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Obama was on the ballot in Florida. I had it in my hand and saw his name. Did you? Hope the false and sinister baby comment you said about Hillary comes back to bite you in the ass. Unless you have been right next to Obama his whole life you have no idea of what he is capable of. Besides, do some research and see why he is able to earn 3 times the amount of money as Hillary. Find out how much of his is even raised in the United States. And Florida is a Republican run state....it was not Florida Democrats who moved the date. And DNC stands for Democratic National Committee. How old are you? 12?
When Clinton's were in the White House gas was lower, Unemployment was lower, an the world liked us. Be very careful and think with your brain when voting.....our children need us to stop making mistakes and gambling with what's left of our country.

This is a bunch of crap. Michigan and Florida VIOLATED the rules. If anyone should be mad it should be the people of Florida and Michigan AT THEIR STATE DNC. Most people didn't vote because of this and Obama wasn't even on the ballot...how fair is that? You can't just COUNT the votes, if they end up counting, I will vote for McCain. Hillary will DO ANYTHING including killing a baby to get the nomination. Do you want someone that psychotic, divisive, manipulating, and desperate running the white house? I would seriously considering moving to Canada.

ALL VOTES SHOULD COUNT!!!!
I live in Florida and voted for Hillary.
I'm so sick of the way the voting is done. WE don't really get to chose our president. Why should my vote not count because Florida moved the date up? To be completely fair EVERYONE should vote on the same day just like they will in November. The people with power don't want that though.
Here is some news for the Democratic National Party----If Hillary does not get Florida and Michigan delegates or there isn't a do-over for those two states and Obama and McCain are our choices----many people, myself, my family, and my friends included will vote for McCain. I'm a nurse who belongs to many organizations too, and many of them feel the same way. So tell me...how is not counting Florida & Michigan going to help the Democratic Party?

I'm from Michigan,
and I think it IS FAIR.
Michigan votes should NOT COUNT.

Michigan knew what it was doing when we held our primary early, and we knew the penalty.

It would be unethical to change the rules at this point in the election.

Its like having someone change the rules midway through a board game.

Lets keep our country honest and decent.

The world is watching,
our future is on the line,
use you best judgement,
do your research
and stand up for what you believe in.

Kylie posted: "If people in Florida and Michigan cannot see that they are being pandered to by the Clintons on this whole disenfranchisement crap then you people are not only stupid, you deserve to be partly blamed, along with the Clintons, for ruining the Democratic Party."

I live in Florida. The people see. Who doesn't see, I am aghast to report, is most of the leadership of the Florida Democratic Party who are in bed with Hillary. That is one long sad story here on how it came to pass.

First the lame Florida Dems get outmaneuvered by the Republicans concerning the election reforms, including the Primary date.

Then they get manipulated by Hillary in the days just before it.

The DNC sees this. Floridians to do too. There is no question we'll be sitting this Primary out. Hillary loves making this kind of noise for how it buys her the ability to say, "See? Look at how for the people I am".

More and more, this reminds me of the Florida recount
Really? Should it be a surprise that Bush won after every ballot was counted? Several Florida newspapers, including the Miami Herald, found that Bush won, no matter how many different ways the ballots were counted, hanging chads and all. Its urban legend that Gore won. The only ones that tried to award the election to Gore was the ultra-liberal Florida Supreme Court.

Aloha! It appears to me that these posts need a little more aloha and not so much lack thereof.

It seems to me everyone is talking about Hillary changing the rules. Yet why doesn't anyone get disgusted with Barack trying to change the rules in regards to the Super Delegates. The Super Delegates are given the choice to vote for who they feel the most qualified candidate is. They also have the opportunity to change their mind once they have endorsed a candidate, unlike pledged delegates.

If Barack wants more Super Delegate votes he should be talking with the delegates that are still uncommitted or trying to change the minds of those that have already endorsed Hillary. He shouldn't force Super Delegates to vote as their constituents did. That is CHANGING THE RULES. But wouldn't that be interesting, you'd have my Senator here in Hawaii voting for Barack and Senators Kennedy and Kerry from Massachusetts having to vote for Hillary. But again, that is against the rules.

