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Bill Clinton: Obama 'Literally Not Part of Any of the Good Things' From the 1990s
February 15, 2008 6:43 PM
ABC News' Sarah Amos reports that former President Bill Clinton -- despite myriad promises he would stop assailing his wife's opponent given how it has backfired on her -- upped his harsh attacks today in Tyler, Texas.
"There are two competing moods in America today," Clinton said. "People who want something fresh and new -- and they find it inspiring that we might elect a president who literally was not part of any of the good things that happened or any of the bad things that were stopped before. The explicit argument of the campaign against Hillary is that 'No one who was involved in the 1990s or this decade can possibly be an effective president because they had fights. We're not going to have any of those anymore.' Well, if you believe that, I got some land I wanna sell you."
ABC News' Sarah Amos is traveling with the former president and transcribed his comments.
For the record, in the 1990s, Obama was a civil rights attorney, community organizer, and was in the Illinois state senate.
Presumably, by "any of the good things that happened" in the 1990s, Clinton is referring to the things he did as president (except for the ones his wife now distances herself from, such as NAFTA).
Sometimes, it sure feels like the former president's defense of his legacy gets in the way of his campaigning for his wife.
- jpt
UPDATE: Obama campaign spox Bill Burton tells ABC News in response, "It appears that the man who once told us 'Don't stop thinking about tomorrow' has changed his tune and is now singing 'Yesterday' everywhere he goes."
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It would be naive to imagine that voters who looked at the Clinton years as prosperity and unity years would not want a return to that prospect. It may not be former President Clinton's personality that drives the entire Clinton machine as a shadow influence but the sense of security felt then that is absent now, and that many feel is impossible to attain through an Obama win simply for the factor of race which has always been devisive in America. Without a truly solid race-blind win, the likelihood of Obama delivering a term of peace and prosperity seem slim. That no President elected may be able to produce that outcome is a real possibility, and that may be the fear and uncertainty that increases the division within the party, and helps to polarize it toward one or the other. What Bill or Hillary or Obama want may be irrelevant to voters who prefer a fighter in the White House for their interests rather than against them as they perceive they have had in George W. Bush. That is the change they want, and the prospects that Hillary can deliver it before Obama can deliver must be considered high simply because her husband delivered it.
Posted by: Pat | Mar 17, 2008 12:33:45 PM
Is having an affair with Monica Lewinsky one of those "good things from the 1990s" that Bill is speaking of??? What a hypocrite, both he and his wife need to learn a lesson in humility.
Posted by: LiesLiesanddamnedLies | Feb 27, 2008 3:03:39 AM
Before Hillary makes any more speeches, will someone please tell her that bobbleheads are out?! These are just collector's items from that past...just ask Bill.
Obama '08
Posted by: Sherrie | Feb 21, 2008 6:02:58 PM
I was able to go graduate school and get a good paying job in mid-90's. I can't imagine how bad economy has been gone and how high health care insurance rate is. we are four with one girl and boy; even with 6 figure income we can't balance our check due to cost of health care and uncertainty of job.
I don't pray to God very often but since Hillary is running for president; i pray every day that she is our next president.
I checked Voting record and work history of Edward, Obama and Hillary, I found Hillary's resume most appealing. American will have to pay big price if Hillary is not the nominee from democratic party.
If you have not voted vote Hillary!
Posted by: Uma, mpls, MN | Feb 18, 2008 12:32:14 PM
It is amazing to see how determined some people are - Americans, yet - to bring race and gender into this election. It is amazing because most Americans are - male and female - mutts - that is, people that are of mixed heritage and ethnic backgrounds.
Instead of posting only certain sentences from Mr. Obama's book that don't explain what he was really trying to say - why don't you 'research' the scientific term - 'melatonin'? Melatonin is the chemical that makes different people's skin - different colors. It makes white, olive, and yes, darker - skin color - and the amount of melatonin a person has - is determined by their DNA - before they are born.
In his book, Mr. Obama said that as a very young child, he lived in many different places, but he ended up being raised in Kansas by his mother and his grandparents. He's as 'American' as any other American - and he apparently struggled with the question of 'who am I'- in the same way that every young woman and man - is expected to do at a certain age.
Whites in America - are responsible for treating people with different skin colors as 'lesser' individuals and - African-Americans have been killed at the hands of white men in this country. Has the country changed - or not? And should one speak out about the backward thinking involved in racism in America - or remain silent? Racists - represent the worst that American has to offer - to ourselves - to our sons and daughters - and to the world.
In America - we are all equal - and if you are biased against someone because of their race, heritage, or gender - maybe you should ask yourself - 'why'? 'Why would I believe that someone is 'less' than me - because of their color, gender, or heritage?' Did someone teach you to think that way and if they did - were they right? I wish you the best of luck in figuring out - that Mr. Obama's color - has nothing to do with his message - a message that invites everyone - to work together - to better the state of our nation.
As best I can tell, Mr. Obama is about change and trying to move the country forward. Any one who is still seeing color or gender in America today - doesn't truly understand the meaning of the word - equal.
Racists - don't speak for me - and they shouldn't be permitted to speak for America - either. You have the right to have your opinion - but you should also expect to hear from those of us - who do not - agree with you.
Posted by: redcat | Feb 18, 2008 12:16:38 PM
I just want to make two things clear.
One>>> If ms.Clinton get the nod there will be another Republican in the White House in 2009 They will tear her apart with all the dirty laundry she carries with her.
Second how she can win????Step aside>>>>>>simple answer.
