Jesus and the Devil are Brothers?

Christ set his church upon the foundation on Prophets and apostles. Eph. 2:20 how many of your churches have that?? ya go read your bible and go learn something

I want to respond to the commentator who claimed that no Christian religion has ever allowed for discrimination against Blacks and Indians. I am a professor of early American history who is not remotely anti-Christian but most of my university survey class is about why Christians defended the destruction of Indian peoples and the enslavement of African peoples. It is not like Mormons have had a great track record in this regard (actually it is horrendous) but let's get our history correct.

Mormonism teaches that God, men, and angels are all of one species. They believe that their god was once a man on a distant planet and was exalted to godhood through obedience to the Mormon gospel. The Mormon god and his goddess wife produced billions of spirit children who come to tabernacle in physical bodies on earth. The first spirit child was Jesus. Another spirit child was Lucifer, who became the Devil. So, yes, they most certainly do teach that Jesus and Lucifer are brothers, and Romney certainly knows this, but is employing obfuscation regarding this non-Christian doctrine.
Christians believe that God was always God, from everlasting to everlasting, as do Jews and Muslims. Mormonism teaches that Mormons can be exalted to godhood someday by being obedient Mormons and rule over their own planets. I doubt Romney would admit that Mormons are "gods in embryo," as their Prophet, Hinckley, has called them, but this is the sad truth.

Mormonism may be a religion, it certainly is not Christian.

to bystander, you're right, people should investigate a religion before judging. I have family members who converted to Mormonism and I can tell you that they read the Bible, yes, but they themselves say that the Bible is full of mistakes. They have to say that because some of their philosophies go against essential principle Christian concepts. But I still believe that one can run the country well if they are a good leader and follow basic human ethics. Those God has installed in our conscience.

Hey Shawn | Dec 14, 2007 11:33:13 AM

Look up when the book of revelations was actually written. If you believe the Bible was written like a story with revelations being the last chapter in the book, you have a lot more to be concerned about than whether Mornons are Christian.

Maybe some of you need to invesitgate the LDS religion a little better, rather then make assumptions that are simply not true. You are simply bashing his religion because you do not understand it and it is different from your beliefs. You ask why Romney did'nt quote from the Book of Morman- Are you aware that the LDS religion also beleives and studies the Bible? More importantly are you aware of what Romney has accomplished outside of his religion? Has anyone really looked hard at that. I believe he chooses to focus on politics rather then his religion, unfortunately we can't say the same thing for Huckabee, Why is no one concerned with his right wing attitude? I was raised in Utah (No, I am not a Morman), and I have seen Romney in action at the Olympics. I believe he is very capable of doing the job, but unfortunately people are overlooking his capabilities due to his personal beliefs, In my opinion, that makes you all hypocrites.

Beyond Mitt and MIke's little contretemps, the broader issue here involves the media's queer reluctance to ever delve into the founding texts of these religions. We see the same aversion to basic research when Islam is involved. Why? After all, the allusion is either accurate or it is not. The discussion above suggests that it is accurate. Perhaps the journalists are simple too embarrassed to acknowledge the kinds of beliefs that the future "most powerful man in the world" might be keeping under his hat. My own reading of the the Book of Moroni and of all the contrived claptrap that goes with it (golden plates, transatlantic visitations etc.), is that no grown and educated adult could ever willingly associate himself with any of it. In terms of content, it sits a notch or two above the Koran; in terms of style, just below L Ron Hubbard's Dianetics.

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Mormons believe that God the Father is the father of all intelligent beings
be it angels, devils or humans, including satan and christ. So like it or not, we are all brothers and sisters
in that sense.