I like what a previous post said. Seat Florida and Michigan delegates, but as unpledged delegates. Let them make up their own mind at the convention. That way, at least Florida and Michigan are getting their voice heard, even if it is contrary to how their state primaries turned out.

Why are Obama followers always judged as "blind followers" and the "misinformed"? What part of the Obama plan has holes in it? Have you even researched the website and the plan? Why are the followers of the Walmart Queen always the "politically conscious" voters? She HAS been in politics all of her life...what has she really done? I remember that great new beginning and great plans they had when Bill came into office. What is their legacy? NAFTA? How can her millions save her...and I had hoped she would have the grace to recognize the reality of her situation. Well, I'm a woman (quoting the formerly identified black voter who doesn't support Obama) and I recognize power hungry, deceitful, and petty qualities in her. I could never vote for McCain- but I could never vote for her either. So they'll win if she maneuvers her way in.

HILLARY SHOULD GET THE MICHIGAN AND FLORIDA VOTES. BY NOT GIVING THEM TO HER DISCRACES THOSE STATES OPINIONS. HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF IT WERE YOUR STATE AND YOUR NOMINEE LOST BECAUSE OF A TECHNO.

IF OBAMA WINS, HE WILL BE FOUND OUT WITHIN THE FIRST YEAR. THIS ISN'T A TEMP JOB AND YOUR LOOKING TO GET OVER. THIS IS THE MOST POWERFUL JOB IN THE NATION, SOME PEOPLE FORGET THAT.

YOU GO GIRL!!!!

what was the purpose of the rule ?every vote should count ? if i was Florida and Michigan after reading this crap i would vote for McCain to let y'all no what it means to be disenfranchised i quess it cool when it's not you? imagine Obama got delegates from Alaska?320-145 LOL and you guys won't count 1,7000,000 votes in Florida? because they wanted TO VOTE early ?

i can't take this crap I'm black and wouldn't vote for that fraud if he was the only dude on the ballot I'm sick of you idiots !all the accomplishment pres Clinton did in 1993-2000 would blow obama off the map!!give me a break Al GORE LOST his home state of tennessee that what lost the state you idiots wanted something new ,a change,a guy you want to have a beer with ,a unite not divider,Sounds familiar ?

Perfect example of how Hillary will say and do anything to win the nomination. Since voters in 25 states have told her that she should not be the Democratic nominee, she is going to try to win it by other means. Shame on Hillary.

THE DATES IN FLORIDA WAS MOVE UP BY FLORIDAS REPUBLICAN PARTY NOT THE VOTERS !! this is crazy if you guys would have won either or both you would be ARGUING THE SAME THING.. lets get real the democratic party is divided Becauce of you not obama or hillary, comeback in 8 years with some accomplisments and your own speech material...resko trial is on the 25th of Feb be mad about that..

One thing we can all count on is the Clintons cheating. What would you say at half time in a football game the losing team called time out, so they could change the rules. How would the wining team feel, wake up people the Clintons only want one thing WIN. So lets change the rules, can't win on your own merrit, screw the party and the people.

Being a life-long democrat I must say that I am shocked at the blind support I see for Obama. I mean I have yet to hear a single statement from this man that would lead me to believe he is the most capable candidate for the job at hand.

When it comes to Obama it's quite the contrary. I hear a lot of talking, but with no real substance or sincerity behind what is being said. I see him as some kind of "Obamian Candidate", where he autonomously says exactly and only what the people want to hear. This is not a potential leader. This is a puppet. A corporately-produced and molded N'Syncian candidate.

I never thought I'd say this, but if Obama wins the nomination I will be hand-writing Hillary's name in November.

I can't in good conscience vote Republican. And I can't in good conscience vote for a talking head, either.

