense as listening to Redford or Gore about science since neither has ANY REAL WORLD SCIENTIFIC BACKGROUND!!!

Posted by: Tommy | Nov 24, 2007 7:30:07 PM

Robert Redford is wrong to think Al Gore just recently took an interest in the environment. Look up the facts and he will see that Gore was an Environmentalist long before he was even a Politician. Perhaps Redford is suffering the effects of eating a few "sour grapes"?? Redford's involvement in protecting our planet (which is a truly great thing!!) and ongoing for years. BUT, it hasn't resulted in winning him any prizes. Why are his feathers so ruffed about Al Gore or anyone else for that matter? This one guy produced an incredible amount of attention, money, interest, awareness, etc. to Redford's life passion!! Al is on the same side Robert!! Stop spitting at him! Your anger toward Gore is heating up the very planet you are trying to cool down!

Posted by: lori | Nov 24, 2007 7:28:44 PM

Hey, I've got an idea. Let's forget trying to get scientific answers from actors and politicians. Let's leave that up to the thousands and thousands of scientists that are climate related professionals. No other person needs to be called on. When the IPCC gets together the scientists take proven facts like ice core samples current data and models for temperature changes, then the politicians and policy-makers come in and actually NEGOTIATE on what words are used in the "Summary for Policy Makers". What is interesting is that these politicians debate how this report is worded. You can go to the IPCC and see for yourself how it is done. EVERY WORD, EVERY SENTENCE IS NEGOTIATED! We should, as humans with a vested interest, DEMAND that the scientific part be televised with both sides giving their views. Would you take your taxes to your plumber to do them? Would you let your accountant fix you sink? Hell, no. Well, that's what we are doing when we listen to politicians and actors talk about climate change, which is real. Climate change has occurred ever since the planet has been here. We have SCIENTIFIC PROOF that the HOLOCENE PERIOD was 15 degrees WARMER than we have now and yet life and vegetation flourished, not failed. Man has almost ZERO effect on the temperature. CO2 is affected by temperature, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND! This is established SCIENCE, nnot speculation. We also know that out of every 100,000 molecules of air, CO2 makes up only 38 MOLECULES! We could all drive an Escalade with no catalytic converter for ten years and we would raise that only ONE MOLECULE. Why do we trust guys like Al Gore to tell us how we should be living when he flys around in a jet making MILLION off of his speeches about this issue? Why won't he or his "scientist" James Hansen debate Richard Lindzen (MIT Climatology Professor) on TV about this as Mr. Lindzen has requested? The Founder of The Weather Channel has come out recently about the unfounded claims that man has any effect on temperature change. Why is this climate the perfect one for all time? Why do carbon credits go back into Al Gore's pocket? There is no way to explain the fact that absolutely NO MODELS ON CLIMATE TAKE RAINFALL INTO ACCOUNT? Why don't we know how much rain falls in one day, but we "know" that the "rise in sea levels will be 20 ft." (as Gore claims in his film)? There is no way to debate this: MAN HAS ZERO EFFECT ON THE TEMPERATURE OF THE EARTH! IT IS UNDISPUTABLE AND IS BACKED UP BY MANY PIECES OF EVIDENCE! PLEASE LEARN ABOUT SCIENCE BEFORE POSTING INSANE REMARKS ABOUT HOW WE ARE "KILLING" OUR PLANET! GOOGLE "GREAT GLOBAL WARMING SWINDLE" AND YOU WILL SEE THE SCIENTISTS, THE LEAD AUTHORS, IN FACT, FINALLY SPEAKING OUT ABOUT THE REAL SITUATION OUR EARTH FINDS ITSELF IN. YOU WILL BE AMAZED!

Posted by: Tommy | Nov 24, 2007 7:22:09 PM

This is just terrible journalism—creating a story out of another reporter's assumptions? This kind of meta-news is a disservice to all of us. The "subtext" of this article is that the writer has no commitment to the ethical obligations of journalism.

Posted by: Jon | Nov 24, 2007 6:51:29 PM

Well ... The pretty boy ain't too pretty anymore. He has to do or say something to stay in the spotlight.

