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Clinton Campaign: Hillary Better to Beat McCain
February 02, 2008 7:11 PM
Clinton campaign senior adviser Mark Penn has written a memo explaining why he believes Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., is far better equipped than Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., to beat the Republican who (at least at this precise moment) seems likeliest to be the GOP nominee.
Obama has been slamming McCain on the stump a lot these days, presumably to let voters imagine how he would go at it, and to assuage fears he's not tough enough for a general election -- that he can't punch or take a punch. Lots of Edwards supporters -- and maybe even Edwards himself -- share this concern.
So Mark Penn lays it out: "Hillary is the Democrat who can beat him -- because she has the strength and experience a president needs to get America on the right course and to defend it against future threats. ...Sen. Obama has been telling voters that he is the one to beat Sen. McCain because he gave a speech against the war in 2002 and because he is currently attracting independent voters. But those arguments don’t hold up to current polling, to history or to what is likely to happen in a general election.
"First, there is no support to Sen. Obama’s assertion that his 2002 speech makes him a stronger choice in a general election. Recent history shows that voters look to who they believe can end a war and protect us against future wars. No one believes that if Hillary had been president she would have started the war. In fact, Hillary is backed by prominent anti-war leaders because they believe she is uniquely able to end the war responsibly.
"Based on recent polls, there is nothing to support Sen. Obama's arguments about his prospective performance against Sen. McCain -- both Sen. Obama and Hillary start off within the margin of error against Sen. McCain. Yesterday's Fox poll showed both in a statistical tie with Sen. McCain. And Hillary's negatives are fully factored in, whereas the same cannot be said of Sen. Obama because he is -- by his own admission -- not as well known.
"Sen. Obama’s support among independents comes from Democratic-leaning independents, voters who are likely to back the eventual Democratic nominee. He has no overall advantage in the polls against Sen. McCain. But such voters have very little information about Sen. Obama. And once the Republican machine begins to methodically attack him, he will lose independent support.
"So in a head to head against Sen. McCain, Sen. Obama has no advantage with swing voters. The 2004 election was determined by two key groups -- women concerned about security and Latinos -- and against Sen. McCain those groups could again prove decisive. President Bush won 40 percent of the Latino vote in 2004 and Sen. McCain, unlike other Republicans, has been supportive of immigration reform. These are two groups that enthusiastically support Hillary."
He then concludes with a hint towards the Obama-hasn't-been-fully-vetted argument, saying, "if Sen. McCain is the nominee, Hillary is the one well-positioned to beat him. Already well vetted, she is ready to stand up to Sen. McCain on national security and put together a winning coalition of voters that will take back the White House."
And so I ask you from the press desk at a McCain rally in Atlanta, where "Johnny Be Good" is blaring in the background -- which Democrat would be most likely to beat Johnny Mack? Hillary or Barack?
- jpt
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Sorry,
Stephan Merker, My remarks were directed at Doug.
However, I have to comment our yours about Obama playing the "race card"
Sorry guy, but it was the Clintons that played the race card.
Posted by: bhall | Feb 11, 2008 2:43:19 AM
Hey Stephan Merker,
So you cannot think of a single goverment program that has been successful? Try Medicare, which has proven to be much more efficient than out barbaric private health care system in this country. The fact is there are some things government does better than the private sector, and some things the private sector does better. It's mindless worship of right wing ideaology and some abstract concept known as "the free market" that prevents you from using your God given brain and thinking pragmatically about particular issues. That is why I would never vote for McCain even though I like him personally. He still thinks the "free market" is how to solve our health care crisis; the one that is killing our middle class (How dare a middle class wage earner have the audacity to get sick in his or her old age! Take their house away, and in the process do not let them declare bankruptcy.) Oh, and by the way, I suppose you are in favor of doing away with government control of the US Navy, Army, Marines and Air Force. They are all run by the governemnt so I guess they have to be failures.
Posted by: bhall | Feb 11, 2008 2:39:28 AM
I never post on blogs, ever. But I cannot stand it --- economic prosperity? hmmm remember that ... hmmm -- universal health care on the table ... remember that -- okay. how about 8 years experience in the White House, brains, stamina, connections, money, and huge base of support among the broad band of blue collar Americans. Oops. Sorry all you rich folk who want Obama because ...umm ... he did community service and is a one term senator. Our next President must hit the ground running, surrounded by experienced people, or America will be in even great trouble than it already is in. There is only one person who can do that job: Hillary Clinton.
