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Give it up, Hillary. We good-ole-boys here in North Carolina weren't fooled one bit by those speeches you gave from the bed of a pickup truck. We aren't as gullible as you think. We know that people who raked in 100 million in eight years aren't the kind who drive around in pickups or have friends who do. As Lincoln put it: "You can't fool all of the people all of the time. So give it up. You and your de facto running mate, husband Bill, have run out of tricks.

Actually Mandela was released from Victor Verster prison near Paarl, rather than Pollsmoor, which is down past Constantia. The house he stayed in at Victor Verster is the model for his home at Qunu.

And I can't imagine Hillary Clinton being willing to give up her life for anything. Or Bill for that matter. They're like spoiled children in comparison to Mandela.

Bill Bradley has called on Clintons to release donor list to clinton Library. How this relates to S. Africa? Bill Clinton sold a pardon to Marc Rich. Rich fueled the aparthied gov of S. Africa in defiance of Antiapartheid Act, oil embargo, and international sanctions.

Nelson Mandela supports Barack Obama.

That is interesting. Let's say we gave Bill Clinton a mission to be faithful and true to one single person for the rest of his life. Would he pick Hill without thinking twice? Ooops too late, we already know the answer to that one-Monica, et al...

I am not American, but I just stumbled to this site and I am absolutely apalled and disgusted that Bill would sink so low to potray Hillary as tougher than Mandela. Its an insult to Mandela. The man spend 27 years in jail, with hard labour, left two little girls who grew into womahood in his absence. And during apartheid, jail was not easy, there was torture and endless tough interrogations. I cannot even begin to compare Hillary to Martin Luther King. I expected people to protest these statements. Hillary tougher than Mandela!! Gimme a break!! Americans please wake up, the Clintons feel they deserve to King and Queen of USA and will smear everyone in their path.

I respect Mandela and Rabin, for what they have contribute to the social. I dont think that i gonna vote for Mrs. Clinton just because her husband raise her above 2 those well-known names. However, as a husband, I will do the same as Mr. Clinton did, I will raise my wife above any hero I ever known of. The sacrifice of a lifetime is always a great contribute. Without the sacrifice of your women, either your wife or your mom, I don’t think you guy would be sitting here on this blog to sing about your bumpy politic knowledge.

FOLKS,CHANGE CAN NEVER COME FROM AN INSIDER AS I UNDERSTAND CHANGE IS THE KEY WORD IN THIS ELECTION..VOTE FOR OBAMA AND YOU WILL SEE THE REAL CHANGE,TALKING OF EXPERIENCE,THERE ARE MANY CANDIDATES THAT HAS IT MORE THAN CLINTON.BILL,YOU TRIED FOR YOUR COUNTRY AND THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE DURING YOUR TERM.NO MATTER WHAT,THERE IS STILL DIFFERENT B/W U & HILLARY...SAY THE TRUTH,YOU KNOW THE STUFF IN BARRACK OBAMA.

my vote is still out there... however america's best days' were the clinton days' bar none, finances were better! security was better! experience tells all!!!!!!!!

R frm MI

Nelson Mandela had the people behind him because of the Sharpeville massacre, not because he moved to NY where these was open Senate seat. She wouldn't go to prison without a housewarming party that included registering for $600.00 gravy boats. Gravy boats? Do the people making minimum wage get to register for gravy boats? No, so that is why some of them don't register to vote.

Hey, Genius--Hillary won in New Hampshire. So much for your insight.

Anyone who hates the Clintons simply doesn't see the bigger picture. During their terms, Americans had money in their pockets, more freedom (Republicans are responsible for Patriot Act, trying to ban women's and gay rights), and we had the respect of the world. They did alot for diplomatic relations, and if you ever travel overseas, you'll understand exactly what I mean.

That is the most self-serving ignorant comment I have ever heard. The audacity to compare his wife to someone who has done more for humanity than many people in the entire world. America needs to wake up and realize that they are not really concerned about the American people but pushing there own agenda. I am very surprised and disappointed and Bill Clinton. I thought he respected the civil rights movements more than that. Hillary would NEVER stay in jail for 27 years in order to further civil rights for others. She is a privileged white woman that probably never "suffered" a day in her life.