We grow up believing a certain way because our families and/or our countries do, but does anyone even bother to look into the history of mythology or the transition from pagan polytheism into monotheism. I mean really look into the common origins of all people and all faiths. Not to do so, is to take the whole concept of gods and religion completely out of context, isn’t it ? There were so many ancient ideas, philosophies and theologies (from India to Persia to Egypt to Greece) which came together around the time of Alexander the Great. Isn’t it completely obvious to anyone with even just a little bit of common sense what really happened ? (The hellenization of Judaism is documented, so why not Christianity and then Islam ?) You always hear about how one faith or god is better than another or one way or god is more “right” than another. What about the common threads in ALL myths and religions and what they mean to ALL people. To claim moral superiority is nothing more than cultural and geographical bias. To accept one doctrine which obviously has origin in others and to dismiss the others as nonsense, is in itself NONSENSE. It is impossible to label one work, faith or book as the undisputed truth or infallible word of god without admitting your own biases. The diversity of the world and all that live in it is OUR COLLECTIVE STRENGTH. If the Universe is INFINITE, why does man insist on giving it FINITE LIMITS ??? Because, not only is it easier for people to understand that way but it is also easier to control people that way as well. We believe because we’ve been conditioned to believe for 2000 years. Think outside the box: DON’T BE A SHEEP !!!

Madonna (that Kabbalahist herself) would agree: In the Kabbalah, there is a so-called "Tree of Life" (really the family of God). The 'first world' is the world of the Supernals, consisting of three 'sephiroth'(this is of course, the Triune God of Christianity, but Jews would never admit it, even though THEY 'invented' the Kabballah). Hidden beneath this world is a sephiroth called "Da'at" (from which the word 'death' can be derived). As Da'at was once in the world of the Supernals, so too was the Devil the first 'begotten son' (in effect, the 'brother' of Jesus in the spiritual world, NOT the physical world, in which Jesus had FOUR brothers). Da'at, AKA Lucifer, AKA the Devil, etc. refused to perform the Will of his Father ('God the Father'); doing so brought sin and death into this universe, etc., etc.

As for Mormonism, what is wrong with their religion is that they insist on having "another Testament of Jesus Christ"; the Book of Revelation clearly states that the Bible is a closed book after the final chapter of Revelation to which nothing can be added or subtracted (see Rev 22:18), thus their religion ipso facto is wrong. End of story.

Note, the name of the church is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It is NOT the Church of Latter Day Saints. You will not take Christ away from us!

Nadaspin,
There are religions that do not require a person who belongs to "suspend all reason and logic and disregard all that mankind has learned in the last 3,500 years" It isn't the religion, it is the extremists within religions that demand an " only my belief ".

Unitarian Universilists are known for having diverse beliefs and open discussions- fundamentalists often discount it as a religion, as is happening with Mormons. Extremists define religion as you did.

Reason and logic are present and healthy in many faiths.

The concept of a Saviour born of a Virgin to redeem humanity is hardly a concept unique to Christianity. Do Christians even bother to check into the other "MYTHS" which predate Christianity ? How is it that Christianity is "REAL" and ALL OF THE OTHERS ARE SILLY STORIES ? It's 2007 and it's time to stop thinking like they did 2000 - 3000 - 4000 (PLUS) years ago when all of these silly fables were invented. It's really PATHETIC !!!

"I'd rather have someone leading us that has faith, vs. someone that does not." ... I gotta disagree. I want someone in the White House that makes decisions based on logic and reasoning. We need someone who can change his/her view as new information is received. Huckabee basis his decisions on the faith that a mythical being will guide his judgment. It is the same irrational principal that all religions use to push their agenda and ascend to power because putting it in god's hands allows for little challenge or critical thinking. And if it's all in god's hands, no one gets held responsible when the decision turns out to be a bad decision. This is precisely how the Huckster released over a thousand criminals, despite being confronted with evidence that those criminals posed a danger to the public. Bush believed in his infallibility as if he were the instrument of his god. We know how intelligent that was.

