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Hillary's Debate Moment
January 05, 2008 9:53 PM
It won't come across on the transcript, but Sen. Hillary Clinton got angry during the debate tonight.
She was bickering with Sen. Barack Obama about their differences on health insurance, and whether Obama's plan leaves millions of Americans uninsured.
And then she … well … she got angry.
Frankly, I don't even really understand what she was saying. What I was getting was how angry she is. Not about an issue, so much, as about the fact that Obama is beating her.
The clip, I predict, will be played again and again and again.
Pundits will say that her tone made male voters recoil. And led some female voters to sneer.
Clinton people are spinning this as her projecting strength. I do not think that will be the widely-head view.
HERE's THE VIDEO LINK, already posted by Clinton enemies and the debate isn't even over yet.
Tell me what you think.
-- jpt
UPDATE: She just had another weird moment, too, where she seemed to blame Natalie Sarkisyan's death on John Edwards' inability to get the Patients Bill of Rights passed in the House.
I should add that this angry Hillary Clinton is NOT one I've ever seen at the Senate, on the stump, or in interviews. But I feel her performance tonight, in contrast to Obama's coolness and Edwards' Southern drawl, feeds into stereotypes about her. She tried to address this by dismissing "likeability" as a factor -- that Americans in 2000 would have preferred to have a beer with George W. Bush than Al Gore, and look how that worked out. But still.
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For all of you who are for Obama I suggest you go to (Info about Obama's family (tribe) in Kenya Africa) and see what our missionaries in Africa have to say about him, it will give you the chills.
Posted by: Mary A.Schlichte | Apr 27, 2008 5:26:45 PM
I yearn for the days when Hillary will order her stormtroopers to break down our doors and stick machine guns in the faces of our children. Oh, please elect Hillary, please....
Posted by: Don DeVan | Jan 10, 2008 9:54:22 PM
oh no, she got angry? What a pathetic commentary. Post when you have something insightful to say. What a moron!
Posted by: Lythic | Jan 10, 2008 1:26:09 PM
Please dont vote for her. It was very clever for the devil to disguise himself as a women, truly genius and scary. You watch- six months after being elected, churches will be closed by force; after a year, they'll be forcing us to surrender our firearms, forfeit our freedom of speech and press; a day later half of the american population will be dead for refusing to coply with tyranny; and by the time her term is up it won't matter because dictators don't have terms that end at the end of an allotted time, and Dictator of Earth, Hillary, spawn of all sin, will rule all with an iron fist. See, i've considered the consequences of the actions i may take, and should do the same. Vote for not Hillary.
Posted by: Yoyo | Jan 9, 2008 8:41:58 PM
Frankly, I do not think I understand what Jake is trying to say. Senator Clinton was clear, concise and delivered her message loud and clear. So Senator Clinton showed some emotion - at least it was real which is more than I can say about the fary tale that Obama is spinning.
Posted by: Jerrold Broussard | Jan 9, 2008 3:26:32 PM
"Since you are attacking the Clintons it was the GOP who mounted such Ken Starr investigations..."<--You mean Janet Reno, don'tcha, DV? Get your facts straight and spare me your tedious fact-free spin. Your boy was not impeached for adultery, but for lying his face off under oath.
Posted by: Tony | Jan 8, 2008 2:14:10 PM
"To get your facts straight President Johnson was the first president to be impeached in 1868..."<--What part of "America's first *ELECTED* impeached president" managed to zip right past you, DV? Don't quit your day job for an American History teaching gig.
Posted by: Tony | Jan 8, 2008 2:01:21 PM
anyone gotten on obama website? you can not even leave a comment!
Posted by: PATTY | Jan 8, 2008 12:28:29 PM
Soon people will settle down and ask themselves if Obama a freshman senator, with only two years of national office under his belt, can really be president. In the middle of a war, are we going to put a man with absolutely no foreign policy or armed services oversight credentials into the White House?
Posted by: PATTY | Jan 8, 2008 12:20:04 PM
Can anyone give the experience OBAMA HAS?
Posted by: PATTY | Jan 8, 2008 11:58:19 AM
HEY Clarence Styles- What, men can get mad but not women? Go tell your wife and let's see if she gets mad!
Posted by: PATTY | Jan 8, 2008 10:58:58 AM
Yeah, sorry, that's not angry, that's emphatic and tough. And it's crap to call it angry. I'm not convinced about Clinton, but I'm much happier to see that she's not just a backroom dealmaker, but an impassioned advocate for herself. The clip of her appearance today in the coffee shop is also a plus for her in my book. On the flipside, Obama is looking thinner and thinner in these appearances. As a Chicago Democrat, I was an early fan and now I'm beginning to believe he's playing a game and just trying to not to mess up some good momentum instead of driving for a result he believes in. He's running because he can and you should run for President and be President if you have the opportunity. But that doesn't mean I should vote for him.
Posted by: Alex Harris | Jan 7, 2008 10:56:54 PM
I am not a Hillary supporter, but I have to wonder what video clip Jake Tapper is talking about. Because I don't see an angry or heated Hillary in the clip he links. She simply seems emphatic -- as she should be in a debate especially when she is responding to a criticism.
One does have to wonder why a perfectly ordinary moment in a debate is singled out as a display of inappropriate anger. One does not want to assume sexism (perhaps unconscious sexism) lightly, but my only other response to Tapper's interpretation is What the ?!?!?
