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Obama v Clinton/Clinton

January 21, 2008 8:13 PM

Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., told South Carolina's The State newspaper that former President Bill Clinton and his wife, Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, are lying about him and his record purposefully.

“There is a concrete strategy by the Clintons,” Obama said.

Any objective review of how Bill and Hillary Clinton have been twisting comments Obama made about Ronald Reagan and the Republican party would concur.

As we've previously reviewed, Obama, asked by the editorial board of the Reno Gazette-Journal, how his being the nominee might help down-ballot candidates, such as Senators and Congressmen, get elected, said: "I think that we're shifting the political paradigm here. And if I'm the nominee, I think I can bring a lot of folks along on my coattails. You know, there's a reason why in 2006, I made the most appearances for members of Congress. I was the most requested surrogate to come in and campaign for people in districts that were swing districts, Republican districts where they wouldn't have any other Democrat.

"That was based on their read of the fact that, you know what, this is somebody who can reach out to independents and Republicans in a way that doesn't offend people…I don't want to present myself as some sort of singular figure. I think part of what's different are the times.

"I do think that, for example, the 1980 election was different. I mean, I think Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that, you know, Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. He put us on a fundamentally different path because the country was ready for it. They felt like, you know, with all the excesses of the 60's and the 70's and government had grown and grown but there wasn't much sense of accountability in terms of how it was operating and he tapped into what people were already feeling. Which is, people wanted clarity, we want optimism, we want a return to that sense of dynamic and entrepreneurship that had been missing, alright? I think Kennedy, twenty years earlier, moved the country in a fundamentally different direction. So I think a lot of it just has to do with the times.

"I think we're in one of those times right now. Where people feel like things as they are going aren't working. We're bogged down in the same arguments that we've been having, and they're not useful. And, you know, the Republican approach, I think, has played itself out. I think it's fair to say the Republicans were the party of ideas for a pretty long chunk of time there over the last ten, fifteen years, in the sense that they were challenging conventional wisdom. Now, you've heard it all before. You look at the economic policies when they're being debated among the Presidential candidates and it's all tax cuts. Well, you know, we've done that, we tried it. That's not really going to solve our energy problems, for example. So, some of it's the times. And some of it's, I think, there's maybe a generation element to this, partly. In the sense that there's a, I didn't did come of age in the battles of the 60's. I'm not as invested in them.

"And so I think I talk differently about issues. And I think I talk differently about values. And that's why, I think we've been resonating with the American people."

You can watch the whole thing HERE.

Sen. Clinton twisted this into: "I have to say, you know, my leading opponent the other day said that he thought the Republicans had better ideas than Democrats the last ten to fifteen years."

That's not what Obama said.

And in Buffalo, N.Y., former President Bill Clinton twisted this into Obama "said President Reagan was the engine of innovation and did more, had a more lasting impact on America than I did. And then the next day he said, 'In the 90s the good ideas came out from the Republicans. Which it'll be costly maybe down the road for him because it's factually not accurate.”

What's factually not accurate is what President Bill Clinton said.

I know he wants his wife to beat Obama. And it seems that unleashing the Big Dog seems to be working for the Clinton campaign.

Perhaps some voters are even touched by his passion.

But let's be clear -- Bill Clinton is spreading demonstrably false information.

There's winning ugly, and there's winning with honor.

Does it matter? Or is all fair in politics and war?

-- jpt

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I feel compelled to post this message, but I must. With the Democratic Primaries now concluding I have to say that I wish Senator Clinton well. But any talk of an Obama Clinton ticket will surely lose my support, because the two of them together does not equal change. Obama needs to be free to support whoever choses (that best supports his deepest beliefs). To change Senator Clinton will contradict his messsage of change, and to me will be nothing less than business as usual politically speaking. And I for one will not support such a ticket.

Posted by: K. Ahblee | Jun 4, 2008 12:27:27 AM

Media favorite? Obama?

NewsCorp, the parent company of Fox News, has given Hillary 96 thousand dollarsin the last year. Disney, the Parent of ABC, has given her over 40,000 in the last three years.

Go to opensecrets dot org, and see for yourself.

