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Clinton: Illinois State Senate a Part-Time Job
January 11, 2008 8:58 AM
Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, takes on the experience of Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, in an interview with the Las Vegas Sun.
"He was a part-time state senator for a few years, and then he came to the Senate and immediately started running for president," she said. "And that's his prerogative. That's his right. But I think it is important to compare and contrast our records."
-- jpt
January 11, 2008 | Permalink | User Comments (35)
I'm sure that states senators everywhere appreciate her opinion that their job is a part time one, how many days has the senate been off this year....hmmm. Was Hills ever elected to a state senate, nope. She is in her second term and this some how makes her an expert on all levels of government? I think no.
Posted by: Louis | Jan 13, 2008 10:35:37 AM
Power corrupts and the Clintons have been in power too long, America needs a new, fresh start..America get informed!
Posted by: carmen | Jan 13, 2008 10:23:43 AM
It is an important part of our responsibility as voters to check references so we do not get conned! Hillary '08
Posted by: Steven B | Jan 13, 2008 3:41:21 AM
It baffles me to see this lady become so negative because she has lost the air of invincibility she once enjoyed in the Democratic party.
She has been nursing the ambition to be president and now some new kid off the block wants to challenge her! How insulting!
Hillary, step up the negative ads, show your true color and stop pretending you care about the masses of the people, it is despicable to have to compete with a "part time" senator for power, dont you see?
"America belongs to all of us in as much as the poor and colored know their place as second/third class citizens that can never aspire to the highest office in the land"? Or as they say, maybe thats the way politics works?
35 years of creating change led us to the misadventure called Iraq,took our eyes off the real target of the war on terror, made the world a less safe place to live,led us to a situation where workers across the land choose daily between providing food or health insurance coverage for their families, where it takes two full time jobs to stay afloat financially.
And woe unto the masses if there appears someone who talks about their plight and suggests any form of hope/palliative for the common man.
The establishment machine can not and will not allow such a thing to happen, keep them un-informed, lest they rebel against the status quo.
Posted by: Wale | Jan 13, 2008 12:04:29 AM
"he came to the Senate and immediately started running for president"
Hey the doesn't sound like Hillary herself?
I's say she started running for President before she even got elected to the Senate...
Hillarys ok but Obama ROCKS
Posted by: John S | Jan 12, 2008 6:48:49 PM
I've been reading a lot of sites and the Clinton Machine is in full attack and smear mode. The pattern of coded racist language from her campaign and surrogates has gone unaddress by most in the media except for a few exceptions, Tapper being one. As best I can tell Obama is getting in from every angle possible. Unfortunately for Obama if he addresses it he will be seen as playing the race card and most of America hasn't had enough experiences to recognize the coded messages. Obama is being attacked and Hillary is offended. Trust me, that is going to resonate with a significant amount of white voters and they will flock to support her. Once again she will play the victim all the way to the White House. It makes me sick!
Posted by: RealB.G. | Jan 11, 2008 10:03:32 PM
Obama was paid full time, but only did less than a part time job. Anyone works for me like him would be fired, no matter how good a talker he is.
Posted by: JL | Jan 11, 2008 8:54:33 PM
Louis, you are right about Hsu, and by the way he also donated money to Obama; but Hsu and Hillary were not "close pals" for 15 years or next door neighbors.
To much for change, Obama and Hillary are fighting for go the money from the same rich people, wall street donors and same corporations. Will Street has giving Hillary the most money for her campaign followed very closely by Obama in second place. Obama portfolio of donors includes also pharmaceutical companies, oil companies, utility services monopolies. Now my question is, can either one of them Hillary or Obama really bring any change? Do you really believe thos companies or groups give you money to get nothing in return? That sounds like a dream! Talk is cheap!
Posted by: Pat | Jan 11, 2008 3:15:45 PM
sounds like she's ticked that the union supports Obama. Nice shot with the dirty tricks, as for friends and supporters who have been indicted, how about Hsu, who was indicted prior to supporting Hills, and she was still happy to take his money.
I don't agree with everything obama says, but I agree with more of the things he stands for than hills.
Posted by: Louis | Jan 11, 2008 3:02:15 PM
betty - This has nothing to do with him being half black this has to do with his history, ethics and experience and he has none of all three!! Sharpton has more ethics then Obama.
Now if Colin Powell ran, Condi well they have the experience and ethics!
