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Some above said that Mormons do not wear fig leaves in their wedding ceremonies, and asked when was the last time I attended one.

I last attended a Sealing in the Washington DC Temple in early 2003. (I was a Temple worker) And YES, Mormon DO wear Fig Leave Aprons in their wedding ceremonies--along with the other robes of the Priesthood. A devout LDS Mormon is also buried wearing that same fig leaf apron.

The fig leave apron is the first vestment of the Mormon Priesthood that a devout Mormon (Male or female) puts on when going through the LDS Endowment CCeremony.

I am shocked that an LDS Mormon would deny this--or is he?

My questions to him would be: HAVE YOU EVER BEEN INSIDE AN LDS TEMPLE?

Bob,

Took you all that time, and that's all you came up with? You have proved my points ENTIRELY. All you can do to answer my points, which were evidenced by scripture, is to make blanket statements you cannot reinforce. There is nothing to back up your claims that "there is no more scripture" and "only two testaments" besides the words your pastor told you. I, on the other hand, drew from the Bible to show that God has never insinuated he would stop speaking to man. In fact, if he did so he would be a changing God, and you and I both know he is not. Go back and read my post again - you gave the exact type of answer that I claimed you would give.

"Scripture is STILL being written."

Actually, it is not.

Nothing that God says today differs from what He has already given in the Word of God which is made up of Two Testaments -- th eOld and the New. There is no newer testament.

"The Book of Mormon is nothing more than it claims to be: another testament of Jesus Christ."

There is no other Gospel.

How many gods are there? Mormons say the God of the Bible is one in a long line of gods. They can't tell you who, where and when the first god arrived.

It seems that a lot of people here are assuming that [any of the many versions of] the Bible is, uh, "factually accurate". How come ?

Is there any intelligent candidate running for President? This guy is another clown. . .

Bob,

You made many, many arguments on this post that I disagree with.For the sake of time, I just want to address one that I found to be especially fallacious.

You said in essence that the Book of Mormon can't be scripture (I define scripture as I imagine you do, as the written text of God communicating with man). Your argument was that it would insinuate that God "missed" something in the old and new testament, and we both know that God doesn't make mistakes.

But where does God tell us that everything he has spoken is included in (take your pick of your favorite version) the Bible as we know it today? Even the Bible itself refutes such a statement. Amos teaches us that God will do NOTHING save he revealeth his secret to his servants, the prophets. Do you think every prophet's writings are included in the Bible? The Bible is the word of God, but you are being presumptious to claim it the "only" word of God. Remember: it was compiled from HUNDREDS of books - a group of men got together and decided which ones were "bible-worthy," and they made the final cut.

I agree that those men were certainly inspired, but that does not even come close to meaning that all of God's words are closed up in the Bible. If God is an unchanging God, the same yesterday, today, and forever, do you think he is no longer a God of miracles? Miracles died when the Bible was published? Do you think God suddenly stopped talking to Man? I don't. It's no wonder that the apostle Paul said "in the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established." (2 Cor. 13:1 I think). Just as Christ witnessed of his Father, and the Holy Ghost witnessed of them both in the hearts of those who hear the word of God, scripture reinforces scripture. The Book of Mormon is another witness that God lives and that the teachings in the Bible are true.

The Book of Mormon is simply a collection of the writings of prophets on another part of the hemisphere. Because they also spoke with God and recorded his words, they further witness that God lives, Christ is His son and our Savior, and that following Him is the only path to eternal happiness.

I don't claim that JUST the Book of Mormon has God's words, just as I don't claim JUST the Bible has his words. God never claimed it either. Please don't use the silly reference to Revelations to say otherwise (John saying that we should not add to or take away from his words). Clearly it would be a sin to change the words of any prophet's words, as they are speaking God's words. This obviously was not referring to the Bible, which was compiled centuries later. If this line was to mean "don't ever call anything after this book scripture," than you can cut everything out of the Bible from Deuteronomy 4 onward (where the same thing was said).