Posted by: Honesty. | Feb 18, 2008 11:09:10 AM
You know, it's time to come together as a country an allow people of other ethnic cultures to run this country as well. Just ask yourself, would you be this way if the canidate was hispanic, jewish,chinese american, japanese american, korean american. Are people still sleeping? This is 2008., get over it already. The United States of America is now a mixing bowl of all nationalities and it is something we're gonna have to get use to. All of our youth seem to be more mature then senior peers. It's sickening. What is so sad is that our children today are dating others children of different nationality simply because they love each other and our future is just that. So come off the racial divide because it is not just offensive to the people of race it is a slap in the face to our youth who could care less about race. Believe me just because you have some years on you and you may be over 50-60 does not mean that you are more intelligent or experienced then someone in there 40's. So i'm gonna disagree with the earlier comment that's it is offensive to have someone in their 40's run for President. Anyone can be what ever they want to be, they just have to inspire to there desire. If you ask me with the amount of parents out there that don't know how to do their own childs Algebra, geometry, or trig, please don't talk about experience. most parent's are so busy working to keep this country afloat that they don't even have the time to parent, only to become a friend to their child instead of a parent and then get ran over by there kids, please wake up people who has time to ponder racial issues. I BELIEVE IN OBAMA ANDI COMMEND EVERYONE WHO AGREES THAT THE TIME FOR CHANGE HAS COME.
Posted by: 4honey9 | Feb 18, 2008 9:35:57 AM
It is always about you, Bill. What position did Ms. Hillary Clinton hold in your administration? Secretary of State, Defense Sec., Sec. of Finance? What? Explain.
What I remember about the 1990s is spending about $80 million of taxpayers’ money to define the word ‘is’ or “I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Monica Lewinski”; all the while knowing you were lying. I also remember the infamous blue dress, Paula Jones and the other women.
Many Americans wish to forget those, Mr. President.
Posted by: Kizeem | Feb 18, 2008 1:34:28 AM
What I love about America the most is Freedom of Speech and of our own opinion.
As you know There is always a lot of bashing between the candidates.& realizing that if Hillary were a man she would be commended on her strategy for her campaign. I too was mesmerized at first with The new candidate & his speeches. Then I did some research. So after all of that. And listening to the Ads. I will leave you with a few links to go to and let you form your own opinion. And then I want you to let the people of your town and your state where the primary is going to be held what you know. One of the web sights has over 250,000 people who have made statements. I have personal quotes. & a weblink where you can here what his minister from his church has to say on Sundays. Knowing that we do not have much time, I think the American people have the right to know before the other party embarrasses him.. Which they will and are starting to. Thank you for your time.
S.L.M.in PR,Ca.
A middle working class with 2 jobs working to pay that bad sub-prime mortgage putting her kids through college. I think the American people need to read the fine print before they vote...
(no http) www.freedomsenemies.com
scroll down to where it says Barrack Obama) and then Click on that) over 250,000people have spoken
(http://sweetness-light.com/archive/a-message-of-hate-from-obamas-pastor-via-youtube)
Make sure you listen to all of this
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HERE ARE SOME DIRECT QUOTES FROM BARRACK HUSSEIN OBAMA...
From Dreams of My Father, " I FOUND A SOLACE IN NURSING A PERVASISVE SENSE OF GRIEVANCE AND ANIMOSITY AGAINST MY MOTHER'S RACE". (Barack Hussein Obama)
From 'Dreams of my Father', "The emotion between the races could never be pure, even love was tarnished by the desire to find in the other some element that was missing in ourselves. Whether we sought out our demons or salvation, the other race (WHITE) would always remain just that: menacing, alien, and apart." (Barack Hussein Obama)
From Dreams Of My Father: "That hate hadn't gone away," he wrote, BLAMING "WHITE PEOPLE — some CRUEL, some IGNORANT, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives." (Barack Hussein Obama )
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Posted by: SLM, Pr. Cal. | Feb 17, 2008 9:24:31 PM
Dee, let me ask you this - why would Barack Obama associate himself with the likes of Tony Rezko? They had a nice little real estate partnership and Tony's probably going to be spending seveal years in federal prison for all kind of improprieties. This story briefly popped up in a debate when Hillary called him on it, but of course the main stream media quickly came to Obama's aide and choose to ignore the story. It will come back to haunt him in the general election, the Republicans will make sure of that. If Rezko opens his mouth and talks then it will the beginning of the end for Obama.
Posted by: Jim | Feb 17, 2008 7:24:07 PM
One of the things that surprises me most about the comments from Clinton supporters is, “They can’t understand why this guy (Obama) is still in the race?” The Clintonites have been touted as having a well oiled machine. Well Obama maybe running his first presidential campaign and is doing quite well. Seems as though the Democratic Party has a dilemma on their hands. The party is split down [old democrats] and [young democrats]. The party was so heavily invested in the’ Hispanic’ voters they overlooked the ‘white’ male. White males voted for Obama. The Clintonites dissed African Americans and then tried to make amends with the [Bill Clinton] road show in black churches. Black America was neither amused nor hesitant about breaking ranks with the Clintons. The damage caused by Bill Clinton was too much to overcome in the final days. The Hispanic vote only carried Hillary in California. Can Hispanics carry Hillary nationwide without the black vote? I don’t think they can and they know this. As the campaign moves on to the remaining states, the Clintonites have serious problems. Those of you claim that some blacks voted for Hillary. Yes! That’s true, but those were ‘older’ African Americans. The Clintonites were so focused on Hispanics they forgot about ‘White’ males. It’s a battle of the sexes, races, younger and older. Obama has managed to withstand some brutal attacks from the Clintonites and stood his ground. He surrounded himself with some amazing staffers and strategists, with a forward thinking approach to resolving problems of a new America. This is a ‘sure’ indicator of what type of administration he would have. Way to go Obama, keep it cooking!
Posted by: dee | Feb 17, 2008 6:41:16 PM
[Ken] let me give you a little backstory on the Mayor, Antonio Villaraigosa of Los Anngeles. Last year he was found to have been involved in a very public scandal with a television reporter that was covering him. He had an affair with her outside of his marriage. So I say again to Clintonites, why would you let a man like him speak for Hillary knowing the history of her husbands trouble with infidelity? Why would you surround her with someone like that speaking on her behalf? He cheated on his wife. Villaraigosa has sat on the sidelines as Los Angeles has dissolved into a race war among blacks and latinos. He strongly favors illegal immigration which is a sore spot for African Americans. Another sign of poor judgment on the Clinton team having him as a spoken for her.
