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'Change You Can Xerox,' Indeed
February 22, 2008 10:24 AM
Hmmm. So there was some more back-and-forth on plagiarism this morning between the Obama and Clinton camps, as we wrote about earlier.
But now THIS VIDEO more clearly shows Clinton using language similar to that used by former Sen. John Edwards, D-NC, just recently.
Some posters below point out that Clinton took her shot last night at Obama's use of Patricks language -- "that isn't change you can believe in, it's change you can Xerox" -- and yet in the very same debate she used language similar to Edwards', proving rampant hypocrisy.
Of course, remember that the Clinton campaign has attempted to set a higher bar for her on the plagiarism front, claiming Obama's the one who makes his campaign about rhetoric.
Sigh.
- jpt
UPDATE: The Clinton campaign points out on its "FACT HUB" that this "I'm gonna be fine" construct is hardly the property of Mr. Edwards, having been used by great orators ranging from Lindsay Lohan to Fightin' Irishman Tom Zbikowski. Time to move on from all this, I think.
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The comments above are why this is the "Silly Season" in politics. You can scream all you want about what one side did, but you look Silly when your side does the exact same thing.
Don't level a standard of judgment upon another, as you yourself will be judged by the same standard.
Posted by: Mike | Feb 23, 2008 10:58:16 PM
All I can say is that plagarism is an offense that should be condoned... What will we be teaching our children? I agree, a few words is one thing and paragraphs are another.
The funny thing as I watched the speech given by Deval Patrick, it certainly had more punch than Barack Obama's delivery... Ready to move on?
Posted by: LG - PA Voter | Feb 23, 2008 11:13:44 AM
I'm dead serious. Let's really do this.
An Open Letter:
Please list all the Constitutional qualifications necesary to be President of the United States:
Then Please lists qualifications (in as exact manneras as possible) that one should have to be President (remember that these qualifications themselves must be Constitutionally permissible):
Now list the individuals that you know who have ALL of these qualifications:
Posted by: Thomas | Feb 23, 2008 10:24:33 AM
Clinton, 92: “The hits that I took in this election are nothing compared to the hits the people of this state and this country have been taking for a long time.”
Hillary Clinton, tonight: “You know, the hits I’ve taken in life are nothing compared to what goes on every single day in the lives of people across our country.”
Pot, meet kettle.
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INDEED! Well put. Not just one act of word borrowing, but two in the same response. She says people who base their campaigns on words shouls make sure the word are their own, well I think people who base their campaigns on parsing other people's words should take a hard look at their own rhetorical choices first.
Hillary, people who live in glass houses...
Posted by: There she goes again... | Feb 23, 2008 12:04:44 AM
I am working on about the seventh re-write of the adapation of a screenplay that I wrote to a script. Quite a few have helped. I got help with making sure that some of the dialague was worded exactly as women told me. I worked on changing sometimes just a few words as a producter took a red pen to the script.
The movie that you go to, the play that you see all had writers most of which never get credit - industry standard.
The night show that you watch on TV most likely has at least six writers none of which get credit.
The character is too wooden. Tighten up the ending. I got smapped at once. I had shot 75 feet of film. Cut! But it's the best footage that I've had. Cut! The rest on the editing room floor. Don't argue with me. Somethings work. Somethings do not.
After awhite it gets hard to determine what's original. If you are listening to a speech, chances are that much of it was not written by them and was influenced by interaction with the past.
Posted by: James Searles | Feb 22, 2008 11:11:56 PM
I challenge all Obama supporters to follow his lead. Attacking someone who believes in the same ideals as yourself is self-defeating. It is not the message; it is the messenger.
Posted by: joes | Feb 22, 2008 10:45:03 PM
There are two things that one may be sure of: change will come to pass, and each ending is a beginning. Never let another discourage you with what they think they know. Never let another tell you that you cannot achieve greatness. Never let another hold you back from attaining your dreams.
Posted by: joes | Feb 22, 2008 10:20:22 PM
Good point Joes. William D. Shakespeare wrote also "Too much ado about nothing".
Posted by: Mark | Feb 22, 2008 9:47:36 PM
I'm not sure Hillary will be fine. She looks awfully pissed off and nervous about this whole situation. Being upstaged by a Rookie young Senator, trampling upon her easy cakewalk to the Presidency.