"God has never condoned ignorant attacks on other religions" .... I have to ask what drugs you are on. Religion is a belief system that requires that a person suspend all reason and logic and disregard all that mankind has learned in the last 3,500 years. The scriptures were written by flat-earthers. These were people whose bicameral left and right brains thought that the 'voices' in their heads were the gods speaking to them. Your statement about what these mythical gods "condoned" is sheer lunacy. The next time you speak about god, substitute the name "Zeus." You will quickly see how irrational your statement is.

What a blog! Can we get along? I think we can. Round and round we go though. There's no proof people. Faith is faith. Personally, I'd rather have someone leading us that has faith, vs. someone that does not. Whether Romney, Huckabee, a woman, a minority, a mormon, whatever. I've read all sorts of funny stuff on this blog today that make me realize how very little progress we've made as a nation. What do the evangelicals propose? Burn all the Mormons at the stake? What do the Mormons propose? Baptize all non-Mormons? I'm a mormon, and my co-worker/good friend is an evangelical. We've had some great conversations. We've determined that we have so much more in common than not, and have determined that we'll always agree to disagree on various doctrinal points. But that shouldn't stop us from being good friends. We're friends. Do we have secret plans to convert one another? NO WAY! He's a great guy. I'm a good guy. We both love our country, love our families, and love our communities. We've got to stop tearing each other down. I've watched our country tear apart under "W's" administration. Let's find a leader this time that will bring us together. We're sounding no better than the Sunis and Kurds. Should we go on for another 200 years looking for differences, or similarities? What's to fear from a Mormon president? There's no sinister plot folks. Mormon people are good people. They try hard to live a religion that is damn near impossible to live. It's a tough road, but we try and live good lives. Does that make us better than others? NO WAY! Just live life the best you can. There are so many good teachings in every faith. The Lord told us to love one another. I think we're really disappointing Him.

okay, first of all you people who complain of being "attacked".....grow up. A criticism or questioning of religious practices is NOT an "attack". To claim so is an attempt to characterize yourself as a victim. If you are confident in your belief you would not be defensive. All religions should be scrutinized, else how does one discover the truth?
Secondly, the issue of the article is the substance of Huckabee's question. Bondo, about half way down these comments quoted some supposedly Mormon scripture. IF it is accurate it is the ONLY information in the media/new media that truly answers this issue. By my reading, that scripture indicates a belief of the Mormons that Jesus and Satan are in fact brothers. I'll look those passages up myself and do further research so I can satisfy myself of the correct answer. As to what that means in regard to the race.....not much on the substance in my opinion. But if Romney or the Mormon church was disenginiuos in their response that tells me something as well.

To those who like to spend their time tearing down Mormon beliefs: You're a small fringe minority. The majority of people in this country aren't ignorant like you where they have to resort to a pointless practice of religious bigotry. You may as well give it up. You would have an easier time holding out your arm to stop a Mack Truck going 80 miles p/hr. Have an open mind. You just might learn something.

The Church of Jesus Christs of Latter Day(Mormon)is helping many citizens of the world as it follows the teaching of Jesus Christ as he commanded us to do.We cannot only speak of him but also do as he teaches us everything we need to do to gain eternal life.When a well known lawyer by the name of Nicodemus ask the Savior how he would gain eternal life,the Lord answered 3"Jesus answered and said unto him,Verily,verily,I say unto thee,Except a man be born again,he cannot see the kingdom of God.4 Nicodemus saith unto him,How can a man be born when he is old?can he enter the second time into his mother's womb,and be born again?5 Jesus answered,Verily,verily,I say unto thee,Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit,he cannot enter into the kingddom of God.6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh;and that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit."As a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Later Day Saints I am proud of my church and my life and the lives of our families are blessed by believing in him and his restored gospel through the prophet Joseph Smith in whom the Lord reveal his will into the world.

just a seeker of truth and the world is fresh out. it's amazing there are just too many similarities between mythology and religion. call it a hobby in between brews and tokes: but i just don't think it's a coincidence (i think judaism, christianity and islam were copied from pre-existing mythology). THE GOOD TIMES start at 6pm and go until midnight or so: NO WORRIES ! (thanks for your concern)