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If not Obama, then McCain?

January 23, 2008 5:26 PM

In an interview with the excellent David Brody of CBN, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, says of Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, "I have no doubt that once the nomination contest is over, I will get the people who voted for her. Now the question is can she get the people who voted for me?"

At The New Republican's "The Plank," Jason Zengerle says: that the "Clintons' strategy seems to be banking on the idea that even if they take the low road to winning the nomination, Hillary will still get Obama's old supporters in the general election, because those voters will have nowhere else to go."

Zengerle doubts that many would vote for Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., assuming he's the GOP nominee, despite Andrew Sullivan readers expressing such a sentiment but he asks "what if they just stayed home? It's probably not an electability argument Obama can make too explicitly without sounding like a spoiler--I'm actually surprised he made it as explicitly as he did to Brody--but it's something to think about."

I actually don't find it beyond the realm of imagination that enough Obama supporters might vote for McCain to put him over the top in a McCain v Clinton showdown.

That's not to say it would happen, but consider this --

1) McCain might have an easier time pivoting to the center after securing the nomination than Clinton might (and imagine if Sen. Joe Lieberman, I-Conn., were on the ticket.)

2) Despite his solid conservative voting record,  and his ardent support for the war in Iraq, McCain might at least make a "change" versus "more of the same" contest a wash given her time as First Lady, her partisanship, and the race she's running against Obama.

How will Obama's African-American supporters respond if this race continues to proceed the way it does? The university elites that former President Clinton derides? The independents and the swing voters who like Obama? Would they turn out for Clinton in November if McCain (and Mike Bloomberg) were on the ticket?

Just throwing it out there. What say you?

-- jpt

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Benj - it might take a long time to get everyone on board with the idea of unity - and some people will never want it - but even if it did take several generations, as you suggest, that first step has got to start somewhere - so why not now? Unless there is a mandate to achieve that, then several generations or not, you won't even be heading in the right direction - so you're argument to me is defeatist - it will take too long, so why even try - is what you seem to be saying.

This world is really fractured and it continues to fracture further - and people are easier to control by those who don't really have the people's interest at heart when we succumb to divide and conquer.

So these people who divide and conquer - they keep making things incrementally worse - and things have gotten to a point now where - for so many reasons - we can't let that happen anymore.

So get behind Obama because it is actually all of you that are going to create that together - he's trying to inspire you to believe in yourself as a people.

Posted by: Jay | Jan 25, 2008 2:24:42 AM

OBAMA IS SO SELF RIGHTIOUS. HE WILL NEVER GET MY VOTE. HILLARY IS THE ONLY ONE WHO WILL. ALL OBAMA DOES IS WHINE.IF HE CANT STAND THE HEAT HE NEEDS TO GO CRY ON HIS ADOPTED SISTERS SHOULDERS(OPRA)

Posted by: benj | Jan 24, 2008 10:48:23 PM

Alot of you are saying that Obama can unity this country. How will he do it that others cannot?. How does he unite a country with such an ugly history? Can he do it in 4 years or overnight? We need several generations to do this...he still has a long way to go.
Another thing, whether America votes for HRC or not..life goes on. She will continue to serve her constituents as a senator. Whoever goes to the HW will get the country down the drain. Its amazing how many of us -Americans in general like to be ahistorical. We do not want to look at history and see the good and the bad that we have experienced realistically. We are too emotion-driven-when it comes to voting. Do you vote a candidate because you like them or because they have good ideas for this country. What does liking have to do with whatever the job entails? This talk of like and hate reflects on our history-a history of hate.....racism, sexism, homophobia, Islamaphobia etc.