Posted by: Lisa West | Feb 7, 2008 1:15:35 PM
The final truth is that Hillary is much more disliked by many more people of both parties. The democratic leadership has to realize the difference between prefering one candidate (perhaps slightly more prefer Hillary) and utterly despising the other. So many of Obama's supporters truly hate Cliniton that she can't win.
Honestly, she does have the more substantive campaign. But that doesn't matter. Thousands upon thousands of democrats, liberals, and progressives HATE her. I know too many people who will give up on politics completely if she is the democratic nomninee. Bill Clinton may have been the best president we've had in a while, but his free-trade centrism is not what a mobilized progressive party wants. Hillary has shown too many times that she will adjust to a conservative agenda and that she is succeptible to big corporate contributions. She is much more likely to become "Republican-lite," in an effort to appease hard line conservatives.
Ultimately, I agree with American progressives: I do not trust Hillary.
Posted by: evan | Feb 6, 2008 3:16:16 AM
How is this a news story? This is not objective journalism but blatant free advertising for Hillary. And it is silly. Of course an advisor of hers will say she will beat McCain. She is paying his salary.
The truth is Clinton would lose to McCain. There are many news stories and polls that show the right-wing religious groups that pushed Bush into the White House will come out in droves to squash her chance to be president, their dislike of her runs deep. They represent 13-15 percent of all voters.
Clinton can't stand up against the war in Iraq against McCain because she voted yes to the Iraq resolution, giving Bush the authority to invade. And she can't say she didn't have enough information, because she has been quoted numerous times that she didn't read the NIE report before voting, as most senators did who voted no.
Posted by: Lydia | Feb 4, 2008 4:42:07 PM
A Clinton win in the Democratic primaries ASSURES a Republican Group hug and surefire defeat of the Democrats in November. Nothing motivates the righties more than a Clinton.
Posted by: Karl | Feb 4, 2008 3:16:49 PM
LOL - A Hillary Clinton nomination will collapse the Dem party. I'm already eyeing potential Independent candidates in the event that the Dems nominate Clinton. Hillary and Bill have lied to us over and over again. More importantly, they voted with Bush every step of the way, then lied about their position on the war: "I've been against the war since the beginning". That is cowardly and dishonest. Senator Obama spoke out against the war when it was unpopular to do so - when it mattered.
Posted by: EddyNewHope | Feb 4, 2008 2:49:17 PM
I am so sick and tired of empty slogans ! All the Obama supporters do is repeat slogans from his Stump speech. They have nothing of substance to say about him.
Posted by: Kay | Feb 4, 2008 2:36:07 PM
What would Hillary bring to the White House. First, she would bring her ex-con impeached husband, found guilty to obstruction of justice, lying to a federal grand jury, using the Arkansas state troopers to chauffeur him to visit him many mistresses. And what about Jennifer Flowers, Monica ("I did not have sex with that woman") Lewinsky. By the end of the first year the place would be smelling like a house of ill fame. After that, she would be engaged in paying for all the favors she owes for getting her elected.
Posted by: Randle Bate | Feb 4, 2008 1:26:13 PM
Obama would be much better against McCain. The contrast between the two is powrful and given the trends in our Country and given what people are thinking Obama has a much better chance. Hillary is establishment all the way.
Posted by: dave | Feb 4, 2008 12:07:41 PM
In the meantime THE WORLD is waiting for OBAMA. Neither the case the american citicens vote. Just look out in Japan or Europe the people are talking about him and even lesser the Clintons. Personaly, I think Obama has the best chance to get the WH back. For Hillary it'll be more difficult to win against McCain.
Posted by: gertom | Feb 4, 2008 11:59:05 AM
Bull. Hillary Clinton would lose to McCain because there are tons of independent people who do not want 4-8 more years of Bush/Clinton.
I don't care for Romney, but if he's the nominee--I'll vote for him over Clinton. I'd even take Huckabee or Santorum over Clinton. I would rather see the mouldering body of Spiro Agnew as president. Anyone but Hillary.