I really hope Obama is able to secure this, I think her performance the other night can help. That Change You Can Xerox will work just as well as Mondale's Where's The Beef?
Posted by: Matt | Feb 22, 2008 9:47:24 PM
William Shakespeare (alternate spelling Shakesphere) wrote a little play named "Romeo and Juliet" The story had been around for years. He turned it into Poetry. Words are but vehicles that carry the dreams.
Posted by: joes | Feb 22, 2008 9:30:25 PM
Jim,That is not really true, I will vote for a woman president but not this woman, not anyone who have been in the whitehouse before.
Posted by: Mark Twain | Feb 22, 2008 9:15:04 PM
Obama_is_not_mlk_or_jfk,
Actually you're wrong most "educated" people do not agree with you. Hillary does well with people who DO NOT have a college education. Obama wins big with college eductated voters. I thought Hillary was supposed to be about substance. Where is the substance in her hypocritical plagiarism attacks? The Internet if full of examples of Hillary's plagiarism. She plagiarised Bill Clinton and Edwards in that very debate. Where is the substance in that?
Posted by: MowTin | Feb 22, 2008 9:07:03 PM
To Jimbo: Isn't the word grammar? Democrats have worked very hard to make this democracy democratic. So don't make us laugh by making us believe that Republicans are democratic! Now, we are getting silly. We Democrats think we are democratic, just as we think Republicans are republicanic. One group formed the democracy, and the other formed the Republic. Take all of this to the dictionary.
Posted by: georgia | Feb 22, 2008 9:03:45 PM
To alien: You hit the nail on the head. I have noticed the same pattern, even in the earlier debates. When he did not have sufficent or adequate words, he tried to paraphrase Hillary's answers as his own. It is evident he is not adequate on his own. He has to have someone else do the specifics and details, then he plays off them. No wonder he prefers to go on the stump to speak in lofty generalities that mesmerize this adoring fan club to believe he has real answers for real problems. Don't worry, Kennedy and Kerry can tell him what to do.
Posted by: georgia | Feb 22, 2008 8:50:13 PM
The way some Hillary supporters act, is the reason why she will never win a national election. It doesn't help her reputation or help her change her image when they act the exact way she is accused of being. And what they don't realize is, if they turn their backs on the fairly chosen democratic nominee, who outside of their small group will want to back her in any future election?
Posted by: brian | Feb 22, 2008 8:07:00 PM
For heaven's sake can we get back to healthcare? Thanks.
Posted by: Uzoma Peter Lane | Feb 22, 2008 6:54:00 PM
How can you even compare such a short comment used by many in everyday life with what amounts to a huge portion of someone else's speech? Why are the networks afraid to play the raw videos of Patrick and Obama for the country to see for themselves? Did JT get in trouble with executives? The article on plagiarism was clear and unfiltered. It was intelligent and honest reporting. The big networks mixed it up and diluted the speech copying so that Obama did not look vulnerable and slick. Even ABC failed to show the depth of the story, choosing to only show a blip of Patrick's video and merely commenting on Obama's copycatting in short segments. What you are reporting now is an attempt to equate the two and saying that all do it. Your premise does not compute. If Hillary or McCain had used Patrick's speech as their own, all hell would break loose!
Posted by: georgia | Feb 22, 2008 6:45:57 PM
If that many other people have used it, I suppose we could call it trite and hackneyed - ya think?
I know - how about a debate with the various speechwriters? they can argue about copying and attributions for a couple of hours, and the rest of us can just listen and learn. ;-)
Posted by: Tom J | Feb 22, 2008 6:34:21 PM
look, obama is wasting our time by bringing false hopes and making empty promises. when would you guys realize that he IS actually empty?! the very few moments when he did mention anything with substance last time was when he got to speak after hillary and directly borrow from what she just said, simply in a more beautified version!
come on, you can't root for someone for president just because he's cool, young, hip(and sort of brainless). get a homecoming king of that sort, not for president!
Posted by: sosicknow | Feb 22, 2008 6:30:00 PM
obama said "i will do whatever it takes to protect american people" last night-- this scares me. now i've been secretly questioning it for a long time, but he DOES sound like bush. he will do whatever it takes, including invading another country. check out his website and you will see he will send more troops to iraq....