Jake, while your commentary may be correct on some level,it is not really helpful to anyone. I've known many women in my lifetime, who through the selfless giving to their children, husbands, and households, have exemplified tremendous courage, persistence, and resolve. I'm a man, an athlete, and a former Marine Reservist, yet I'm not uncomfortable with comparing the great sacrifices average women have made to the accomplishments of "great men." Like the Clintons or not, with all they have been through, she is person of great resolve. She seems to have done a great job with Chelsea as well, and if you have children, you should be able to appreciate that for what it is worth. There might be glory in war, but winning our everyday battles takes just as much courage.

God help us all if a woman becomes president! they think with emotion not logic! And she is a crook to boot! remember Whitwater folks??

I will caucus for Bill Richardson. The fact is he is the most experienced. Experienced at both state and federal levels. The others are one or two term senators or the wife of an elected official. By the way, I am a woman,registered Democrat, evangelical Christian who would vote for Huckabee if he wins the nomination.

Just which candidate shead tears while HE spoke of our fallen soldiers and then dared to compare his sons working towards HIS campagne as equal service for AMERICA? Was it a "GENDER-SLAYER" comment to say,"it took one MAN to get us into this and it will take one MAN to get us out" or am I being too sinsative? We need a president that has never made spiritual commitment to hold ANY country first....unless it be MY AMERICA! "Got it now people"? Who did you run to when you fell off your bike,skinned you knee? Who washed your wound and safely sealed it from further harm? Who drove to the store,shopped for your clothing,medications,cooked your meals,dressed you for school and listened to your needs,wants and desires? Who read you a story or tucked you safely to bed just to do it again in the morning? You were as dependant then as you are now.You need a strong government, always.You men,you know well the times that you ran to a woman to save you.Did she take over where your mother left off? Who prepared you to face today?Who is preparing your supper? Are there any single parent raised people out there? I'll spare you the obvious statistics.You women, drive to the store in the vehicle registered to you and purchase a cigar or cigarette or what ever you want,after all its your money.....AFTER ALL!!Now, think about what it would be like if you had never been graced with the freedom and liberty to do these things as though you were inferior mentally or something,go figure.Take the time to validate all that you have been told and take the time to find the "VERIFIABLE" shortcommings and deseption of "every candidate".Some will unroll with ease and some much harder.Surely one will come clean.Now,with earned and faught for privailage,equality and education,cast your vote.No matter who you are, take the time out of your busy days to become educated in the truth.I find it easier to verify truth when I search for the undesirable.A great process of ellimenation. So we must count on each other to do this with great focus. Im asking you to do this because I love our soil,our air,our water,our trees and my freedom to be.Give a hug away today. Sew A Good Seed; FOR TOMARROW.

Hillary is the right choice. She is the president we need.
She knows how to deal with tough choices. She kept Bill in place after cheating. Easy choice would have been to throw him out but she didn't. She knows her prioroties in life. She kept the family strong. Bill is forever grateful to her and now trully appreciates the inner bueaty of this woman who made a promise to him when she tied the knot and kept it through. She know what this country needs now and if given the opportunity she will revive the glory of the yesterday and once again unite the naiton from falling apart. She is a tough woman. She is the change we need. Changing different colors of pants everyday is not change. Put on a skirt and run. That's change!

To be honest, it is not as if Mandela had a choice to sit in jail for 27 years..! No option, he just had to sit. Does this make him tenacious? I don't think so! Rabin did not win the 6 day war, his brilliant General Moshe Dian did together with the best trained Tank Corps the world has ever seen... Hillary is a tough cookie. She will see this through. Bill is unfortunately right.

First Bill, for whom I have the utmost respect, comppares Hillary to mandela and rabin and just when you think you haven't heard the rest, Hillary totally minimizes the work of Martin Luther king (MLK) in the passing of the civil rights act.