Clinton supporters can cut/paste the talking points all they want, but far more of America despises her than supports any of the other candidates.
Posted by: Jim | Feb 4, 2008 11:59:04 AM
In the meantime THE WORLD is waiting for OBAMA. Neither the case the american citicens vote. Just look out in Japan or Europe the people are talking about him and even lesser the Clintons. Personaly, I think Obama has the best chance to get the WH back. For Hillary it'll be more difficult to win against McCain.
Posted by: gertom | Feb 4, 2008 11:59:01 AM
Clinton is more electable, and can beat McCain. Obama cannot.
Obama vs. McCain arguement will be about the 2002 vote which to authorize use of force. Useless and distracting arguement which highlights that Obama was not even a senator at the time. Obama gets portrayed as weak on terror, weak on military, and weak on foreign affairs.
Clinton vs. McCain arguement will be about when and how to end the war in Iraq. Clinton now and carefully. McCain never surrender and stay for 100 hundred years. Easy win for Clinton. She looks strong on defense, strong against terrorism, and wise in foreign policy. McCain looks like a stubborn old man.
Clinton is a stronger candidate vs McCain. It is not even close.
Posted by: Chris NY, NY | Feb 4, 2008 10:32:47 AM
A vote for Obama is a vote for McCain. He denies his heritage and his religion. Oops made a mistake, I'm a bonehead, when caught dealing with Rezko. His hometown is not the southside of Chicago. He was born and raised in hawaii to an athiest and a muslim. His step father is muslim. He denies himself and who he is. The media will tear him apart in the general election and he dosen't have the backbone to take it. Hillary is used to it she's getting plenty of practice as the media campaigns for Obama. And for the record, we were prosperous during the Clinton administration. As a people and as a government. How soon we do forget.
Posted by: Pat | Feb 4, 2008 9:32:10 AM
polls are not always correct
however it will be interesting to see what the independents do with a McCain /Clinton happening
Posted by: D | Feb 4, 2008 8:43:09 AM
Wishful thinking from the Clinton campaign. Independents will strongly favor McCain. Hillary has too many negatives.
Posted by: jjsmith | Feb 4, 2008 8:14:42 AM
The wine salesman will never admit that his wine is bitter and bad. I am not supprised that Hillary's campaign adviser would say that she can beat Mccain. Do people really want to have the Clinton in the whitehouse? Really? I don't think so. Many will stay home during the general elections because they will not bother voting. The negatives of Hillary being so high, Mc Cain will win. For Hillary to win, the blacks and hispanics need to come out to vote, thing I don't see happening if she wins dirty against Obama. The excited youths will not come out to vote for her. All these millions who got inspired by Obama and voted for the first time, will not bother when their icon will be out. Mccain wins against Hillary, there is no doubt about that.
Posted by: le maire | Feb 4, 2008 7:26:52 AM
If McCain and Hillary are the nominees for their respective parties, I will switch to vote for Hillary. I am an Independent voter that registered Republican for the primaries because I believe in Huckabee's Fair Tax plan (fairtax.org). Hillary is willing to consider Fair Tax, when questioned about it at a rally.
Posted by: lee | Feb 4, 2008 2:56:24 AM
Obama Is NOT the Answer
Even if Obama did become President, he would still have the same issues we have today that he refuses to fix. That being his refusal to support impeachment, his refusal to get the truth on 911, his refusal to end the War in Iraq.
He doesn't want to have tit for tat anamosity in his coronation walk up Pennsylvania Ave. But I say what good is it?
His victory will look as being that Americans have stamped out racism by voting for a black President, while the majority of Congress and the Senate are only 43 black or African-Americans serving in the 110th Congress out of 435 members, while only himself being the only black US Senator of 100 members?
This is quite astonishing when there are so few Black Americans serving in Government today! And so the election is becoming a test to America's resolve in conquering racism, by voting for a Black President? And if that is the case, isn't that itself racism? If we can't elect more black Congress members and more than 1 Black Senator, how does that amount to anything of concern to the real problems in racism verses the real other issues in front of us.
How does racism come before ending the war, investigating 911, and bringing justice to the War crimes of Bush and Cheney through the process of impeachment?