My point is this: Just because your sect of Christianity has determined on its own accord that God cannot or will not communicate with man anymore and that everything God ever said was to a small group of people in the Easter Hemisphere does not make your view the "correct" one. You are basing your argument on flawed logic- you are saying that "because my pastor told me that the Bible is all of God's words, and tradition in my religion says so too, then God must have also said so and everything else is blasphemy."

I, like millions of others, don't believe that the words of the prophets contained in the Bible ever insinuate that the books would later be compiled to be the end all to God's word. He lives, and he still cares about us. He still speaks to us. Scripture is STILL being written. The Book of Mormon is nothing more than it claims to be: another testament of Jesus Christ. Because it comes from the same source as the Bible (God's words to prophets on the earth), you will find no contradictions in the teachings found within it and the Bible. They both emanate from the only real source of truth: God.

As Paul said, if there is anything virtuous, lovely, praiseworthy, or of good report, I seek after those things. Things which testify of Christ fall into that category for me.

James Danley, to correct your misunderstanding: Saddam Hussein *did* comply with the 1991 ceasefire provisions eventually (admittedly at the "last minute", just a few days before the invasion). G. W. Bush invaded anyway. And Bush kicked out the weapons inspectors, too, in case you don't remember. The threats of invasion worked, Hussein backed down and conceded everything -- and then the invasion happened anyway.

um, rob lauer, I don't know when you last attended one, but Mormons don't wear fig leaves at their weddings, either in or out of the temple

Actually, the male equivolent of a "lady" is a "lord". Let's hope that if it comes to it, Slick Willy will be announced as "First Lord"!

Also, this whole post is stupid. He made a lame joke. NOT NEWS.

hey ! i've got a crazy idea.. how about if everyone believes in whatever jesus, sun god, or flying spaghetti monster that they want to but they keep it to themselves ? .. and wouldn't it be a great day when we have a presidential candidate to who can comment on the genus of the flora and fauna without dragging some superstitious tale into it ? do we REALLY want a president who believes some old man, sitting on a cloud, is taking care of everything for us ?! it's about time we all grew up.

The lady whose all upset about George Bush is on the same band wagon as those who allowed Sept. 11th to happen nutcases, irresponsible and careless.

"The idea that all good christians and mormons think sex is dirty", again is just wrong. How can a gift from god, such as our minds and bodies, ability to procreate and have families be cheap and dirty.

I feel sorry for people who have to post "hohoho" as their username, spineless.

I disagree with this story. This is nitpicking.

We've got far bigger issues to deal with. Like Congresses 13% approval rating.

All good Christians and Mormons believe the human body is dirty and filthy. Nudity can only mean sex. SEX! SEX!

And these people are in charge.

Looking thru all the posts below is very interesting, I commend you Jake.

For those who say this is not news, well your correct, but this is a blog not a Front page new item.

Get over it I know there are libs below that are acting like Republicans or religious, they are obvious, especially the one comparing it to Kerry's speech calling our troops dumb (I presume that is the one he is talking about).

Now as far as Religion and the Constitution, no where in the U.S. constitution does it say Freedom FROM Religion, It says and talking only about the Federal Congress, That congress shall pass no law representative of a religion, This whole separation of Church and state issue is a made up liberal lie.

Now as far as Adam and Eve, you are baptized for forgiveness of original sin!

Those who say the Iraq war is immoral, I guess find it moral for Governments to commit genocide, have sanctioned rape rooms and use chemical weapons!

The same people who say we should not be involved in Iraq because its a so called Civil War (which is stupid in it self, because they do not know what a civil war is then) had no issue with Clinton getting us involved in a true Civil War in Bosnia.

I have gotten to the point that libs are stupid or just plain ignorant. and thats giving the benefit of the doubt.

Oh by the way the devil wants you to forget he exists and forgo God, so he the devil can take over!

Terri Ann, there is nothing illegal about the war. If you are referring to just the War in Iraq, first of all Saddam Hussein shot missiles at several of our planes. At least one of those planes was in Kuwaiti airspace at the time. These attacks ALONE are justification for war. But after 12 years of the UN trying to force Saddam Hussein to comply with the conditions of the 1991 cease fire, it gave its final ultimatum. When it became clear that the UN did not have the will power to follow through on its final ultimatum, President Bush issued his own ultimatum. Since France and Germany had convinced Saddam Hussein that the United States would not invade, he chose not to comply. Unlike the UN, President Bush meant what he said and followed through on his ultimatum. The invasion by an international coalition, therefore, was legal on the grounds that Saddam Hussein refused to compy with the conditions of the original cease fire. We just resumed the original Gulf War.