Posted by: dee | Feb 17, 2008 6:37:35 PM
What does a president do?
Is it not to sign document and travel?
Is it not an office job? Why can't a
half black half white man do it for
atlest four years for God sick.
Posted by: paul | Feb 17, 2008 6:13:30 PM
I will vote for Obama.
I was a republican. Voted for Reagan, Bush I and Bush II (first round).
Posted by: Mr. P | Feb 17, 2008 5:40:38 PM
Please..
Can someone please let me know what a LIBERAL IS?
IS THIS A PERSON THAT IS GREEN?
I WANT TO BE ABLE TO SEE THESE LIBERALS AT FIRST SITE.
AND KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY THINK ON ALL MATTERS.
PLEASE, PLEASE TELL ME.
I AM AN AMERICAN.
Posted by: Edward Strange | Feb 17, 2008 4:47:39 PM
It fascintes me how narrowminded and ignorant we Americans can be. Here we have a bunch of kids clamoring for "change"; kids with no responsibilities whatsoever except to apparently get up very early, search the web for provocative headlines and blog accordingly. The fact is anybody under the age of 30 was in no way involved with politics during any of the Bush I or Clinton years and as such have no frame of reference for wnating to change anything. As for the Bush II years, practically the same applies: if you are 21 now, how old were you in 2000? So what is this change you scream for? All the talk about Obama not voting for the war is convenient for him since he wasn't in Congress at the time. Anyone else who remembers Sept 11 and the atmosphere coming from Washington at the time knows that going against the war was almost like being called a communist in the 1950s -- not to mention the fact that Bush's approval ratings were in the 90s, which means that YOU -- Americans -- voted for the war too!!! Who among you had the guts to protest it at the time? Like a lot of us (and Hilary) you bought Colin Powell's story, and Rummy's and Cheney's and Rice's and Georgie's. So stop being a hypocrite now. Such loyal Democrats all of you: "If Hilary wins the nomination, I'm voting for McCain." Waah, waah, waah. "I just can't stand the way she's run her campaign." Waah, waah, waah. Here's a question for all you (white) Obama supporters: why is it you get so upset whenever Obama and Jesse Jackson's name are mentioned in the same sentence? Is it because you don't consider Obama black? Why does it upset Obama so much? Why does it upset Tiger Woods so much? Here's what I think of all you so-called liberals: If Obama came out tomorrow proclaiming black pride, you'd drop him like a hot potato. Bunch of phonies. Oh, one more thing: the Monica thing happened before Bill was elected a second time, so nobody cared then and don't now. Maybe those of you whose parents aren't already divorced should check and see how many of your moms and dads are cheaters.
Posted by: druggstohr | Feb 17, 2008 4:34:21 PM
Two mayors, Mayor Doug Wilder (black) from Richmond, Virginia and Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa (hispanic) from Los Angeles, were on "Face the Nation" this morning. What took place was a realistic picture of what is actually going on in the Democratic primary.
Both mayors were asked about various aspects of how the Democratic candidate would be chosen such as popular vote versus delegate vote versus super delegate vote and so on. Each was also asked about various aspects of the Clinton and Obama campaigns.
Initially, Mayor Wilder embarked on a rant about Bill Clinton speaking for all blacks. As evidenced by word and gesture, Wilder went on an unprovoked, racist, "anti-Clinton" dialogue
In distinct contrast, Mayor Villagairosa spoke calmly and professionally as he explained his view of the importance of looking forward and not laboring over minority division--perceived or otherwise. Villagairosa also gave examples and elaborated on national hispanic political participation and how color was not a key in most processes.
Mayor Wilder then proceeded to use the news show as an opportunity to plug Obama and to slam and minimize Hillary Clinton. In contrast, Mayor Villagairosa chose to positively support Clinton without detracting from Obama.
Then, Mayor Wilder went on to threaten that choosing a Presidential nominee other than Obama at the Democratic Convention would produce riots and civil chaos similar to that of the 1968 Chicago Democratic Convention.
After this, Wilder proceeded to downgrade and misrepresent Hillary Clinton's work on national health care. Mayor Wilder even suggested that Hillary intentionally ignored national health care as a Senator from New York.
Mayor Villagairosa politely disagreed and briefly presented the record of Hillary Clinton's work on national health care. However, Villagairosa did not even once have to down grade Obama's record to do so.
Villagairosa's demeanor contrasted to the racial threats of Wilder present a vivid and realistic picture of the choice Democrats must consider. And, the contrast of the two positions present some relevant questions.
Will the Democratic party be one where free speech is controlled by black censors who cry "racism" whenever a person of a different race dares to compare or critize?
Will the Democratic nomination process be threatened by specters of violence from thirty years ago unless the "golden child" of one minority is coronated?
And, will the media, when confronted by the threats of people like Mayor Wilder, begin to show something less than the mindless rhetoric of fear and intimidation?
Neither of these candidates were my initial choice, but after this morning I can definitely say:
NOBAMA, NO WAY, NO HOW!!!!!
Posted by: Ken | Feb 17, 2008 4:31:52 PM
To Jim:
You are missing the point; think outside of your own personal needle point thinking.
My comments were of "Shut Up" is an Irony. The Clinton campaign is saying just as you have that Obama is making empty promises.
The facts are the facts: Obama is telling us what will change this country.
Also I just watch the speech by Obama where he addresses the attack by Hillary on his message to true Americans of this country. The one item he speaks of is the comment by Hillary that Words do not matter.
I will vote for Hillary if she is the nominated candidate.
Posted by: Edward Strange | Feb 17, 2008 3:23:10 PM
The 90's Bill?? Oh you mean Monica Lewinsky. Yeah we remember. The good old days huh!
Posted by: Vixen | Feb 17, 2008 3:15:37 PM
You got to love liberal bloggers like Edward Strange who tell Clinton supports to "shut up". Isn't it ironic how the far left in this country is all for diversity of opinion and ideas as long as those opinions and ideas agree with theirs?