Posted by: Jesse | Jan 29, 2008 6:37:12 AM

Many if not most of the elections in the US nowadays are based on election fraud by elections "officials" and their cronies. Check out to see clear evidence that the US no longer holds reliable democratic elections, and that the systems are built to make perpetration of election fraud as simple as pie, and virtually impossible for whatever few watchdogs there are to prove and/or take effective legal action to stop. This is a complete disgrace to our heritage. The only solution is to downsize the government and elect an honest man to the White House. Google "Ron Paul" to see the one man who could have saved this country and to learn about his ideas via his speeches and writings on the Internet.

Posted by: Jeff S | Jan 27, 2008 5:20:59 PM

I'm a lifelong liberal independent, but if Hillary gets the Democratic nom, I will seriously consider voting for McCain, and so will millions and millions of Americans. The era of the Clintons and the Bushes and their sickening tactics and venality have passed. It's time for a twenty-first-century president. Yes, he will need to do some learning as he goes. But unlike W, he's a helluva good student. Viva Obama!

Posted by: MF | Jan 26, 2008 12:02:04 PM

WAKE UP AMERICA! The Clinton's are, once again, consuming our airwaves, blaming the press for everything, bullying the other candidates, and will stop at nothing to get Hillary elected. Or, should I say, Hillary AND Bill elected? WAKE UP AMERICA. This is not about a candidate who cares about America or understands life in the White House because she was there for eight years picking up the pieces from Bill. This is about a narcissistic team of players, from Bill to Hillary to James Carville, to Mark Penn, to the worst of all, Terry McAuliffe, to their "silent" (Maureen Dowd's term) daughter Chelsea. It is about a man, Bill, so out of control that he will stop at nothing, say anything and bully anyone to get back in the White House. This is soooo dangerous. And, it is a puzzle that the American people do not see this. Bill has been a bully all his life. He has a temper that will flair at the slightest question that he does not approve of. To blame the media for "facts that are out there and for visuals that are out there and for things that he has said and are on tape..." He can't blame the media if he is actually guilty of his actions! And, everyone has seen them. Yes, this will be a Presidency, if she wins, of the two of them. It will be all about HIM, as he is her greatest adviser. And, America will be so mired in their drams, nothing will get done...once again. Remember the Monica Lewinsky that held this country hostage for two years...and who loved it the most? Bill...he was on TV every night. He can't get enough of the attention and so, in running her campaign, he is once again out there, as if he were running himself. WAKE UP AMERICA

Posted by: susan | Jan 25, 2008 10:25:32 AM

Why does Bill Clinton have any credibility? Now let me make this clear. I voted for him twice but let's face he has no credibility when it comes to truthfulness. I am an attorney in the Boston area and let me tell you when a lawyer gets disbarred from the practice of law for lying it is a serious offense. Why does Bill Clinton get a free pass at this? If he was in a civil trial his credibility would seriously be attacked and questioned. Once a liar always a liar. Why should we believe anything he says? Has Clinton earned our trust again as a nation? What is the basis for this? Maybe I just do not get it.

Sam

Boston

Posted by: Samuel Rodriguez | Jan 25, 2008 8:30:30 AM

It is disturbing to see how former president Bill Clinton can involve himself in such twisting of facts is it the way he got to be president when he became president?It is interesting now to see how Americans think.Would they elect Hillary Clinton for twisting the truth together with her husband.Are liers electable in the United states of America.America as nation is now at the greatest test and the whole world is watching.

Posted by: neddy | Jan 25, 2008 6:44:56 AM

Thank you for making the point that the Ice Queen and her puppy are exactly what this country needs to get rid of. It's time to end the Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton dynasty and look to a leader who can think with a fresh and honest perspective. If Bill is so concerned about protecting her honor, maybe he should have thought about her before he invited Monica into the oval office! And more importantly, as a young voter, I find Hillary polarizing and the Democratic National Committee better take a long hard look at who is actually going to be able to win in November. If she gets the nom, I second the vote to put McCain in office. I couldn't stand to see this conniving woman in a position of more power.

Posted by: Annie56 | Jan 24, 2008 5:22:04 PM

The Clintons are tag-team scorpions trying to cross the river to the White House on the back of the Democratic Party turtle. They will sabotage this election if they can't win--because it's their nature.

Posted by: Rhino | Jan 24, 2008 1:18:05 PM

Yup, I can see it now. If Sen. Obama is the nominee, whoever the republican candidate is will be asking why you should vote for someone of the "other" party when he has agreed that the republicans for the past 10 to 15 years was the party of ideas. He lauded President Reagan as an agent of change. We are the party of President Reagan and the party of ideas so why would you vote for someone in the "other" party who admits this?