Posted by: checkit | Feb 22, 2008 6:26:46 PM
Clinton's campaign galls me. She wastes American's time with a trite accusation of plagiarism, and then goes above and beyond her own accusation. It wasn't the first time. She's wasted America's time with her silly campaign. We need to discuss real issues, such as who has the better judgement, and is judgement more important than experience. Perhaps that's the point. If she distracts us with meaningless tripe, maybe we won't realize that Obama would make a better president: he has better judgement than she does, better legislative success than she does, he's better at working with people than she is, he pulls more people into the party than she does, he is not tied to the lobbyists like she is, .... Ooops, I wasn't supposed to notice.
Posted by: Matt | Feb 22, 2008 6:04:54 PM
Obama was on Law Review at Harvard. Clinton is a graduate of Yale Law. Plagiarism is a very specific and prosecutable offense. If a student copies from his friend's paper with permission or without, but passes it off as his own work, he's in trouble. If like his friend he quotes the Bible ("Send me," from Isaiah), he's not in trouble. When people use cliches or catchphrases such as "All fired up" it may be regrettable but it's not theft of intellectual property nor misrepresentation.
--A veteran journalist, surprised by what other journos don't seem to know but should.
Posted by: Anne | Feb 22, 2008 5:20:08 PM
obamaBOTS think that their boy is sitting pretty with all his empty speeches and policies taken mostly from Hillary herself... obama is a follower not a leader; he has taken most of Hillary's stances and policies that now people have trouble differentiating them. I hope the superdelegates vote their minds and don't follow the blind who are following the incompetent... Hillary has actual results that you can see, results that have been changing and helping millions of people; such as children, elderly, veterans, 9/11 rescue workers, disable children, adopted children, women here and around the world, young girls (Hillary is very wise with providing young girls options such as family planning and educating them, trying to cut down on abortions etc). Look at the changes and hope she has been bringing to those without a voice since she was at Wellesly, way before she was a Clinton, and way before she was in politics. She is an amazing woman who has been treated unfairly ONLY because she is a Strong, Intelligent Woman and most americans especially republicans fear this strong woman. I am very ashamed of being an american at this time in our lives; I hope that young girls around the world look at this incredible woman and recognize that if any woman could be president, it is this woman, Hillary Rodham Clinton...
Posted by: Muniz4Hillary | Feb 22, 2008 4:57:49 PM
Something that I haven't heard reported by the commentators - though some had critical comments about Clinton's body language - was Obama's reaction following Clinton's remarks. It seemed to me that he wanted to have the last word (more "me too's") but Campbell Brown immediately went into her closing effectively shutting him out. Then, during the ovation which I really felt was for her, he decides to get up, assists her (I wish he'd stop doing that.) and then proceeds to shake hands with the moderators/observers.
It felt like "I'm done, let's call this a night" and that he just didn't want her to have this moment.
Posted by: mass voter | Feb 22, 2008 4:54:43 PM
I agree with the very last tag to this article. Lindsey Lohan huh? Move on...
Posted by: irma | Feb 22, 2008 4:45:15 PM
Well-I feel Obama's last response weak, if being raised by a single mom,having his father leave when he was 2, and having a granparents raise him is a reason that you can be counted on in a critical situation or criis. Then so can most of america, my mother could have president then. It she was abandoned by both parent's at age 7 and raised by her aunt, she rose above adversity all her life and never acted or arrogant or felt owed that America owed her anything. She was proud to be an american until the day she died. So I find Obama answer credible or a reason he should be our Commander and Cheif. Plus he could only say I feel I am qualified by gave no instances of what makes him qualified-just like his whole campaign running on air. JUST you americans wait and see when we are faced with a crisis and your candidate does not know how to respond-a speech won't cut it. Just like the one he gave in 2002, he was not provided with the security information that the rest of congress had, and 77 congressman voted for the resolution (democrates and republicans). His rhetoric on this subject is old and in a what if scenario. Let's all start being realistic, his is status quo and if not worse, and will bail on those who voted for him. See how fast his rhetoric changes if he is elected.
Posted by: Puzzled | Feb 22, 2008 4:44:40 PM
I'll bet Xerox enjoyed the plug!
Posted by: Sally Galligan | Feb 22, 2008 4:41:40 PM
Obama is the most arrogant person I have ever seen.
Aside from that, he's extremely liberal on all his views, which isn't necessarily a bad thing but won't improve The States' reputation either.