Edward (and the entire left wing of the party for that matter) is like a little child holding his hands over his ears and shaking his head in a fit of rage anytime some one says something they don't like about their candidate. Instead of welcoming debate and offering intelligent commentary, they tell their detractors to "SHUT UP". Well Edward, as a Hillary supporter myself, I encourage you to voice your opinions and let people make up their own minds based on the arguments of both sides. Another word of advice - stop being a baby.
Posted by: Jim | Feb 17, 2008 3:09:13 PM
Let's remind people of the not-so-good times during the Clinton's administration. So far, Hillary has:
Failed to reach out to the youth vote, yet she says that she "is" experienced. Failed to reach out to the smaller states, yet she says that she "is" experienced. Failed to conduct an early grassroots platform, yet she says that she "is" experienced. Failed to use current technology as a new force to get voters involved, yet she says that she "is" experienced. Should we revert back to the 90’s, so that we can redefine the meaning of the word, ‘is’?”
For those of you who do not remember Bill Clinton's presidency in the 1990's, he was almost impeached for lying under oath about having relations with his intern, Monica Lewinsky, and he narrowly escaped by redefining the word, "is." Read this excerpt from Wikipedia on what Bill Clinton told the grand jury:
"It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is. If the--if he--if 'is' means is and never has been, that is not--that is one thing. If it means there is none, that was a completely true statement....Now, if someone had asked me on that day, are you having any kind of sexual relations with Ms. Lewinsky, that is, asked me a question in the present tense, I would have said no. And it would have been completely true."
Timothy Noah, a senior writer for Slate Magazine went on to state, "Bill Clinton really is a guy who's willing to think carefully about "what the meaning of the word 'is' is." This is way beyond slick. Perhaps we should start calling him, "Existential Willie."
Sigh, the good ole 90's.
Posted by: D. | Feb 17, 2008 2:28:44 PM
The best thing Bill Clinton can do for the Obama campaign is keep talking. It only resurrects "the ick factor"- the sense that the Clintons are primarily political animals who have greater than average difficulties with the truth. Fair or not, those negative impressions matter, as do the positive ones that tend to follow Obama. Hillary's campaign must minimize the importance of Obama's ability to connect and inspire voters, as well as sell the idea that he lacks substance. They have no choice. But both of those claims are hollow, and making them only reinforces the Clintons' image as being creatures of politics more than principle.
Posted by: MShaughn | Feb 17, 2008 1:35:42 PM
Obama?!?...
- Only a short time as Senator from Illinois.
- Most accomplishments as a young lawyer and community organizer.
- Thinks he can change the country to make things better for those who are not getting a fair part of the American dream.
- Gives speeches that are full of promises for a better future and unity.
- Trying to move our government in a new direction?!?
Does all his hope, inspiration and promises stuff sound familiar?
Think about it and vote!!!
Posted by: TheAntManF | Feb 17, 2008 1:23:55 PM
First of all, Obama didn't vote for the war because he wasn't even in the senate at the time. He did not get elected unitl 2006! Secondly, he may state he was against the war from the beginning, but he has voted for every appropriation bill that has passed through the senate since he got there. If Obama is so against this war, why does he continue to give Bush the money to fight it? This sounds like more Kerry double speak to me, but instead this time it goes like - "I was against it before I voted for it".
Please, do not let this vote be an emotional one, but instead a logical one. Any Democrat voting logically would support Hillary Clinton.
Posted by: Mike | Feb 17, 2008 1:09:41 PM
Lots and lots of Dem will vote for McCain, if sweet talk Obama become nomanee. you can count on it.
Posted by: stopblackracist | Feb 17, 2008 1:00:51 PM
Obama was not a part of any good things happening in the 90's and God Willing, Obama will stay out of the 2000's and 2010's, so more good things will happen!
Posted by: PMC | Feb 17, 2008 12:28:58 PM
True Kris but no one can predict the future so who are any of us to say what will happen if Hillary wins. Im sure that many people were not expecting George Bush to win in Florida and I remember people disliking him. Now look at the future he is loved by many many Republicans. I personally believe many Senators should grow up and all work together..but like thats ever gonna happen.
Posted by: Katie | Feb 17, 2008 12:19:15 PM
True Kris but no one can predict the future so who are any of us to say what will happen if Hillary wins. Im sure that many people were not expecting George Bush to win in Florida and I remember people disliking him. Now look at the future he is loved by many many Republicans. I personally believe many Senators should grow up and all work together..but like thats ever gonna happen.
Posted by: Katie | Feb 17, 2008 12:13:17 PM
Kate, let's not forget that we have an institution in our federal government called the Senate, without the support of, nothing can get done. That's where the Hillary polarization will be most evident, outside of the high negatives that she has in the polls. Without 60 votes in the Senate, nothing gets done. It's not like the House, where the majority party can ram things down the throat of the minority. That means that if you have a polarizing person in the white house, as Clinton definitely is as evidenced by the Republican rhetoric against her and by the nearly 50% negative numbers that she polls at, nothing will get done. So she might sound like she can get everything done, but without working together, without the 60 votes in the Senate, NOTHING happens. Unless the democratic party wins a bunch of upsets in Senate bids this year, but right now, that looks like a pipe dream. We'll be able to get more done with a less controversial, less polarizing person sitting in the White House. Plain and simple.
Posted by: Kris | Feb 17, 2008 11:03:15 AM
The republicans are loving the obama game
Makes it far easier for them to win the Presidency
Posted by: seah | Feb 17, 2008 11:01:31 AM
I say wake up America
Don't be pumped up on False hopes and empty promises. A President needs to be able to do more than give you pipe dreams.
It is time for a Reality Check
Posted by: seah | Feb 17, 2008 10:57:31 AM
It appears that both Bill and Obama are birds of the same feathers. Neither of them really like to remember the ugly parts of their experience during the 90s.