Posted by: Vee | Jan 24, 2008 10:28:54 PM

I'm one of the independent 50+ group that will have a bit to say about our next president and it won't be for Clinton.This country has health care, education, war, economy issues and more. The last thing we need is a president so locked up in her own pride and self-interests that she can't run a clean campaign or answer straight questions. A strong woman president might be good for us but Clinton obviously needs to cling to her husband and let him do half her dirty work to keep her hands marginally clean. We need a president who can help us out of the mess we are in as a country, not further cloud it.I would very much like to vote for a Democrat this year - a rare occurance for me- and the only one that would make me change to a republican will be Hilary. If she wins the nomination , I pray for us all that McCain is the republican I vote for. I will not be staying home or refusing to vote. I actually look forward to possibly being able to vote for someone instead of against someone else. I will vote for Obama or Edwards or I will vote against Hilary. It is that simple- I think we need a president that puts US first not herself.

Posted by: Candy | Jan 24, 2008 4:19:55 PM

I'll never vote for Hillary. If she gets the nomination, I'll either vote for the republican or a third party candidate.

Posted by: Judy | Jan 24, 2008 3:34:35 PM

I am also a liberal Democrat and an Obama supporter. But both my husband, my two young daughters who will be voting for the first time, and I simply cannot under any circumstances vote for the Hillary dynasty. I am vehemently opposed to the Iraq war; yet if Hillary is the nominee, I will hold my nose and vote for McCain. When is the Democratic party going to wake up? Obama has a genuine chance to bring this country together. The antiClinton vote is huge and crosses all party lines. We are disgusted with this power hungry, dishonest couple. If Hillary wins the primary, McCain wins the election.

Posted by: Jane Thomas | Jan 24, 2008 3:33:28 PM

I considered voting for Hillary over Obama; now, I cannot imagine voting for her at all.

Hillary and Bill's behavior have pushed me clearly into the Obama camp. Experience means little when accompanied by such a lack of character. Clearly, Hillary and Bill are directly involved in disingenuous personal attacks. I will be sad for the country if she wins.

Posted by: Barak Epstein | Jan 24, 2008 2:34:12 PM

I am an ardent Obama supporter. For the first time ever, I gave to support a campaign. I will, under no circumstances, vote for Hillary Clinton. I am a 53 year old Black female who typically supports Democratic candidates. But this is one time I absolutely refuse to vote for a Democrat if that Dem is Hillary Clinton. I will vote for McCain, if he wins the Republican nomination, instead. I will not vote for Romney or Huckabee either. If it's Clinton against anyone but McCain, I will vote Independent or write in a choice, or leave it blank.

Posted by: V. Holmes | Jan 24, 2008 2:17:36 PM

I am an ardent Obama supporter. Hoewever, if he does not get the Democratic party's nomination for President, I would not want him to take the VP slot. Although I voted for Bill C. twice, I will never vote for HRC. The race baiting of Billery has sickened me. If Hillary is the nominee, I will likely vote for McCain--even though I oppose many of his policies.

Posted by: Ted | Jan 24, 2008 1:13:09 PM

As one of those "university elites that former President Clinton derides", I definitely won't support HRC if she wins the primary. The lies and manipulations Billary has been engaging in over the last few weeks are exactly what's wrong with politics today, and why I've backed Obama since the early days of his US Senate campaign.

Interesting isn't it that for a couple who so vehemently objected to the politics of personal destruction, the Clintons are expert at it.

Posted by: Deirdre | Jan 24, 2008 10:51:10 AM

The media supporters of Obama see the end coming and are starting to flock back to their former darling -McCain. get ready for the gushing about him now. At least until Romeny pulls ahead on Super Tuesday.

Posted by: geevill | Jan 24, 2008 10:08:55 AM

Go Obama, get ready for your speech on Saturday and come out strong, unity as always and this will give you a chance to tell us more of what you stand for, for those who claim they do not know you well. WE ARE PRAYING FOR YOU!!!!

Posted by: Mercy | Jan 24, 2008 9:42:39 AM

Well folks, the general consensus here is that we ALL want OBAMA to be on the ticket! I think there is a very good back up plan in case this doesn't happen which is to vote for ANYONE BUT HILLARY, whether being a Republican OR Democrat.