Posted by: mervin23 | Feb 22, 2008 4:39:05 PM
Jake and all Media Sources.
Let's give credit where credit is deserved. The people at the debate last night were NOT APPLAUDING AND GIVING HILLARY A STANDING OVATION (remember the "boos" during the earlier part of the debate?.) THEY WERE DEFINITLY AND APPLAUDING OUR SOLDIERS FOR THEIR OUTSTANDING SERVICES THEY PERFORM FOR OUR NATION AND FOR THE HUGE SACRICES THEY HAVE MADE AND CONTINUE TO MAKE. THEIR STANDING OVATION WAS FOR THOSE INJURED AND MAIMED SOLDIERS WHO SERVED US HONORABLY AND SACRIFICED THEMSELVES TO SERVE US.
AGAIN, LET'S GIVE CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE: OUR BELOVED SOLDIERS!!
Posted by: NinaK | Feb 22, 2008 4:28:54 PM
The last gasp from a dying campaign. To Hillary Clinton's campaign - we shall see again in eight years. Adieus.
Posted by: Kizeem | Feb 22, 2008 3:04:33 PM
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Kizeem, I am with you on this 100%.
However, I hope we NEVER see the Clintons in the national political field again!!
Posted by: NinaK | Feb 22, 2008 4:21:35 PM
Everyone is talking about Hillary getting a standing ovation with her comments at the end of the debate. Please think again. I asked myself, how would I have taken what she said. Would I applaud Hillary or would I applaud our American injured and maimed soldiers? I WOULD APPLAUD THE SOLDIERS!! I do not believe the standing ovation was FOR Hillary; THE STANDING OVATION WAS FOR THE SOLDIERS WHO HAD SERVED OUR COUNTRY SO ADMIRABLY AND FOR THE SACRIFICES THEY HAVE MADE.
Posted by: NinaK | Feb 22, 2008 4:10:15 PM
The whole thing is silly. The back and forth is really silly.
If Obama had lost 11 contests in a row, party elders will be calling for him to concede for the good of the party. Nobody can deny that. That's hyprocrisy and favoritism. I want them to call her to concede. Lately the superdelegates have gone -2 for Clinton (Im not counting John Lewis) and +25 for Obama. Read the writing on the wall Howard Dean. Tell her it's over.
Here is the AP count of superdelegates. We all know Obama has +150 pledges, so it's over!
Posted by: Sarah | Feb 22, 2008 4:09:06 PM
Plagiarism and victimhood... and phony valedictories... are this scoundrel's last refuge.
Posted by: Mia T | Feb 22, 2008 3:50:03 PM
The Clintons are slash-and-burn experts. Their "plagarism" attack was exactly an attack of the worst kind. Nevermind that Hillary uses the same lines and themes as Mr. Obama and Mr. Edwards. Never mind that Hillary takes Bill's presidential successes as her own (funny how she does not take the ugliness and failures of their years in the White House as her own). The Clintons and their campaign were trying to pollute and undercut Mr. Obama. There is NOTHING the Clintons do without preplanning, EXCEPT on how to run a campaign! Talk about ineptness and chaos!
By the way, XEROX is a word of the the past (Has been for last 15-20 years). Today we have copiers and photocopies. Obviously Hillary & camp have not moved forward in the last 15 years.
Posted by: NinaK | Feb 22, 2008 3:07:52 PM
The last gasp from a dying campaign. To Hillary Clinton's campaign - we shall see again in eight years. Adieus.
Posted by: Kizeem | Feb 22, 2008 3:04:33 PM
"wasn't sure why he was taking notes when she was speaking at the end."
he did it to distract her because he is rude and arrogant.
Posted by: Brian Shuy | Feb 22, 2008 2:37:04 PM
wasn't sure why he was taking notes when she was speaking at the end. He had already given his response on "the moment that tested him most." Seems he would have just been listening to her response. But twice he did this.
Posted by: american2 | Feb 22, 2008 2:07:43 PM
Plagiarism?
Click up to Tapper's next story and read about some real Obama deception from last night's debate.