Posted by: wiz | Nov 24, 2007 6:33:16 PM

Trust No One...who makes a profit off their "message." Environmentalists, Televangelists, Politicians...when they're paid to take a position, it's the money and the power talking. Nothing more.

Instead of grousing about it, Redford should be rejoicing that Gore took the whole Earthy-Touchy-Feely thing mainstream...something apparently he wasn't able to do.

Posted by: Jonathan | Nov 24, 2007 6:17:27 PM

Whether or not pollution is causing global warming, it kills people. Just breathing the air in Los Angeles is equivalent to smoking, as I recall, seven or eight cigarettes a day. We should stop polarizing conservation. People who think global warming is due to natural climate cycles are NOT right wing nut-jobs. People who think global warming is mostly the fault of multi-national corporations are NOT left wing nut-jobs. Al Gore can be a bag of wind. His movie DID fake some things. But his intention was noble. Try to drive less. Recycle. Replace incandescent bulbs with compact flourescent units. Use cloth bags at the grocery store. Use fewer chemicals in your yard. It's not political; at least, it shouldn't be. Those of you on the left, or right, who are politicizing this issue, are the real nut-jobs here.

Posted by: SteveW | Nov 24, 2007 6:11:24 PM

All the politians do things for a reason money is the biggest thing and fame. Even if he is a total fake of which I believe he is at the very least he is bringing it to fore front. I do not believe in one moment in time that he is doing for us at all. He has a lot of money so he is using his and I am sure our money to try to keep in the fore front as I said before.

Posted by: Carol | Nov 24, 2007 5:47:26 PM

The sky is falling - - - - The sky is falling - - - - The sky is falling - - - - The sky is falling - - - - hehehehehahahahehehehahaha - - - - - but don't take away Ole Al –B-o-r-e's gas guzzling SUV's, Private Airplane, or his 30,000 square foot home for two - - - - cause he's got ALL these green energy credits HE bought up - - - - HE can waste all the energy HE wants to- - YOU IS the ONE who ought to feel ashamed of yourself- - - Ole Al B-O-R-E is going to use all the money his family made off the oil, gas, and tobacco industries telling YOU what a bad person YOU are for not using green energy - - - - - while he makes millions off YOU -- selling YOU green energy junk and getting all those government Corporate welfare tax credits the all the Democrats love so much…….

Posted by: FidoNY | Nov 24, 2007 5:39:18 PM

dont you get it? ... even the headline is redford "vs." gore... please folks, this is precisely the kind of blather that responsible citizens need to ignore... what kind of "reporter" would pit one good man against another?... one who is politically slanted

this is an opinion piece designed to downgrade both men... when was the last time trapper did a real expose on the environment???...... still waiting.!.

Posted by: earthnotflat | Nov 24, 2007 5:33:17 PM

let's all go out and buy a smart car - that'll show em...

Posted by: jthomas | Nov 24, 2007 5:19:53 PM

The American people have been duped. We think we are all that when we are close to nothing because we don't even own ourselves. We have been slaves for years and we didn't even know it. It's about time we stop paying for oil, stop paying for the energy that we use. We are the only ones in the world where both the husband and wife work and sometimes more than one per person and it is still not enough. That is as close to being a slave as anything. We have had decades to develop solar energy. Now it is too late for that because there are other more reasonable (free) forms of energy in the works. Petroleum will soon be worthless. The future is an hydrogen economy (which is free). Enough nonsense already. Shake off the petroleum scourge!

Posted by: Daleri | Nov 24, 2007 5:17:27 PM

Redford must feel pretty sorry for himself since Gope it seems is a far better communicator. Redford could have made a movie just as Gore. I would feel better not having "our side" trying to destroy what little traction sanity has at present.

Posted by: geneonlbk | Nov 24, 2007 5:13:35 PM

Tsk, tsk, tsk... Guess you should have made a movie about global warming, Mr. Redford. Maybe you'd have won an Oscar too.

Posted by: Opa | Nov 24, 2007 4:29:36 PM

1 million plastic bags per second is 31,536,000 million per year, not 450 million per year. Get your math right; it's really quite easy to multiply.

Does either number sound reasonable?