In our local paper yesterday, Thomas Sowell's, AA, commentary on "Dangerous demogoguery" says: "Barack Obama says that he wants to 'heal America and repair the world.' One wonders what he will do for an encore and whether he will rest on the seventh day." Mr. Sowell, further states: "That we have so many people who are ready to be swept along by such rhetoric is a huge danger, for it means that the fate of this great nation is at risk from any skilled demagogue who comes along."

Posted by: Don | Jan 24, 2008 12:45:33 PM

Wow! So this is what it's like to watch adults flame like children! Stop for a second and listen to yourselves. "The Clinton's are liars"..."No, Obama is the one lying"... You people are ridiculous! Do you honestly believe that any of them are sworn ministers??? Stop applauding a journalist that probably accepted "gifts" for his report. Are the adults of America really that naive to believe politicians are fighting for you, the people. They are out there campaigning. Do you even know what that means? An effort to influence the decision making process!! I do not condone the use of slander and lies as a means for these wolves to get ahead in life. My point is for you ALL to wakeup! Politicians are crooks. They speak with a forked tongue and live through empty promises and shady deals made behind the scenes. Next time you happen to pass by your local Congressman's house (*cough, Zach Wamp), do America a favor and stop the family station wagon right in the middle of the road. Just look at that immaculate house he lives in...those $75,000+ CARS he drives. Oh and don't forget he lives in the most elite golf course/subdivision in the city and probably the entire state. Do you still believe they are out there fighting for you? They have quail to hunt and parties to attend...they are out there getting theirs while you moan about 'one lying so you're voting for the other!' They tell you what you want to hear so you will vote for them and they get power. It is a very elementary principle. No new taxes, war on terror, eliminate the nation's debt, increase the flow of oil, provide better energy alternatives...where's you $0.99/gallon gas? Where's those huge tax breaks? Why are we still billions of dollars in debt? How come the better alternative to a gasoline powered car is going to cost 2-3 times as much if all this money is being dumped into research and development?? If it's truth and honesty this country wants then send me $500 million to blow on a 'persuasion'...I mean campaign. I will swear under oath, by penalty of death if broken, that I will always tell the truth to the people! Do you still feel Obama is that 'refreshing'? Do you still believe Bill 'never had relations'? Better yet, go cast your votes for your favorite liar..."they" will just call for a recount if "they" don't like the results.

Posted by: Brandon A. | Jan 24, 2008 12:36:58 PM

Here you can find everything you need to know about the candidates running in the 2008 election.

Posted by: president | Jan 24, 2008 7:39:41 AM

Thank you very much for this article. Where is the rest of the MSM who continue to report this story without pointing out how the Bill/Hillary have distorted what Barack Obama really said and meant?

Posted by: Hazel | Jan 24, 2008 4:29:54 AM

1)Stop asking if Obama was praising the ideas as "good" or "bad" because you're forcing an issue that isn't there. Clearly, Obama was saying that the Reagan years' ideas were TRANSFORMATIVE. He reserved judgment as to rating them as "good" or "bad" ideas. The problem is in the way you frame the question, like you're trying to FRAME him. And, that is the Clinton approach, and that is what people are sick of regardless of party affiliation. I was once seriously considering Clinton (Billary), but her proposals and tactics have led me to...

2)If Hillary gets on the Democratic ticket, I'm voting for McCain.

But I am a Californian voting for Obama in the primary.

Posted by: Karen | Jan 24, 2008 2:10:20 AM

It's sad that this information isn't presented so plainly to the public. This is what the media should be doing: Presenting facts and letting the public form their own opinions.

Unfortunately, it's currently hidden in this blog which is seen by .00001% of the public. After all, more than half don't have an internet machine or access to the internets.

Posted by: Andrew Robson | Jan 23, 2008 9:34:40 PM

As a college student in '92, I had Clinton's "There's nothing wrong with America that cannot be fixed by what is right with America" on my answering machine. Since then, it's become clear that "you gotta do what you gotta do" more (read today's wsj editorial page, the one time in history i've ever agreed with that rag) more typifies Team Clinton. If Hillary wins the nomination, I will support McCain. If Obama's gone, he's the only one left with some conviction and genuineness in him.