Better yet, read about it here:
"You know, I've heard from an Army captain who was the head of a rifle platoon -- supposed to have 39 men in a rifle platoon," he said. "Ended up being sent to Afghanistan with 24 because 15 of those soldiers had been sent to Iraq. And as a consequence, they didn't have enough ammunition, they didn't have enough humvees. They were actually capturing Taliban weapons, because it was easier to get Taliban weapons than it was for them to get properly equipped by our current commander in chief."
Asked about the story in the Spin Room last night, Obama strategist David Axelrod told the National Review's Stephen Spruiell, "that was a discussion that a captain in the military had with our staff, and he asked that that be passed along to Senator Obama."
Posted by: Ken | Feb 22, 2008 2:06:03 PM
Plagiarism? Really? No really? It's plain to see that EVERY politician participates is some form of borrowing rhetoric. The fact that this is even an issue is the product of a news media reaching for ratings in an info-tainment world, and a candidate desperate for delegates. The confluence of these two factors is sad indeed. Sad because it takes all us voters down a path where no substance can be found and no real discourse can be had. Anyone who believes that Obama is an empty vessel who merely spews great oration is biased or flat out ignorant. Anyone who believes that Clinton has not "plagiarized" herself is flat out ignorant. (As evidenced by her own campaign manager refusing to state catagorically that she never has) Come on folks get with it, get off it, and move on to something that matters, umm i dunno like whether Lindsey Lohan should have taken the Monroe photos or not......Geez sad indeed.
Posted by: Penny K | Feb 22, 2008 2:03:28 PM
Some of you Clinton supporters are incredible. Clinton accuses Obama of plagiarism but he's not even allowed to point out that she's borrowing language all over the place? You can do all the mental yoga you like, but Clinton's attack was lame and it failed. End of story.
Posted by: Joseph | Feb 22, 2008 1:59:50 PM
To me, the debate was won on the last question of the night. Because Barack has no more lines to plagiarized, he went back to telling the same old story on how his father left his mother when he was two years old and then raised by a single mother and grand parents. The same old and tired story he repeats in every speech.
Now, compare and contrast Hillary's response to that last question, and you will conclude that Hillary is clearly the person with more substance and ready to lead the country. She did not talk about herself, instead she focused on the American people.
In 2000, we made a mistake with George Bush and we are paying for it. In 2008, it looks like we are going to make another mistake.
Posted by: SO | Feb 22, 2008 1:50:58 PM
"Solutions you can Xerox. Ready to plagiarize on Day One!"
Posted by: H.I.L. Lyre | Feb 22, 2008 1:50:46 PM
Okay,
We can agree that Michelle Obama differs from her husband. She didn't plagiarize or steal the content of her thesis. Every bit of it is her own words, she did all the work, and she credits her sources when it is not.
So, why can't we read it? If there is no problem with the thesis, then why does Princeton University have it under lock and key until November 5, 2008?
Posted by: Ken | Feb 22, 2008 1:43:21 PM
Instead of focusing on how similar the candidates' speeches are, it might be worthwhile for all of us to focus on WHAT THEY'RE SAYING in those speeches. Then, the people who find Sen. Obama "all talk and no action" might realize the error of thwir ways, as well as those who find Sen. Clinton "rehashing the past" might also realize that they're not correct, either.
Posted by: chuck | Feb 22, 2008 1:37:05 PM
pause
Sr. Obama do you want to respond?
pause
Sr. Obama, "Well I do think actions speak louder than words.."
Posted by: american2 | Feb 22, 2008 1:33:40 PM
At least Mrs. Obaba didn't plagarize her thesis.
"Early on at Princeton, Michelle wrote, she was determined to "utilize all of my present and future resources to benefit the black community first and foremost."
Posted by: geevill | Feb 22, 2008 1:27:46 PM
Obama - "I've got to admit I give some good speeches."
Obama coughs.
audience applauds
welcome to sillyland
Posted by: american2 | Feb 22, 2008 1:17:26 PM
You have to admit that was a pretty clever line "change you can xerox" I actually chuckled and I like both of them. We democrats need to get over all this petty griping and band together or we will have another republican in the white house.
Posted by: Katie | Feb 22, 2008 1:16:09 PM
American have been sleeping for years. They have trouble to find a smart person in the system. Obama is kind of a person who has drive and new ideas for the nation. Old lady without enough energy will damage the nation. Obama should be in white house if God blesses America.
Posted by: Gordon Smith | Feb 22, 2008 12:58:40 PM
There are only 2 things wrong with this campaign, the style and the content.