Posted by: Mark | Nov 24, 2007 4:19:15 PM

Redford should not compare Gore with himself until he - Redford - has tried to run for national office and has attempted to legislate solutions to these problems. It is not enough just to protest that things are not right, if one is not also very earnestly trying to create and enable alternatives that are safer and more workable. If Redford wants to judge Gore by comparison, then he should compare Gore to some of Gore's own "peer" politicians - people like George Bush or Gore's fellow Tennessean, Fred Thompson. If Redford thinks some of these make more sense than Gore, then he should certainly say so - and we will then know where Redford really stands.

Posted by: Jordan | Nov 24, 2007 4:18:52 PM

and like the lambs they are, libs and facists alike will pick sides... like i said, trapper and this kind of infotainment is just what the corporate propoganda 'news' stations love to keep the focus off the issue and onto infighting that they create and inflate

Posted by: earthnotflat | Nov 24, 2007 3:59:26 PM

I think Al Gore would make a nice Vice Janitor. Redford could make a mess and Al could bitch and whine and then clean it up.

Posted by: Scott | Nov 24, 2007 3:54:26 PM

Wow! Talk about your sour grapes? To whine about getting someone getting more publicity for advancing public awareness regarding global warming just seems petty.

Seems to me Mr. Redford would rejoice that the message has gotten out to more people, even if Mr. Redford's personal efforts weren't as well publicized or garned no awards or quite as recent.

Yeap, that's how I'd characterize Mr. Redford's press release...petty.

Posted by: Marian | Nov 24, 2007 3:49:06 PM

Al is getting smashed down too - just read the nutbag anti-global warming postings on this thread.

Posted by: Doug | Nov 24, 2007 3:23:07 PM

YAWN.

This movie sucks, where is Paul Newman when you need him?

Oh, that's right.... he actualy HAS a continuing career and quietly does non-gloryseeking humanitarian work. GO Paul!

Posted by: Neil | Nov 24, 2007 3:22:18 PM

Like I care what either one of these tree-huggers thinks. Let them smash each other with granola bars for all I care.

Posted by: jon smith | Nov 24, 2007 3:19:45 PM

Oh snap. lol.
Kinda wack since Gore's interest in the environment goes back even before his days as Senator. If anything Redford could have knocked Gore's record as VP for not doing enough. Weird.

Posted by: anne | Nov 24, 2007 2:58:56 PM

I LOVE it when two of America's leading enviro-fanatics can't agree on the best way to turn the United States into a "Third World" country! If these two jokers were REALLY concerned about Planet Earth they would seriously discuss overpopulation, the REAL cause of ecological degradation.

Posted by: rmberryman | Nov 24, 2007 2:55:19 PM

Funny how Gore spends more each month on electricity than I spend on a mortgage for a family of 4! Actions speak louder than words even for a Nobel Prize winner.
-George E. Syracuse, NY

Posted by: George | Nov 24, 2007 2:41:26 PM

What's the difference who was first? They're both naive if they think that any change in the climate is being caused by man!

Posted by: dgfiit | Nov 24, 2007 2:40:32 PM

Oh, dear, it's a case of lions and lambs. I guess while Redford was on the front lines of the environmental crusade in 1969 Big Al was just hanging at Harvard modeling for Love Story. Of course, Redford was getting "smashed down" by BIG OIL. And I thought he was just a pretty face making airhead films with another airhead, Jane Fonda. Who knew his bravery, his fortitude? What a man! Thanks to Hollywood actors like Redford, manning the front lines all these years and struggling through who knows what hardships, I'm reassured--but can Brangie step in and fill his shoes? They may not be up to the sacrifice.

Posted by: Jas Murphy | Nov 24, 2007 2:32:51 PM

Was Al campaigning for the environment while he was making money off of coal mining on his property, or when his home was consuming more energy than any other single residence in TN? Is he excused from his own transgressions because of how loudly he is speaking out for environmental causes now? While I can see a bit of Redford's point, it seems that the true focus for both men is their own self-aggrandisement.

Posted by: Steve | Nov 24, 2007 2:27:00 PM

I think redford also needs to look at where the profits for 'An Inconvenient Truth' amongst other parts of Gore's work are going. He isn't making profit out of his environmental campaigning. If he is getting rich now, its through his work with Apple and the such like.

Overall I think Redford needs to do some research before he fires his mouth off again!