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'Change You Can Xerox,' Indeed
February 22, 2008 10:24 AM
Hmmm. So there was some more back-and-forth on plagiarism this morning between the Obama and Clinton camps, as we wrote about earlier.
But now THIS VIDEO more clearly shows Clinton using language similar to that used by former Sen. John Edwards, D-NC, just recently.
Some posters below point out that Clinton took her shot last night at Obama's use of Patricks language -- "that isn't change you can believe in, it's change you can Xerox" -- and yet in the very same debate she used language similar to Edwards', proving rampant hypocrisy.
Of course, remember that the Clinton campaign has attempted to set a higher bar for her on the plagiarism front, claiming Obama's the one who makes his campaign about rhetoric.
Sigh.
- jpt
UPDATE: The Clinton campaign points out on its "FACT HUB" that this "I'm gonna be fine" construct is hardly the property of Mr. Edwards, having been used by great orators ranging from Lindsay Lohan to Fightin' Irishman Tom Zbikowski. Time to move on from all this, I think.
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Clinton's campaign galls me. She wastes American's time with a trite accusation of plagiarism, and then goes above and beyond her own accusation. It wasn't the first time. She's wasted America's time with her silly campaign. We need to discuss real issues, such as who has the better judgement, and is judgement more important than experience. Perhaps that's the point. If she distracts us with meaningless tripe, maybe we won't realize that Obama would make a better president: he has better judgement than she does, better legislative success than she does, he's better at working with people than she is, he pulls more people into the party than she does, he is not tied to the lobbyists like she is, .... Ooops, I wasn't supposed to notice.
Posted by: Matt | Feb 22, 2008 6:04:54 PM
Obama was on Law Review at Harvard. Clinton is a graduate of Yale Law. Plagiarism is a very specific and prosecutable offense. If a student copies from his friend's paper with permission or without, but passes it off as his own work, he's in trouble. If like his friend he quotes the Bible ("Send me," from Isaiah), he's not in trouble. When people use cliches or catchphrases such as "All fired up" it may be regrettable but it's not theft of intellectual property nor misrepresentation.
--A veteran journalist, surprised by what other journos don't seem to know but should.
Posted by: Anne | Feb 22, 2008 5:20:08 PM
obamaBOTS think that their boy is sitting pretty with all his empty speeches and policies taken mostly from Hillary herself... obama is a follower not a leader; he has taken most of Hillary's stances and policies that now people have trouble differentiating them. I hope the superdelegates vote their minds and don't follow the blind who are following the incompetent... Hillary has actual results that you can see, results that have been changing and helping millions of people; such as children, elderly, veterans, 9/11 rescue workers, disable children, adopted children, women here and around the world, young girls (Hillary is very wise with providing young girls options such as family planning and educating them, trying to cut down on abortions etc). Look at the changes and hope she has been bringing to those without a voice since she was at Wellesly, way before she was a Clinton, and way before she was in politics. She is an amazing woman who has been treated unfairly ONLY because she is a Strong, Intelligent Woman and most americans especially republicans fear this strong woman. I am very ashamed of being an american at this time in our lives; I hope that young girls around the world look at this incredible woman and recognize that if any woman could be president, it is this woman, Hillary Rodham Clinton...
Posted by: Muniz4Hillary | Feb 22, 2008 4:57:49 PM
Something that I haven't heard reported by the commentators - though some had critical comments about Clinton's body language - was Obama's reaction following Clinton's remarks. It seemed to me that he wanted to have the last word (more "me too's") but Campbell Brown immediately went into her closing effectively shutting him out. Then, during the ovation which I really felt was for her, he decides to get up, assists her (I wish he'd stop doing that.) and then proceeds to shake hands with the moderators/observers.
It felt like "I'm done, let's call this a night" and that he just didn't want her to have this moment.
Posted by: mass voter | Feb 22, 2008 4:54:43 PM
I agree with the very last tag to this article. Lindsey Lohan huh? Move on...
Posted by: irma | Feb 22, 2008 4:45:15 PM
Well-I feel Obama's last response weak, if being raised by a single mom,having his father leave when he was 2, and having a granparents raise him is a reason that you can be counted on in a critical situation or criis. Then so can most of america, my mother could have president then. It she was abandoned by both parent's at age 7 and raised by her aunt, she rose above adversity all her life and never acted or arrogant or felt owed that America owed her anything. She was proud to be an american until the day she died. So I find Obama answer credible or a reason he should be our Commander and Cheif. Plus he could only say I feel I am qualified by gave no instances of what makes him qualified-just like his whole campaign running on air. JUST you americans wait and see when we are faced with a crisis and your candidate does not know how to respond-a speech won't cut it. Just like the one he gave in 2002, he was not provided with the security information that the rest of congress had, and 77 congressman voted for the resolution (democrates and republicans). His rhetoric on this subject is old and in a what if scenario. Let's all start being realistic, his is status quo and if not worse, and will bail on those who voted for him. See how fast his rhetoric changes if he is elected.
Posted by: Puzzled | Feb 22, 2008 4:44:40 PM
I'll bet Xerox enjoyed the plug!
Posted by: Sally Galligan | Feb 22, 2008 4:41:40 PM
Obama is the most arrogant person I have ever seen.
Aside from that, he's extremely liberal on all his views, which isn't necessarily a bad thing but won't improve The States' reputation either.
Posted by: mervin23 | Feb 22, 2008 4:39:05 PM
Jake and all Media Sources.
