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Is It Sexist to Discuss Hillary’s Wrinkles?

December 19, 2007 10:30 AM

Prompted by an unflattering photo of the 61-year-old senator that appeared on Drudge, commentators are discussing not only how Sen. Hillary Clinton looks in that shot (you can view it HERE), but whether the discussion is sexist or appropriate at all.

Rush Limbaugh started much of this conversation, saying “Americans are addicted to physical perfection, thanks to Hollywood and thanks to television.  …There is this thing in this country that, as you age -- and this is particularly, you know, women are hardest hit on this, and particularly in Hollywood -- America loses interest in you, and we know this is true because we constantly hear from aging actresses, who lament that they can't get decent roles anymore, other than in supporting roles that will not lead to any direct impact, yay or nay, in the box office.”

Noting that “the presidency ages the occupants of that office rapidly," Limbaugh asked, "Will Americans want to watch a woman get older before their eyes on a daily basis?  And that woman, by the way, is not going to want to look like she's getting older, because it will impact poll numbers. It will impact perceptions.”

Maureen Dowd discussed this in her New York Times column today as well, calling it “Hillary’s latest hurdle: the Old Hag routine.”

Said Dowd: “When men want to put down a powerful woman in a sexist way, they will say she’s a hag or a nag or a witch or angry or hysterical…. some conservative pundits who disagree with a woman on matters of policy jump straight into an attack on the woman’s looks or personal life….

“Women are still scrutinized more critically on their looks, which seem to fluctuate more on camera, depending on lighting, bloating and wardrobe.”

On the CBS Early Show, Meg Oliver referred to this as a “question of sexism in politics.”

MSNBC’s David Shuster referred to “some rumblings that certainly the stuff on the Drudge Report and the stuff that Rush Limbaugh's been saying, is totally over the line, is sort of generating some sympathy” for Clinton.

On The View, Barbara Walters noted that “ there was a woman named Margaret Thatcher -- remember her? -- British prime minister? Came in at 53, left at 65.  Golda Meir? I mean, hardly a sex symbol -- took office at 71, left at 76, came back again, and then Indira Gandhi, how she took office at 48, left at 59, took office again at 62.”

Clinton in person looks loads better than that photograph, but Limbaugh's point seemed to me to be that this is a sexist culture that judges women more harshly on their looks as they age, and he wondered how that would impact Clinton's run. Honestly it hadn't occurred to me until now…

What do you think?

-- jpt

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If we ask ourselves whether we're ready for a woman president, we're not.
In other words, the fact that in 2008 we're even having a conversation about a political candidate's gender means we have not yet gone beyond gender as an issue. Because of this fact, we still hear incredulous statements like those of the stale, male, and pale Rush Limbaugh regarding a woman's wrinkles as criteria for voting. Sad, isn't it?

Posted by: K. Ruth Seaber | Feb 28, 2008 3:29:44 PM

Wow! All the men like Rush are desperate.Hiliary, a woman President,no way.They are stooping real low to try and stop her.A woman president is a threat to the male ego.They are afraid a woman president will show them up for all the stupidity some past presidents have been guilty of.Go for it, Hiliary,it's time for a woman to take charge!And I can't think of a woman who is more qualified.Candidates are asking for a change,so give it to them put Hiliary in the White House!

Posted by: Mrs.Curtis | Dec 21, 2007 11:47:32 AM

Of course, Rush would make such a ridiculous potshot at Hilary. What else can you expect from an idiot like that? Sad thing, is that in this case he probably is right. We live in a looks oriented society and there would be stupid people who would hold her age and perceived looks against her, but even if she were younger and considered beautiful, they'd STILL use it against her. Bottom line? There are still people who will NEVER be ready for anyone but a white middle aged man for President. Yeah, we've come a long way, but still have a long way to go, thank to Limbaugh and morons of that ilk!

Posted by: Sabrina | Dec 21, 2007 11:22:29 AM

What do I think? I think this entire discussion is a big fat waste of time. NEXT!

Posted by: tungsai | Dec 20, 2007 3:48:51 PM

It's a political election not a beauty contest. If it were, almost all of the candidates would have to withdraw. While we are on the subje ct of looks, why would people like Drudge and Limbaugh pass any comments at all. If ever their were two faces that were hard on the eyes its definiatlt those two.If americans are making important decisions based on looks, the its no wonder our government is down the toilet.

Posted by: Maurice Estevez | Dec 20, 2007 11:49:54 AM

Where do I even begin? Kathryn N, Hillary Clinton is no Mother Theresa, although that whole crazy "campaign to humanize Hillary" is now yielding these off-the-hook comparisons. How do you know if there is light or darkness on the "inside" of anyone? You gauge this how they treat others and carry themselves, right? How has Hillary and her campaign behaved of late? Like they are masters of the dark arts of politics. (Not too "beautifully" to be sure.) They also say that ugliness within will eventually make its way to the surface. Perhaps that's what's happening here. Makes sense...

Kathryn N said, "Beauty inside is difficult to hide. A very good friend also saw & said Mother Theresa was extraordinarily beautiful to EVERYONE when she came to NY, on and off camera, COVERED with wrinkles.


Posted by: RockyNRoll | Dec 20, 2007 2:19:53 AM

Backtrack:


Posted by: boomer | Dec 19, 2007 10:47:25 PM

Fred Sanford to Aunt Esther: "If beauty is only skin deep, then you'd better put your liver where yo face is."

Posted by: Justin Wisdom | Dec 19, 2007 7:31:25 PM

" The Hill" a congressional magazine runs a 50 Most Beautiful People on Capitol Hill story!!!!


Is that sexist? or agist?