Posted by: Definition of 'is' | Jan 23, 2008 7:56:20 PM

Ok, what am I missing here?
Are you trying to say that Obama was BADMOUTHING Reagan & the Republican party?...and the Clintons twisted what he said?

I'm not hearing Obama say that Reagan or the Republican Party had BAD ideas, so the only conclusion I can make is that Obama was PRAISING Reagan & the Republican Party ideas, why else say it?

How could all this get so distorted? I guess the Media hates the Clintons (ok, I do to, but I don't see how they lied this time) & gives Obama, who IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST LIARS a break.

Obama either said that Reagan & the Republican Party ideas were bad or good. So can someone tell me which it was if the Clintons, and not Obama lied about what he said?

If Obama is considered honest, then WE have a big problem in this country. They ALL lie.

One thing I'm certain is that Obama tried to make a point with THAT statement so it couldn't just have been a flat-liner statement, one without having any meaning. Well, whatcha say?

Posted by: James B | Jan 23, 2008 7:45:42 PM

Thank you for the honest, objective portrayal of the Clinton smear machine. It almost makes me feel sorry for Obama.

If Clinton gets the nomination, heaven forbid the presidency, this kind of dirt and filth will be par for the course. Good reason to move to Australia!

Posted by: Summaham | Jan 23, 2008 7:08:33 PM

In today's age of biased media, I COMMEND ABC for sticking it to the Clinton's and making them accountable for their statements. We have been waiting for someone to do this for some time. ABC is now my source of information. Not because I hate the Clintons, but because ABC is reporting news not propaganda.

Posted by: J Mac | Jan 23, 2008 6:39:10 PM

Oh please, Obama is no different yet as soon as he whines every news outlet is reporting about them mean ole clintons! The bias of the media in this election has been beyond crystal clear. The saddest thing is y'all are taking your cues from old Rush Limbaugh routines.

Posted by: pay attention | Jan 23, 2008 3:38:11 PM

I was a big fan of the Clintons in the 90's. Their conduct in this race has sickened me so much that I may very well not vote for Hillary if she wins the nomination.

Posted by: Enrique | Jan 23, 2008 2:39:31 PM

How about this...Who cares? Neither one of these candidates seems to know much of anything other than how to avoid answering a question by talking a lot about change. Have fun voting for who the media tells you to, I think I'll move...

Posted by: J | Jan 23, 2008 11:24:22 AM

I'm very disappointed with the Clintons and will now vote Obama. I liked Hilary but I'm getting more and more upset with the Clinton's tactics.


Posted by: Ronald | Jan 23, 2008 11:00:30 AM

Thank you for this clarification!! But where is the rest of the media who continue to report this story without pointing out how the Clintons have distorted what Obama really said and meant?

Posted by: CiCi | Jan 23, 2008 10:40:04 AM

sam madino - Vote Romney then

Interesting Obama is in the so called mud deeper then Hilary, just that for some reason the press ignores it!

Now with the press being so liberal and mark my words, when Hilary wins the nomination they will not say a peep abpout her, and then use the defense oh we went after her during the primary!

Obama is a Sharleton snake oil salesman.

Posted by: spock | Jan 23, 2008 10:12:09 AM

I love you , Bill, but please shut up.

Posted by: Kurt | Jan 23, 2008 9:49:20 AM

good article. keep em coming. beware of provocateurs stating they are for a candidate, then proceed to make statements that contradict their alleged support. the difference is palpable and odious. go Kucinich and Paul!

Posted by: Ed | Jan 23, 2008 9:44:13 AM

Thank you for this article! We've needed more truth analysis from the media for the last 8 years. This should be on the front page of the newspapers right next to the Clinton attacks!

Posted by: RobC | Jan 23, 2008 8:43:35 AM

This is what the press is supposed to do. Expose falsehood and lies wherever it comes up.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Posted by: Mike | Jan 23, 2008 7:48:06 AM

It is amazing and a bit sad to me that this article is being praised as a resurrection of competant/objective journalism in the mainstream media. I don't think Hillary is evil, but I am not particularly a Hillary supporter. I Like Obama, in fact. However, in my estimation:

(1) This article is quite biased. I don't see the Clintons' extrapolation as a huge leap - well within the bounds of normal political combat, and a valid interpretation of what Obama said. Words like "twisted" indicate the author's bias.