He wrongly believes:
*Paying more at Wal-Mart is worth it for having US jobs. Yet he doesn't like China, where all the goods come from to Walmart: he says:
Europe & Japan are allies, but China is a competitor, Insist on labor and human rights standards for China trade. Bring China to the mat for the currency barb.
*Grow size of military to maintain rotation schedules
*Voted YES on implementing the 9/11 Commission report
*Voted YES on reauthorizing the PATRIOT Act
*Voted YES on $47B for military by repealing capital gains tax cut
*Hopes to remove all troops from Iraq by 2013, but no pledge.
"He's a flip flopper"
*Invading Iraq was a bad strategic blunder, but says:
*Military action in Pakistan if we have actionable intel
*FactCheck: Yes, Obama said invade Pakistan to get al Qaeda
*Iran with nuclear weapons is a profound security threat
*Explore nuclear power as part of alternative energy mix, which also means supporting the Depleted Uranium Industry, yet denies Iran the same.
*Extend welfare and Medicaid to illegal immigrants
*Voted YES on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security
*Real estate deal with felon was "boneheaded" but ethical
*Ok to expose 6-year-olds to gay couples; they know already
yet says: All kids should learn about sexual abuse.
Whatever his ambitions he is going no where until this Iraq War is ended and we are out of Iraq, and Afghanistan. His anti impeachment stance is indicative of his War theme, which is nothing more than a Black Bush in the White House.
I don't think Americans want another Colin Powell rerun.
We can go on about our choices toward awarding the office to a Black verses a woman, but wouldn't it solve the problem if we all voted for Oprah?
We are talking about a monumental realization that Obama an unchartered rookie 3 year Senator with no political establishment is going to step in after a major attack on the USA, that killed thousands of Americans, with his fresh administration that even lacks people support in Congress and the Senate and feel safe about the direction and attitude of the nation?
We have Hillary who does have experience since being with her husband for the 2 terms they served, and that institution is still intact waiting to be primed and retuned for the shift.
I think if we are to have a change of President it would make more sense at this time for Hillary. Now I want to be clear that Hillary has yet to come out in support of Impeachment either, and shows more of a willingness to end war, than Obama. Hillary does not mention invading Pakistan, and I would think she would not.
*Absolutely oppose the war in Iraq. (Oct 2007)
*Bring out as many combat troops as quickly as possible. (Oct 2007)
*Goal to remove all troops from Iraq by 2013, but no pledge If Bush doesn't end Iraq war, when I'm president, I will. (Mar 2007)
*Require Bush to redeploy or seek additional authority Cap troops in Iraq and no more blank check for war. (Feb 2007)
*Cut off funds for Iraqi use, but not for troops. (Jan 2007)
*Phased redeployment out of Iraq, beginning immediately. (Oct 2006)
*Agrees with Newt Gingrich that Iraq policy is a mess.
In fact I am ashamed of both for not being more open to the people in countering the lies and using Impeachment to correct the injustices.
They both ignore the thousands of lost lives of innocent Iraqis, and I would think if we brought justice to that it would heal Iraq much quicker, and give Iraq the justice it needs at this time in seeing that America is a nation of Laws.
This would change the entire attitude of the Middle East, and I even think would change the terrorist activites of Hamas and the Israeli Palestinian issues.
When we ignore the rule of law, and continue on the war path we drain ourselves and lose the influence we so try to acquire.
Myself I suffer greatly here in China, because the Chinese people really look down on America because of the War. Americans can not really be themselves always looking over my shoulder to why this didn't happen, or someone is out to stop my ambitions toward success. It is really terrible.
Here I did not support War, so I leave the US because the US really does not respect freedom of Religion, a religion that forbids war. They force people to pay taxes against religious values. And yet the very American Institution that supports the separation of Church and State think nothing about it in concern to Israels Religious State. It's highly hypocritical.
Now I face a dilimmena in which I have no renewal to my contract here because of the non-confidence and I am left without a job, having a wife and 2 children to support, and no house to live in. I am looking more and more to climbing a tall building to jump off the world because of this unseemingly unjust mess. There is too much pressure. I am at wits end, and left believing that ......dead is somehow better?
In fact many of these issues I think is why China keeps the unchanged currency locked, because making China part of the lawlessness in America is something they don't want to do in the eyes of the world.
