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Carville: Hillary Must Win Ohio and Texas or 'This Thing Is Done'

February 13, 2008 10:33 PM

At a trade show in Orlando, Fla., today, where he and his wife Mary Matalin made a speaking appearance, James Carville, an adviser to Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., made a candid assessment of Clinton's chances.

"She’s behind," Carville said, according to the Orlando Sentinel (LINK). "Make no mistake. If she loses either Texas or Ohio, this thing is done."

The candor in the claim, even from Carville, is what might be startling, not the math. 

It's unclear if Carville knew a reporter was in the audience of thousands at the International Builders Show convention.

- jpt

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I'm not done yet..Racism is wrong from anyone! Are we supposed to give a presidential candidate a free pass because of race? if McCaine were accepting Donations and or endorsements
from Terrorist would ABC,CBS,NBC,CNN,sweep that under the
rug? Hell No! I am Proud to an American
no matter who is President!
The Black Panthers were/are Terrorist's
will Nat'l. News call them Insurgents
Define insurgent B4 911, Define
terrorist then and now, which
definition's apply now,and does change
because of geography? I thought not!

Posted by: Acie D. Dye | Mar 10, 2008 1:59:31 PM

It's now post-primary (post Vermont, Texas, Rhode Island and Ohio) and I stand with many people as an Obama supporter. Now more than ever, I'm convinced that he is the best person for the job as President of the United States. The old politics won't do anything to elevate America in the end and America can't afford a further downward spiral.

Posted by: VS | Mar 5, 2008 6:32:25 AM

I'm from Pa and I do not find that Pa is a sure thing for Clinton either. Ohio and Texas please think twice and please all vote. Senator Obama will bring this country together! He is our best shot to move on in the global economy and the new technological world we now face. We dare not and can not go backwards---our children need Senator Obama and so do we!!! Obama 08

Posted by: Chris | Mar 3, 2008 1:29:24 PM

Barack Hussein Obama is the biggest political fraud in this country's history, he has lied, cheated, denied and stolen his way through this process, IF AMERICA is STUPID enough to ELECT him to the highest office in the LAND the next terrorist attack will be well deserved to all of US! WE will have gotten EXACTLY the "change" that we signed on for! WAKE UP AMERICA before ITS TOO LATE!!!!

Posted by: Terri | Mar 3, 2008 12:16:17 PM

I love reading these forums. Its so enlightening. First of all Hillary being first lady shouldn't give her an edge. Hillary being a woman shouldn't either. This election should be about who will be a better president of our country, that is it, nothing less, nothing more. She doesn't have that much more experience when compared to Obama. He is not dirty, he is the realest politician this country has ever seen. The women are voting for her because of her gender. That is ridiculous. Obamas supporters are actually voting for him because they believe in him. Thats the truth of the matter. I am a 24 yr. old single mother of 2 and I'm voting for Obama. Feminists need to get off their high horse. We are recognized for our achievements and our goals. We have the same opportunities as men in this country. Thats not what this is about. If she could do so much good for this country, she would have along side of her husband in the white house. She is an insider and that doesn't credit her a nomination instead of someone else who is not an insider that deserves it. I pray to God, literally, that he sweeps her again in both Ohio and Texas. Then she will understand it can't take her name and use it against a candidate on the road to the white house. Maybe she will walk away dignified or keep her nose stuck in like a sore loser. That will do nothing for her country or her party. That is my hope, so that we can finally get behind one candidate and get on with the general election if the democratic party is serious about taking the white house after 8 years of Bush. We better get serious and decide or the republicans will take this election and for good reason. There can't be 2 nominees and one needs to duck their head and give the majority of the people what they are voting for and that is Obama. VOTE OBAMA 08!!!!

Posted by: Lydia V | Mar 2, 2008 9:18:51 PM

Anyone with any brains surely knows that the media is completely biased against Hillary Clinton. And its even more funny to see Texans' putting down the Clintons, look at your own Texan George W Bush and how big of a criminal he is... George W Bush will go down as the worse US President of all time. My children will be studying his stupid idiotic decisions when they are college....

Posted by: Beau | Feb 27, 2008 10:37:44 PM

dont forget superdelegates! and honestly look into barack and his wifes past. its dirty and money hungry. the (only) 2 years of being on the senate does not qualify him. he doesnt have a universal health care plan to cover EVERYONE and the hospital his wife is on the board of directors of is one of the very few hospitals (10 hopitals) left in the country that doesnt offer any financial help to poor patience. Also they charged uninsured minorities 3 1/2 more times what they charged white insured patients.