(2) The article doesn't present the perspective of both sides. There is _clearly_ room for comment on Obama's choice of Reagan as an example of change the country was "ready for." Corporations certainly were ready for it, and have subsequently benefited massively, while the average American did not.

(3) Not that it's required, but there wasn't a huge amount investigative journalism here. A big long Obama quote, verbatim (yes, I know that's refreshing ;-), a few short Clinton quotes and the condemnation.

To me, the big shame in all this is that while Hillary and Obama sling mud, the mainstream media is unilaterally excluding Edwards. I find him to be level-headed, concerned about the correct issues (the poor, corporatization) and, frankly, presidential.

Posted by: Paul not Ron | Jan 23, 2008 7:41:35 AM

I often vote Republican, but I have been following this election with some interest. I have to say that the truth ALWAYS matters. After all, our dollar bill still states "IN GOD WE TRUST," and we know that basic morals go without saying, or do they? One has to wonder what we are portraying to our children if a former president consistently lies. During his presidency and after.

Posted by: susan | Jan 23, 2008 7:14:59 AM

Great Post!! Keep the truth coming!!

Posted by: eking | Jan 23, 2008 6:21:48 AM

The Clinton's just can't seem to understand the principle of honesty. They both have quite the track record of misleading, covering up, and flat out lying.

Posted by: Dave | Jan 23, 2008 4:07:30 AM

I support Barack Obama because he doesn't seek to perfect the politics of Swiftboating. He seeks to end it.

As a veteran, it disgusts me that credible news organizations are not question twisted politics and the lies formulated by other campaigns about someone's character just to win an election.

One way to end this kind of politics is for the media to do their jobs and report the facts to the American people. The other and most important element is for the American people themselves to use their critical thinking when they cast their vote. If you want America to change, you must stop feeding Mr. Smear with your vote.

Posted by: F Rodgers | Jan 23, 2008 2:52:57 AM

You are all just jumping on the clinton hating bandwagon. What the clintons are saying are exagerated, but aren't the out right lies you're making them out to be. What? Obama has never exagerated something another canidate has said?

Posted by: jimmy | Jan 23, 2008 2:34:42 AM

Here you can find out everything you need to know about the candidates in 2008.

Posted by: president | Jan 23, 2008 2:15:22 AM

Thanks for writing this entry - it's great to see the "4th estate" doing their job.

Posted by: Ron | Jan 23, 2008 2:10:12 AM

The way the general public accepts these lies as fact annoys me to no end.

Posted by: yoshi | Jan 23, 2008 1:44:00 AM

Wait...no weird spin on how Obama is retaliating and initiating the "race war" conflicts? Honesty in the media?? ABC??? (gasp!)
The fact that you have a commenting system says alot about your integrity..and that you actually care about us. Thank you

I sincerely applaud your boldness when all the other stations have caved.

Posted by: POINT | Jan 23, 2008 1:34:35 AM

I'm glad they are calling out on the Clintons' lies, you can only fake your character so long, but it helps if the media notices.
Unfortunately when the Media lies and smears or hurt a candidate there is no higher power, law suits do no good because the media would not be covering their own suit if it hurts it.
They have been biased towards the best candidate this race has to offer, they try sabotaging him, and tripping him, they throw straw men at him, yet he comes out with class clean and honorable as ever before.
I'm talking about RON PAUL, who?

Posted by: C.P.B | Jan 23, 2008 1:15:36 AM

After reading some of the comments, I find it amusing that some of you are actually praising ABC for doing actual journalism... you know, the stuff that actual journalists are paid to do?

Posted by: Jasper | Jan 23, 2008 1:11:21 AM

Wow... ABC NEWS doing UNBIASED REPORTING? I guess I will have to come back to ABC NEWS!!!

KUDOS!!!

Posted by: Gary | Jan 23, 2008 12:57:13 AM

Thank you for reporting what other news outlets would not report. The Clintons have been bashing Obama and lying about Obama for weeks now. This has brought Obama to the defense, so that the Clintons can now claim he is attacking them.

We certainly don't need leaders who feel fear-mongering and lying are the ways to lead. Eight years of Bush was enough!

Posted by: Bryan in Illinois | Jan 23, 2008 12:51:22 AM

Thank you for just coming out with it - it is great to see objective reporting of the facts - I am glad to see that abc is not self censoring on setting this record straight. I do not understand why generally the press is so reticent on pointing out that the clintons are purposefully distorting and spreading false info - are they scared - i just do not get it. We need dignity in the white house - winning with honor would be a good start,

Posted by: melanie | Jan 23, 2008 12:51:16 AM

If you want Bush/Cheney/Rove 2 then vote for Hillary, otherwise the choice is very clear. Let's put america back into the path of righteousness.