Has anyone heard of the CONSTITUTION since when does a political partys rules mean more than it does. Obama taught constitutional law and he blocked a compromise.Clinton won Florida all things in that state were equal.In Michigan its should revote.THESE STATES VOTERS HAD AS MUCH CONTROL AS AMERICANS DO WHEN THEY PASS A LAW (EX. ROE VS WADE).The voters went to the polls because they refused to allow there rights to be taken away and they went in record numbers.All I have heard from Obama supporters is a bunch of excuses.If it were you and your right to self goverment was being denied how happy were you.

Hillary, why don't you go stand over there with Joe Lieberman and Zell Miller. Y'all seem to have a lot in common.

Clinton/Lieberman '08!!!

If people in Florida and Michigan cannot see that they are being pandered to by the Clintons on this whole disenfranchisement crap then you people are not only stupid, you deserve to be partly blamed, along with the Clintons, for ruining the Democratic Party.

The wisdom of creating superdelegates in Democratic Primaries will finally pay off in this election.

We have a man who has nothing to offer but his incredible ability to hypnotize the young people, created a pseudo-movement by tapping into the anger rose out of 7 years of utter incompetence on part of the Bush's administration, riding on the wave of emotions and euphoria....

A man that the longer this campaign takes, his plans, ideas and even personality remains under mystery.

One thing we tend to forget is the superdelegates are elected officials. Their job is to vote for the most qualified candidate.

Hillary Logic: "There are actually 50 states in the US? Oh, and I didn't know until yesterday how Texas assigns their delegates, which is really unfair for me, so you heard me wrong when I said Texas was my firewall. Also, now that I lost WI, and OH is a lot like it, I really didn't mean that OH was my firewall either. What I meant to say is they don't really count. It's only some states after March 4 that count. I'll get back to you when I figure out which ones they are. But FL and MI definitely count, unless you re-do them and I don't like the results. By the way, my new rules for the nomination are pretty complicated. Don't bother trying to figure it out. I'll just do the math and let you know who wins."

She would destroy her own party to gain a nomination for a general election her actions make it impossible to win? Can you say "ash heap of history " boys and girls?

After readng all the comments, I wanted to add something that I have been hearing alot from friends and others that are Hillary supporters.
They are so adamant that Hillary should be the Dem nominee, 8 out of 10 Hillary supporters have said they will vote for McCain or not vote at all should she lose the nomination to Obama.
She has alot of supporters and I think Obama is going to need alot of them to back him in order to beat McCain.
This could become a problem down the road.

"HOPE"
There is very few people in this world that do not have hope.
"Hope" is nothing new...its been around forever.
I hope to lose 10 pounds, I hope to live to be 100, I hope to win the lottery.....but alas, probably not gonna' happen.
I know it....but the hope for it still gives me anticipation and makes me feel good.
I think the American people are pinning their "HOPE FOR CHANGE" on Obama. It makes them feel good for the moment, but just like "HOPE" to win the lottery, etc...there is not much chance for this miraculous change the Obama keeps shouting about.
After all is said and done, the mess the USA is in now, will continue.
At least with Clinton shes got a proven track record for all she has done.
We need somebody who has been around awhile and knows the ropes of what is needed to run the white House. She does....it is on record...it is a fact.
At least do yourself a favor and do your homework as to the achievements of Clinton vs Obama.
All the pretty speechs in the world will not be enough to turn this country around.
At the end of the day and when the air clears...to coin a phrase from Obama and the other politician that Obama seemed to "borrow" his speech from...word for word....LOL....his Hope for change will be "WORDS, JUST WORDS".

Obama is a hypocrite... last fall he said that seating the FL delegates was the right thing to do, now he's changed his mind.

Obama may win the nomination because of the disenfranchisement of FL and MI, but it will cost him the general election. No way the Democrats win in November without either MI or FL an no way that either state will vote for Obama now.

Had a pet once who came in second place in a dog show after having flunked out of obedience school.

Her victory was the direct result of the dog show being held one gloomy night in the snow.

Forgive me for seeing a comparison between this result and the seating of the Michigan and Florida delegates from primaries in which there was only one candidate.

I'm not saying she was a dog. I am saying she flunked out of obedience school.