Now if you are talking about the overall War on Terror, clearly we have the right to attack al Qaeda wherever they are. And since al Qaeda declared Iraq as their primary battlefield, we are more than willing to oblige them in battle in Iraq.

Now as for the war being "deeply immoral," if you adhere to the principle that all wars are immoral, then I will concede you that point. BUT if you allow even the tiniest loophole where a country has the right to defend or protect itself and its national interests, then the war is not only legal but quite moral.

Its early so I may get my doctrine less than perfect, but Adam and Even did not even know they were naked until they ate the forbidden fruit. Afterwards, they clothed themselves out of shame and God asked who told them they were naked. Romney's comment, that had they had bigger leaves they would have looked less promiscuous, must refer to how God saw them. Thus, to him nakedness equals promiscuity. This is the same theory behind islamists requiring their women to cover themselves completely.

"...we are all born without sin..." -- Posted by: saintlymark | Nov 11, 2007 9:59:32 AM

Where does the Word of God say this?

Actually, It says just the opposite.

However, God and I may have missed something.

Perhaps you can straighten us out.

"Just the type of article I've come to expect from anyone connected with ABC news." -- Posted by: daryl | Nov 11, 2007 10:01:01 AM

If you expect it, why do you continue to read them?

If somebody is twisting your arm, tell them I told you to tell them to stop it.

"god didn't create people. People created god." -- Posted by: Daniel H. Kroener | Nov 10, 2007 10:42:41 PM

God is the Creator of Mankind.

Men, however, rejecting God, made their cars and money and themselves gods.

"I'm pretty sure that Romney is not the only one of us who has used an unfortunate word or two to describe something. As much as these guys "campaign" they must constantly talk so it's no wonder they made mistakes. We wanted Mitt to lighten up. He tried it and it backfired. Give him and us a break. -- Posted by: frank | Nov 10, 2007 10:42:53 PM

This guy wants to be president. The presidency is the most powerful position on Earth. When he makes a mistake, he should be sufficiently criticized so that he doesn't make the mistake again. I don't see the Libs cutting Prez Bush any slack.

"'First Lady' seems more appropriate to me. Far more appropriate than, 'First Man' does. "

What's all this talk about, if Hil is prez, her husband will be "First Man," or "First Husband"?

She was First Lady. First among ladies. The opposite of "lady" is "gentleman."

Thus, her hubby would be "First Gentleman." First among gentlemen. I hope it will not be, but that's the case, if it happens.

"Clinton-Lewinsky embarassed us????? Nothing compared to the shame George Bush has brought to this country by waging an illegal and deeply immoral war."

What does a Liberal know about "Morality" all of a sudden? Libs saw nothing wrong with what Clinton did on our dime and time.

All of a sudden, they're experts on "Morality" when a Republican beat their pants off to get to the White House.

If it's illegal, sue him.

"Is there something in the Book of Mormon that might explain this?"

Short answer to your question: No

Long answer to your question: No

Clinton-Lewinsky embarassed us????? Nothing compared to the shame George Bush has brought to this country by waging an illegal and deeply immoral war.

Wow. I can't believe this is newsworthy. But here I am commenting so I guess I can't criticize. I think he just meant "big leaves = more modest", "little leaves = less modest." Like, bikini leaves vs. full swimsuit leaves. Or, "wow, these aren't very sexy leaves!" To try to make this out to be some sort of theological statement about Adam and Eve is obsurd. If you are reading this comment I think you should get off your computer and read a good book - or even a bad one.

So did Romney and his wife look promiscuous DURING THEIR WEDDING CEREMONY?

Because they both wore fig leaf aprons like those worn by Adam and Eve for their Temple marriage ceremony.

What in the hell is Mitt thinking?