Posted by: The Rodentman | Feb 22, 2008 12:57:41 PM
Yes, Jake, you are right. Time to move on from all this. SO MOVE ON already!
Posted by: prince | Feb 22, 2008 12:51:01 PM
Jay..
Stay out of the debate. If you are not American, than you are an enemy. I'll bet you probabally bleed green, and hate apple pie. Go get a chevy, drive it to the levy, then come back and talk some politics. You are making me vomit in my own mouth.
Slick...Hey man, did you get the same Freddie Mac ad on the upper right hand side?
Posted by: Might Jones | Feb 22, 2008 12:49:59 PM
Does HRC write all her own speeches? Does she credit her speech writers? I think not. And so what. "I am going to be fine" is plagiarism, give me a break. Oh, that is Stossel's line, I just committed plagiarism. Much to do about nothing.
McCain is going to pick on experience. That will work just as well as it did for Clinton. Some of the worst presidents have had the most experience. Some of the best, the least. People know that. They want a leader who can inspire and not divide. That is why both McCain and Obama are winning.
Posted by: Allen Edwards | Feb 22, 2008 12:49:20 PM
BLACK POWER
You just better start putting us in top managerial places, we gana share everything. We are no longer followers we will lead, just like in the music industry, sssssucker.
You earn top management, something you'll never understand. If a black is voted President, your ship will not come in, but will continue to sink out at sea.
Posted by: Mrwarmth51 | Feb 22, 2008 12:39:05 PM
Xerox Corp has spent lots of $$$$$$$ in court proving the word "Xerox" is not a verb. The courts, so far, have agreed with Xerox Corporation, regardless of the slang published by Webster's.
@ Mr Warmth again
Tell that to the "mindless" people over at Webster's that have put them in the #1 dictionary for America.
"Only by mindless people. Xerox and Google are NOT verbs."
Posted by: Mrwarmth51 | Feb 22, 2008 12:34:49 PM
I believe that a Woman will and could be the next president! But it has to be based on her own philosophy to galvanize Americans. I am an Afghan-American and have lived in this great Nation since 1980 and seeing Obama to reach so many across the board is incredible and only such person should be entitled for the "Presidency". As an American I will do my part. Go Obama!
God Bless
Posted by: Mansoor | Feb 22, 2008 12:34:43 PM
@ MA,
Oh really? So there's a difference between paraphrasing and plagiarizing? I think what you meant to say is that paraphrasing and quoting are two different things...but they are both still forms of plagiarism if not cited.
I think you should ask your College for a refund.
Posted by: Sandy | Feb 22, 2008 12:34:21 PM
I went to the "FACT HUB" that Tapper wrote about and found out some interesting FACTS:
"You've probably seen some of the news about the delegates it will take to win the Democratic nomination, including discussions about pledged delegates and automatic delegates, or so-called 'super delegates.'
There are a number of misconceptions about the role that delegates will play in this election, so we've launched a new website, the Delegate Hub, to help you cut through all the myths about the race for delegates. The three most important things to remember are:
1) A candidate needs 2208 delegate votes to secure the nomination with Florida and Michigan included.
2) After weeks of voting, the race is a virtual tie, with Hillary and Senator Obama now separated by little over 2% of all the delegates to the Democratic Convention.
3) Both Hillary and Senator Obama will need automatic (super) delegates to win the nomination.
Senator Obama has aggressively courted automatic delegates, while his campaign has simultaneously tried to discount their role in the process.
It's important that we respect the independent judgment of automatic delegates, who have the responsibility of casting a vote for the candidate they believe is best qualified to be president. And we want to make sure that they have a chance to hear from our supporters."
Judging from those FACTS, Senator Hussein Obama and Senator Rodham Clinton will both be fighting it out until August.
And, the projections for the Texas and Ohio primaries don't seem to indicate much "change."
Can they put McCain into the White House? Yes they can!