Posted by: kalamere | Dec 19, 2007 6:38:03 PM

Kaj ought to findout what the truth of the statements are before going off on a raging tangent about sexism. What Limbaugh said is that our society rewards youth ie Paris Hilton et all.
his question was... When a society worships youth how are they going to deal with an aging woman? Our society honors men but not women as they age.

Posted by: Kalamere | Dec 19, 2007 5:44:33 PM

Well, you knew that was coming. But as long as we're on the subject:

- Not for nothing but if you want to talk wrinkles, Fred Thompson kind of looks like someone left him out in the sun too long.

- And why is John McCain carrying an acorn in his cheek? They don't even have winter in Arizona.

- I'm pretty sure I saw Mitt Romney modeling a suit in J.C. Penny and holding really still for a really long time.

- When Mike Huckabee's speaks, he spells out subliminal messages in Morse Code with his eyebrows.

- Rudy Giuliani reminds me of nothing so much a fat Count Chocula and when he smiles, he looks like he's wearing someone else's face. You can actually see the seam.

Should I do the other Democrats too, just for balance? Because I could.

Posted by: CalD | Dec 19, 2007 5:39:03 PM

Why is it permissible to mock President Bush for his speech and gait but not Hillary for her cackle and haggard looks?

Posted by: Mark | Dec 19, 2007 5:00:10 PM

What Limbaugh did is nothing but agenda-setting.

When a Clinton campaign aide goes on record about questions regarding Obama's past drug use, he gets clobbered.

But then Rush Limbaugh, a person who is a committed Hillary-hater, puts a very sexist item on the agenda with which he clearly intends to harm her -- and covers the poison pill in words of wonder about a part of America's culture so that it becomes easier to swallow.

And guess what? The Clinton campaign aide got clobbered and resigned, but here people are actually discussing the 'merit' of Limbaugh's argument!

Limbaugh is either very smart or y'all very stupid. You choose.

Posted by: Kaj | Dec 19, 2007 3:29:24 PM

"I was pleasantly surprised to see ABC not take Rush's point out of context"??

What are you talking about?? What Rush ACTUALLY said was that this attitude in America is "unfair". True, but "unfair"! He was saying that it's
"wrong and sad" that because Hollywood & Television that American's have become "so addicted to physical perfection" and then he wondered aloud how people like that are going to handle watching a woman (who might be our President at that time) aging before their eyes. He wasn't offering a criticism of Sen. Clinton, he was offering a criticism of "American Culture", and our addiction to trying to satisfy someone ELSE's idea of physical perfection, you dolts! His words have absolutely been "taken out of context"!

Posted by: NoSpin? | Dec 19, 2007 2:54:03 PM

That Rodham was never a good looking woman makes her physical decline less obvious than had she been a beauty but she would still have to spend considerable time with dermatologists, hairstylists and farriers to make her presentable as the American president.

The problem would be that, in an emergency, Rodham might have to appear on TV to address the nation and not have the time to 'get ready'. Seeing her as she gets out of bed in the morning would shock, even horrify the nation and could embolden our nation's enemies.

Posted by: Scott | Dec 19, 2007 2:29:07 PM

I experienced proof that a woman's looks does not
affect the public's admiration or love in the US. I lived in Chicago many years before moving here. Oprah had just moved to town and took over a talk show. I met her in person, and we had 2 lengthy conversations. She was not attractive on or off camera (this was before she had some work done on herself to look better). The fact is that Oprah became famous and loved by people of all races, creeds, religions, incomes, on and on while she was considered physically unattractive.

Beauty inside is difficult to hide. A very good friend also saw & said Mother Theresa was extraordinarily beautiful to EVERYONE when she came to NY, on and off camera, COVERED with wrinkles.

Posted by: Kathryn N | Dec 19, 2007 1:53:31 PM

Hillary Clinton has been to Iraq AND Afghanistan more than once, and visited Israel immediately after a string of bombings to show solidarity. In my lifetime a President of the United States has been assassinated, another one has been shot, and attempts have been made on the lives of two others. It's inherently dangerous to run for the office. The U.S. doesn't happen to be as dangerous as Pakistan, but what reason is there to suppose that Hillary Clinton's personal bravery is less than that of Benazir Bhutto? None, it seems to me.

Posted by: ducdebrabant | Dec 19, 2007 1:43:50 PM

People need to stop repeating as established fact that Kerry used Botox. He had visible wrinkles in every single picture I ever saw of him except one that Republicans kept emailing around, and that one looked to me like it had been airbrushed. I believe the whole thing was just a slanderous hoax. This Hillary picture may be one too, for that matter.

Posted by: ducdebrabant | Dec 19, 2007 1:39:35 PM

All America has watched Rush Limbaugh now for years, so bloated that it suppresses gender characteristics and makes him resemble a eunuch on the Manchu court. This is not the first time he's attacked a Clinton's looks, and it has nothing to do with aging. He's the one who showed a childhood picture of Chelsea Clinton and called her "the family dog." It really seems to me that his glass house is in danger of falling to the ground in shards. I've seen a million pictures and a million feet of film RECENTLY of Hillary Clinton, and in every bit of it she looks better than Rush. What's more, from the beginning to the end of the first Bush administration, not only did Barbara Bush look like an old shoe but the administration (and supporters like Limbaugh) sold that to America as a sign of her character and honesty and lack of personal vanity. What a hypocrite the man is. As for the Drudge Report, if Matt Drudge weren't vain about being balding, he'd take the hat off.

Posted by: ducdebrabant | Dec 19, 2007 1:36:06 PM

Had she left her face alone instead of botoxing, she wouldn't look like the mess she is. Remember Kerry. Same thing. It's not just women.

Posted by: erp | Dec 19, 2007 12:31:54 PM

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