If either candidate gets their way, someone is disenfranchised. Voters are set to lose. By granting MI and FL their delegates, they got what they wanted and their punishment becomes moot. (aside argument - why can't they vote when they want? What's democratic about that rule DNC?) If they get to vote again, they become bigger king/queen-makers than they would have been originally. If they caucus, not every voter that went to the polls can/will make it, and their vote is lost. Both sides are taking undemocratic positions. If it stands as it is, millions of people's votes don't count and probably a couple million more (who originally stayed home, conscious of the delegatelessness) never had a say in this historic, dramatically close primary.

What is the solution? What is worse in democracy than votes not counting or prevented from being cast?

What disgusting tactics by the Clinton campaign.

Put a stop to this DNC!!!!!

Hillary Clinton is a CHEATER!

I will not vote for a rules-breaking CHEATER! I will not send her money, write in favor of her, or vote for her in November.

She'll break any law, restriction, limit, or contract in order to get the position of Empress because she feels RNTITLED to rulership. Well, this is not yet a banana republic, and we do not yet vote for rulers based upon name alone. Clinton supported Bhutto's illegal play at getting a third term... how many terms does she want for herself?

NO DAMNED DYNASTIES!!!!!

And, cheaters can take their marbles and go back to work.

I just returned from Obama's Dallas ralley and I promise, there is no need to worry. Obama will carry Texas.

What was it Hillary said..."come on down to Texas we are ready for you". We sure were. I have never seen so many people at one place, at one time in my life. Amazing crowd in Dallas; amazing crowd in Houston. WELCOME TO TEXAS OBAMA!

We are going to finish Hillary's campaign off right here in the Lone Star State. She can't possibly think so many people will let her get away with changing the rules AFTER THE GAME STARTED/FINISHED. The DNC set the rules, everyone agreed, and AFTER THE RESULTS CAME IN, she wants to rewrite the rule book for an ELECTION...NOT A GAME AN ELECTION. That is against the very nature of American democracy.

THANK YOU WISCONSIN...THANK YOU HAWAII. Texas and Ohio have the ball now. I don't know about Ohio, but we have Emmett Smith of the Dallas Cowboys carrying the ball for us down here in Texas.

Let's get this done TEXAS!!!!!! Let's get this done Ohio!!!!!

I am outraged that even the Clintons can get this low. I am so saddend to hear what she would do to get this nomination. As I would tell my kids play fair or get out of the game.

What a poor looser.

YES WE CAN!!!!! BARACK OBAMA 2008

Seat the delegates. Split the votes 50-50.

Because the Democrats in BOTH states had the opportunity to do SOMETHING to comply with the compact they'd made with the other 48 states. And to break that compact would be to say that Florida and Michigan are ABOVE the rules.

So, forgive 'em. Embrace 'em. And let them cancel themselves out. And, while we're at it, do you suppose that we could FIX a broken primary system for next time? We've known it was broken since AT LEAST 2000.

As Commander and Cheeef, I want all the votes to be counted. After all, they were counted for me in 2000.

Go Hillary!

G.W.

Good comment Irama.

VOTE THE DELEGATES IN FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN!!!!

CITIZENS SHOULD NOT BE PENALIZED DUE TO INCOMPETENCE BY STATE REPRESENTATIVES. ALL VOTES SHOULD BE COUNTED INCLUDING FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN. AFTER ALL, BOTH CLINTON AND OBAMA HAD RUNNING ADS IN BOTH OF THESE STATES.

LET DEMOCRACY WORK!

And you expected any better behavior from Clinton? No sane person would let her make them a sandwich, much less be a Presidential Nominee.

Shame on the Clintons for trying to changes the rules in the middle of the game.......Obama is the winner

EXACTLY CAROL! THE VOTE OF THE PEOPLE IN FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN REPRESENTS THE PEOPLE'S WILL TOO. THEY ARE BEING PUNISHED FOR THE DECISIONS OF THE PARTY OFFICIALS.