Can you imagine if they increased the yuan value to promote US trade? It would give more money for Bush and the war effort. They don't support war, and that's why we have this trade and currency dispute.
Granted the China government supports the US while the US allows trade from China, but they certainly do not accept the injustices of the Bush Administration and the idea that the US can simply ignore the unjust War in Iraq.
So all the blaming of China from the US, needs to be retracted and the US bring justice to their own situation.
This means Impeachment and its success.
I know once the war is ended, and justice is brought to the thousands of victims in Iraq; better relations will come, and trade with America will be of utmost concern.
They will make China currency more in line to American and vice a versa.
So the issue is bringing justice. Barack is clearly opposed, in which I have his letter of non support to impeachment, and Hillary has yet made a committment, although I feel she would be more inclined to favor impeachment since the fiasco that happened to her husband.
The bet is she would favor impeachment. If not...we are in for a long grueling unhappy state of affairs of the same neglection of Justice for the innocent.
Obama is not the Answer, and with his reluctance to protect the rights of the innocent victims in Iraq, really proves how discriminatory and racist he is.
If it's not about Race Barack, then are you in this campaign only for yourself or for others who died by the hand of Bush?Clearly Mr. Obama you are pushing a Hypocritical Democratic Agenda.
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Posted by: Dominic Jermano | Feb 4, 2008 2:32:47 AM
Hillary Rodham Clinton is a DOER, not a talker like Obama. Go to Hillary Clinton's biography and then to her Senate page and find out her voting record-----then go to Obama's biography and then see his Senate record of voting and see what the difference is. THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE. Hillary has much more experience at getting involved with problems and ACTUALLY doing things to make change happen. She is a DOER. Her Senate record also shows that she was PRESENT TO VOTE on things more than Obama was. THAT, alone, tells you what kind of working President she would be. THAT tells us that she has had experience at solving problems, she was not absent to vote as a Senator----nor did she vote just "Present" (and sit on the fence) instead of "yes" or "no" on issues like Obama did 100 times in the Senate when he could have taken a stand FOR SOMETHING. Vote Hillary Clinton on Tuesday for a working President that has experience at solving problems.
Posted by: Hillary for President '08 ! | Feb 3, 2008 8:30:46 PM
We have seen Hillary and Obama debate. We have seen how Hillary has done her homework---she is on top of current events happening, and she has thought-out what she wants to do for America, including HOW she will go about it. Obama has offered no concrete plan, because he knows if he does, he will be criticized. Instead, Obama aligns himself with what Hillary has said all along, except for healthcare and when he would bring the troops home. Obama rambles and stutters and makes no sense when he tries to make a point in a debate. Hillary thinks on her feet, is clear and specific and concise, is able to get her message across to the audience, and can handle any criticism from ANYBODY.... and is gracious, above all.
Obama would not be able to debate ANY republican candidate and will cost us the opportunity for the White House. Watch the Democratic debates if you want to judge for yourself. Geez, don't take MY word for it....educate yourselves!!!
Posted by: Get America Back On Track | Feb 3, 2008 7:52:32 PM
He will not get all Hillary supporters, I know a lot of people that have never crossed party lines, that have said if he is the democratic nominee they will go with McCain due to his lack of experience and credibility once you look at his voting recording. He is very condescending though and cocky. To bad most of america is to brainwashed not to see it. They will when he lets them all down, just like Bush did to his followers 8 years ago.
Posted by: Dave | Feb 3, 2008 7:46:58 PM
I being a democrate have come to realize at this time neither of our candidates will win in November. The republican's will take the whitehouse despite all these stupid polls. Obama has already gone too to the far left with Moveon.org, kennedy's and other liberal backers. No real liberal democrate has won POTUS in years. A majority of moderate democrates have or all ready will side with the republicans given a Obama-McCain candidacy. And Hillary is just trashed by the media over and over again, and the independants have just been to brainwashed to come back to the base. COme the national election Obama will not be the media darling for reality will set in to the media.
Posted by: Gwen | Feb 3, 2008 7:42:21 PM
Was Obama a used car salesman? After all the "feel good" speeches, he is more in line with dirty republican politics. It's like "W" all over again. I'll go with a proven winner and you can keep your drivers license for the illegals. I was born here in the USA and I will vote for Hillary.