Posted by: tyler | Feb 23, 2008 3:24:53 PM

Hillary is done. She needs to win Texas, Ohio, and Pennsylvania to have a chance. So says Bill Clinton. She WILL win Pennsylvania easily, all right. Ohio will be close, and she will likely win. But Hillary will LOSE Texas. That's right. Don't be surprised to see the margin of defeat be eight points in the biggest prize of the night.

And that will be the final nail in Hillary's coffin.

Posted by: Dave from NY | Feb 21, 2008 3:33:52 PM

HILLARY HAS THE EXPERIENCE OF BIENG PRESIDENT BECUASE HER HUSBAND BILL CLINTON WAS THE PRESIDENT OF U.S.A. I LOVE HER THOUGHT AND SHE WILL BRING SOLUTION. SHE MUST HAVE FAITH IN GOD. I WISH SHE COULD READ MY NOTE, LOOK SHE CAN READ PHILIPPIANS 4:13 IN THE BIBLE IT SAYS " I CAN DO ALL THINGS THROUGH GOD." I'M LATINO I SUPPORT HER AND I LOVE BARACKA OBAMA SPEECH, BUT HE HAS NO WAY TO BECOME PRESIDENT. McCAIN IS A GOOD MEN AND HE WILL NOT WIN THE NOMINATION.LITTLE VOTE.I LOVE HUCKABEE A LOT, BUT HE IS HAS NO CHANCE TO WIN THE NOMINATION. SO ONLY HILLARY AND BARACKA CAN WIN THE NOMINATION.

Posted by: jasinto GIRON | Feb 21, 2008 2:52:40 PM


PulSamsara: "When judgment mattered most - Clinton got it dead wrong."

Ya Man. Either bad judgment or no courage to show her convictions. Either way is Bad.

Agmines: "How Can Hillary Run a Nation When Hillary Mismanaged Her Campaign?"

Dead Right. Seems that either Hills thought she was gonna inherit the nomination or she ain't no manager. Case in point - See HillaryCare.

Posted by: The Commander Guy | Feb 15, 2008 9:40:39 AM

When judgment mattered most - Clinton got it dead wrong.

We are still fighting in Iraq, spilling American blood and looting America's coffers. And Clinton helped make it happen.

Posted by: PulSamsara | Feb 15, 2008 7:17:35 AM

NEWS FLASH: Neither Clinton, Huckabee, McCain nor Obama has the experience to qualify him/her as president.

The political system of pitting one group against the other must come to an end to prevent a further downward spiral (lower ranks on education, quality of life, global status, etc.)of the "United States".

That 's why the ability to bring many different people together to one table is the key quality that I must use to determine who the best candidate will be. Obama is the only one out the four remaining candidates that has that quality.

I'm so happy and proud that the young people of this nation recognize this all-important quality in Obama and are coming out to vote in big numbers. Maybe some of the posters on this site might do well to talk to the young people in their life and gain some insight on how great the future could be with the best kind of political system: where everyone is included.

Posted by: VS | Feb 15, 2008 6:20:11 AM

Prefilinano - check your facts:

[ABC News, 5/17/07]: In fact, Obama's Senate voting record on Iraq is nearly identical to Clinton's. Over the two years Obama has been in the Senate, the only Iraq-related vote on which they differed was the confirmation earlier this year of General George Casey to be Chief of Staff of the Army, which Obama voted for and Clinton voted against.

Posted by: Catherine | Feb 14, 2008 5:57:08 PM

Well, Carrie, the statement accomplished its goal then

Posted by: SouthernBell | Feb 14, 2008 5:18:16 PM

Okay, maybe she made a mistake and voted for the war the first time. However, she continued to support the war after we where in. She continued to vote for the war, after we found no weapons. by this time, 30% of the American people where against the war.

Are we saying that 30% of the American population is smarter, on this issue, than the person we want to call commander in chief?

The senator from IL didn't vote for the war one time.