In LDS Mormonism, the green fig leaf apron-- symbolic of the ones worn by Adam and Eve--is the central priestly vestment worn by the LDS Priesthood! Every worthy LDS Mormon, when he/she comes of age, goes through the Temple Endowment ceremony. One of the central aspects of this ordinance is the ceremonial "putting on" of the robes of the Priesthood--the FIRST being the green fig fleaf apron.

So important is the fig leaf apron that it is worn on one's wedding day (brides put it on over their white wedding gowns) AND a devout LDS Mormon is buried wearing it! Mitt puts on a figleaf apron whenever he goes to worship in an LDS Tenple!

So why the comments about the fig leaf aprons making Adam and Eve look promiscuous? That whole idea is completely foreign to Mormon theology.

Does he not understand Mormonism, or is he just trying to convince the Religious Right that he's "a real Christian" like one of them. (Dear God! Who'd want to be that?)

That's my guess for his silly, "what-in-the-devil-made-you-say-that" idiotic remark.

Or maybe Mitt's rejecting Mormon theology and embracing the anti-human pessimism of CALVINISM (which is the theology of the Fundamentalist/Evangelical Religious Right.)

"Then look at the ones who were under 6 foot tall. Madison, Harrison, Adams, Carter. Good presidents but not outstanding. "

WHAT?!!!!!

Do you mean THE Madison--as in, JAMES MAdison? !!!!!

Holy Cow! Read some history! Madison was "The Father of the Consitution!" He almost singleghandely arranged the COnstitution COnvention! It was Madison who fought a ten year political battle to have Jefferson's bill for Freedom of Religion passed into law! (thus making the Commonwealth of Virginia the first completely secular government in recorded history--several years BEFORE there is a US COnstitution.)

James Madison is probably the most underated but IMPORTANT of all the Founding Fathers. The man--more than any other single individual--gave shape to our Republic.

For God's sake do a bit more research before you start posting statements like that. The other FOunding Fathers who knew and worked with Madison are probablt spinning in their graves!

I went to hear Mitt Romney last night at a town hall meeting here in Laconia, NH. First time I actually met him. He was a distinguished looking man! Tall guy, slim, and a full head of hair. I told him that I once read that a natural born leader usually was “Tall” Slim” and had a full Head of Hair and that’s why I was voting for him. He cracked up! But it’s true, look at all our former successful presidents over 6 feet tall. Like. Washington, Lincoln, Kennedy, Regan, and a bunch more.Then look at the ones who were under 6 foot tall. Madison, Harrison, Adams, Carter. Good presidents but not outstanding. Anyway, Mitt was like meeting the guy next door. He stood there and shook my hand for 5 minutes, listen to my joke and laughed, and than answered my question. The question that I thought he would take a breath, and take a few minutes to answer, but took about 1 second to reply to. The Question…. Mr. Romney, If you would ask the American People to do something for their country above and beyond voting for you as President, what would you ask us to do?
He looked me in the eye and immediately said” I would ask you to back the troops and all those in harms way and who are serving this country. Good answer I thought. Figured I’d get one of those, “Well let’s see” That’s a tough question” Uh, I think I would ask, uh… You know, one of those answers. He also talked about how Washington used to be a government of common folk working for the people, but has become a bunch of politicians just filling positions and making speeches every now and than, and how he was going to change that. It’s true isn’t it? Seems like Washington has just become a place to park their A$$ and collect a big paycheck. Mitt say’s he’s always rolled up his sleeves and got the job done and that’s what he plans to do in Washington. And he mentioned something else that hit home. He mentioned how our children need to be taught again, “that having children before marriage isn’t the proper thing to do”.
That, “young people are suppose to first get married, and then have children. These day’s, under the Democrats and their “give away the store and then tax the people to restock” attitude, a single mother gets around $6000 a year in government benefits. That’s 6k of tax payers money for each and every un-married single parent requiring government help. Much more then married couples would need. Where is this country headed as a healthy community if we continue on that course? All I have to say is, Everything Mitt say’s sounds right to me and he has a high moral standard too. Some are saying negative things about him being a Mormon but who cares! Mormons don’t bother anyone. And ! We won’t have to worry about him having an affair on his wife, or having sex with young interns in the Whitehouse. That whole Clinton/Lewinsky thing embarrassed the crap out of us, didn’t it?
Seems like the democrats have trouble with keeping their eye’s off the other women, (history shows that) doesn’t it? Heck it’s gotten so bad, that now they even want to vote for a woman? Not that I have anything against woman. I just don’t want one as Mrs. President of the United States. “First Lady” seems more appropriate to me. Far more appropriate than, “First Man” does. Don’t you agree?