Posted by: Miguel | Feb 3, 2008 6:58:48 PM
HILLARY is a better candidate (PERIOD).
Obama has no plans for this country; it is rhetoric. His one plan for health care is disasterous; 15 million uninsured!!!!! Look at Chicago hospitals before you vote.
Posted by: mjo | Feb 3, 2008 6:00:06 PM
So many of the posts I read are from folks supporting Hillary because things were so 'wonderful' during their time in the WH. If things were so 'wonderful', Gore should have been a shoe-in for Prez in 2000. But he lost (albeit by a narrow margin). Even without voter fraud, the election should not even have been close. But an awful lot of Independents voted against the Democrats because of the Clintons and the shennanigans that went on during their administration. This election in November is the Democrats to lose. And they will with the Clintons as their candidates. And I don't care what line Hillary is feeding you, she, by her own admission, sat in on White House meetings when she was First Lady (her experience??), so what makes you think that Bill won't be doing the same. Term #3 No change--more of the same. But at least the tabloids will make money.
Posted by: justanopinion | Feb 3, 2008 5:39:16 PM
It is sad but not surprising as I read all these opinions, that the Republican "machine" is so adept at spewing out hate----reminds me of many of the speeches made by Hitler on display in the Holocaust museum. The views from Democrats seemed far less emotional, more reflective and based on sound reasoning. When will you right wing Republicans realize that life is not solely "black" or "white", but contains many shades of "gray"? Maybe those "gray" shades are too difficult for you to deal with, so it is easier to espouse a strategy of avoidance rather than deal with them. Yes, Rob-Is-Right--you are a classic example.
Posted by: Sane Person | Feb 3, 2008 4:04:07 PM
Why has ABC turned into one big subtle Hillary-booster? We are fed verbatim a "memo" from Penn, Clinton's strategist as news. Why is ABC playing right into the Clinton campaign's hands. Do your own journalism - don't just cram Clinton talking points down our throats as news.
Posted by: Sick of ABC | Feb 3, 2008 3:54:54 PM
Hillary's "experience" mantra isn't going to hold up well against McCain, who has held elective office much longer than she has (even if you consider the somewhat dubious proposition that her years in the Clinton White House are equivalent to experience in elected office), not to mention his military experience. It seems that the Clinton campaign either doesn't understand or doesn't want to acknowledge that experience can be a negative, depending on what the experience has been and what the electorate expects from experienced politicians.
Posted by: bureaubasher | Feb 3, 2008 3:02:04 PM
The Far right wing of the Republican Party disloikes and distrusts John McCain. they will sit out the election unless we Democrats are foolish enough to nominate Hillary---the only person in America who can unite these idiots behind McCain
They hate her so much that they will come out in droves just to prevent her from becoming President.
Posted by: political realist | Feb 3, 2008 1:21:14 PM
Clinton will bring back honor and dignity to the oval office. She is the definition of 'is'! Go Hillary and Bill!
Posted by: jeff m | Feb 3, 2008 1:21:08 PM
Clinton would lose to McCain
Obama would beat McCain.
Posted by: PulSamsara | Feb 3, 2008 11:43:46 AM
How is it that Hillary supporters honestly beleive that she has a real chance to win? I mean, I guess she looks like a great candidate amongs democrats, because they have an unhealthy lust for all things Clinton. Nobody else does. With the Clintons it's all or nothing. It's either insatiable attraction to the Clintons or sheer contempt. The only time a Clitnon is going to win a majority now is only among democrats themselves. Most people find the thought of another Clinton a sick proposal at best. Still, nothing will tear the nation apart more than the Clintons. I won't fight for Obama, but I will fight against the nasty Clintons. They are disgusting, power hungry, dysfunctional, evil, democrats. Obama is a socialist democrat, but not the psycopath that either of the Clintons are.