Instead, she gives all the credit to LBJ, who, don't get me wrong, deserves credit. How can we forget that it was MLK who led the marches and strikes that resulted in the passage? It is this arrogance that we don't want in America. Enough, already, Hillary.

Yesterday's gone, yesterday's gone. We will not stop talking about tomorrow! That is Obama for us.

@Braintease

Thinking in response to your comment, the more it seems to me Obama wouldn't have the experience. Gordon Brown has got an awesome intellect, in addition to which he just spent ten years running the UK ecmonomy as Chancellor of the Exchequer. Believe me, since he took over from Blair, if it can go wrong for him it has. He seems to be getting a grip of it now, but he was in danger of getting swamped up until Christmas. If it happens to a man with immense experience of politics, leadership and delaing with pressure, I just think Obama would be doomed.

At this point I am not sure who I will vote for (leaning towards Edwards)-- But one thing is for sure--The Clintons are about to implode and tell us how stupid we are for not voting them back in--- I now remember their hypocrisy, and them treating us like children telling us how stupid we are--
Maybe it is time for us to tell them we are through-- Move on Mr. and Mrs Clinton-- You do not have the experience Hillary anymore than Obama that is-- Edwards and McCain have real experience.
Implosion begins at 10 p.m. tonight---

Hillary tougher than Jesus.

It's really amusing watching the Clinton Team (aka Bill and Hillary) implode. They don't know what it means to lose like this. They're used to the media and the crowds adoring them and believing every ball-faced lie they've told... and they've told some whoppers. Now, they're trying to figure out how to turn this thing around and nothing is working. You can actually see the desperation in their eyes and hear it in their voices. Of course Bill would take Hillary on his "final mission," and now we just wish he would.

Good-bye Clintons. Your corruption will never be forgotten... just go... fade away quietly and live out your years somewhere in private, doing whatever it is that you do when not on a platform spewing out lies and anger and hate for the Republicans. Just go.

Firstly,

Bill comparing his wife to Nelson Madela is as offensive as it is foolish.

@IanH:

We have someone in office that is "EXPERIENCED" now and he made JOKE out of this country. With that said people need to lay off the experience thing. OBAMA is the ONE!!!

I mean Senator Clinton was teh First Lady for 8 years and shes been Senator for a few years.. That isnt that much experience..

To me most importantly about OBAMA is that he was a COMMUNITY ORGANIZER which means he understands what is going on in the places that need the MOST CHANGE.. He is inspirational he is the man that will get people to participate in politics by calling Congress and things like that. He is the ANSWER to this Americas problems!!

Sen. Obama can be perfect for this job. He is young and he will change a corrumption system in United Nations. He will not support the presidents who caused genocide as Paul Kagame. He will stop supporting corrumption in International Criminal Court at Arusha in Tanzania. The justice will win. And he will encourage change and democracy everywhere. His light will not be swichted off.

its time for amerika to have a female leader.amerika should have a mother which have a heart for everyone.we all knew sen.hillary clinton.its time for amerikans to give the whithouse for a woman to run a government.

we all youth in phil.are supporting for that call,together wiht our relatives in amerika are already a residence.thank you

As a Brit watching from outside, I'd be wary of having Obama as Prime Minister simply because of lack of experience. Gordon Brown is having a nightmare over here having taken over from Blair, and there are NO more experienced or intelligent politicians than that guy anywhere in the world.

America needs a mother in Hillary. Let us vote for her!

Correction:

Mr Edwards Haircuts were $400.00 each
and two were paid for with campaign funds
and apparently repaid to the funds.

The rest stands

Peace

It's easy for Mr.Edwards to parade this unfortunate family and portray the loss of
their precious child as something he could have changed.
remember John Edwards 400 haircuts 9I think he was caught on 2) and that he has
a standard of living that allows it yet he
was nothing but a prostitute for the insurance companies , at their beck and call. And God only knows why he has his Dear Wife who is terminally ill out on the campaign trail and makes fun of
Senator Clinton for shedding a tear
this morning, does he do that when his wife has pain, I think he should recuse
himself from the election process and spend his wife's final time with her
and their family, he only cares about
John Edwards The Lying Lawyer
The King of Pain, a Obnoxious Scab

There should be a sign for this forum "KNEEJERKED REPUBLICANS IN SESSIONS, PUNCHING BELOW THE BELTS ARE IN PROGRESS!"

