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>>>More and more, this reminds me of the Florida recount
Really? Should it be a surprise that Bush won after every ballot was counted? Several Florida newspapers, including the Miami Herald, found that Bush won, no matter how many different ways the ballots were counted, hanging chads and all. Its urban legend that Gore won. The only ones that tried to award the election to Gore was the ultra-liberal Florida Supreme Court.<<<

Wrong. The consortium discovered that if the statewide recount had been conducted according to the standards suggested by the US Supreme Court - starting over from the beginning and counting undervotes and overvotes - Gore would have won.

Now, why won't the wingnuts tell you that?

Obama was on the ballot in Florida. I had it in my hand and saw his name. Did you? Hope the false and sinister baby comment you said about Hillary comes back to bite you in the ass. Unless you have been right next to Obama his whole life you have no idea of what he is capable of. Besides, do some research and see why he is able to earn 3 times the amount of money as Hillary. Find out how much of his is even raised in the United States. And Florida is a Republican run state....it was not Florida Democrats who moved the date. And DNC stands for Democratic National Committee. How old are you? 12?
When Clinton's were in the White House gas was lower, Unemployment was lower, an the world liked us. Be very careful and think with your brain when voting.....our children need us to stop making mistakes and gambling with what's left of our country.

This is a bunch of crap. Michigan and Florida VIOLATED the rules. If anyone should be mad it should be the people of Florida and Michigan AT THEIR STATE DNC. Most people didn't vote because of this and Obama wasn't even on the ballot...how fair is that? You can't just COUNT the votes, if they end up counting, I will vote for McCain. Hillary will DO ANYTHING including killing a baby to get the nomination. Do you want someone that psychotic, divisive, manipulating, and desperate running the white house? I would seriously considering moving to Canada.

ALL VOTES SHOULD COUNT!!!!
I live in Florida and voted for Hillary.
I'm so sick of the way the voting is done. WE don't really get to chose our president. Why should my vote not count because Florida moved the date up? To be completely fair EVERYONE should vote on the same day just like they will in November. The people with power don't want that though.
Here is some news for the Democratic National Party----If Hillary does not get Florida and Michigan delegates or there isn't a do-over for those two states and Obama and McCain are our choices----many people, myself, my family, and my friends included will vote for McCain. I'm a nurse who belongs to many organizations too, and many of them feel the same way. So tell me...how is not counting Florida & Michigan going to help the Democratic Party?

I'm from Michigan,
and I think it IS FAIR.
Michigan votes should NOT COUNT.

Michigan knew what it was doing when we held our primary early, and we knew the penalty.

It would be unethical to change the rules at this point in the election.

Its like having someone change the rules midway through a board game.

Lets keep our country honest and decent.

The world is watching,
our future is on the line,
use you best judgement,
do your research
and stand up for what you believe in.

Kylie posted: "If people in Florida and Michigan cannot see that they are being pandered to by the Clintons on this whole disenfranchisement crap then you people are not only stupid, you deserve to be partly blamed, along with the Clintons, for ruining the Democratic Party."

I live in Florida. The people see. Who doesn't see, I am aghast to report, is most of the leadership of the Florida Democratic Party who are in bed with Hillary. That is one long sad story here on how it came to pass.

First the lame Florida Dems get outmaneuvered by the Republicans concerning the election reforms, including the Primary date.

Then they get manipulated by Hillary in the days just before it.

The DNC sees this. Floridians to do too. There is no question we'll be sitting this Primary out. Hillary loves making this kind of noise for how it buys her the ability to say, "See? Look at how for the people I am".

More and more, this reminds me of the Florida recount
Really? Should it be a surprise that Bush won after every ballot was counted? Several Florida newspapers, including the Miami Herald, found that Bush won, no matter how many different ways the ballots were counted, hanging chads and all. Its urban legend that Gore won. The only ones that tried to award the election to Gore was the ultra-liberal Florida Supreme Court.

Aloha! It appears to me that these posts need a little more aloha and not so much lack thereof.

It seems to me everyone is talking about Hillary changing the rules. Yet why doesn't anyone get disgusted with Barack trying to change the rules in regards to the Super Delegates. The Super Delegates are given the choice to vote for who they feel the most qualified candidate is. They also have the opportunity to change their mind once they have endorsed a candidate, unlike pledged delegates.

If Barack wants more Super Delegate votes he should be talking with the delegates that are still uncommitted or trying to change the minds of those that have already endorsed Hillary. He shouldn't force Super Delegates to vote as their constituents did. That is CHANGING THE RULES. But wouldn't that be interesting, you'd have my Senator here in Hawaii voting for Barack and Senators Kennedy and Kerry from Massachusetts having to vote for Hillary. But again, that is against the rules.

I like what a previous post said. Seat Florida and Michigan delegates, but as unpledged delegates. Let them make up their own mind at the convention. That way, at least Florida and Michigan are getting their voice heard, even if it is contrary to how their state primaries turned out.