Let's give credit where credit is deserved. The people at the debate last night were NOT APPLAUDING AND GIVING HILLARY A STANDING OVATION (remember the "boos" during the earlier part of the debate?.) THEY WERE DEFINITLY AND APPLAUDING OUR SOLDIERS FOR THEIR OUTSTANDING SERVICES THEY PERFORM FOR OUR NATION AND FOR THE HUGE SACRICES THEY HAVE MADE AND CONTINUE TO MAKE. THEIR STANDING OVATION WAS FOR THOSE INJURED AND MAIMED SOLDIERS WHO SERVED US HONORABLY AND SACRIFICED THEMSELVES TO SERVE US.
AGAIN, LET'S GIVE CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE: OUR BELOVED SOLDIERS!!
Posted by: NinaK | Feb 22, 2008 4:28:54 PM
The last gasp from a dying campaign. To Hillary Clinton's campaign - we shall see again in eight years. Adieus.
Posted by: Kizeem | Feb 22, 2008 3:04:33 PM
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Kizeem, I am with you on this 100%.
However, I hope we NEVER see the Clintons in the national political field again!!
Posted by: NinaK | Feb 22, 2008 4:21:35 PM
Everyone is talking about Hillary getting a standing ovation with her comments at the end of the debate. Please think again. I asked myself, how would I have taken what she said. Would I applaud Hillary or would I applaud our American injured and maimed soldiers? I WOULD APPLAUD THE SOLDIERS!! I do not believe the standing ovation was FOR Hillary; THE STANDING OVATION WAS FOR THE SOLDIERS WHO HAD SERVED OUR COUNTRY SO ADMIRABLY AND FOR THE SACRIFICES THEY HAVE MADE.
Posted by: NinaK | Feb 22, 2008 4:10:15 PM
The whole thing is silly. The back and forth is really silly.
If Obama had lost 11 contests in a row, party elders will be calling for him to concede for the good of the party. Nobody can deny that. That's hyprocrisy and favoritism. I want them to call her to concede. Lately the superdelegates have gone -2 for Clinton (Im not counting John Lewis) and +25 for Obama. Read the writing on the wall Howard Dean. Tell her it's over.
Here is the AP count of superdelegates. We all know Obama has +150 pledges, so it's over!
Posted by: Sarah | Feb 22, 2008 4:09:06 PM
Plagiarism and victimhood... and phony valedictories... are this scoundrel's last refuge.
Posted by: Mia T | Feb 22, 2008 3:50:03 PM
The Clintons are slash-and-burn experts. Their "plagarism" attack was exactly an attack of the worst kind. Nevermind that Hillary uses the same lines and themes as Mr. Obama and Mr. Edwards. Never mind that Hillary takes Bill's presidential successes as her own (funny how she does not take the ugliness and failures of their years in the White House as her own). The Clintons and their campaign were trying to pollute and undercut Mr. Obama. There is NOTHING the Clintons do without preplanning, EXCEPT on how to run a campaign! Talk about ineptness and chaos!
By the way, XEROX is a word of the the past (Has been for last 15-20 years). Today we have copiers and photocopies. Obviously Hillary & camp have not moved forward in the last 15 years.
Posted by: NinaK | Feb 22, 2008 3:07:52 PM
The last gasp from a dying campaign. To Hillary Clinton's campaign - we shall see again in eight years. Adieus.
Posted by: Kizeem | Feb 22, 2008 3:04:33 PM
"wasn't sure why he was taking notes when she was speaking at the end."
he did it to distract her because he is rude and arrogant.
Posted by: Brian Shuy | Feb 22, 2008 2:37:04 PM
wasn't sure why he was taking notes when she was speaking at the end. He had already given his response on "the moment that tested him most." Seems he would have just been listening to her response. But twice he did this.
Posted by: american2 | Feb 22, 2008 2:07:43 PM
Plagiarism?
Click up to Tapper's next story and read about some real Obama deception from last night's debate.
Better yet, read about it here:
"You know, I've heard from an Army captain who was the head of a rifle platoon -- supposed to have 39 men in a rifle platoon," he said. "Ended up being sent to Afghanistan with 24 because 15 of those soldiers had been sent to Iraq. And as a consequence, they didn't have enough ammunition, they didn't have enough humvees. They were actually capturing Taliban weapons, because it was easier to get Taliban weapons than it was for them to get properly equipped by our current commander in chief."
Asked about the story in the Spin Room last night, Obama strategist David Axelrod told the National Review's Stephen Spruiell, "that was a discussion that a captain in the military had with our staff, and he asked that that be passed along to Senator Obama."
Posted by: Ken | Feb 22, 2008 2:06:03 PM
Plagiarism? Really? No really? It's plain to see that EVERY politician participates is some form of borrowing rhetoric. The fact that this is even an issue is the product of a news media reaching for ratings in an info-tainment world, and a candidate desperate for delegates. The confluence of these two factors is sad indeed. Sad because it takes all us voters down a path where no substance can be found and no real discourse can be had. Anyone who believes that Obama is an empty vessel who merely spews great oration is biased or flat out ignorant. Anyone who believes that Clinton has not "plagiarized" herself is flat out ignorant. (As evidenced by her own campaign manager refusing to state catagorically that she never has) Come on folks get with it, get off it, and move on to something that matters, umm i dunno like whether Lindsey Lohan should have taken the Monroe photos or not......Geez sad indeed.
Posted by: Penny K | Feb 22, 2008 2:03:28 PM
Some of you Clinton supporters are incredible. Clinton accuses Obama of plagiarism but he's not even allowed to point out that she's borrowing language all over the place? You can do all the mental yoga you like, but Clinton's attack was lame and it failed. End of story.
Posted by: Joseph | Feb 22, 2008 1:59:50 PM
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