Bill, in all honesty Mandela is in a league of his own and comparing Hillary to him is greatly insulting

High praise but hollow. While I'm sure she runs the Clinton household with an iron fist, to put her in Mandela or Rabin's league for toughness is at best insulting. If she spent 27 days in a supermax I might be able to buy the comparison but everytime she's been tested by someone, she's caved. She caved to Bill, in the whole Monicagate era. She caved to Bush repeatedly in the Senate. She is now caving to change. Yeah, I see Mandela in that comparison.

I hope Bernie is right, all these Gen Y and GenXers, up and coming so called independants voting in these primaries it is scarier that they all jump on a bandwagon of popularity rather than vote on substance. What is the world coming it disgust me.

I just hope the big 22, where most independents can't vote that people wake up and don't vote like it is some kind of popularity contest in middle school, but a national election.

And bronx boy has probably got it right in order for the Republicans to win, Obama needs to trump Hillary, of Obama is a democratic canidate definately then the west and south will go Republican.

As I have said before Obama is a "Republican in democrates clothing" a political ploy. Oprah is a millionare and millionares afford a lot to lose by having a truly democratic president. When big business will have to take a step back. So who is self serving if anything it is Oprah and her political ploy.

What exactly did Obama ever do for Illinois?

America is going to be in trouble if this is our choice, and then we most likely will have a Republican and office again, for as far as I see it I would rather vote for Romney, McCain or Huckabee over Obama who lacks substance.

All he has right now is Oprah's people wwriting his sooo inspirational speeches, that pathetically move this brianwashed public of ours. It is pretty scary that is what it comes down to a man with empty promises and no laid out plans of change.

America is in trouble and needs to wake up from the fantasy it seems to be living. Maybe to much so call reality TV has got us where we are today. But unfortunately this is not a reality game show, for all of the american public is at stake.

Yeaaaahhhh, Hillary tougher than Mandela????? I'ld like to see her spend 27 years in a South African prison camp doing hard labor!! Where does Bill get his train of thought? Why doesn't he just go away? His legacy, presence and asinine comments only undermine any chance Hilary has.

Henry Shu was sent to 5 years in prison for illegal Democratic campaign lobbying; he is going to talk to reduce his sentence; he is going to admit to connections to the Hillary Clinton Campaign and that Hillary knew about "all" his going ons. That is why Hillary was crying, that is why Bill compared her to Mandela, because she is going to go to prison. Whre is the media on this?

Hillary is no status quo, it is Bill's record and experience. I wish I could get my husband's salary because of my experience with "living" with him. However, with Obama: where is the beef?

I think you mean he was in Pollsmoor till 1990, not 1980. Please correct this. Thanks.

I think you mean 1990. Please correct this. Thanks.

For those bringing up the drug use of Obama; get a clue. Bill Clinton has snorted more coke than 20 Obamas and people are on record saying so. He had mountains of the stuff back in the '80s.

Hillary deserves to spend ages in prison, Mandela didn't.

Nothing Bill says matters. We all know he'll say anything to get what he wants. It's really sad how the clinton lovers swoon for such utter BS.

Come on. Those tears aren't really for us. She's finally realized she is NOT going to be President. I bet the question was planted and this is another setup.

Amazingly vicious comments above by people who apparently neither completed elementary school nor learned how to spell. Maybe we should judge the candidates at their agenda as opposed to he said she said? A little humanity and sincerity in the White House would go a long way. I believe Hillary Clinton would make a great president and I will vote accordingly.

It now all makes sense. HRC knew that Bill was going to use this stupid "how tough she is" stunt, but after she cried, she realized how REALLY stupid it would be, so she called Bill on his cell phone to try to stop him. Thus the mid-speach phone call and the "I love you" from (only Hillary has my cell phone number) Bill. She was too late, and it is way past time for her to say goodby.