"isn't this day mandated as a day of rest by Jeebus or something?"

You don't understand what "rest" means, do you? It doesn't mean what YOU think it means.

" Aren't you afraid you'll be struck down by your loving god?"

Not at all, since He focuses His wrath on the disobedient.

"What the hell are you doing in your comfy home anyway, why aren't you fighting for christ and freedom in Eye-raq?"

Already served my country. I wish I could do more for the country -- the United Statges of America -- that has given me so much.

"If your belief that an old man and woman found a male and female of every species on the planet and put them on a boat to save them from the flood wasn't enough to prove how unbalanced you are..."

The Truth has that effect on me.

You wouldn't understand it cuz:

1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Hey Bob, isn't this day mandated as a day of rest by Jeebus or something? Aren't you afraid you'll be struck down by your loving god? If your belief that an old man and woman found a male and female of every species on the planet and put them on a boat to save them from the flood wasn't enough to prove how unbalanced you are, you incessant posting here is. What the hell are you doing in your comfy home anyway, why aren't you fighting for christ and freedom in Eye-raq?

bad dad humor. Definitely bad dad humor.

Romney also said, I think on MtP, a few months ago, that "we are all children of God."

Really???

We are all born with a sin nature, a nature corrupted by the disobedience of Adam and Eve. That's why we need to be born again.

However, if you're not born again, you remain separated from God. Whether you commit one more sin, or a thousand more sins a day, you're no more separated than when you committed one. Hell is your destination, and it'll be the same torment.

So, if we are all children of God, then God will treat the disobedient as he does the obedient, no? The one who doesn't murder will be treated well, and so will the unrepentant murderer, no?

It doesn't make sense, in Light of the Word Which says that God is a God of justice. His love will not preclude justice, discipline for the disobedient.

The fact is that only those who are truly born again are the children of God, and Romney is wrong again.

Roy tells us, "slutty (usually referring to a female prostitute)..."

Even in a day when there are those who claim to be homosexual?

"There used to be a day when a politician could make an offhand comment and the journalist had the integrity and common sense to just keep it to himself."

Soooo, did Romney say that his comment is background, or off the record? Or did he just open his mouth and say it?

If he just opened his mouth and said it within earshot of a reporter, it's fair to report it cuz Romney's so-called "faith" is the subject of controversy amongst a very powerful group of voters -- evangelicals.

If you're not an evangelical, you're not involved. However, don't try to preclude evangelicals from considering something so important to them. If it's not important to you, just go about your bidness and leave everybody alone.

"I am a Mormon American. We pay taxes. We obey the law. We support the constitution. We vote. We fight and die in the same battles as any of you for our country. We serve in government. We believe in the bill of rights...and ted (above) and so many others still say 'any one but a Mormon!!!!!!!!!!!'"

Is the Book of Mormon another testament, a newer one?

Did God forget something the Joseph Smith reminded Him to include, that God needed an adendum, a supplement to the Old and New Testaments?

Does a Mormon believe there is ONLY One God and that there is ONLY One Way to the Father, or does he contradict the Father in this?

"I've lived my life taking swipes from plenty of people for my beliefs. I've got no problem if you don't want to believe what I believe...but I have a major problem when you tell me that I am a sub-citizen because of my faith."

If you believe that God of the Bible isn't the One and Only God, I am to challenge you. We can't help it that you feel vulnerable.

"I am an American."

An American, yes, but one who thinks that the God of the Bible is wrong when He says that He is the Only God, that this God is only one of a long line of gods.

Was there ever a first One? The Mormon doesn't know.

"Imagine this planet without religion. Ahhh! Beautiful. Silly, silly humans with their god(s). I can only dream of what this species could accomplish without religion to mess it all up!"