Posted by: sam madino | Jan 23, 2008 12:48:46 AM

To answer your final question: it is not an honest or fair tactic either in or out of politics, and unfortunately, nor is it new for the Clintons. Hillary's well deserved high negatives have undoubtedly fueled Obama's popularity with all types of voters. Her high nagatives do not result from a "vast right-wing conspiracy," but rather, from the Clinton style politics of dodge, duck, dip, deny, lie and counter-attack.

Posted by: AW | Jan 23, 2008 12:44:48 AM

ABC News,

THANK YOU for doing what no other mainstream news outlet has dared to do, and checking the accuracy of a politician's claims. I've had enough with he-said-she-said. The media's common refusal to check whether candidates are being factual or not, out of fear of being accused of bias against any given liar, has done irreparable damage to our politics. Thank you for taking a step in the right direction!

Posted by: Jason | Jan 23, 2008 12:43:26 AM

Thanks for doing some good journalism ABC. It saddens me to see the democrats resorting to Karl Rove style attacks

Posted by: Dan | Jan 23, 2008 12:34:50 AM

Clinton folks are plain dumb. Reagan believed in the individual, Clinton believes that people need bureaucrates to fix their lives. Very unAmerican. Socialism may come to USA, and it will take 50 years of devolution to make people wake up, just as France is finally doing.

Posted by: joebl | Jan 23, 2008 12:33:25 AM

Finally, a fact-check from ABC, keep them coming! Why didn't they do this in NH when the mailers full of lies were sent out, on Obama's pro-choice record (perfect), on Obama's social security tax proposal (Hillary said she'd consider it too, when she though the [AP] press wasn't listening)? Go check out the misleading calls and mailers in SC and the Super Tuesday states too, ABC - make it your mission. After all, it is your job. You'll find an astounding level of increased support, site hits, and viewership if you start getting real like this.

Posted by: Inaru | Jan 23, 2008 12:25:23 AM

The truth matters. How do the Clinton supporters keep fighting for a candidate who lies?

Don't you want a president who tells you the truth? Eight years of lying Bush, and eight before that of lying Clinton . . .

How do you do it? How do you convince yourself that supporting yet another lying liar is a moral thing to do?

I remember when Democrats were calling out Republicans for their lies -- Al Franken's 'Lies and the Lying Liars who tell them," etc.

Is Obama perfect? No, he's not. But he's a long sight better. And the Clintons are so indefensible that the only way they can maintain themselves is by tearing a good man down.

Posted by: Calenth | Jan 23, 2008 12:15:31 AM

This is one more hatchet job against the Clintons.

Funny thing is that John Edwards read Obama's comments exactly and Hillary and Bill did and critized Obama for it. [Edwards: "I would never use Ronald Reagan as an example of change...

"He was openly -- openly -- intolerant of unions and the right to organize. He openly fought against the union and the organized labor movement in this country. He openly did extraordinary damage to the middle class and working people, created a tax structure that favored the very wealthiest Americans and caused the middle class and working people to struggle every single day. The destruction of the environment, you know, eliminating regulation of companies that were polluting and doing extraordinary damage to the environment...

"I can promise you this: This president will never use Ronald Reagan as an example for change."]

But I have not hear a single person call Edwards a liar.

Congressman Clyburn told a reporter (on CNN or MSNBC, can't remember which) that Obama's comments about Reagan raised eyebrows because Reagan is not well liked in the African American community.

I read it the same way the Clintons, Obama and Clyburn did.

Obama wasn't just talking about Reagan's rhetoric. Read the stament carefully. Senator Obama, in trying to get the endorsement of a conservative newspaper in Nevada stated that Reagan also stated that the country was receptive because they were responding to the "excesses of the 60's and 70's." Which excesses was Obama exactly referring to? Was it the civil rights movement, the feminism movement, the farm worker and union movement, or the anti-war movement?

A number of people who heard that comment understood it as it must reasonably be understood -- as praising Reagan's policies and not just his rhetoric. I certainly understood it that way.

So while you may disagree with the reading given to it by the Clinton's it was a reasonable reading. Otherwise, you must also call Senator Edwards a liar.