Posted by: Laughing in Kansas | Feb 22, 2008 12:33:40 PM
Obama isn't even just another politician elected in 2004 in his own words has spent the last three years running for the presidency. The math would imply that he has spent only one year devoting his time to being Senator. I want a president who has some real experience. Mr. Obama doesn;t cut it. ANother poster said Obama is another politician. Obama is worse than that just another. Obama is another politician who plagerizes becasue he doesn't have an orginal thought; who has blind ambition; is conceted to think that with virtully no experience he can be president; who uses the term community organizer like that is a role that qualifies you to be president; who thinks we the voters know what community organizer is; who waffles about talking to dictators by saying he might need and agenda; who thinks that dictators will become freedom of speech advocates becasue he talks to them; who thinks that he will bring right wing conservatives to his point of view because he has hope and becasue he can receipt others words.
Posted by: john hyderman | Feb 22, 2008 12:33:16 PM
As an Obama supporter, I am very ashamed at my fellow democrats who time and again slander Clinton. Her speech last night was extraordinary. Yes there were similarities to Edwards speech, but so what? The point she was making is a solid point. It is no different than the plagarism charges against Obama.
The bigger story to me is that Obama's camp then took out a press release claiming the plagarism. This is not something I like to see coming from my candidates camp of "change". I would hope Obama did not know about the press release and that he would denouce it immediately as it is definitely "more of the same" politics.
Posted by: Bisbo | Feb 22, 2008 12:32:22 PM
I was embarassed the last time the Clintons were in the White House, to say I was from ARK. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
Posted by: pat | Feb 22, 2008 12:31:50 PM
@ Mr Warmth again
Tell that to the "mindless" people over at Webster's that have put them in the #1 dictionary for America.
"Only by mindless people. Xerox and Google are NOT verbs."
Posted by: who cares | Feb 22, 2008 12:31:39 PM
@ Elizabeth,
Perhaps you should look up the word 'plagiarism' in the dictionary, because it's quite obvious you don't know the meaning. Oh, please, allow me...
pla·gia·rism
–noun 1. the unauthorized use or close imitation of the language and thoughts of another author and the representation of them as one's own original work.
Using one's thoughts and ideas, or as you say, 'similar words' is still plagiarism if proper credit is not given.
Both are not acceptable.
Oh, and the dictionary will help you learn how to spell the word, too.
Posted by: Sandy | Feb 22, 2008 12:31:20 PM
Obviously Jake Tapper doesn't know the difference between paraphrase and plagiarism. I feel sorry for him, maybe he never had a good enough college education.
Posted by: MA | Feb 22, 2008 12:30:16 PM
@ Mr Warmth.
Only by mindless people. Xerox and Google are NOT verbs.
Xerox is a verb. Just like "google" is. They've become so mainstream that dictionaries actually use them as verbs now.
Posted by: who cares | Feb 22, 2008 12:27:01
Posted by: Mrwarmth51 | Feb 22, 2008 12:29:42 PM
Re your update from Clinton's "Fact Hub":
Of COURSE, "Whatever happens, we'll (I'll) be fine" is a stock phrase. EVERYBODY knows THAT.
But Edwards used it as the "upbeat" of a 2-beat riff. It was Edwards's DOWNbeat -- "what's at stake is whether America is going to be fine" -- that made it uniquely his.
The resonance between Edwards's downbeat and Clinton's -- "I just hope that we'll be able to say the same thing about the American people" -- is what makes for the conceptual rip-off. And it's THAT that people are objecting to.
With her "Fact Hub" item, Clinton tries to blur the issue by providing 12 meticulously documented quotes, to rebut an objection no one is making, by proving what everyone already knows.
It's called protesting too much.
Posted by: horizonr | Feb 22, 2008 12:29:41 PM
Why is that Obama supporters accept her victory in the debate. Can you guys tell what Obama did to make you believe that he can handle the situation in america. Eloquent speeches and nice songs will not help you turn america.
Just think of a guy with out experience handling the NASA space shuttle? You may believe in him but will you employ him?
To all the questions of what he will do to turn, economy,iraq war? there were no answers, but he responds with issues, mother he met.
Clinton is right he is good public speaker and has no solutions
Posted by: dustinrizzo | Feb 22, 2008 12:29:13 PM
r u awake: I can see that you are an HRC fan. I hope that you vote many times in the up coming election.
Slick...
Do you have any idea what each candidate thinks about the mortgage crisis. Since you seem to have a large family, will your wellfare amount go up? You see, I got some investor properties, but some are section 9 stuff so I'm wondering what to do with them...
Posted by: Might Jones | Feb 22, 2008 12:28:41 PM
Sure you will, Ace....just like you lead the cities of America.