Posted by: Prefilinano | Feb 14, 2008 5:15:15 PM

I was on the fence but now she's running negative ads. We new she was running out of money. CNN's political team said that she would probally seek more debates because she would get free air time. Obama attended 18 debates already and is scheduled to attend 2 more. That would be enough anywhere, if Hillary wasn't strapped for cash. I think she mismanaged the money. Then turned around and blamed it on the Latina that was running the show, firing her last week, for no good reason other than that she was loosing.

Hillary isn't the real deal. The people in TX see right through her empty promises. I'm not gonna vote for her because she is loosing and wants me to feel sorry for her. That dog won't hunt.

The only way she could do it is winning most of the rest of the contests by 25 to 30 points, and there is not a single contest on the calendar left where any polls project her to win by those margins.

Now members of CNN's political team are saying that she must steal some of John Edwards speaches to get enough voters. She already sounding more and more like Obama. Complaining that she is a victim because, she doesn't do well in caucuses. Complaing that she can't get the crowd all wooped up like the Sentator from IL.

Stick a fork in her! She's done.

Posted by: Houston Democrat | Feb 14, 2008 5:06:55 PM

Geek Gurl

Da 2002 vote is used against her because she (and several other senate Dem's) decided to go with the public opinion polls rather than trusting their best judgment (and looking WEAK btw).

If there is anything Hills has tried to avoid it is looking WEAK. Remember Strong and Wrong beats Weak but Right.

On Hills biggest vote of her career, her Finger was in the air check to see which way the wind was blowing. And yes, so was Jon Cary and the Beck Girl.

So you got someone who has consistently backed (dare I say enabled) GWB43 on the Irak war from day one.

Hills always gotta finger in the wind. This is case in point.


Posted by: The Commander Guy | Feb 14, 2008 5:02:13 PM

I'm really tired of the 2002 vote to authorize the use of force against Iraq being used against Hillary. First of all, Barack Obama claims he was "against the war from the start." Conveniently, he was not even in a position to vote on this resolution because, oh yeah, he was not a senator yet. Secondly, read the roll call...77 votes for, and only 23 against. This was a sticky situation. Had Hillary voted against the use of force and we had been attacked again, everyone would be attacking her now for being soft. Voting to authorize the use of force is not the same thing as being "for the war". Hillary needs to clearly call Obama out on this. She attempted to do that in the last debate, but I don't think she made the point sharply enough. The evidence of WMD's in Iraq that was put in front of the senate at the time seemed overwhelming. No one, including Obama can claim the wisdom to have known that it would all turn out to be lies, partially propagated by the Iraqi government.

Posted by: geekgirl | Feb 14, 2008 4:48:03 PM

Ron Paul The ONLY Honest candidate!

Posted by: bjhe333 | Feb 14, 2008 4:38:30 PM

Hillary Clinton is very likely to win Texas. I even have Rep friends and coworkers who now support her. We have our yard signs up, wearing my Hillary for President shirt to Austin at a concert this weekend, and we're hosting a Hillary for President party here in Houston. She is clearly the most qualified candidate. I am in shock at how the media is in love with Obama... I can't believe my eyes. "Hope" is great, but it's not a strategy. We can't afford to send the country in to a tailspin. Please vote for Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: Meister | Feb 14, 2008 4:37:46 PM

How Can Hillary Run a Nation When Hillary Mismanaged Her Campaign?

The Texas and Ohio presidential primaries, have become required wins, hence why is she just opening campaign field offices in those states?

The primary in Pennsylvania, is crucial hence why is there is not enough money for his direct mail to voters?

Maine caucuses were the best for Clinton to win hence why did Obama, have better internet operations to energize its supporters and won by 20 points!

Clinton and her team put too much money on Iowa, New Hampshire, and Feb. 5 that they have been caught flat broke in the rest so far?

How does Hillary expect to unite a coalition when HRC made a tactical choice to omit several small states holding caucuses?

How can she run the Office of the president when HRC’s heavy misspending and low fund-raising show Hillary’s troubles by leaving the campaign unprepared after Feb. 5.

Hillary sent out 5 direct mailings in New York and California to only women not one to white or black males, is that the politics of unity or disassociation from selected groups?

On the other hand, in Idaho, Senator Obama’s campaign set up nearly a year before the Feb. 5 caucus with five offices and 20 paid staff members drawing 14,000 people to the Taco Bell Arena. Obama won Idaho by 62 percentage points and took most of the delegates. where was Hillary?

In Washington State HR Clinton, sent Senator Maria Cantwell, to drop by just before the caucuses, Senator Obama won Washington by 36 percentage points?