OBAMA RELEASED AN AD IN FLORIDA BEFORE THE PRIMARY. HE CLAIMED HE DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS AGAINST THE RULES. REALLY, A HARVARD MAN DIDN'T UNDERSTAND? HIS SURROGATES AND SUPPORTERS CAMPAIGNED TO VOTE AGAINST HILLARY IN MICH. NOW HE WANTS HER COMMITTED SUPER DELEGATES TO SUPPORT HIM IF HE GETS THE POPULAR VOTE. HE KNEW THE RULES. SINCE HE BROKE THE RULES FOR MICH AND FLORIDA, THEIR VOTES SHOULD COUNT. Now as for the Super Delegates. There are rules stating they vote for the best candidate as their judgement provides. Yet Obama has gotten the people worked up because the numbers are not in his favor. He knows the rules and he tries to be sneaky or change them using pressure. AT LEAST HILLARY IS UP FRONT ABOUT IT.

screw the republican party, screw the democratic party, Im a florida voter who was disenfranscied by party politics. republican ruled florida legislature changed the primary, not the voters. the republicans loose 50% of their delegates, dems loose all. All dem nominee on ballot, Obama campaigned in florida on cable tv, The Dem Party created this mess. NOT THE VOTERS.

Now that she's on her way to losing about 40 of the states to Obama, Hillary wants a "50-state strategy"?

Hilarious.

Do the Clintons realize how desperate they look, the more they grasp at straws the less appealing they look the DNC should pull the plug on her campaign before people start to get disenchanted with the Democrats as a party for tolerating these low attacks. For someone who claims to have all this experience her campaign has not been impressive.

People have the right to do this,to vote and express their will.It's a democratic rule, not poker rule.If i know Americans they like to do their own fighting.People have called for it,so let's all call for it

I for one have had enough of out politicians misrepresenting the "facts". Case in point is where Hillary's new website claims that "The Obama campaign is claiming that automatic delegates must follow the lead of pledged delegates and switch their vote to Sen." Now I'm pretty sure that Obama did not use the word "must". I'll bet he used the word "should". Hillary gets no points from me for twisting words.

Those two states wanted to play
an important role in the primaries.
Had they stuck to their original
primaries, they indeed would have
been major players. Hindsight is
20/20, of course.

~ Jess

As a Hillary supporter IM WAITING UNTIL TX/OH and PA, dont foolishly count her out yet folks. I've done the math and by the end of this WITHOUT MI/FL she could pull Obama's pledged Delegate lead to less than 30! A really meaningless number that wont pressure the S.D's at all. Include in there some kind of MI/FL solution and shes' ahead! THAT SAID, If she doesnt win OH, TX AND PA, I think she should drop out as his delegate lead will be too large to over come, but I do think she will win those states, If she doesn't Ill come back as an Obama supporter (who I also like)

If Hillary's grip on reality is so tenuous that she would allow her campaign to make these absurd claims, then I would worry about her fitness to be our Commander in Chief. Even on Day One.

I'd like to know more about the disposition of the superdelegates from FL and MI. It seems that the DNC stripped both the pledged and unpledged delegates from these states. Does this mean that Rep. Wexler and Sen. Levin et al do not get a vote at the convention? It seems they'll havew to do something about this.

The Obama people don't deserve to be tweaked at all. The DNC deserves to be tweaked for creating superdelegates and giving them votes.

The Obama campaign should be commended for suggesting that the superdelegates should follow the lead of the regular delegates. They should. It's the democratic way of handling it. Clinton's way is just that, the Clinton Way.

If you are going to brag that decisions
are made in this country by hearing the
voice of everyone, then logically you
should include those of Florida and
Michigan no matter what the rule breaking was which I'm sure could be
handled in a different manner.

"The voice of everyone", means just that!!

"If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed."
Mark Twain

That goes double for the content of most of this column

Wow, do anything say anything to win.

Interesting how you could have a mindset that this does not work against you in a larger way (change the rules that your people put into place in the middle of the game while you are down!!!!) than it could possibly work for you.