How can religion stop you?? Just go and correct things. What's stopping you??

If the irreligious have all this power, they ought to be able to fix things u real fast. But no. What are they waiting for??

All you gotta do is look at the last century -- the most murderous one in history -- and VOILA! the godless did all the killing. The godless are the very ones who say that they don't need religion, and look what they did. They messed things up.

"Adam and Eve that sounds like a reasonable story to believe without any evidence. "

None that you'll believe, anyway.

And, here we thought that you were scientific, empirical and logical.

What kinda Science precludes evidence so it can get a preconceived result?

"The question I want to hear asked at a GOP debate is: If you were President and god spoke to you and said 'start armageddon, send the nuclear missles', would you obey?"

In any case, those who are truly born again won't be here when Armageddon starts.

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"The question I want to hear asked at a GOP debate is: If you were President and god spoke to you and said 'start armageddon, send the nuclear missles', would you obey?"

No, I wouldn't cuz the Word says that Armageddon won't start that way.

So, some voice telling me to start it would not be God's Voice.

To know that, one must know the Word, to know God's Voice before he can hope to recognize It.

Therefore, if a reporter posed that question to me, I would demonstrate my Knowledge of the Word and his ignorance of It by saying that a voice that tells me to do other than what the Word says is not God's Voice, that God must adhere to His Word for He doesn't change.

In one statement, Max says, "I am indeed the Devil."

Then, in another statement, he says, "Praise Jesus!"

The Devil cannot praise Jesus, even in jest. It would jeopardize his agenda.

Max Thrax says, "I am working hard to out-do Him in my evil deeds..."

Doesn't impact me. God demonstrated power and authority over the Devil [Matthew 4 and Luke 4], and He gave that power and authority to those who are truly born again.

Therefore, the Devil doesn't scare me cuz I got the Word.

"I am indeed the Devil. And as the Devil, god and I communicate from time to time and he told me to tell you to get up off your knees and out of that men's room stall...now!

As for me, I am working hard to out-do Him in my evil deeds..."

Read Revelation. There, you'll find out how it all turns out.

I don't wanna ruin it for you, but, to be brief, you're gonna be disappointed.

"The question I want to hear asked at a GOP debate is: If you were President and god spoke to you and said 'start armageddon, send the nuclear missles', would you obey?"

No, I wouldn't cuz the Word says that Armageddon won't start that way.

So, some voice telling me to start it would not be God's Voice.

To know that, one must know the Word, to know God's Voice before he can hope to recognize It.

Those who reject Jesus are the ones who listen to every voice that pops into their heads. They believe that, if a voice that sounds like theirs tells them to choose homosexuality, for instance, it's ok. Permissions for everything come from the sin nature, and, if you are not reborn in Christ, you are subject to the control of the sin nature, and that's why, for exammple, homosexuality seems natural cuz we were born with the corrupt nature of permissions, thanks to Adam and Eve. The sin nature is not dead in those who are born again, but we are dead to it.

Bob, you found me out...I am indeed the Devil. And as the Devil, god and I communicate from time to time and he told me to tell you to get up off your knees and out of that men's room stall...now!

As for me, I am working hard to out-do Him in my evil deeds but He set a high standard w/ the Inquistion, the Crusades, the genocide/forced conversion of the people of South and Central America, US slavery and Jim Crow. Praise Jesus!

"Why has journalism become so incredibly soft? Why are the “biggest” stories written about things that don’t even matter: religion, military service, stupid jokes, etc. "

If for no other reason than christianity has played such a damaging role in politics and foreign policy over the last 7 years, I think religion is important. I want to know if we're electing someone who hears voices in their heads. The question I want to hear asked at a GOP debate is: If you were President and god spoke to you and said 'start armageddon, send the nuclear missles', would you obey?

"The Word is a lie."

The Devil says that, too! Amazing!

"[Adam and Eve] had sexual relations and weren't married."

Actually, they were husband and wife -- whatever YOU wanna call it -- and the Word of God says that a man, as husband, and a woman, as his wife, are allowed to "know" each other.

Deb aks, "Where does the bible say that Adam & Eve were the only persons?"