In Minnesota, Clinton allocated her diminishing assets to New York and California, at the very time, Senator Obama has created a new-fangled approach of campaigning, and Obama won Minnesota by 34 percentage points! In North Dakota caucuses, Senator Obama sends out a staff member there to begin organizing 11 full-time staff members, Obama won both states!

Hillary did not visit the state of Utah one time, is this Hillary’s way of saying they do not count in America anymore to her?

If white and black males, and young people as well as people in Utah, Idahoa and many other states, how can Hillary Clinton say she will be a President for everyone on day one?

Posted by: Agmines | Feb 14, 2008 4:32:06 PM

"A Clinton-Obama ticket would be a very good ticket for the Democrats."

Yeah, but they'd also have to merge the campaign staffs and that won't be easy. David Axelrod, David Wilhelm, Mark Penn and James Carville in the same team?

Don't expect any of those guys to throw in the towel if the bumper sticker says Obama Clinton 2008.

Posted by: DanielK | Feb 14, 2008 3:17:03 PM

As soon as Obama sews up the nomination he will be character assasinated just like the Clintons were. Welcome to swift boat nation.

Posted by: kumbaya | Feb 14, 2008 2:53:39 PM

not only that, but mathematically, since she doesn't plan on competing in any other state, she has to win 80-20 in those three states to pull it off.

Reality calling Clinton campaign -- not gonna happen

Posted by: Mark from NY | Feb 14, 2008 1:52:01 PM

He then added, "...thing is over...CAJUN STYLE!"

Posted by: Mike | Feb 14, 2008 1:24:32 PM

Go Hillary! I loved hearing DeeDee Myers state that it is still okay in this country to say anything you want about a woman. So true! Women need to take this whole experience and reignite the women's movement - we are so discriminated against and it is still okay. The media has been so unprofessional and biased in their reporting against Hillary. And then they say she is a bit defensive!??? Who wouldn't be with the bashing she gets no matter what she does or says, wins or loses. Obama needs to be investigated thoroughly- for the good of the country. Who knows anything about his personality even, let alone his policy, beliefs, track record.

Posted by: votetheissues | Feb 14, 2008 12:58:24 PM

Hillary won't walk across Texas that's for sure. There are many Texans who despise the Clintons.

I am supporting Obama. If Hillary, for any reason, appears on the November ballott then I will back McCain all the way to the White House. I believe Obama has the character and the unity this country is starved for. If the majority of democrats are too blind to see that, then I will have no choice.

All this experience talk about Hillary is really a joke. She is too polarizing and only cares about power.

What some pollsters are missing is the huge significance of us independents and cross-over republicans. We are probably a larger swing vote than Hispanics here in Texas. I don't think we will be supporting Hillary now do you?

Posted by: A Texas Independent Voter | Feb 14, 2008 12:09:56 PM

DanielK,

In a new Quinnipiac Poll released today, Senator Hillary Clinton holds a substantial lead over Senator Barack Obama in the key primary states of Ohio and Pennsylvania.

In Ohio, Clinton leads Obama by a margin of 55-34. According to the poll, Clinton holds a 26 point advantage among women and a 10 point advantage among men.

In Pennsylvania, Clinton leads 52-36. She holds a 20 point lead among women and a 10 point lead with women.

Also in Pennsylvania, Hillary Clinton beats John McCain by six points in a head-to-head matchup. McCain is tied, however, with Barack Obama in the state. Clinton also attracts more support than Obama against McCain in both Ohio and Florida.

Posted by: Pat | Feb 14, 2008 11:33:44 AM

In Case You Missed It: "Obama's (economic) plan. is the most shameless piece of potential plagiarism that I have ever seen. He basically took Clinton's words and Clinton's policies and called them his own. If I were a professor I'd give him an F and try to get him kicked out of school," said Kevin Hassett, Sen. John McCain's economic advisor and the Director of Economic Policy Studies at the American Enterprise Institute.

Posted by: Pat | Feb 14, 2008 11:24:58 AM

"...the Republican blogs urging moderates and independents to vote for Obama, whom they view as the weaker candidate?"

Regular readers of this blog know that I am a conservative Republican who is displeased with Sen. McCain being our nominee. I had hoped that the Republican National Convention would have been a brokered convention; and would have drafted Dr. Condoleezza Rice as our nominee. That will not happen. Sen. McCain will be our nominee. And I will suppport him. I am now hoping for a McCain-Rice ticket.