Let's all hope that Obama gets in there!!

The Clinton's don't need to embarrass our country any further.

Posted by: angela | Jan 24, 2008 9:34:57 AM

Just the comments here show that Obama's question about his supporters voting for Clinton is a valid one and one that should be considered now, so that voters and party have time to think about it, instead of later. Maybe it wasn't 'politic' for him to say what he did -- but it was honest and it recoginized a real problem. You know, I'd sort of like to have a president who deals with truth and real, not made-up or self-created, problems!
-- Count me as another life-long Democrat (white, 60s) who will never vote for the Clintons. I've done so in the past - 4 times!!! - but never again, not after seeing how they choose to campaign. We can be sure they will govern the same way. (Plurals deliberate)

Posted by: Elizabeth | Jan 24, 2008 9:22:15 AM

The general sentiment of the many comments preceding mine bears out what I have to say in response to your question, Jake: Sen. Clinton's "negatives" are far too strong for her and her Husband-Who-Will-Not-Shut-Up to count on regaining voters who voted for Sen. Obama in the primaries. The way in which Sen. Clinton is conducting her campaign, with her loose cannon of a husband injecting his unhelpful opinions where they're not needed, does nothing to enhance her reputation and does everything to create the impression that Bubba would indeed be the "power behind the throne." Were I a seer, I would predict that many will vote for McCain or for a third-party candidate over Sen. Clinton. As one of the earlier posts here read, "ABC--Anybody But Clinton."

Posted by: chuck | Jan 24, 2008 8:54:04 AM

Well clearly the Obama campaign is down its last legs throwing out this bunch of BS. by the way, McCain will not be the GVOP nominee in all likelihood. Romney will crush him on Super Tuesday.

Posted by: geevill | Jan 24, 2008 8:49:17 AM

To all the Previous Posters:


Good Morning:

This is not a question; but a statement.

Both my husband & I are registered Democrats and have always voted accordingly. We are in our early 50's, white and college educated and live just outside the Beltway.

However, we believe that it is VERY important for the Democratic Party to note that we will NOT vote for the Clintons (PLURAL), if THEY get the nomination.

At that point, if there is an independent we will cast our vote with them; OR leave the Presidency portion of the ballot BLANK.

If the Democratic National Party is serious about regaining NOT only the White House but a MAJORITY in both the Congress & the Senate to actually get some programs and laws passed; then, allow someone who can UNITE the country and bring over BOTH Republicans and Independents to vote for him.

The absolutely unbecoming behavior of former President Clinton is appalling and with so many media outlets vying for their market share, believe me, the American Public gets to see this!

The Democratic "Super" Delegates had better think long & hard about whom they back or the DNP will find itself perhaps either losing the Presidency AND the Congress to the Republicans AGAIN.

This is only ONE example of reading the posted remarks of thoughtful and caring Americans. This is NOT 'sour grapes' but a decision based on the notion that this country & the Democratic Party needs to move forward and get this country working again.

Thank You
D. Carnes

Posted by: Dari | Jan 24, 2008 8:35:45 AM

I volunteer on the campaign, and I'm actually hearing A TON of independents and Republicans AND even hardcore dems saying this EXACT thing. They will vote McCain maybe, but NEVER Hillary. I hear this dozens of times, daily.

something to chew on...

Posted by: Tony | Jan 24, 2008 4:15:43 AM

If HRC is elected, guess who will
be running the country...
Not HRC.

Posted by: Ron | Jan 24, 2008 3:08:38 AM

I'll vote for either Edwards or Obama in a heartbeat, but I won't vote for Clinton unless she puts one of them on the ticket. Otherwise, I will just leave that spot blank on my ballot. I've always voted for Democratic candidates and I'll still do that on the down-ticket races.

Posted by: Tom | Jan 24, 2008 3:01:51 AM

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