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'Change You Can Xerox,' Indeed
February 22, 2008 10:24 AM
Hmmm. So there was some more back-and-forth on plagiarism this morning between the Obama and Clinton camps, as we wrote about earlier.
But now THIS VIDEO more clearly shows Clinton using language similar to that used by former Sen. John Edwards, D-NC, just recently.
Some posters below point out that Clinton took her shot last night at Obama's use of Patricks language -- "that isn't change you can believe in, it's change you can Xerox" -- and yet in the very same debate she used language similar to Edwards', proving rampant hypocrisy.
Of course, remember that the Clinton campaign has attempted to set a higher bar for her on the plagiarism front, claiming Obama's the one who makes his campaign about rhetoric.
Sigh.
- jpt
UPDATE: The Clinton campaign points out on its "FACT HUB" that this "I'm gonna be fine" construct is hardly the property of Mr. Edwards, having been used by great orators ranging from Lindsay Lohan to Fightin' Irishman Tom Zbikowski. Time to move on from all this, I think.
February 22, 2008 | Permalink | Share | User Comments (132)
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The comments above are why this is the "Silly Season" in politics. You can scream all you want about what one side did, but you look Silly when your side does the exact same thing.
Don't level a standard of judgment upon another, as you yourself will be judged by the same standard.
Posted by: Mike | Feb 23, 2008 10:58:16 PM
All I can say is that plagarism is an offense that should be condoned... What will we be teaching our children? I agree, a few words is one thing and paragraphs are another.
The funny thing as I watched the speech given by Deval Patrick, it certainly had more punch than Barack Obama's delivery... Ready to move on?
Posted by: LG - PA Voter | Feb 23, 2008 11:13:44 AM
I'm dead serious. Let's really do this.
An Open Letter:
Please list all the Constitutional qualifications necesary to be President of the United States:
Then Please lists qualifications (in as exact manneras as possible) that one should have to be President (remember that these qualifications themselves must be Constitutionally permissible):
Now list the individuals that you know who have ALL of these qualifications:
Posted by: Thomas | Feb 23, 2008 10:24:33 AM
Clinton, 92: “The hits that I took in this election are nothing compared to the hits the people of this state and this country have been taking for a long time.”
Hillary Clinton, tonight: “You know, the hits I’ve taken in life are nothing compared to what goes on every single day in the lives of people across our country.”
Pot, meet kettle.
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INDEED! Well put. Not just one act of word borrowing, but two in the same response. She says people who base their campaigns on words shouls make sure the word are their own, well I think people who base their campaigns on parsing other people's words should take a hard look at their own rhetorical choices first.
Hillary, people who live in glass houses...
Posted by: There she goes again... | Feb 23, 2008 12:04:44 AM
I am working on about the seventh re-write of the adapation of a screenplay that I wrote to a script. Quite a few have helped. I got help with making sure that some of the dialague was worded exactly as women told me. I worked on changing sometimes just a few words as a producter took a red pen to the script.
The movie that you go to, the play that you see all had writers most of which never get credit - industry standard.
The night show that you watch on TV most likely has at least six writers none of which get credit.
The character is too wooden. Tighten up the ending. I got smapped at once. I had shot 75 feet of film. Cut! But it's the best footage that I've had. Cut! The rest on the editing room floor. Don't argue with me. Somethings work. Somethings do not.
After awhite it gets hard to determine what's original. If you are listening to a speech, chances are that much of it was not written by them and was influenced by interaction with the past.
Posted by: James Searles | Feb 22, 2008 11:11:56 PM
I challenge all Obama supporters to follow his lead. Attacking someone who believes in the same ideals as yourself is self-defeating. It is not the message; it is the messenger.
Posted by: joes | Feb 22, 2008 10:45:03 PM
There are two things that one may be sure of: change will come to pass, and each ending is a beginning. Never let another discourage you with what they think they know. Never let another tell you that you cannot achieve greatness. Never let another hold you back from attaining your dreams.
Posted by: joes | Feb 22, 2008 10:20:22 PM
Good point Joes. William D. Shakespeare wrote also "Too much ado about nothing".
Posted by: Mark | Feb 22, 2008 9:47:36 PM
I'm not sure Hillary will be fine. She looks awfully pissed off and nervous about this whole situation. Being upstaged by a Rookie young Senator, trampling upon her easy cakewalk to the Presidency.