Posted by: CDH | Jan 22, 2008 11:55:44 PM

Simple minded reading of a silly debate. Obama was pontificating in the middle of a primary, a stupid gaffe.

Hillary cynically exploits the gaffe, just as he would do if the shoes were switched.

Now instead of any real reporting or analysis of stimulus proposals say we get this article on the race from a 'cultural commentator'. Great coverage ABC!

Posted by: Drew | Jan 22, 2008 11:14:40 PM

After watching cnn, msnbc, and all these other biased-as-hell news media, it somewhat calms my soul to be reading this. ABC, thank you for not being as biased as these other news media. I await your next article on anything from hillary's unaccounted / mis-accounted campaign funding (stan lee???!) to the "oh your still running?" cover-up tactics everyone pulls on ron paul who supposedly "doesnt have enough support" even though hes raised record breaking campaign funding, twice.

Posted by: ken | Jan 22, 2008 11:07:53 PM

You all should consider Ron Paul. He is the only one with the economic knowledge to get the country back on track. All the other candidates will spend us into the ground

Posted by: Jackson | Jan 22, 2008 11:07:40 PM

Clinton lying...really?
That doesn't mean Obama is the man.
Only RON PAUL can save us now.
but it won't be easy.
but he will try.
give PAUL a chance, shalt thou?

Posted by: srh | Jan 22, 2008 11:06:49 PM

The problem with the Clinton's is that they are lying. The problem with liars is that they do not keep their promises. What else are they lying about? They are not going to keep their campaign promises.

Posted by: dalittle | Jan 22, 2008 11:03:08 PM

Its so sad that Hillary has to lie, and cheat just to make herself look better then Obama. She need to worry about herself and let the people choose.

Posted by: Yoeff | Jan 22, 2008 11:00:37 PM

WOW! A 'journalist" for ABC actually exposing the Clintons' penchant for prevarication?! Where has he been for the past 17 years? I guess the inexorable lies of the Clintons only matter when those lies are about someone whose views the "journalist" actually prefers to those of the former president and his spouse, Norma Desmond.

Posted by: Thank God for Karma | Jan 22, 2008 10:49:24 PM

It's kinda funny that Bill Clinton would try to stress that he's a better President then Ronald Reagan considering every historical ranking of presidential success has Clinton trailing by (AT LEAST, alot of times more) 6 other presidents! Im just waiting for Bill to start comparing himself to God by saying, "Obama said I couldn't part the Red Sea," or some crap like that

Posted by: Ichiban | Jan 22, 2008 10:47:57 PM

I can't believe people are still bringing up the Obama "experience factor"; our current president has made extremely narcissistic decisions and hired people aligned to his own selfish ideology. Obama is nowhere close to that route of leadership, but I believe Hillary and George W. are much more closely aligned in corporate and selfish interests than Obama will ever be.

Posted by: JT | Jan 22, 2008 10:38:59 PM

What do you expect from the Clintons, who used Gloria Steinem as an agent to whip women into line in New Hampshire using classic appeals to identity politics.

The Clintons are every bit as mean spirited and dirty dealing as George W. Bush and Karl Rove. But, I guess that is OK when YOUR candidate is doing it.

If Hillary did not have an ex-president spouse, and was a man, her campaign would have sunk last November. She would have been Bill Richardson without the resume.

Posted by: Mike timmons | Jan 22, 2008 10:37:52 PM

Sue, your statement of sending men into battle and all of them coming home is 100% incorrect, perhaps you should check your facts as well. Clinton on several occasions sent our troops into area as "peace keepers", i.e. Bosnia, Serbia, Mogadishu and the list goes on. NO, not everyone came home alive, and that was mostly due to the lack of support of the military by the Clinton administration. No I am not Clinton hating, it’s the trust in this regard and you can look it up yourself.

Posted by: Aaron | Jan 22, 2008 10:35:54 PM

Clinton never lies.. thats not possible

Of course he never had sexual relations with that woman..
Of course he never inhaled...

Model of integrity...

Posted by: John | Jan 22, 2008 10:34:31 PM

great article, thank you for coming forward and bringing to light the strategy of the Clinton Political Machine. Yeah, the 90's were good times, but very little of that had to do with the Clinton Administration. I was there, and remember the lies, deceit, and free ride that they had. Sure it was a good economy, but it was booming more from our country's natural growth fueled largely by the tech boom. Which blew up by the way, much like the housing market today. 10 years from now we will be booming on something else, lets stop giving the Clintons credit for what wasn't theirs.