That seals it for me. I have now lost ALL respect for Bill and Hillary Clinton. They have no shame! They will do ANYTHING to win. His statements are totally disrespectful to Mandela and Rabin. I will NOT vote for her. She acts like a petulant brat who feels the world owes her something.

We don't need a woman President in the White House a bawling and a sqawling. Experience as what Hillary? First Lady for 8 years and a state senator for a few....is that it? No comparison between you and the good doctor who has been elected 10 times to the house of reps. He has forgot more than you will ever know. Hand her a hankie.

Ironside369, you said you would choose the doctor "with more experience!" Would that still be true if the doctor "with more experience" has a malpractice lawsuit or two and several complaints?

Enough. Enough of political dynasties and feckless lies. Enough of the Clintons.

Since when does it say you can't be emotional to be president of of the United States? I would rather have someone like Hillary for a President, who has experience in what our country has goen through. Obama, and the other canidates are gree! They don't have the expereince that Clinton has. I know if it were choosing between a doctor who had more experience or one who had less, I would be choosing the done with more experience!

Tougher than Obama, then why is she crying on the campaign trail? Can we imagine Lady Thatcher crying because she has an uphill battle against a formidable foe. This has been the problem for Senator Clinton, she is always trying to have it both ways. I'm tough and then she plays the gender card.
Can we imagine any other candidate doing that, he will get buried by the press.
As for being tougher than Mandela, i guess that if we listen to President Clinton, Mandela fought and won against apartheid with sometimes tears may be. Bill Clinton is just losing his mind...

Well GH very few people have paid attention to the election so far. Hardly anyone is aware of Mr. Obama's past drug use which questions his judgment and decison making ability. Being Oprah's prop will not get him elected. The hammer will come down on him eventually. Hillary is the Democrats best bet.

You just can't make this stuff up. I think Bill is beginning to lose his mind.

Sen. Clinton is just playing the gender card AGAIN. I know some will think this is a sexist comment, but I'm saying it anyway. Sen. Clinton quite likely orchestrated the tears. She is losing to Sen. Obama on charisma and message. Even her "experience" isn't working. And her trump card of personal destruction bombed. So now the only thing she has left is the sympathy vote.

Bill is talking about loyalty. He said,"you have to do it alone except I'll let you take one other person,' and I had to pick one person." He is saying Hillary is a loyal person. Unlike these so-called progressives who enjoy attacking a strong liberal woman who has fought so hard against the Radical Right for so long.

Well, she's pretty tough. Tougher than Obama, but obviously not as tough as Mandela.

Um, right Bill. Sure. She's mean, but I'm not sure she's really tough.

"Obama has a drug past which will destroy him. Posted by: Bryan | Jan 7, 2008 1:32:20 PM"

Our current President has a drug past to which he merely alluded. Obama has been totally up front about his, and wisely so. A great number of people in the Baby Boom and younger have at least some experience with drugs, and I think we're past the point where that's going to kill any candidacies, unless it's very extensive, current, or involves outright dealing or other related crimes. Not worried about this particular issue with Obama.

Yes, that's way overblown by Bill and thanks for posting it.

However, the 1967 War may not be the best example of Rabin's toughness. Rabin had a nervous breakdown just before that war due to the stress and was more or less sidelined. Read Oren's *Six Days of War* (and that's very much a PRO-Israeli book). Rabin had tougher hours than that, such as facing down the Israeli Right Wing as PM.

Like Mandela..Hillary needs to go to prison for 20 years and leave us alone. Hillary does look kinda like Mandela. Clintons go home. America has taken away the welcome mat.

Does Bill know that she startrd crying today ...saying its just so hard? I'm sure this is how Mandela handled his time in the prisons.

Faced it she is imploding...she can not take losing

And why would Bill Clinton have any reason to lie? Bill doesn't get it. He is trying to run Hillary's campaign because he knows that she can't. Sorry, Bill, but you are off message. In a word, you are not helping.

Tougher than Mandela? 20+ years in prison? Did we ever see Mandela choke up publicly about something "personal"?? Gimme a break, Bill

Obama has a drug past which will destroy him.