I really hope Obama is able to secure this, I think her performance the other night can help. That Change You Can Xerox will work just as well as Mondale's Where's The Beef?
Posted by: Matt | Feb 22, 2008 9:47:24 PM
William Shakespeare (alternate spelling Shakesphere) wrote a little play named "Romeo and Juliet" The story had been around for years. He turned it into Poetry. Words are but vehicles that carry the dreams.
Posted by: joes | Feb 22, 2008 9:30:25 PM
Jim,That is not really true, I will vote for a woman president but not this woman, not anyone who have been in the whitehouse before.
Posted by: Mark Twain | Feb 22, 2008 9:15:04 PM
Obama_is_not_mlk_or_jfk,
Actually you're wrong most "educated" people do not agree with you. Hillary does well with people who DO NOT have a college education. Obama wins big with college eductated voters. I thought Hillary was supposed to be about substance. Where is the substance in her hypocritical plagiarism attacks? The Internet if full of examples of Hillary's plagiarism. She plagiarised Bill Clinton and Edwards in that very debate. Where is the substance in that?
Posted by: MowTin | Feb 22, 2008 9:07:03 PM
To Jimbo: Isn't the word grammar? Democrats have worked very hard to make this democracy democratic. So don't make us laugh by making us believe that Republicans are democratic! Now, we are getting silly. We Democrats think we are democratic, just as we think Republicans are republicanic. One group formed the democracy, and the other formed the Republic. Take all of this to the dictionary.
Posted by: georgia | Feb 22, 2008 9:03:45 PM
To alien: You hit the nail on the head. I have noticed the same pattern, even in the earlier debates. When he did not have sufficent or adequate words, he tried to paraphrase Hillary's answers as his own. It is evident he is not adequate on his own. He has to have someone else do the specifics and details, then he plays off them. No wonder he prefers to go on the stump to speak in lofty generalities that mesmerize this adoring fan club to believe he has real answers for real problems. Don't worry, Kennedy and Kerry can tell him what to do.
Posted by: georgia | Feb 22, 2008 8:50:13 PM
The way some Hillary supporters act, is the reason why she will never win a national election. It doesn't help her reputation or help her change her image when they act the exact way she is accused of being. And what they don't realize is, if they turn their backs on the fairly chosen democratic nominee, who outside of their small group will want to back her in any future election?
Posted by: brian | Feb 22, 2008 8:07:00 PM
For heaven's sake can we get back to healthcare? Thanks.
Posted by: Uzoma Peter Lane | Feb 22, 2008 6:54:00 PM
How can you even compare such a short comment used by many in everyday life with what amounts to a huge portion of someone else's speech? Why are the networks afraid to play the raw videos of Patrick and Obama for the country to see for themselves? Did JT get in trouble with executives? The article on plagiarism was clear and unfiltered. It was intelligent and honest reporting. The big networks mixed it up and diluted the speech copying so that Obama did not look vulnerable and slick. Even ABC failed to show the depth of the story, choosing to only show a blip of Patrick's video and merely commenting on Obama's copycatting in short segments. What you are reporting now is an attempt to equate the two and saying that all do it. Your premise does not compute. If Hillary or McCain had used Patrick's speech as their own, all hell would break loose!
Posted by: georgia | Feb 22, 2008 6:45:57 PM
If that many other people have used it, I suppose we could call it trite and hackneyed - ya think?
I know - how about a debate with the various speechwriters? they can argue about copying and attributions for a couple of hours, and the rest of us can just listen and learn. ;-)
Posted by: Tom J | Feb 22, 2008 6:34:21 PM
look, obama is wasting our time by bringing false hopes and making empty promises. when would you guys realize that he IS actually empty?! the very few moments when he did mention anything with substance last time was when he got to speak after hillary and directly borrow from what she just said, simply in a more beautified version!
come on, you can't root for someone for president just because he's cool, young, hip(and sort of brainless). get a homecoming king of that sort, not for president!
Posted by: sosicknow | Feb 22, 2008 6:30:00 PM
obama said "i will do whatever it takes to protect american people" last night-- this scares me. now i've been secretly questioning it for a long time, but he DOES sound like bush. he will do whatever it takes, including invading another country. check out his website and you will see he will send more troops to iraq....
Posted by: checkit | Feb 22, 2008 6:26:46 PM
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