Posted by: TexBork | Feb 3, 2008 11:10:03 AM
I think that obama is the right person to vote for because he wants to stop the war in iraq and bring them back to their homes. Obama has big plans for this country.he is the right one, and finally somebody that changes the terribal conditions of this country. Hilary is phony she seems to care about hispanics which she doesnt .the comercials of her kissing those little hispanic kids dont prove that she cares she only says what people want to hear.and of course she wants to win the hispanics vote because the majority of hispanics are looking for a prsidents that help them out. Hilary changes of opinion too fast. she was with bush when he sent the people to iraq to fight in the war. she is with that. she says she wants to bring economy ,but how shes going to do that if she doesnt stop the war. All the money is going over there, supporting the people that are in the war.
Posted by: joseline | Feb 3, 2008 11:08:43 AM
I know exactly what Mark Penn is talking about. Google "Larry Sinclair"
Posted by: Karen | Feb 3, 2008 10:48:40 AM
Obama is doing exactly what I expected-
using the race card and race baiting to downplay his lack of leadership and experience compared to Clinton.s.
Obama is going to cost us the election if he and his ignorant wife keep shooting their mouths off. She is no Bill Clinton in her best moment or ever.
Go back to Illinois and shut up.
Posted by: stephen merker | Feb 3, 2008 10:23:23 AM
Do you people realize how many scandals the Clintons have been involved in over the course of their lives? But that all gets swept under the carpet if your a liberal. Because if it for the "right reasons" it's ok. Billary are nothing but crooks that tell the uninformed what they want to hear. Wake up and read a little. Anyone who thinks a socialist is going to turn this country around is living in denial or ignorance. This is a free market society and will be torn apart with your social services for the poor and lazy. Why is it so hard for people to take care of their own lives. Stop waiting for the government to take of you. The polictians ruin everything the touch. Can't think of a single gov't run program that is successful. So why on earth would you vote for a candidate that pushes socialist plans? JOHN MCCAIN IS THE ONLY SENATOR THAT HAS NEVER HAD A EARMARK OF PORK ON HIS RECORD. That is the kind of politician this country needs.
Posted by: Doug | Feb 3, 2008 10:12:10 AM
OBAMA WAS WRONG FOR USING THE RACE CARD.I WILL BE VOTING FOR SENATOR HILLARY CLINTON.
Posted by: JOHN | Feb 3, 2008 9:12:13 AM
Some people don't understand why the media is so for Obama. It's simple, they like to build someone up so they can tear them down. Just think of the stories they can come up with later on. They have already torn into Hillary and thrown the carcas out!
Posted by: UBS | Feb 3, 2008 9:04:00 AM
I can see why the uninformed would be impressed with Obama's speaches. I cannot see how a person who actually looks at the facts (but does not have a hidden agenda i.e. Kennedys) would vote for him.
Posted by: jack | Feb 3, 2008 9:01:04 AM
Of course the Clinton camp says it will win. It says everything it thinks you want to hear to get her to vote for you. Hillary has already shown what a FINK she is by lying to the early primary states about Florida. First she tells them it won't count, then after they vote, she tells them she will try to make them count.
She will do anything and say anything for power. don't believe her. Remember when Bill was running, how everything was Hillary's fault? Don't be fooled again.
Posted by: Karen | Feb 3, 2008 8:55:54 AM
The same people who gave the $32M to Obama are the ones who can't make their house payment. If he is elected, his "mortgage fund" which is an extension of welfare will help them out. We will end up paying for this through higher taxes. In effect, we would all be contributing to his election it's just that were paying later!
Posted by: jas | Feb 3, 2008 8:53:41 AM
Look at Obama's lack of back bone standing up to the nuclear group in his home state. How can anyone say he would stand up for other issues such as healthcare. The only "change" he made regarding nuclear plants reporting leaks was to his originally submitted legislation. Obama may give a good speach but he is not a leader with any proven record. Wake up America and look at his real record!
Posted by: GES | Feb 3, 2008 8:43:16 AM
Please vote for Obama, the first black president.
Posted by: vote for black | Feb 3, 2008 8:09:36 AM
Bush is divisive. Hillary is divisive. Not convinced, check her negatives. The country can not stand another Bush or Clinton. While Obama has not proved to me he would be a real change, a zebra can't change her stripes. Clinton only started claiming she was the change candidate after Obama started doing so well. She supported the war and then wanted to get out - funny, it mirrored the country's feelings not her own position. Typical Clinton tactics. The simple fact is that McCain and Obama have appeal outside of their parties. They, therefore, represent the best hope for the country in coming together again.