Posted by: Shira | Feb 17, 2008 10:48:26 AM
Bill Clinton: "Obama 'Literally Not Part of Any of the Good Things' From the 1990s".
I wouldn't say ANY of the good things, but certainly SOME. It all depends on what your definition of "GOOD" is. I'm quite certain that Obama doesn't WANT to be part of some of the "good" things Bill Clinton did in the WH during the 1990s.
Posted by: definition time | Feb 17, 2008 9:21:06 AM
"Here Is A Wake Up Call"; These 2 Presidential Candidates here John McCain and Hillary Clinton, do alot of traveling around together.1 is a Republican, and the other a Demoract! We got a angrey Old man and a lady who talkes about not having Hope!
Posted by: Demo Rules | Feb 17, 2008 7:39:48 AM
Hillary says speeches and talk is cheap, and not to have hope in Politics? Wake up Americans this is a Presidential Candidate! So is she telling us not to have Hope amd Faith in voting for a President? I think she is! Come-On this is like having a stack of bricks hit you in the head! This Country was built on Hope;Hope, that there can be a better tomorrow! The Time for Change is now, and his name is Obama, he gives America Hope for a better Tomorrow!
Posted by: Demo Rules | Feb 17, 2008 7:17:42 AM
My profound appologies to Jason Wynguard and any others who may have been offended by my posting. I intended to only draw attention to concequences of getting caught up in the rhetoric of charismic people.he was indeed "white as a lily"and I totaly agree with you the sooner we can judge people purely on their character and substance instead of Biases (race ,gender etc.)the sooner we will truly be a united nation.
Posted by: webb armstrong | Feb 17, 2008 6:47:35 AM
Has anyone really looked at Obama's record? All I hear from Obama supporters is he's about "hope and change", he's "inspirational", of course he has specifics and positions just "check his website", his nomination and potential Presidency would be "symbolic". I totally understand the relevence and merit of hope, inspiration, change and symbolism
but I swear if I told the Obama supporters I personally know that Obama had made a statement that the first thing he would do in office is nuke Iran, I don't think they'd really care.
I have waited years to see the Democrats come up with a nominee who has charisma to the degree Obama has and who doesn't come off like he/she has the personality of a can of corn but there also needs to be substance.
All of Obama's attributes are important but so is experience. If you look closely at his record it's no more impressive than Clintons- his 6-7 times where he pressed the wrong button to vote and then could comfortable say " I voted this but meant to vote this"; his 140-150 "present " votes where he could do things like block anti-abortion bills but escape the political repercussions- hey, you're either on board or not, talk about a lack of political courage; his public scolding and good bill he came up with when one of his primary contributors Exelon, one the of the country's largest nuclear power producers, had leaks in their plant which outraged residents in the Illinois area and then he turned around and rewrote the bill to accomodate Exelon, the nuclear regulators and Republicans (that bill didn't make it through the Senate- he did the public scolding of one his largest contributors and can say he came up with a good bill and tout that in his speeches but then he turns around and tries to appease the other side at the expense of the resident's in that area; he comes out against going to Iraq before he's even in a position to vote and then we he is in the Senate he votes identical to Clinton on funding a war he didn't believe in or support with one exception, he supported the confirmation of Condoleeza Rice and she didn't; he votes against a bill that would have capped credit interest rates at a maximum of 30%, why?, because according to him 30% "was just a random number" and yet he says he's got the better interests at heart of those most vulnerable to predatory lenders being the young, the elderly, people of color and those struggling financially. You can throw all the crap you want out there about Clinton but Obama is no better- he takes less money from lobbyists (she acknowledges this while he talks like he's taken none- he took more than Edwards did) but he matches or surpasses Clinton if Corporate contributions from places like Exelon and financial insitutions like JP Morgan Chase. Clinton should account for her record but so should Obama and I'm sick of hearing everytime he's called to task how it's "negative" or "racist" and how when the Clinton camp brings up his record they're "attacking" but when Obama does it he's "suggesting".
Posted by: sue | Feb 17, 2008 5:37:39 AM
We are in this mess of 8yrs Bush term and all thanks to Bill Clinton. If he had not screwed Monica, lied under oath and caused all those dirty scandals, Al Gore would have won that election against Bush. What does Bill want us to do now? to vote for his wife and have another Clinton in power? Hell no, Hillary can't be our next president and the earlier we get this into our big heads, the better for we all. We got to sit up, think of where our economy is gonna be in the next 3 or 4 yrs.
Posted by: NWOKORIE GAANIHU | Feb 17, 2008 5:02:07 AM
Yes, Obama came out vocally against going into Iraq before he was ever in the Senate and could vote. A brave thing to do, no doubt, while in the middle of a campaign. Once Obama actually entered the Senate though where was his voice? He got in and supported unconditional funding for the war, his votes being identical to Hillary's with one exception and that vote was a pro-Bush vote. Obama broke with other Democrats, including Hillary, and voted to confirm Condoleeza Rice. He made no speeches in the Senate regarding Iraq until almost a full year after being there and then he asked for a reduction in troops without a timetable and in fact voted against an amendment Feingold and Kerry had with a timetable in place. He campaigned in 2006 for pro-war Lieberman rather than anti-war Ned Lamont. He made a statement that had he actually been in the Senate at the time of the vote, the vote he's pummeling Hillary about, that he really couldn't say how he would have voted having been given information that he was not privvy to while not in the Senate. His explanation for that statement today (and he acknowledges having made it) is that he was basically trying to make Lieberman feel good and justify his support of Lieberman. If you want courage and inspiration in regards to his stance on Iraq than real courage would have demanded he not vote to fund a war he felt was wrong and did not believe in. He never even came close to doing so. If he had his presidential aspirations would have been shot down because his not voting to fund the war would have been construed as not supporting our troops. So he's done nothing different than Clinton with the exception of having placed one pro-Bush vote she didn't and having spoken out about the war while she was in the Senate and he was not- but did nothing different afterwards.
