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Romney's Fishy Delegate Claim
January 09, 2008 10:28 PM
Why is the former Massachusetts governor telling folks that he leads in delegates?
In Boston today, Romney told supporters, "we have more delegates than any other Republican candidate running for president."
Here's the ABC News GOP Delegate Estimate:
Huckabee - 31
Romney - 19
McCain - 7
Thompson - 3
Hunter - 1
Giuliani - 0
Paul - 0
According to my pal, ABC News' John Berman, the count the Romney folks have is:
Romney - 15
McCain - 12
Thompson - 3
Huckabee - 2
Hunter - 1
Giuliani - 0
Paul - 0
Explains Berman, "the way they are doing this is by simply not counting Iowa. They say that Iowa's delegates are not technically committed through the caucus process, and so, instead of extrapolating how the delegates would be apportioned (which is what media, such as ABC News and the Associated Press, do) they just pretend like Iowa did not happen."
I hope Mr. Romney was better with the numbers when he was at Bain.
-- jpt
January 9, 2008 | Permalink | Share | User Comments (34)
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Can someone tell me just who these people are? I would like to find a listing of names and states for both dems and gops of the individual delegates and who decides who they are.
Posted by: Nancy Graham | Feb 6, 2008 3:47:19 PM
You REALLY need to do YOUR research on this - you're really off with your numbers babe...
Posted by: Kate | Jan 23, 2008 12:25:28 PM
Mitt 59
Huck 40
Mccain 36
Sorry Huck Fans the math is still
kicking your butt eh?
Posted by: sport | Jan 22, 2008 8:40:10 PM
What do you all think now that MITT has won Michigan??? Pundants?? Are you out there??? GO MITT!!!
Posted by: Clint | Jan 16, 2008 12:21:20 AM
liberal media is trying to skew the results. The facts were that Romney had 30 delegates. It's not debatable.
It should be illegal for people to post lies.
Posted by: Doug | Jan 15, 2008 10:22:48 PM
What Gov. Romney has been repeatedly quoted as saying since NH is that he has gotten more VOTES for the Republican nomination than any of his fellow candidates. With a win in WY as well as strong second-place finishes in IA and NH, no one should be able to dispute this fact. And considering how Mr. Romney is leading in MI(61 delegates) and NV(32 delegates), it is downright irresponsible for anyone to assert that Sen. McCain is the Republican "frontrunner." Perhaps others having posted here are correct that members of the liberal media do not want to see a Reagan-conservative such as Mitt Romney run against one of their ultra-liberal candidates! As for the rest of the race, if Mitt Romney wins MI (as it looks like he will), and NV (as it also looks like he will), then he will place high in SC and do very well on "Super Tuesday" on his way to winning the Republican nomination. Too bad for Sen. McCain!
Posted by: Ty | Jan 14, 2008 11:02:55 PM
Gov. Romney's "new math"
In addition to this, Romney's math has also been "creative" in the area of taxes. He criticizes Huckabee for raising taxes 500 million in his 10.5 year term as Governor....He admits he raised taxes and fees 240 million in his 4 year term as Gov. If someone could pass him a calculator, he would realize that 240 million over 4 years would work out to be like 630 million. 130 million more than Huckabee. Even a first grade math teacher knows that you can't compare 4 years tax and fee growth to a 10.5 year period without some adjustments.
Posted by: Tim | Jan 10, 2008 7:46:25 PM
Romney Also has received more votes than any other candidate. . .I wonder why they don't mention this fact when they are telling us about how Romney is losing. It's amazing that some article are actually trying to say that Fred Thompson is a legitimate candidate until SC, or that Rudy Guliani is a legitimate candidate until Florida, but somehow Mitt Romney is out of the race because he didn't win IA and NH. He's the only guy in this race, other than Ron Paul, perhaps, who has the where-with-all to keep going until a win is mathematically impossible. Losing IA and NH makes the campaign more expensive for Romney. . .Thats all. Stop the spin!!!!!!
Posted by: Fox | Jan 10, 2008 4:30:36 PM
And just imagine how well the government and our economy will flourish with Gov. Romney's "new math" if he is elected. Or is this merely a case of "what you don't recognize doesn't matter?" In either situation, it looks like a simple case of political spin to me.
Posted by: chuck | Jan 10, 2008 2:36:35 PM
"Romney 342, Huckabee 7, McCain pi, Thompson 56, Giuliani 41..."
I was willing to rule out McCain, but anyone who can muster an irrational number of delegates has my support!
Posted by: Gullyborg | Jan 10, 2008 2:22:12 PM
Even from a single source, the numbers keep changing. The current count at CNN shows Romney 24, Huckabee 18. Unless Huckabee wins Michigan by a healthy margin, Romney probably will still lead according to the CNN count after Jan. 15. The real key is going to be Super Tuesday, and I think it would be silly to count out any of the top four candidates before then.
Posted by: gfe | Jan 10, 2008 12:58:01 PM
Michigan is NOT winner take all -- it is by Congressional district and then the winner of the most delegates get three more.