Having said that, I have no clue as to whether Sen. Obama or Sen. Clinton would be the "easier" candidate to face in November. They are both very formidable candidates. If Sen. Clinton pulls this out and becomes the Democratic Party's nominee, she WILL ask Sen. Obama to be her running mate. I really don't see Sen. Obama turning her down.

A Clinton-Obama ticket would be a very good ticket for the Democrats. It would unify the Democratic Party. BUT Sen. Clinton still has her many negatives that will be exploited in the general election. Not to mention the lawsuit (Peter F. Paul vs Bill Clinton, Sen. Hillary Clinton and the Hillary Rodham Clinton for U. S. Senate Committee) -- that the media refuses to cover-- that is pending in California. Google it!

On the other hand, should Sen. Obama win the nomination, his first choice might be to ask Sen. Clinton to be his running mate. But she will NEVER take second seat. Instead I would expect Sen. Obama to end up selecting Gov. Bill Richardson as his running mate. This, in my opinion, would be the very best ticket for the Democrats.

But an Obama-Richardson ticket is not without its problems. It may be difficult for Sen. Obama to overcome the fact that he has just three years of the U. S. Senate (and 8 years of the Illinois State Senate) under his belt, with most of the last year being on the campaign trail. Especially since we are at war, and he would be going up against a bonafide war hero. But unlike Sen. Clinton (who, by the way, only has 7 years of elected office experience), Sen. Obama is very charismatic and charming. He is a very inspirational speaker. Traits that Sen. McCain lacks!

Posted by: James Danley | Feb 14, 2008 9:53:52 AM

Yeah, She is looking about done to me. However, you never know what tricks the Clinton's have up their sleeve.

Posted by: Terry Reeves | Feb 14, 2008 9:35:24 AM

I'm not sure if we should listen to anything a Texan says, look what we got the last eight years. Anyone that voted for Bush twice really should sit this one out because of lack of common sense.

Posted by: Mike | Feb 14, 2008 8:03:21 AM

Texans remember the Clinton Crime Machine. They remember all the lies, the corruption, the Clintons' loathing of the military, how they trashed and stole from the White House. Texans know they don't need eight more years of that.

Posted by: Tell the Truth | Feb 14, 2008 7:40:02 AM

I can't see how Hillary is going to be able to stop the Obama Train. He has a lot of "MO" on his side right now and that train is going to pick up speed next week. I have nothing against Hillary I just think that Barack is much more what this country needs right now. Obama 2008!!!!

Posted by: Mike | Feb 14, 2008 7:07:56 AM

I am from El Paso and was at the rally for Hillary this past Tuesday evening. The energy there was amazing and everyone is still talking about her. We are a humble city but we are bursting with pride in support of Hillary. Don't worry ya'll, Texas is in the bag. Hillary's gonna cowgirl up and kick some butt!!

Posted by: Laura P | Feb 14, 2008 4:48:01 AM

When will the mainstream media take note of the Republican blogs urging moderates and independents to vote for Obama, whom they view as the weaker candidate? Surely the dramatic increase of Democratic voters in especially the Red states, where they are not likely to win, should arouse suspicion. I fear a repeat of the 1972 campaign when Muskie was knocked out by a Republican dirty trick. McGovern had captured the young, anti-war and hope-for-change vote and was blown out of the water by NIxon, who wanted to run against him as the weaker candidate. We need to implement change and to run against the experienced military guy McCain.. We need Hillary.

Posted by: IkdNcGovernDemocrat | Feb 14, 2008 4:40:29 AM

P.S. I am still voting for Hillary. I would never miss my chance to vote for a
woman for president. I will stick with her until a candidate is nominated in Denver in August. I am a Democrat and will support whomever is nominated to represent our party for president. I will vote for Hillary on March 4th, and if need be for Obama in November. So Be It.

Posted by: Bocona | Feb 14, 2008 4:17:11 AM

Joseph - Great article on Obama being so meek when dismissed by McCain and what we can expect if Obama has to go up against McCain. (hope it doesn't get that far).

With Hillary at risk, friends of mine in Texas are sending money to her campaign and making sure they vote. We Texan Democrats and Hillary supporters may be risk takers - but we are calculated & educated risk-takers. We believe Hillary has substance and strength and endurance and is competent. She is the only candidate who can credibly stand up to McCain and tough world leaders to best represent America's interests.