Word has it, the Media is pushing Barack for the nominee, so the south and Mid-west will go full 100% Republican. If Hillary wins, all that changes.

Your hatred of Hillary justifies her. Nobody is all-good, yet you give her no respect. There's hardly any good reason, just all this develish emotion. I see your adverse comments dripping with such emotion. Irrationality will lead you nowhere!
Vote for Hillary!

I do HOPE 48 OTHER states would make a SMARTER decision...... Right now, Democratic Voters are "ASSUMING" that If OBAMA wins the nomination, he will "definitely" win the WHITEHOUSE.... they are also "ASSUMING" that Polls that fair Obama better than Republican Candidate will NOT change within the next 10 months.... These kind of assumptions are the REASONS why the Party Keeps losing TERM after TERM.

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Tough? Actually, I'd agree, but not as tough as Mandela. Bill Clinton is grasping.

The thing that will really hurt them today is the contrast between this claim and the video of her crying today.

See the video of her crying on ABC. Links from Drudge Report. There is no crying in presidential politics. Perhaps there should be, but it reminded me of that former Colorado Senator who ran about 20 years ago. She cried

Hillary will win the presidency, trust me.

Bernie

He ought to know, he lives with her everyday. He can put up with it if he wants to, we don't. She should have stayed over in the residential part of the White House when the voters elected him President not having her nose stuck in the health care business. The voters elected Bill not Hillary in the 90's. She wanted the presidency when Bill was elected....they are so competitive of each other. They are nothing more than puppets who want to be somebody some day. They have had their glory, so go on home to New York.

Can we expect a comparison to Mother Teresa soon?

What a ridiculous comparison! So self-serving to choose an inspirational black leader, one that was truly a man of conscience, and willing to spend decades in prison for his beliefs, with Hillary Clinton, privileged to the core. Shameful! The Clintons have assured that this white, female middle-class Democrat will not vote for Hillary Clinton.

One can dislike Hillary's policies without disliking her. But is Bill now comparing himself to Winnie Mandela?

I am now completely convinced that Bill does NOT want Hillary to win. This may not be a conscious decision to tank her campaign, but deep in the back of his head his ego wouldn't be able to handle being second fiddle.

She would have to be after all he has put her through.

If Bill thinks Hillary is tougher than Mandela, can we lock her up for 27 years. Lets see how tough she is.

It is really amazing how much you people hate the Clintons. What, if anything, did they ever do to you? No, seriously. You have to come up with some concrete way in which one or both of them had a serious negative impact on your life (that's YOUR life, not some nameless, faceless person in Podunk, Missouri).

Tougher in what way? Certainly not when it comes to her ideals which both he and she blythely sold out when Bill was President. Not only is this analogy bogus but at a recent NH Q&A session, Hillary claimed she made peace in Norther Island. The hubris of this couple is appalling. Both Hillary and Bill just bombard everyone with a list of "I did this and I did that" legislation but she has no dream for this country, only dreams of her own accomplishments and prestige. If we are going to compare resumes and character, I would say that Richardson beats Hillary hands down.

I thought this was Ron Paul's platform?
Did Obama ask for permission to borrow it from Mr. Paul.

Barak Obama the chameleon of politics.

Tough is not what we need. We have beat enough square pegs through round holes. We need competent changes. We need a return to Constitutionality. We need to fix our own problems and stop playing the world's bully/policeman.

Who cares?

Give Bill a break. It's his wife. Of course he says that. And he probably believes it, which is charming, although a bit scary.

Hillary, maybe it's time to pull the southern accent out of the closet again! If nothing else, that was good for a laugh.

Tough is not what we need. We have beat enough square pegs through round holes. We need competent changes. We need a return to Constitutionality. We need to fix our own problems and stop playing the world's bully/policeman.

wow - you're not helping her campaign one bit, Bill. lost my vote

What a ridiculous comparison! So self-serving to choose an inspirational black leader, one that was truly a man of conscience, and willing to spend decades in prison for his beliefs, with Hillary Clinton, privileged to the core. Shameful! The Clintons have assured that this white, female middle-class Democrat will n