Peace you really think Obama will bring Peace, did Bill, Did Carter? Did JFK? Did FDR? NOPE The latter two brought a draft! the First two put us into the predictament we are in today!
Dems do not bring true peace they bring a fantasy fairy tale!
The only way you get peace is through Strength!!
We were attacked because Bin Laden thought we did not have the stomach to fight!! since we backed away so many times under Clinton and Carter!
Hussein thought we did not have the stomach and continued his breaking of the resolutions and peace treaty.
Note: If Clinton supported the Kurds in 95 we would not be in Iraq now.
Posted by: spock | Jan 11, 2008 2:42:08 PM
No wonder he supports Obama. Reminds me of Jimmy Carter getting his Nuke advice from little Amy.
Posted by: geevill | Jan 11, 2008 2:07:49 PM
The Feds already indicted Rezko, his trial is schedule for this Feb 25. It's going to be a big spectacle in Chicago and Illinois because he was the fixer for many big political guys in Illinois and Chicago. Ah and a very close pal of Obama for 15 years even tho Obama have changed his story on how long and deep was his friendship. Fitzgerald is a tough guy and the political machine in Illinois is not very happy about it
Posted by: KellynChgo | Jan 11, 2008 1:57:39 PM
Obama is running on being the righteous candidate (Mr. Fresh, Clean and No Baggage). But his long term relationship with Rezko, who’s to be indicted around January or February, as well as other things one can dig up, show that he is just the normal politician. Let’s not be naïve, but do research on Obama. He isn’t RIGHTEOUS!
Posted by: PC | Jan 11, 2008 1:40:58 PM
OK Libs for the last time, Do you have a mental issue, one the war is just, we were attacked! Secondly can you ever have a dicussion even in your own Socialist party without Bringing up Pres. Bush.
Note To Libs - Keep Running against Pres. Bush!!
Posted by: spock | Jan 11, 2008 1:25:12 PM
are you serious - First what Canadian Troops are in Iraq? And why dont you get along with us, it is not us get along with you!! Oh yes and Kyoto is a Liberal agenda not Pres Bush! Oh by the way I guess your one of those Global warming nutjobs that bow at the alter of Gore! A little fact for you the warming of the earth is a natural occurrence just like when it was cooling in the 70S. What should we do on the other planets that are warming!!
This goes for both sides - Bringing up your opponents shortfalls is not mudslinging or dirty politics Hilary has every right to bring that up about Obama because it is true! Dirty Politics is when you bring up lies like the Dems did in 2000 and 2004 using CBS!!
At least Hilary is answering questions, why is Obama not, well maybe he is he wants to take our change out of our pockets!!
Posted by: spock | Jan 11, 2008 1:22:26 PM
I don't see how Hillary has that much more experience than Obama. She was a first lady to a governor and a president. Does anyone think she got the chance to be senator on her own or it was her husband's pull that got her a chance at the nomination? As for experience mattering, why did she vote for the disatrous Iraq resolution if experience is what matter? My 9 year old daughter watched Colin Powell's address to the United Nations and thought the evidence of wmd in Iraq was 'made-up and fake looking.' And my daughter has no political experience. And recently Hillary Clinton voted for the Iran resolution. How much common sense does that imply, if the same administration that talked us into an incredibly unnecessary war with trumped up information is trying to do it again and you vote for it? She did it to appear tough on terror, a purely political self-centered way of voting, instead of thinking of the risk she would put our country and military in, by giving this adminstration the power to go to an unjust pre-emptive war again. Our family is livid about her vote.
What is most important in a presidential candidate is intelligence, common sense and the courage to stand up for what is right. That is the type of leader I see in Obama. He saw through the b.s. of the Bush administration and voted no on the Iraq resolution. He has workable solutions to problems and has proven he can work in a bi-partisan fashion. But best of all he can see, as my daughter said, when the emperor isn't wearing any clothes.