As time goes by, the Obama message really appears to attract more attention. The whole game for the Clintons appears to be to hold on to those who were going to vote Clinton because they know the name. That, day by day appears to be less and less possible.

This move if anything, should put the final nail into the coffin.

Obamas name was not on the ballot in Michigan, so I'm guessing she wants ALL of the delegates from there? sleazy...

I want to point out that this "delegate hub" has no actual tallies of delegates. I think this may be due to the fact that, even if you count Michigan and Florida, Obama still leads in pledged delegates at the moment.

I think Hillary and Bill need to start thinking about how they want to go down.

Does Bill want to salvage what's left of his standing and his legacy? Does Hillary want to preserve a long, fruitful career in the Senate--perhaps as Senate majority leader (a role in which I think she'd kick ***)?

I think Hillary should bow out gracefully--the sooner the better. And, as Democrats, we need to rally behind the stronger horse in this race--Barack Obama--and set our sights on John McCain.

This is another example of Clinton's new campaign strategy: Using Bush tactics, which Americans are sick of and clearly shows Clinton's desperation to win the election. This does not look favorably in my opinion and her bush-like actions are not appealing.This is why Americans do NOT want anymore bush or clinton dynasties--they are ruining America.

This is another example of Clinton's new campaign strategy: Using Bush tactics, which Americans are sick of.
This is just another example of Clinton's desperation to win the election. This does not look favorably in my opinion and her bush-like actions are not appealing. This is why Americans do NOT want anymore bush or clinton dynasties--they are ruining America.

GO HILLARY!!!! OBAMA IS A SLEEZ.

isn't this a bit like a tennis player, who's having a bad day, hitting everything wide, stopping the match after losing two sets, and demanding that the court be widened?

Changing the rules in the middle of the game. Brought to you by........The Clintons.

So they're actively trying to steal the election. See how many Democrats come out to vote for you in November, Hillary.
If she wins fair and square, she deserves our support. If she "wins" ugly, she deserves to lose.

Anyone who thinks MI delegates should be seated and apportioned based on our ridiculous primary is a fool or a totally biased Clinton supporter.

MI dem party bosses screwed up BIG TIME. Debbie Dingell, Jennifer Granholm, Levin, etc. moved our primary up - in violation of DNC rules - AND with no mandate from MI Dems to do this.

It was a stupid power play, and many MI Dems applaud Howard Dean and the DNC for sticking with the rules. MI Dems wanted to have a voice in this most important of elections, but our self interested party bosses took it away from us. Our own state leaders are the ones to blame.

I feel bad for the voters of Michigan and Florida BUT their state dem reps changed the primary dates in violation of party rules. They were then told the consequences of that change. They were given ample opportunity to remedy the situation but chose not to. The penalty was clearly stated and ALL candidates agreed to this. If Florida and Michigan are counted at this time, it seems to me to render the DNC useless and open a flood gate of primary date switching that simply can't be tolerated. There has to be clear consequences for actions. The DNC did not disenfrancise the voters of Florida and Michigan, the state committees of those states did. It is wrong to count these delegates and they should not be given a "do over". Tough love it may be, but the DNC must maintain control over this situation otherwise they turn themselves into an ad hoc committee.

More fact-checking needed for DelegateHub ("Fact 5", under More)

>> She is winning virtually all the states a Democrat will need to win the presidency.
<<

How is this even remotely true, unless as Yglesias suggested, the Constitution is amended to give the Presidency to the candidate that wins New York and California.????

As the Clintons continue to lose, they will become more and more desperate. They will resort of all kinds of Karl Rove type dirty tricks. In the end, it will all backfire on them. Once it's over, hopefully we will see the end of two of the sleaziest polititions in our history.

Solution: Give the sore losers their share of Florida and run a primary in
Michigan. Anyone want to guess how that will turn out?

I also think that everyone who voted for Hillary should get their vote counted twice. It's only fair.

I see two different issues here.

1. Superd.s should be allowed to vote their conscience, period. That was the intent. If they factor their constituency into their decision, great (and also politically expedient), if not, so be it.