You people don't care about HRC, thats the fact. You only say you care becouse we are finally going to have a black President, get over it, "Resistance is futile; you will be asimilated" you will be part of our collective. Its about time we rule. We will show you how to lead with style.
Posted by: BLACK POWER | Feb 22, 2008 12:24:33 PM
Posted by: Mrwarmth51 | Feb 22, 2008 12:27:17 PM
Listening to the speeches and the debates of this primary/caucus season,
I get the clear and unfortunate impression that Hillary was packaged to run as another Bill Clinton rather than as herself. In the rare unscripted momments that she came through as her own self, she was truly impressive. If she could be her own self without the baggage of Bill and the naive make over by the strategists, she probably would have made it.
Posted by: John K | Feb 22, 2008 12:27:17 PM
@ Mr Warmth.
Xerox is a verb. Just like "google" is. They've become so mainstream that dictionaries actually use them as verbs now.
Posted by: who cares | Feb 22, 2008 12:27:01 PM
Sorry Elizabeth, but yuu are very clearly wrong.
Plagiarism is using someone else's words without attribution, whether it is word for word or not. People get thrown out of college for doing just that.
If you do not cite the author, and you use their ideas, that is plagiarism.
Changing the words around a bit is arguably more intellectually dishonest, because it tries to cover up the fact that you are borrowing someone else's ideas and not giving them credit.
If Obama is guilty of plagiarism here, SO IS CLINTON. On top of that, she is a hypocrite.
Posted by: BlueState | Feb 22, 2008 12:27:00 PM
M. Jones...
Now, its like 8 kids a 2 spouses, I'm, always claiming my share and a few more.
Lizzie: Plagarism can be stealing an idea as well. Who really cares about the plagarism, there are only so many ways that a candidate can say "I'm lying to you, elect me so I can screw you up your a__ and help the people who have helped me." Do you think that I can get a refund check sent to me in Canada?
Posted by: Slick | Feb 22, 2008 12:25:18 PM
You people don't care about HRC, thats the fact. You only say you care becouse we are finally going to have a black President, get over it, "Resistance is futile; you will be asimilated" you will be part of our collective. Its about time we rule. We will show you how to lead with style.
Posted by: BLACK POWER | Feb 22, 2008 12:24:33 PM
"Xerox" is not a verb. Someone please inform the esteem Mrs. Clinton.
Posted by: Mrwarmth51 | Feb 22, 2008 12:23:56 PM
One would think a journalist would know the difference between plagarism, and using similar words.
Plagarism is word for word, and made Biden drop out of an earlier presidential race when he used speeches from a British politician.
Similar words is invoking the ideas of another candidate in order to persuade that candidates voters to vote for you instead, and has been used for time immemorial in political campaigns.
One is acceptable.
Posted by: Elizabeth | Feb 22, 2008 12:19:50 PM
Slick...
$3600 bucks back? Is that like 10 kids worth of rufund? You go man.
Avid reader.. anyone can have some excel spreadsheet up on a website. If I could take the time to goto their websites, I would, but I'm busy blogging. I don't care about any policies per say, I want to know how they propose to pay for it, and what programs they are going to cut. I'm in he running for the astronaut that gets to goto Mars, so if that program gets cut its back to the unemployment office for me. policies and laws are a funciton of congress, war and budgets are from the presiden't office. Actually the president is only good for war making.
Posted by: Might Jones | Feb 22, 2008 12:19:24 PM
Oh, there will be a woman president soon enough. But it will be an extraordinary woman who makes it on her own merits, not a no-talent like Clinton.
This race proves just how much advantage it is being a woman candidate. Clinton has been given all sorts of leeway that no male candidate would ever get. Just imagine a man trying to pull that crying routine!
Posted by: f | Feb 22, 2008 12:18:56 PM
I couldn't have put it better, Cliff. I believe that this is a once in a lifetime opportunity (for those of us born after JFK)to have a person with the audacity to look square in the face of those who say he cannot and say,"Yes we can!" I will do my part mainly because I believe that he will do his part. As for Michelle Obama, For the first time in my life, I am really proud to be an America because of Barack Obama.
Posted by: Brian Goodwin | Feb 22, 2008 12:17:39 PM
JoAnne - I had to laugh out loud. Thank you for making my morning! Go Obama!!