Posted by: Kevin | Jan 11, 2008 1:19:08 PM
I don't see how Obama can claim that he represents all the people. Who are his biggest supporters here in Illinois? big corporations like Exelon (utility corporation)one of the big polluters in lake Michigan, Obama was very "nice" with then and was silent during the last energy rates discussion, he was busier running from President instead of fighting for the people of Illinois against those corporations. Unfortunately for us or the people that believe he can bring change, they should take a look to what he has done in Illinois, people that supported him like the Daleys in Chicago. Doesn't surprise me Kerrey support since Daley's brother was one of directors of Kerry's campaign for President and he is currently helping Obama Presidential run. The same oiled machine that have been in power in Chicago for almost 40 years between Daleys alone! The same machine that the Feds are investigating for corruption and abuse of power, vote fraud, etc. Those are the people supporting Obama, ah and Axelrod is the strategist of Major Daley reelection campaign. It's all in the family! Now thats a good judgment from Obama or just political calculation, ambition or audacity? or all of then? Obama was practically unknown in Illinois are a Democratic leader, not until that machine took notice of Obama in 2004 and extended its open arms to embrace him, was when Obama became this huge phenomenon for change, transparency and opportunity for ALL. Thats laughable! it would be very dangerous for our country to allow the same machine to get away with that and use Obama as the Trojan horse to achieve their purpose!!!
Posted by: Nancy from Springfield, IL | Jan 11, 2008 1:00:44 PM
I am a Canadian citizen and I am not going to vote but I would just like to see who is going to serve your country to see who is going to be our allie in many important questions like the War in Irak where our soldiers are dying for a country that had a dark and very barbaric motif and the environmental question like Kyoto...Shame on the Americans for electing Bush...and shame on the fact that it had to take Bush to wake up the Americans on what they want as a leader in change!!
Posted by: are you serious?? | Jan 11, 2008 12:48:04 PM
Breathtaking. Hillary should try challenging Obama on vision, integrity and ideas by offering her own. By attacking him like this, she's attacking the very democrats who are inspired by him. If she succeeds in tearing him apart like this and wins the nomination, she will also succeed in driving this Democrat to vote Republican.
Posted by: RAGII | Jan 11, 2008 12:38:21 PM
I find it interesting and quite telling that Obama supporters can only criticize Clinton without explaining why he should be president.
Posted by: Geevill | Jan 11, 2008 12:19:00 PM
A strong case is building against Obama for the fundamental contradictions of his campaign!
For one thing, he runs on his "freshness" and "lack of baggage," and certain people, even in his home state of Illinois don't like him and know he's curropt. (I've heard at least four people of Illinois post adverse comments toward Obama, his curroption, etc.) Then there's of course his long-term friendship with Rezko - very telling! (The man under FBI investigation who will be indicted for curroption charges probably later in January or February). Obama didn't vote to enter Iraq, as he didn't vote for many things while in the senate. Then he voted for funding the war. Then later, said that he and Bush's views were just about the same. Moreover, Obama says he's for the common person, then how come most of his supporters in New Hampshire and all in Iowa were elites?
The statistics are: The majority of Hillary's voters were the non-elites, and the blue-collar workers. And just about all Iowans are well off. Statistics show Hillary won THROUGH the non-rich, and non-elites. Obama's campaign is being dishonest AGAIN in implying he represents the common American. Besides the elites, there are the rest of us. Hillary WON here. These facts are in news reports, analyses of how she won New Hampshire, pictures of Obama's crowds of supporters and other places. Then Obama’s fundamental contradiction which perhaps sums it all up is: “The freest of all passes to Obama is the general neglect of the obvious central contradiction of his candidacy -- the bipartisan uniter who would bring us together by transcending ideology is at every turn on every policy an unwavering, down-the-line, unreconstructed, uninteresting, liberal Democrat(!)
He doesn't even offer a modest deviation from orthodoxy. When the Gang of 14, seven Republican and seven Democratic senators, agreed to restore order and a modicum of bipartisanship to the judicial selection process, Obama refused to join lest he anger the liberal base.
Special interests? Obama is a champion of the Davis-Bacon Act, an egregious gift to Big Labor that makes every federal public-works project MORE COSTLY [put in caps]. He not only vows to defend it, but proposes extending it to artificially raise wages for any guest worker program … ” - Charles Krauthammer
Posted by: PC | Jan 11, 2008 12:14:08 PM
hillary and bill will do anything to get back in the white house--what did bill do as president? where was he on enron, osama and losing the house to republicans--
Posted by: william | Jan 11, 2008 12:10:25 PM
I don't see how Hillary has that much more experience than Obama. She was a first lady to a governor and a president. Does anyone think she got the chance to be senator on her own or it was her husband's pull that got her a chance at the nomination? As for experience mattering, why did she vote for the disatrous Iraq resolution if experience is what matter? My 9 year old daughter watched Colin Powell's address to the United Nations and thought the evidence of wmd in Iraq was 'made-up and fake looking.' And my daughter has no political experience. And recently Hillary Clinton voted for the Iran resolution. How much common sense does that imply, if the same administration that talked us into an incredibly unnecessary war with trumped up information is trying to do it again and you vote for it? She did it to appear tough on terror, a purely political self-centered way of voting, instead of thinking of the risk she would put our country and military in, by giving this adminstration the power to go to an unjust pre-emptive war again. Our family is livid about her vote.