Why are Obama followers always judged as "blind followers" and the "misinformed"? What part of the Obama plan has holes in it? Have you even researched the website and the plan? Why are the followers of the Walmart Queen always the "politically conscious" voters? She HAS been in politics all of her life...what has she really done? I remember that great new beginning and great plans they had when Bill came into office. What is their legacy? NAFTA? How can her millions save her...and I had hoped she would have the grace to recognize the reality of her situation. Well, I'm a woman (quoting the formerly identified black voter who doesn't support Obama) and I recognize power hungry, deceitful, and petty qualities in her. I could never vote for McCain- but I could never vote for her either. So they'll win if she maneuvers her way in.

HILLARY SHOULD GET THE MICHIGAN AND FLORIDA VOTES. BY NOT GIVING THEM TO HER DISCRACES THOSE STATES OPINIONS. HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF IT WERE YOUR STATE AND YOUR NOMINEE LOST BECAUSE OF A TECHNO.

IF OBAMA WINS, HE WILL BE FOUND OUT WITHIN THE FIRST YEAR. THIS ISN'T A TEMP JOB AND YOUR LOOKING TO GET OVER. THIS IS THE MOST POWERFUL JOB IN THE NATION, SOME PEOPLE FORGET THAT.

YOU GO GIRL!!!!

what was the purpose of the rule ?every vote should count ? if i was Florida and Michigan after reading this crap i would vote for McCain to let y'all no what it means to be disenfranchised i quess it cool when it's not you? imagine Obama got delegates from Alaska?320-145 LOL and you guys won't count 1,7000,000 votes in Florida? because they wanted TO VOTE early ?

i can't take this crap I'm black and wouldn't vote for that fraud if he was the only dude on the ballot I'm sick of you idiots !all the accomplishment pres Clinton did in 1993-2000 would blow obama off the map!!give me a break Al GORE LOST his home state of tennessee that what lost the state you idiots wanted something new ,a change,a guy you want to have a beer with ,a unite not divider,Sounds familiar ?

Perfect example of how Hillary will say and do anything to win the nomination. Since voters in 25 states have told her that she should not be the Democratic nominee, she is going to try to win it by other means. Shame on Hillary.

THE DATES IN FLORIDA WAS MOVE UP BY FLORIDAS REPUBLICAN PARTY NOT THE VOTERS !! this is crazy if you guys would have won either or both you would be ARGUING THE SAME THING.. lets get real the democratic party is divided Becauce of you not obama or hillary, comeback in 8 years with some accomplisments and your own speech material...resko trial is on the 25th of Feb be mad about that..

One thing we can all count on is the Clintons cheating. What would you say at half time in a football game the losing team called time out, so they could change the rules. How would the wining team feel, wake up people the Clintons only want one thing WIN. So lets change the rules, can't win on your own merrit, screw the party and the people.

Being a life-long democrat I must say that I am shocked at the blind support I see for Obama. I mean I have yet to hear a single statement from this man that would lead me to believe he is the most capable candidate for the job at hand.

When it comes to Obama it's quite the contrary. I hear a lot of talking, but with no real substance or sincerity behind what is being said. I see him as some kind of "Obamian Candidate", where he autonomously says exactly and only what the people want to hear. This is not a potential leader. This is a puppet. A corporately-produced and molded N'Syncian candidate.

I never thought I'd say this, but if Obama wins the nomination I will be hand-writing Hillary's name in November.

I can't in good conscience vote Republican. And I can't in good conscience vote for a talking head, either.

Has anyone heard of the CONSTITUTION since when does a political partys rules mean more than it does. Obama taught constitutional law and he blocked a compromise.Clinton won Florida all things in that state were equal.In Michigan its should revote.THESE STATES VOTERS HAD AS MUCH CONTROL AS AMERICANS DO WHEN THEY PASS A LAW (EX. ROE VS WADE).The voters went to the polls because they refused to allow there rights to be taken away and they went in record numbers.All I have heard from Obama supporters is a bunch of excuses.If it were you and your right to self goverment was being denied how happy were you.

Hillary, why don't you go stand over there with Joe Lieberman and Zell Miller. Y'all seem to have a lot in common.

Clinton/Lieberman '08!!!

If people in Florida and Michigan cannot see that they are being pandered to by the Clintons on this whole disenfranchisement crap then you people are not only stupid, you deserve to be partly blamed, along with the Clintons, for ruining the Democratic Party.

The wisdom of creating superdelegates in Democratic Primaries will finally pay off in this election.

We have a man who has nothing to offer but his incredible ability to hypnotize the young people, created a pseudo-movement by tapping into the anger rose out of 7 years of utter incompetence on part of the Bush's administration, riding on the wave of emotions and euphoria....

A man that the longer this campaign takes, his plans, ideas and even personality remains under mystery.

One thing we tend to forget is the superdelegates are elected officials. Their job is to vote for the most qualified candidate.