Posted by: Dan | Jan 22, 2008 10:25:08 PM

Wow! Thinking journalism!

More, please!

Posted by: mb | Jan 22, 2008 10:23:24 PM

"Plus, Clinton never sent a man into battle who didn't come home alive."

Ever hear of Somalia?

Everybody makes mistakes. We should be picking the one we think will make the least, not talking out of our rectums.

Posted by: Esdotto | Jan 22, 2008 10:22:42 PM

How's this for a "fairy tale?" "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Ms Lewinsky."

Posted by: snegoorichka | Jan 22, 2008 10:21:11 PM

Hillary Clinton is EVIL period.

Posted by: The Dark knight | Jan 22, 2008 8:34:45 PM

I don't know who "Alex K" is, but he's either a liar or a fool. His phony Hillary Clinton quote is actually from David Duke. I can only hope he's just a Republican troll trying to make trouble. The right response to HRC's falsehood is truth, not more falsehood.

Posted by: Mark Kleiman | Jan 22, 2008 8:27:54 PM

Isn't the phrase "party of ideas" generally considered praise? If so, Obama's use of it implicitly meant the "party of good ideas." Similarly, challenging conventional wisdom is usually considered a good thing, suggesting bold new ideas supplanting tired old ones. It's simple logic, Jake, not, as you seem to prefer, another Clinton lie. Obama seems to suggest that it was only after we gave these "good" ideas a chance that we found out how bad they were. Any Democrat at the time could have told you they wouldn't work, because we'd seen this movie before (can you say Reaganomics?) If this is not what he meant, then he's not a clear thinker -- after all, why applaud ideas that are bad, or challenge conventional wisdom with bad ideas? -- nor a clear speaker.

Posted by: Sue | Jan 22, 2008 8:25:42 PM

Naomi, I don't know how old you are, but do you remember the year 2001?
When Bush assumed power, America's biggest problems were:

How do we best spend the Clinton budget surplus?

Clinton had Saddam contained.
Clinton had North Korea contained and Iran was not a threat.
We had one attack on the homeland and those people were caught and sent to prison.
Plus, Clinton never sent a man into battle who didn't come home alive.

We also had the best economy in our history, but somehow, you are
convinced that She'll make decisions stupidly, like a Bush instead of smart like a Clinton.

That seems crazy to me.

Under Clinton we had the best America ever.
It'd be a shame if we lose the chance to get that back.

Posted by: Janet Mcgrady | Jan 22, 2008 8:05:22 PM

I am fed up with this pattern of Clintoning lying and powergrabbing! Do we really need another 8 years of dynasty politics! I am so angry.

Stop trying to get a third term Bill. No more Clinton lies!

Posted by: Naomi | Jan 22, 2008 7:40:42 PM

Where was Jake during the last two presidential elections?
Did he lament the swiftboating? The demonizing of Kerry? The constant fabrication of fear-and-smear from the Right? Hell no!

Posted by: Wil Burns | Jan 22, 2008 7:27:22 PM

Jake, Obama not only does he talk about hope -- a lot -- he talks about the
importance of talking about hope. He talks about how he hopes to talk more about talking
about the importance of talking about hope.
He touts unity the same way. If we all buy into his "message of hope," he explains, then everybody
-- blacks and whites, men and women, Republicans and Democrats, lions and gnus, bears and park
rangers, Superman and Lex Luthor -- will be united! Obama speaks and says NOTHING!

Posted by: Wil Burns | Jan 22, 2008 7:19:42 PM

thank you. that was refreshing.

Posted by: atanayat | Jan 22, 2008 7:13:29 PM

It is shocking and depressing to see how many people in these comments think that dictionary definition lying is all a part of the system and is perfectly fine and fair. The first part may be true, but the latter never will be.

Posted by: derek | Jan 22, 2008 7:11:16 PM

Wow, a journalist that doesn't simply parrot back the candidates' spin. Finally somebody gets it that objectivity isn't simply allowing both sides "equal time" but in being an observer who puts the truth first.

Posted by: Michael Blackburn | Jan 22, 2008 6:56:44 PM

I'm glad you mentioned these slants, someone needed too. Great post :)