What is most important in a presidential candidate is intelligence, common sense and the courage to stand up for what is right. That is the type of leader I see in Obama. He saw through the b.s. of the Bush administration and voted no on the Iraq resolution. He has workable solutions to problems and has proven he can work in a bi-partisan fashion. But best of all he can see, as my daughter said, when the emperor isn't wearing any clothes.
Posted by: Lydia | Jan 11, 2008 11:58:14 AM
Well Obama found the career he can easily excel by deceiving people with big words and charisma. POLITICS at the NATIONAL LEVEL. The fact is that prior to the spotlight during the convention in 2004 that really launched his political career to a different level, prior to that Obama was just another state politician, never had a leadership position in the State or very strong following, even during his campaign to the US Senate he was new to many of us in Illinois even tho by then he had already been many years as State Senator. At the University of Chicago, well I graduated from Law school before I went to Harvard too, and at the U of Chicago, he was never one of the top lecturer guest professors (because Obama never has been a full time Professor at the University of Chicago) as far as I recall, and about community service in Chicago, well he was always overshadowed by Jesse Jackson. So Obama like many other thousands of professionals in this country can have a very nice resume "in paper" but that doesn't mean all of us are prepared to be the President of the United States. You need a good combination of education, personal skill, leadership and knowledge. Now you can try to hype the experience or achievements but you can't cover the facts and those facts show he never was the real leader in the State, U of Chicago or in the city of Chicago prior to 2004 and since, well all he has done is running for the Presidency.
Take way from him all the millions of dollars Obama is getting that allow him to market his campaign, buy media, and apparatus, advertise and hype his credential, take away the biased media coverage of his campaign, bring a real scrutiny to his campaign like is done to every other politician, and take away the big powers and people supporting him or using him to keep holding onto that power and he will be just another politician trying to be President. Tho his strategist are doing a GREAT job by introducing him to the country; the sad part if they are misleading us all because thats not the real Obama; but Obama ambitious are bigger than his fears and he probably believe in his head that he is the best qualified or that he is the ONLY one to save this country at this moment or the ONLY want to make a change.What kind of change he is talking about? Bringing people together...sure you can setup meetings in community areas, businesses and the politicians know a lot about it too; but where is the agenda, what are the real goals, who are going to lead those efforts, when? at what cost? We need to know.
So far I don't buy into the media frenzy and all this hype. I'll wait and see.
Posted by: MaryChgo | Jan 11, 2008 11:23:38 AM
Hillary Clinton's
For 34 - 35 years the only thing Hillary
Clinton done was putting up with Slick Bill Clinton womanizing ways and his corruption through out their marriage.
Hillary Clinton should be tired of the spot light by now and be ashamed.
Posted by: Boyddollar | Jan 11, 2008 10:46:50 AM
Illinois Indy I know exactly what you mean. Maryland had its own corrupt administration of former Governor Robert Ehrlich. Google Joseph Steffen.
Posted by: Bryan Shuy | Jan 11, 2008 10:39:05 AM
Spock,
There will be a Democrat nominee. Better Hillary than Obama.
Posted by: Kirk | Jan 11, 2008 10:34:53 AM
Wait until Feb 25 when all the dirt on Obama is going to start coming out when the trail of his fund riser Rezko get to the front pages. The Feds and Fitzgerald will he hard on anyone that was associated with this guy including the Illinois Governor and Obama. Obama career has been that play the nice guys be nice with all the BIG boys, not to antagonize them and serve all their purposes. Thats the kinda of change he will bring to D.C. He is good at negotiating; but not for the people of Illinois never was and much less will be for the entire country.