Skip the fluff and vote for substance - Vote Hillary in 2008.

Posted by: Carrie | Feb 14, 2008 4:14:53 AM

It ain't over, till it's over. Why is it that the news media is so quick to count Hillary Clinton out? I so sick and tired of all the pundits beating up on Hillary. Even she were to be doing well or great they would still be negative towards her and her campaign. Men do not want to see a woman president
It's that "Glass Ceiling" again.

Posted by: Bocona | Feb 14, 2008 4:09:24 AM

He was just stating the facts as we all know it. I'm Hillary -supporter but she needs to start winning again at some point to get the nomination.

The states for the past week were more Obama-friendly,where she really didn't stand a chance, but she has to win in Texas and Ohio (and Pensylvania)! If she doesn't, Obama's the winner and we'll just have to deal with that...

Posted by: Missmadeleine2002 | Feb 14, 2008 3:46:12 AM

Why couldn't the Democrats give us someone qualified to be president? Neither of these candidates has anything like the amount of experience required to be president. We have no choice but to vote for McCain.

Posted by: Doc Savage | Feb 14, 2008 3:03:23 AM

we texans tend to be strong and logical people, not fond of all hat and no cattle types like obama. bush was an aberration that won't be repeated. obama is just bush in a democratic costume.

Posted by: so saddened | Feb 14, 2008 12:58:31 AM

Former Ambassador Joe Wilson, husband of outed CIA agent Valerie Plame, posted an essay on the Baltimore Sun as to why he doesn't consider Obama to be ready to be president: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bal-op.hillary12feb12,0,94551.story

Posted by: Joseph | Feb 14, 2008 12:55:27 AM

I'm from Ohio and this is DEFINITELY Clinton country! Hillary Clinton is our girl !

Posted by: Shloh | Feb 14, 2008 12:48:25 AM

Carville's just trying to gin up Hillary's remaining supporters. It's what he does.

And yes I enjoyed the sarcasm of 'unclear', although you would have earned double points if you had worked in 'troubling' as well.

Posted by: Tom J | Feb 14, 2008 12:32:21 AM

Dear Everyone

Mr. Carville is essentially correct in his analysis. Please take the following into consideration:

Ohio is Clinton country – it has always been and still is – maybe with the exception of Cleveland east, Columbus central east and parts of Akron.

Texas is Clinton country – with the exception of Austin, parts of Dallas and the refinery area along the northern coast.

Pennsylvania – Clinton countryside – with the exception of parts of Philadelphia, Pittsburg, and other small enclaves

Indiana – (88 delegates) all Clinton territory of conservative democrats – with the exception of the 1st congressional district around the city of Gary (Lake County – not Porter County) and pockets around Indianapolis

Kentucky – Clinton – except for Louisville and some other small pockets

….

Need more?

Posted by: francis | Feb 14, 2008 12:23:22 AM

what? an honest statement from the master of the spinners? whats next, mark penn and howard wolfson fly to the caymans to play in huckabees band? another sign change is on the way- james carville tells the truth. lordy, the things im seeing just defy description

Posted by: jake | Feb 13, 2008 11:24:35 PM

I'm from Ohio-this is NOT Hillary country. I love the Gov, but I believe she has been calling in favors for endorsements. I think women are often better leaders than men-but not Hillary.

The latest shocker endorsing her was former ambassador and husband of outed CIA spy Valerie Plame, Joseph Wilson...he has been close to the Clintons in the past.

Obama seems to be the most favored. No problem getting folks to come out for him-women, blacks and whites. Lot of cross overs for republican women to Obama.

Too many republicans and democrats in this state who claim they will "never" cast a vote for Hillary. Some blame her for the war vote. She didn't do her homework. Most think enough of the Bush/Clinton years...Haven't we had enough of presidents who fail the people?

Sure Bill Clinton looks great-compared to Dubya. Insane No-shame McCain doesn't stand a chance. He should retire and get anger management for his poor decision making capabilities.

Posted by: captaincrunch | Feb 13, 2008 11:22:43 PM

I'd like some gossip from Texas and Ohio about Hillary's chances. Please, share your knowledge :-)

Posted by: DanielK | Feb 13, 2008 10:43:48 PM

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