Posted by: sue | Feb 17, 2008 3:48:42 AM
Let take a good hard look at Bill Clinton's detractors. First, there was Rep. Henry Hyde who was one of the nine representatives from the House who prosecuted President Clinton. Rep. Hyde had an affair with a woman for over 20 years while still married.
Then there is Newt Gingrich. He left his wife while she was suffereing from cancer and undergoing chemo therapy for a 27-year old woman.
Then there is Dick Morris, a clear Clinton detractor, who was fired by the Clintons when his affair was discovered. His wife did forgive him, and Mr. Morris stayed married.
During the height of the impeachment frenzy, a newly elected Speaker of the House had to resign because Larry Flint of Hustler Magazine revealed the new Speaker's previous infidelity.
Lets talk about George W. Bush. He AWOL from the Texas National Guard to go to Harvard B-school. He was also a lush for many years and had business relations with Salem Bin Laden.
Need I go on? The issue is that we all have our skeletons. I think that is time to sit at the grown ups table and acknowledge that people are not perfect.
Posted by: Don | Feb 17, 2008 2:59:04 AM
For Obama to vote against the war when most others including hillary voted for Iraq war, is enough for me to know who should be the country's leader. The most precious jewels of the country is her young men and woman and putting their lives in harms way should be the last resort, when all other means are exhausted-Obama understood this well and his judgement should be understood .
If enough people thought as Obama did then we would not have lost so many young American men and woman and so many innocent Iraqi citizens would not have been slaughtered. Obama's christian values guided him to vote as he did at the time when such a vote would have been considered highly unpopular
The American intention to do good for other countries is quite honorable,however it must be appreciated by the majority of the citizens for it to be meaninful. In any case charity begins at home and thats what I hear Obama's heart say-He wants to stop spending money in Iraq so that he could use that money to help the needy Americans. the rich and powerful will always be able to take care of themselves-and the rest of the Americans need Obama now.
'Yes we can'
Posted by: p. lochan | Feb 17, 2008 2:46:08 AM
Looks like Obama is just like the rest of 'em. Twisting words and using spin to make himself look good. What's that about change?
Posted by: BF | Feb 17, 2008 1:49:59 AM
Delegates aside, lets look at the popular vote. Throw out Michigan, not everyone's name was on the ballot. But they were in FL. So don't count the FL ballots but let the voters votes count for those whom they voted. 859,208 for Clinton and 569,604 for Obama. Add those to each respective tally and we've got 10,814,289 for Clinton and 10,594,548 for Obama (based on ABC News current totals). So who is has the most votes? Clinton. And this doesn't even count the people who DID vote for her in Michigan. Even if we were to add the other 40% uncommitted to Obama's tally he's still behind. But it's close. So it's fair to say that the race is far from over. And as for all the stories about super delegates jumping ship or voting to reflect the will of the constituents, then that should go for both parties. So in New Jersey and Arizona and Mass., where super delegates have endorsed their support for Obama (like Kerry and Kennedy), they should switch to Clinton, etc. Count FL...and count MI, not the delegates mind you, just the will of the people, (see numbers above) and what do we have ? It's not a tie. It's at least 50% + more in favor of Clinton.
Posted by: DL | Feb 17, 2008 1:45:24 AM
It's too bad the media has flocked to Obama and distorted the Clinton's tactics so badly. This reminds me of the Lieberman campaign in CT where the liberal challenger (Ned Lamont) whipped up the fanatic left to oust Lieberman. They had so much momentum going and eventually took Lieberman down in the primary. However, as is always the case, the mainstream voters rejected the far left liberal challenger in the general election (See CT election results for 2006 in which Lieberman won easily as an independent).
I consider myself to be a conservative traditional Democrat. My family is Democratic because of bread and butter issues, not because of divisive social issues such as gay marriage and abortion on demand. If Hillary loses the primary I will be voting for John McCain. Not to spite Obama, but because McCain is the type of mainstream Republican I can vote for. He is not your typical "country club" Republican like Romney is, and McCain can attract the so called "Reagan Democrats". Obama is far too liberal for my tastes.
Obama and his left wing coalition will lose in the general election just like they always do. He represents the modern day McGovern movement. It's a shame that Democrats are still repeating the mistakes of the past...
Posted by: Mike | Feb 17, 2008 1:37:05 AM
I stopped viewing channels such as CNN, MSNBC, and CBS due to their unprofessional reporting in the Democratic Presidential primary.
The aforementioned channels are in favor of Obama and very negative on Clinton.
When I used to view them, political analysis made by some Journalists were clear-cut that they are pro-Obama.
Politically, Obama is empty. There is a saying says, you can fool thousands, but not everybody. I say this to say that, he is not discussing his policies to voters, but using the slogans "Change".
Some of his followers are prounding that we should visit his website to view his policies. We want for him to discuss them because thay were written by experts, not him.
Posted by: Edwin | Feb 17, 2008 1:21:57 AM
Thank goodness that OBAMA isn't a part of the 90's! It was so tained by Bill's numerous affairs and whitewater and travelgate and failed health care plans and soooooo much more. Looks like they have let Bill off his leash though. He can say the things that Hillary can't. Problem is if Obama stooped to the same level and slammed Bill with EVERYTHING avaliable, they would then say what a horrible person Obama was being! The 90's> saw Bill Clintons empeachement and his being found guilty of perjury.
Posted by: Deanna G. | Feb 17, 2008 1:15:54 AM
For the first time in my life, I am actually engaged in an election in a real way. In the past I've gone out only to vote for the "lesser of two evils." This time is different because I have been truly inspired by Senator Barack Obama, and I believe that my participation in the political process will help to bring about change that leads to a better United States of America and world.
I cannot fathom the idea of another 4 years of the Clintons in office as they have lost my respect and confidence more and more throughout the primary process. This is due to the way they have campaigned and the research that I've conducted to solidify my personal endorsement of Senator Obama. I think the American people deserve better and we are in dire need of true change.