As a resident of Illinois I have long been disgusted with the "under the table" corruption that runs RAMPANT here. What disgusts me even more is that when blatant evidence is exposed, the accused individual always finds a way to "make it go away". Chicago Mayor Daley is the chief source of most of the corruption in the state ("Operation Silver Shovel", etc.), but somehow he's always able to walk away with his hands clean. Oh, by the way, he's a big Obama supporter. Also, Illinois House Speaker Mike Madigan (and current Illinois Democratic Party Chairman) was under investigation by the Feds. No problem. He and the Illinois Democratic Machine got Madigan's daughter elected Attorney General of Illinois. Gee, what ever happened to that investigation...........As far as the Rezko case, Obama is not the only one having a connection to Rezko. Rezko was a fundraiser and close friend of the current governor of Illinois, Rod Blagojevich - a governor who is also being investigated by the Feds for his own corrupt practices. (Ironically, Blagojevich came to power by vowing to clean up the corruption created by Republican Governor George Ryan.)Those of you who still aren't convinced that Barack Obama is yet another cog in the Illinois corruption machine should look up the Todd Stroger Cook County Board election scandal. Barack Obama unabashedly threw his full support to Todd Stroger despite the dubious way Stroger even got to become a cadidate. Why would Obama even endorse such shennanigans? I don't have enough time to go into this one, but trust me, it's a beauty. Look it up!Whether Obama himself is corrupt is yet to be determined, but his associations do cause alarm. Are these the same associations that would follow him to the White House? Obama is not "squeeky clean". We in Illinois know better.I will close by saying that I am not a Republican. I am not a Democrat. I have been forced into cynical independency from Illinois polititians that continue to disappoint.
Posted by: Illinois Indy | Jan 11, 2008 10:20:57 AM
Hillary Clinton's antics!
Do we need a cry baby for President?
Posted by: Boyddollar | Jan 11, 2008 10:14:45 AM
It is basically a part time job. Many of the members of the illinois general assembly work other full time jobs. They are attorneys, police officers, pastors, assistant principals of a catholic high school, etc. I believe that Sen. Obama in fact was a professor of law at the University of Chicago while he was a State Senator in Illinois. Please check your facts before you start your rants.
Posted by: Silvia | Jan 11, 2008 10:00:19 AM
by the way Obama I hate to say it and it seem unbelievable but he has more scandals then Hilary (You can not blame Hilary for Bills Scandals, she has enough on her own)
So it showing that Libs do not care about scandals and corruption because everyone of their candidates has major scandal, lies so much that if they were Pinocchio there nose wold touch Pluto!
A regular politician nose usually only touches the moon :)
the dems in congress are pushing thru trillions of dollars in ear marks without even voting!! So what are they doing for minorities? What have they done for education, they keep promising but do nothing - Did you ever think that they do not want to solve it because if they did there would be less Libs?
Posted by: spock | Jan 11, 2008 9:46:07 AM
To the best of this Illinois native's knowledge, the position of state senator in the Illinois legislature is a full-time position, not a "part-time" one as Sen. Clinton incorrectly asserts. But I guess this misstatement isn't too surprising, given her "over 35 years" of "working for change." Hyperbole, thy name is Clinton!
Posted by: chuck | Jan 11, 2008 9:42:12 AM
ROB - You need to investigate Obama a little more, he went to the same law school as Hilary, same marxist professor and so forth. He was recruited and paid for by lobbyist and corporations to convince the Blacks to vote Democratic.
What has he done for Illionis? But then again what has Hilary done for NY?
The Libs do not do anything but cry!!
Posted by: spock | Jan 11, 2008 9:41:01 AM
Foot in mouth ALERT!!! I think what he did as a community organizer, activist, and 'part-time' state senator carries more weight than being a corporate lawyer and "experience" by osmosis as a 'part-time' wife so concerned about her own ambition and misandry, her husband had to go elsewhere. Hillary and Bill's lack of restraint and arrogance will cost them. We are tired of Clinton scandals and dysfunction. That's their REAL experience.
Posted by: ROB | Jan 11, 2008 9:23:51 AM
Hillary Clinton should please release her records that everyone has been demanding since 2005. What is she hidding from? If she claims her experience of 35 years is based on her activities during her position as First Lady of Arkansas and the United States, then she should release her record so that voters can examine her "experience" claim. It is a shame that Judicial Watch had to sue for her record to be released. Shame on her!
Posted by: Sam Lobey | Jan 11, 2008 9:19:42 AM
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