It doesn't have to say that they are the "first persons." It's not necessary to use those words to get the idea across.

" Maybe the FIRST man and woman, but that doesn't mean that God didn't create other people after them."

Can "other people" be anything other than persons?

" Look at the story of creation where God said, 'Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let THEM rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air ...'isn't it possible that God created a multitude of people to populate the earth, and the bible only gives the account of 1 such man and woman?"

The Devil says gives men permission to think all kinds of wild ideas that are contrary to the Word of God.

The fact is that God made the spirits of Man -- male and female -- and programmed them to beget and populate the world. Then, He formed the man, and, out of him, the woman. He installed their spirits which He programmed earlier.

Then, they got busy.

This is too difficult for some people to understand, I guess.

"If you believe in the christian doctrine none of us would be here if Adam and Eve were't promiscuous."

Adam and Eve were married. Husband and wife. God told them to beget and populate the world. Thus, they couldn't have been promiscuous. Besides, there were no others with whom to be promiscuous.

Mormonism teaches that the present God is just One in a long line of gods.

However...

Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

So, there is ONLY One God and ONLY One Way.

So, do the Mormons know something God doesn't know?

"Delroy says, "Churches deceived the whole world, and are now responsible for teaching us Eve ate the 'Apple,' although this was never written in the Bible."

How does that, though, diminish the Word, the Manual for the spiritual journey through this wilderness? It doesn't. The GPS -- the God Positioning System -- still works perfectly, as advertised.

If a little thing like that destroys, or diminishes, somebody's faith, they fail to see the bigger picture God intends them to see.

NOLAGuy says, "I could give two craps about Romney's faith."

You probably mean that you COULDN'T give two craps...unless you really DO mean to say that you care, even a little.

NOLAGuy says, "As long as he doesn't try to cram it down my throat..."

You mean, like strap you in a chair? And do what??

NOLAGuy continues, "...or think he is better than I am because of his faith..."

How does what he thinks affect you??

If he thinks he's better than you, you can go on, can't you?

What do YOU care what he thinks?

God has already separated those who stand with Him from those who choose not to stand with Him. He separates the goats from the sheep. He will not treat the two alike. He knows the difference between obedience and disobedience, even if, today, too many don't.

"You very religous people quoting scripture and casting stones should be ashamed."

We're supposed to declare the Word and discern. You say we're not. Now, who we gonna believe: The Word, or you?

"The man has raised a good family has kept the faith between he and his wife."

"He" cannot be the object of a preposition. You want the word "him."

What "faith" did he keep? After all, Jesus says that He is the ONLY Way to the Father. Is Romney's "faith" another way??

We have the Old Testament and the New Testament. You sayin' that there's a newer testament in the Book of Mormon? What, God forgot something in the first two Testaments?

" There are many other ways to measure a man than what book he reads from."

Men have that habit, yes.

Churches deceived the whole world, and are now responsible for teaching us Eve ate the “Apple,” although this was never written in the Bible. Believing in lies about God caused Adam, Eve and all of us to become “naked” (unprotected), and exposed to death. Death entered into our world, because Eve ate (believed) the words of someone who lied to her about God; they called him “Satan”. Would you trust another liar to teach you about God? The story Garden of Eden is a parable that teaches us not to (eat) believe in forbidden words like the preachers who constantly lie to us about God.

saintlymark says, "[T]he point is we are all born without sin..."

Not true.

We are born with a sin nature, a corrupt nature, thanks to Adam and Eve. That's why we need to be born again.

Those who reject Jesus -- refuse to be born again -- remain controlled by the sin nature. They are doomed.

"...and that we are responsoble for our own sin," continues saintlymark.

If you are not born again, it doesn't matter how many times you sin cuz you are separated from God from the very first. That's why the Word of God says that you are guilty even if you violate one letter of the law, though you obey the rest.

The difference between those who reject Jesus and those who accept Him is that those who are not born again are guilty and those who are born again are not cuz those who are born again are saved by Grace, not by anything they can do, rather by what He did and their recognition of it.

non-story

With all the REAL reasons to dislike Romney (lets talk to our lawyers before we go to war???), this is pretty low key.