Yes, Mr. Obama my be 'untested' when compared to Senator Clinton, but I do not think that is a bad thing. I actually think it is good because he can be guided by vision rather than the way things have been and should be. Vision is the bedrock of change. While I believe strong and proactive planning is essential as well, I think the plans set forth by Senator Obama are strong and speak to the changes I'd like to see in key issue areas (health care, foreign policy, education).
Above all else, Senator Obama is building a movement and engaging people in the political process. His campaign style, energy and impact has been impressive and this is what I'd like to see go up against the Republicans this year. By building a movement and a powerful coalition, he is already creating change and expanding the base of Democratic support. I want to see this continued and I hope that the officials who make the final decision will take this into account and cast a vote based on who can win rather than who has been in Washington the longest. I believe Senator Obama can win because he has more cross-over appeal -- bringing over Independents and Republicans alike.
Finally, I want to say, that no candidate is perfect. I think both Senators Clinton and Obama have more to learn and can stand to change themselves as part of changing politics and policies. I, however, believe that Senator Obama has the greatest potential to change and be responsive and accountable to the people of the USA. I know that the energy I spend to get him elected will transcend into his presidential campaign and his presidency as I strive to be the best Democrat and citizen I can be. I have never felt this empowered before. I credit my shift to the message and example of Senator Barack Obama.
Posted by: Young Voter | Feb 17, 2008 12:47:17 AM
Im not sure if she polarizes the nation or not. The news likes to say she is. But I stood in line with about 700 other people just to go to one of her rallys. I believe that she could get alot done in congress if she was given the opportunity. Not to say that I don't like Obama its just very easy to say that "I will change things" than to actually change things. Im 23 years old and I know that I dont know alot of things about politics but I do know that deep down some experience matters and when I hear Hilary speak I feel confident but when I hear Obama speak I just feel hopeful and its a great feeling to feel that hopeful but when its all over I start to wonder "is this really going to happen" but with Hilary it feels like it actually can. But to each his own Im certainly not going to force a candidate on anyone I live in a republican town and I know how that feels :)
Posted by: Katie | Feb 17, 2008 12:39:21 AM
Bill Clinton's comparison of Obama's win in South Carolina to Jesse Jackson's win there is disingenuous because Obama's share of white votes, in particular white male votes (who'da thunk that?), has been INCREASING throughout the primary season, and he's bringing to the Democratic Party people who previously WOULD NOT HAVE EVEN PARTICIPATED. He's won in states with miniscule Black populations, too.
Clinton's comments were a cynical effort to dismiss Obama's win, as have been the recent comments coming from the Clinton campaign about the "insignificance" of Obama's wins in this nation's smaller states. The last time I checked, there were 50 states comprising the United States of America. I live in one of those states, Kansas (one of the reddest states there is), which went to Obama almost 3 to 1 during the Kansas caucuses. Kansas' African-American populaton is about 8 percent of the state's total population, yet Obama drew nearly 75% of those who attended the Feb. 5 caucuses. Since cloning is illegal and the old Chicago political machine is dead -- or at least still in Chicago -- there must have been a few non-African-American folks who thought Obama should be Democratic nominee for president in 2008. Oh, and by the way, Jesse Jackson didn't win in Kansas in either 1984 or 1988.
I'm a bit surprised that Bill is up to his old shenanigans again with playing the race card, especially after he said he would refrain from doing it, instead concentrating on his wife's strengths (of which there are many). I thought Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell, a Hillary Clinton supporter, had taken Bill's divisive baton after his comments last week that "Some white people aren't ready for a Black president," which enable racists to keep on keepin' on and allows them to cite a DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR FOR SUPPORT.
You know, if I were wearing a blindfold, I'd swear that Karl Rove was running the Clinton campaign because it has taken on the tone of the old reliable Republican "Southern Strategy" that got Reagan, Bush I and Bush II elected. Maybe Bill could do a "white hands" commercial for his wife or, since his hands are not clean given his role in this year's campaign, he could produce a commercial recasting Bob Johnson as Willie Horton.
I wonder if Bill realizes the potential damage he's doing to his wife, should she be the Democratic nominee this year. Black folks have been the ONLY reliable voting faction for Democrats since at least 1968 (some would say 1932). If Hillary is the Democratic nominee, then Bill's racebaiting may -- I would say should -- KEEP BLACK FOLKS HOME IN NOVEMBER. IF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY DOESN'T GET ITS USUAL 80-90% OF THE BLACK VOTE, THEN IT LOSES IN NOVEMBER. It's about time Blacks stopped letting the Democratic Party take us for granted, even if that means that John McCain is the next president.
Immediately after Iowa, I was leaning SLIGHTLY towards Obama. As a Black man, I considered what each candidate had to say about this nation's future (as I am still doing). But, for me, it's getting increasingly difficult to support Clinton because of her megalomaniacal, win-at-all-cost-now-and-be-damned-who-gets-hurt-in-the-long-term-including the-Democratic-Party campaign.
She says she's ready to lead from Day one. Her first job as president, should she be elected, might be how to bring Blacks back to the Democratic Party.
Assuming she'd want to do that.
Posted by: Save the Country | Feb 17, 2008 12:10:19 AM
It is amazing to see that Hillary is still standing toe to toe with Obama despite the vicious negative attacks(often unfairly personal)against her campaign from news/medias. With the race being so close between the two, it appeares Hillary is not so much hated by American people as news/media wants us to believe. She seems capable to be a strong leader and could be a role model for the women around the world. You Go Girl, we will be there to support you!!
Posted by: Herm | Feb 16, 2008 11:35:11 PM
Kate, you may be right about sexism and some people not wanting to vote for Clinton. I can't speak for everyone, as I only know my own reasons. I'm a man, and I'm very comfortable with women bosses. I've had 2 now, and I've never had any problem with it. My problem with Clinton getting the nomination is that nobody left in the race polarizes the nation as much as she does, as indicated by her "negatives." Nobody will polarize the Congress as much as she will. (Can't prove that, but I'm 95% sure.) Clinton getting the nomination means more gridlock in the federal government, which means that the work of the people isn't getting done. Instead of fixing Social Security or immigration, we'll be in gridlock at worst or playing games at best (like they did in the House the other day with holding H. Meiers in contempt instead of worrying about FISA.) I'm SICK of partisanship, and Clinton is the person who will most likely see that it continues. Part of that would be her fault, and part of it would be the fault of those that hate her so much.