Posted by: Margaret | Jan 7, 2008 10:45:10 PM
Folks, put your mark on your score card. Obama is noting more and nothing less than another George Bush wearing the mantle of the Democratic party. He knows nothing about government oversight or government financing. Nothing about India or China; less about Korea. And worse, he does not know the kinds of leaders needs to head up cabinet posts. (Oprah will probably be Secretary of Agriculture, Jesse Jackson Secretary of Human Services, Mr. Bradley (the DC Mayor) in charge of the Food and DRUG Admin.)
Mount the dias, Mr. Obama Bush!!! Lead us on to yet another know-nothing-presidency.
Posted by: Bob | Jan 7, 2008 8:16:34 PM
Gee Tony- Look who sounds angry now a whole bunch of you, your last blog seemed more angry then Clinton in the debate. To get your facts straight President Johnson was the first president to be impeached in 1868, later aquitted just like Clinton, but Johnson only by one vote.
Here are some facts:
"On Friday, February 12, television cameras were once again turned on inside the chamber and senators gathered in open session for the final roll call. With the whole world watching, senators stood up one by one to vote "guilty" or "not guilty." On Article 1, the charge of perjury, 55 senators, including 10 Republicans and all 45 Democrats voted not guilty. On Article 3, obstruction of justice, the Senate split evenly, 50 for and 50 against the President.
With the necessary two-thirds majority not having been achieved, the President was thus acquitted on both charges and would serve out the remainder of his term of office lasting through January 20"
So Tony impeachment proceedings were started but he was not impeached and finished out his presidency.
Since you are attacking the Clintons it was the GOP who mounted such Ken Starr investigations into things to try and destroy the Clintons. But funny when G. W. Bush got into office he and his cronies signed into law a bill banning such investigations like the one Ken Starr put forth against the Clinton's. Any guess why- he would have been long gone.
Now seeing that it was over affairs the impeachment proceedings alot more Presidents including Kennedy would have been long gone.
And it was Nixon who signed a plea so later to be pardoned after he resigned from the office; not Clinton. He never signed a damn thing. So get your facts straight instead of listening to the rumor mill and do some research.
It is so dis enheartening reading that the genx and geny generation want someone hip. It shows how immature that is, this is not a popularity contest like when you were in Middle school voting for class president. This is America an entire country , that is at stake. And you have people saying they want someone hip, that is not so yesterday. Well people without yesterday, there could not have been a today. So wake up and grow up. Gen y and Gen x(who dont have mortgages to pay and utilities, aren't feeding 3 kids and working at the same time) You guys just go with who is hot for the moment and when Obama fizzles out and you get bored with him you just cant turn him off or fire him. You are stuck for 4 years. You gus want miracles n, next day results since most of you have only had to live in the very accesible society with all the technology we have today. Wake Up, Well no one has done miracles in office and it takes more than just some young upcoming brash democrate to change the political machine that has grown over decades it isn't going to happen, asap.
So if you guys want Obama, someone who talks down to you and talks in circles never giving any clearly defined plans or strategies. Then so be it.
But we will see in 4 to 8 years if he becomes president who has egg on thier face, when we are hated more around the world, when you gen x and Y are paying 4.00 a gallon for heating oil, your prescriptions and healthcare skyrocket even more than they are now. When you are putting food on the table for your kids, while trying to work a 60 hour a week job just to make some of the bills.
So we shall see who has egg on thier face then.
Posted by: DV | Jan 7, 2008 6:27:22 PM
I know why she is so angry its because she is number one one Judicial Watch's, Ten Most Wanted Corrupt Politicians” for 2007.
Anyone who votes for her is doing us a great disservice!
Posted by: Cindy Coleman | Jan 7, 2008 5:22:49 PM
for all you people still sayig we are veating on hillary for no reason : PLEASE TRY TO TELL ME A FEW OF THE MONUMENTAL CHANGES SHE SAY SHE HAS MEAD OVER THE LAST 35 YEARS OF BEING A LAWYER, GOVERNORS WIFE, PRESIDENTS WIFE AND A MEDIOCRE SENATOR ..... THE ONLY ONE I HAVE SEEN IS A HOORIBLE ATTEMPT AT HEALTH CARE WHICH NEVER GOT OFF THE DRAWING BOARD BECAUSE OF HORRENDOUS FLAWS ..... if you cant please stop telling us we are picking on the self appointed queen
Posted by: bill | Jan 7, 2008 4:50:51 PM
Obama has shown very little character in his life being a party boy druggie during his youth. Has the man had to make one tough decision in his life? or does he hide behind Oprah and the race card?
Posted by: Bryan Shuy | Jan 7, 2008 2:29:42 PM
She's been nothing but an enabling doormat for her disgraced husband for decades, declaring full-fledged war on any of his victims who've ever dared to blow the whistle on him, yet has the nerve to position herself as a champion of women. The gall this woman has is beyond mind-boggling. And she wonders why Obama took the women's vote in Iowa.
Posted by: Tony | Jan 7, 2008 1:31:28 PM
Please God, don't let Hillary win...I don't want to move to Canada!
I want the first woman President to be a person of integrity and honor...not a joke, married to a bigger joke that she lied about to save face!
Posted by: anxious voter | Jan 7, 2008 12:51:26 PM
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