I want to know what you know about “Dad Humor” and when did you know it. Did someone break the bond and spill the secrets to the press? Has this little known virus infected our politicians and the press? Who else have you told? Be careful Jake. The last bastion of secrecy is the mathematical irritation formula and the handshake. If you let those secrets out you may be barred forever from participating. Do not set yourself up to miss one of the great joys of fatherhood.
“Customarily awful "Dad humor" Is an art form. Any candidate with even the slightest knack for really good “Dad Humor” has my vote, despite his underwear.

I do believe it would have been impossible for Adam and Eve to be "promiscuous" since they were the only two people on the planet. I think their relationship was monogamous by definition.

To the commenter who stated "To all the liberal bigots" out there.

That is FUNNY stuff. Romney was voted into the governors office in Massachusetts. You know, the LIBERAL Mass. that the so called conservatives love to attack.

I guess all those "liberal bigots" voted for a Mormon because they are bigoted, right?

Also, the Democrats Senate Majority Leader is Harry Reid, another Mormon.

But just two days ago, St. John McCain's mother attacked Romney's Mormonism.

So have many of the so-called values voters.

Look into your own heart.

-GSD

I could give two craps about Romney's faith. As long as he doesn't try to cram it down my throat or think he is better than I am because of his faith, I'm good. He made a joke, a curious joke but nothing more. As with the Kerry flap of a year or so ago, nothing to see here, move right along. I'm interested in issues & character. I will admit coming into the primary season Mitt Romney was the most attractive of the Republican candidates to me from an experience standpoint. His endless flipflops and twisting of positions to try and cater to the radical right have left me cold and probably lost my vote if he is the nominee. Romney has moved from being a steady, moderate voice to just another say-anything shrill talking head spouting crazy-speak in order to appeal to the vocal minority that determines who will represent the Republican party next fall. It's sad really. Bad, good or indefferent jokes aside, I don't find those thing offensive. Becoming the candidate of Bob Jones University & Hugh Hewitt, I do.

If you believe in the christian doctrine none of us would be here if Adam and Eve were't promiscuous. Fred Dobson called the mormon faith a plytheistic cult. It is not a cult, it is a form of mental illness. By the way, the word is spelled MORON, not mormon.

It is hard to blame a representatives from the self proclaimed liberal media (see a recently released study from Harvard University regarding the self proclaimed liberal beliefs of the professionals in the media), when they are just giving us what we clamor for. The frequent representation of Adam and Eve considered our first parents by Muslim, Jew, and Christian alike, with the tiny little fig leaves covering their private areas does seem a little immodest at best and promiscuous would also be accurate observation, but to change that word to slutty (usually referring to a female prostitute) sells to the masses who support the advertisers that give large sums of money to the media. We can’t blame Jake Tapper alone for putting words in Mr. Romneys mouth when American viewers obviously rush to read and view media much worse than this.

Please... This is what ABC News calls news? ABC News has been my home page for 3 years and that changed today.

Just the type of article I've come to expect from anyone connected with ABC news.

Just a bad joke I think! Exactly what point he was trying to get across is not certain. Maybe Mitt should try not to joke as much!

And actually Bob the knowledge was important. (Its called 'orginal sin' for a reason!) An interpretive reading of the scripture shows that we are all born naive, without knowledge and our search for answers is what leads us to sin in the first place, and the point is we are all born without sin and that we are responsoble for our own sin.

ALWAYS KNEW THAT ONE APPLE COULD NOT CAUSE THE TURMOIL THAT WE HAVE TODAY-

Well, Jake, you sure brought a lot of thumpers out of their caves.

You very religous people quoting scripture and casting stones should be ashamed. He was making a joke not every traffic light we see on a road is a sign from God. The man has raised a good family has kept the faith between he and his wife. There are many other ways to measure a man than what book he reads from.

To all the liberal bigots out there today. Mitt is running for Commander-in-Chief not Pastor-in-Chief. The folks in Michigan had no problem voting for Mitt's father three times for Governor in the 1960's. And the folks in Massachusetts had no issues electing Mitt in 2003. Liberals lets try to be more tolerable and focus on the "issues" that we Americans face today. Let's stop the hate and divide policy.