No delegates were awarded in Iowa -- they elected delegates to their County conventions who pledged to support a certain candidate but that pledge is NOT binding.
Only delegates awarded so far have been Wyoming and NH both of the states lost half their delegates by RNC directive due to moving up their caucus and primary.
Where is anyone getting these numbers is what I would like to know? Does the media not understand the delegate process in Iowa or the fact that RNC pulled delegates from States or that Michigan is by Congressional district?
Posted by: Samantha | Jan 10, 2008 12:30:39 PM
Also: check out most news headlines for Rommey. Most news is only about him pulling ads in FL & SC but zilch about the 5 million Mitt raised after the NH primary went to McCain yesterday. The Romney campaign had a press release on this but yet if you Google it nothing comes up.
ABC buried the news in their negative that reads "Mitt Romney's Last Stand". Of course they've been predicting his last stand since the start.
Then look at how the headline for Huckabee, it reads "Huckabee's SC and Michigan strategy".
A media reporting center a few weeks back said that Mitt Romney is getting the most negative news coverage on the GOP side and Huckabee is getting the best.
When in reality, conservative news outlets have been reporting multiple, serious charges with Huckabee's past record. Which btw, he destroyed state computer hard drives after he left office to squash further information getting out.
Huckabee is a dirty politican but is getting a halo effect MSM news coverage but yet that hasn't turned into huge campaign contributions.
Even after Huckabee's win in Iowa he only raised 350,000.....an amazingly low number.
And don't let the media think it's just because he's got rich friends, it isn't.
Most people when they part with their money, it's usually because they believe in something or want something.
The difference in Romney and Huckabee's money intake should tell the voters something that the media is trying to supress.
Go Mitt! There are alot of us who want you to win this thing in states that haven't reached you yet.....keep going!!
Posted by: sheryl | Jan 10, 2008 12:26:05 PM
A few days ago the MSM had Hillary quitting the race because a Iowa Caucus and a fictional defeat in NH. Now suddenly they discover delegates matter?
Posted by: geevill | Jan 10, 2008 11:56:04 AM
Bill Mitchell and others have it right here folks, as does CNN.
It's ABC that's wrong! and MSNBC, probably counting 30 from Iowa to Huckabee when in fact he's only won 17 there and Romney picked up 12 from Iowa and Thompson/McCain 3 each. Iowa isn't winner takes all!
Notice also that McCain's victory yesterday only gave him 7 delegates and Romney's Wyoming win gave him 8! (plus he picked up 4 from NH. Brings McCain’s win into true perspective doesn’t it?)
But Michigan is winner takes all.
Posted by: Charlie | Jan 10, 2008 11:55:30 AM
It is amazing, but not unsurprising, that ABCNews could actually report something before doing ANY background research. What a bunch of idiots. Of course Romney is ahead, any way you count them. This is incredible.
Posted by: Richie Rich | Jan 10, 2008 11:26:01 AM
Hey you think the way the Republican divide their delagates is mind numbing take a look on how the Dems do it!!
Oh and Please Stop ignoring Fred Thompson!!
Posted by: spock | Jan 10, 2008 10:21:58 AM
Slick Mitt just won't admit that he is losing. He can't explain why he is spending millions and losing, and his competitors are being frugal with there money and winning. It would be nice for once if the man could just tell the truth.
Posted by: H&C | Jan 10, 2008 10:14:53 AM
According to the Green Papers website, the current delegate tally is:
Romney - 21
Huckabee - 14
McCain - 12
Thompson - 8
Paul - 4
Uncommitted - 2
Giuliani - 1
Hunter - 1
These are how the delegates have been divided per the Republican state parties in the three states that have voted so far. The discrepancy could result from one of two factors: 1) like the Democrats, the Republicans make certain members of the party automatic delegates to the convention (some of these "Unpledged Delegates" may have already announced a preference for one of the candidates) and 2) the national party has penalized both NH and WY half of their allotment of delegates for holding a primary before Feb 5; the national party may still allow the full complement of delegates to go to the convention, which could result in increased delegate totals.
The unpenalized delegate totals would be:
Romney - 33
McCain - 19
Huckabee - 15
Thompson - 11
Paul - 4
Uncommitted - 4
Hunter - 2
Giuliani - 1
Either way, I don't see how anyone can accuse any candidate of playing loose with the delegate totals, because, at this point, there just isn't any way to call them on it because of how the delegates are awarded by the national and state parties.
Posted by: Brett Champion | Jan 10, 2008 10:09:56 AM
How the heck does Huckabee get 30 delegates?
He got 17 in Iowa (it's a "proportional" state folks, not "winner-take-all") and 1 in NH.
That's 18, not 30!
Romney got 12 in Iowa, 8 in WY and 4 in NH. That's 24. Plus he has 6 more in these weird "pledged delegates" which I don't even pretend to understand.
The IDIOTIC thing that ABC is doing is giving ALL of Iowa's Delegates to Huckabee!
Iowa is a PROPORTIONAL STATE you idiots! Look it up!
Posted by: Bill Mitchell | Jan 10, 2008 9:27:01 AM
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