Posted by: Kris | Feb 16, 2008 11:15:00 PM
UPDATE: Obama campaign spox Bill Burton tells ABC News in response, "It appears that the man who once told us 'Don't stop thinking about tomorrow' has changed his tune and is now singing 'Yesterday' everywhere he goes."
- You have got to hand it to Obama. What a great camapaign staff. They are so fresh and witty. There have been so many great things to come out of this campaign...I just love Obamacycle...started by great Obama supporters. Just one of the many reasons Obama is changing politics and Americas way of thinking.
Posted by: MichelleO | Feb 16, 2008 10:38:15 PM
Why all people post so much hatred here,do you think bill clinton has did nothing.
Before question his commitment see in yourself what you did for people.
You may prefer one person over other but dont hate a person who done so much for human community.
Offcourse mistakes happen from everybody so did from Bill clinton.
Tell me one thing how many people lost food due monica's scandal,no one.So why you give importance to such things.
If senator lost in election what the president has to do with that, the senator is responsible for his fate.If you analyse Obama's statement i can conclude that Obama Got elected because Bush is not doing good.Is this true, NO Obama Got elected due his ability so the senator's lost their post due to their inability so what bill clinton to do with that.
Posted by: Amaan | Feb 16, 2008 9:55:53 PM
Get back America - Black support of Obama took a dramatic turn after Iowa once they thought he actually had a chance. He had SC sewn up well before the primary - it started to change in Dec (go read the poll history).
The Clinton's went after Obama right after the Iowa caucus. Remeber the media twisted Bill's statements on Obama's position on the war (the whole "fairy tale" thing) to suggest Bill inferred his candidacy was a "fairy tale". He said nothing of the kind regarding Obama's candidacy, just his stance on the war. I'm sure you conspire to believe this was another one of those inside racial remarks to white America. Another media and Obama spin.
The facts are what they are, not something for you to manipulate for false spin.
So again, tell me what the lie was about Clinton referring to Jesse Jackson's victories in 84 and 88? If Obama got nearly 9 out of 10 black votes in SC and over 50% of the electorate was black then it sounds to me like Bill was making insightful political observation the media was too afraid to make.
Posted by: Jim | Feb 16, 2008 9:44:08 PM
True Kris very true. I would love for everyone to start working together. I also wish that presidential nominations like the one thats between Hilary and Obama wouldn't split the parties as badly as it does. Who knows the Hilary voters might come to hate the Obama voters and vice versa I do want a democrat in the white house. and also I can say that I am guilty of going to walmart for the cheaper dvd player...but karma got me and it broke in a few weeks. Heres hoping for less foreign trade no matter which person gets elected. Also sadly I cant help but wonder if Hilary causes so many people to be against her in the senate and congress because she's a woman I live in a small Texas town and have heard many men say how they cant stand her because they don't like the idea of a woman being over them.
Posted by: Katie | Feb 16, 2008 9:40:23 PM
OK, you think it's less evil to nominate a calculating, ultra-political, will-bring-out-the-conservative-vote, authorize-the-war Senator who has done almost nothing in 8 years, I think it's less evil to nominate a newbie Senator who snorted some cocaine and hasn't been in the Senate long enough to make much of a mark, but was against the Iraq war from the beginning. That's the rub.
Posted by: Kris | Feb 16, 2008 9:29:51 PM
....and Kris, I respectfully disagree and say that it DOES matter if a candidate has done cocaine in the past and now chooses to run for President. It is a lapse in judgement and shows one's CHARACTER........."past actions are a good indicator of future behavior", we say in the mental health community.....(before I am mis-read on this: I imply that a lapse in judgement is the action that will be repeated), in obama's case. Of course, NO ONE IS PERFECT. WE ARE CHOOSING THE LESSER OF 2 EVILS. Hillary is the best choice.
Goodnight, all......it was a pleasure blogging with all of you.......may the BEST candidate for the democratic nomination win. God/Allah/Buddah BLESS AMERICA.
Posted by: Get America Back On Track | Feb 16, 2008 9:24:54 PM
Katie, things in Washington aren't always as bitterly partisan as they have been in the last 15 years. It would be nice if the next President, whomever it might be, would try to work with the Congress. And I mean REALLY work with them; not just pay lip service to it. Ditto for the House and Senate. It's time for the federal government to get back to doing the business of the people and stop being so hardheaded and unyielding and therefore getting NOTHING DONE. Fix immigration. Fix social security. FIX SOMETHING! I'm sick of it, and a lot of other people are. The thing that bothers me about Hillary Clinton is that of the 3 remaining Presidential candidates, she is absolutely, hands down the one that would induce the most gridlock in the federal government. Republicans hate her, and a lot of Democrats hate her too. (What is it, a 47% unfavorability rating she has? That's incredibly high!) Not to mention that I have a problem with the Clintons and NAFTA. Stuck it to a lot of ordinary Americans in terms of jobs, regardless of whether or not they could buy a CD player at Wal-mart cheaper.
Posted by: Kris | Feb 16, 2008 9:21:55 PM
9 out of 10 blacks supported Bill Clinton, and nothing got said. I wonder why?
Posted by: awalker | Feb 16, 2008 9:18:44 PM
get America back, good for you and your masters degree. As I just said, though, you're missing the point. The point here is not splitting hairs over whether or not some shred of evidence is scholarly or not or whether or not cocaine may/does/can/will cause brain damage. ALL BESIDE THE POINT. The point is that Mr. Obama made some mistakes in his life, just as I have, just as you have, just like Bill Clinton and George Bush, just like EVERYONE has. The point is that there's no reason to pretend like this particular indiscretion should disqualify him or hamstring his e