2. Everyone mentions FL and MI together and therein lies the rub. They are very different situations. Clinton was the only major candidate on the MI ballot, and it would be an incredible stretch to interpret those results in delegate distro. So, how do you count it? That conundrum colors the FL situation. Even with Clinton loyalists on the Credentials committee, that's a hard pig to sell. Pelosi has already indicated she will not allow such a mess to come to pass. So, bottom line, it's either two re-votes or a 50/50 split for face-saving participation (and a 50 state convention). If Obama leads in pledged del.s, I think he would push for the 50/50 neutral concept, which allows all states to seat delegates without affecting the dynamic. It's making the best of a bad situation.

How many languages can you say DESPERATE SORE LOSER???

Sue, I am with you completely.

Hillary is already starting to lose Democrat voters. If she continues this push to change the rules after agreeing to them, and get the nomination. As a lifelong (D) (who have never voted for an (R) for President), I would vote for McCain just to keep her out.

Prior to these shenanigans by Hillary, if it came down to Clinton v. McCain, I was going to abstain.

It is simple folks, if Florida and Michigan are to be counted, let them vote again. Obama's name was not even on the Michigan ballot. Even with that 40% of the Michigan voters did not vote for Hillary. Wake up and smell the coffee Clintons. Any kind of back room deal that gets Florida and Michigan counted, without a complete do over will irrepairably split the party.

I am from Michigan. I did not vote because I was made aware that the election will not count and the santion by the DNC. Seating the delegates means they have robbed me of my vote and dissenfranchise me. I would have excercised my vote if I knew it would count

I happen to agree that the voters of Michigan and Florida should not be disenfranchised. This IS the "Democratic Party." Since when do Democrats not let people vote? That's so ROVIAN!

I also believe that IF Michigan and Florida delegates are not seated, then Mr. Hope can't change the rules in "the middle of the game" either. He needs to accept how the Super Delegates vote, whether it's for him or not. Super Delegates are suppose to vote for who THEY think the strongest leader is, not who Mr. Hope thinks the strongest leader is. He can't have it both ways. He can't call for disenfranchising MI and FL voters AND insist the Hillary Super Delegates vote for him when they don't want to. He either supports ALL the rules, or he doesn't.

The Clinton campaign won't need to count florida and Michigan when the Larry Sinclair issue hits the airwaves about the obama campaign.

Hillary Clinton wasn't prepared to compete in more than half the states. She has belittled and mocked the voters in the 23 states she has lost so far. But now she cites the "50 state strategy" as a justification to change the rules in mid-game so she can steal a win? She continually proves herself to be dishonest, hypocritical, and a poor leader.

You don't change the rules at half-time in the middle of the Super-Bowl!!! Florida & Michigan are OUT. They knew they were breaking the rules when they moved their date. Does anyone know who is responsible for moving the 2 dates up? Maybe something can be done at the convention but for now Florida & Michigan, you SCREWED up!!! CASE CLOSED...

If Senator Clinton changes the rules in the middle of the game - rules that she AND her advisors agreed to - she destroys her credibility and her party's credibility.

It seems clear that Senator Clinton is not in this race for the good of her country.

Winning for Winning's sake?? DESPICABLE!!

I'm from Michigan and I'm quite frankly appalled at Sen Clinton trying to change the rules of the game. Yes, it would be wonderful if the Michigan and Florida delegates get a vote-- but the rules - which ALL PARTIES agreed to back in August do not allow for that possibility. There is a way out for the DNC. They could seat totally uncommitted/undeclared delegations from Michigan and Florida-- then give both Sen Clinton and Sen Obama the names of those delegates on the first day of the convention. THEN we could have an interesting convention.

How can you even include comments such as "Hillary's base is uneducated white women?! This is not only an insult to women voters, it is absolutely not in keeping with tracking information- it's merely the uninformed opinion of a right-wing anti-feminist or another fact- blind follower of Obama.

Desperate, desperate party of 1, your table is waiting for you. Maybe if you go