Posted by: Jason Bowman | Feb 3, 2008 7:30:44 AM
I would not have either of the Clintons as the head of our military. As the mother of an officery my concerns would more than double. She's showed what she is made of already.... and it is not a stable construct -- crying shows an emotional construct that is not worthy to hold the title of Commander in Chief...... not ever... not ever!
Posted by: Deborah | Feb 3, 2008 7:22:38 AM
OBAMA WAS WRONG TO PLAY THE RACE CARD.IM VOTING FOR SENATOR HILLARY CLINTON.
Posted by: JOHN | Feb 3, 2008 6:44:32 AM
Obama can clearly do better in a match up against McCain. If only Dems can get over their innate bigotry. McCain will bash her with Iraq because he is more resolute in his position while she seems confused and in denial. If she has a moment of indecision and avoidance with MCain like the LA debate, she is thru!!!
She embodies the worst of the Democratic Party's malaise about standing for something. She got caught trying to imitate Republicans and it backfired. But sadly, Dem voters see dynasty and identity politics as more important than practicality.
Posted by: dionysus | Feb 3, 2008 6:41:27 AM
I was against the vote authorizing military force against Iraq also. I publicly stated that position many many times, and I was right. I like Senator Obama held no office at the time with gave me the duty, authority, or risk of actually making that decision. The fact that I was right may qualify me to be the next President. So here I am, vote for me, I will just keep repeating my stand against the Iraq War from the beginning and that should be sufficient to convince you that I have good judgment on every problem facing this country from rebuilding the infrastructure, providing water for the southwest (which is in a drought which will probably last in the 100s of years), deal will the effects of global warming, etc etc. Thank you, I am ready to lead.
Posted by: sandy | Feb 3, 2008 6:01:24 AM
I would like to inform Mr. Jake that this comparison of previous polls in the case of Obama and Clinton does not hold water because in our history we have never had a black presidential aspirant or a woman presidential aspirant who seems to be electable to compare to. It is baseless to say that Clinton is more positioned to beat Mccain. On what basis? This is the same assumption that was made in New Hampshire that Obama was winning by a wide margin but I hope that you are informed of the outcome. That is why there was a statistical tie in South Carolina between Obama and Clinton but I hope that you know what the outcome was. Obama won by a whopping 55% with Clinton at a mere 27%.
It is important to note though, that some history trancends this trends based on how a candidate performs. Obama has been able to attract a new breed of voters and those are the ones that are going to make or break this interesting primaries.
Posted by: Zac G | Feb 3, 2008 4:28:32 AM
I appreciate the enthusiasm and support for Senator
Obama, but I have the added responsibility of choosing
the right candidate for my son's future.
Experience is not a bad word, everyone who works in
Washington, D.C. is not a crook or corrupt and Senator
Clinton is definitely not "more of the same".
I have faith in Senator Clinton, but more importantly,
I trust Senator Clinton to immediately address the
urgent problems we are facing, and to turn America
around so that my son will grow up in a greater Nation
than one we have now.
For the greater good of America, our soldiers and my
son, I would very much like to see Senator Obama as
the Vice Presidential nominee alongside Senator
Clinton as the Presidential nominee. Such a pairing
would undoubtedly be successful in November, and such
an Administration would do wonders for America, and
for the world, for at least the next 16 years.
Posted by: chris | Feb 3, 2008 4:08:41 AM
I am a very liberal democrat and I feel Hillary Clinton is the best choice for America. We need economic growth and Hillay's plan will achieve that. Notice Obama didn't have a plan annouced until Hillary annouced Her's in California. Hillary also has the best plan for Health Care because she has been fighting for it her entire political career. Hillary Clinton super tuesday!
Posted by: Andrew Miller | Feb 3, 2008 3:34:30 AM
First of all, everyone is afraid of the Republicans attacking the Democrats, but they really have nothing to attack, and they themselves have nothing to offer besides bullying.
And on the economy: I've heard all my life that being conservative is better for the economy, but think about how these conservatives actually handle the economy - for the most part terribly. Where they got this reputation for being economically more prudent than the "tax and spend" liberals is beyond me. All I've seen from them is tax breaks for the wealthy while the middle and lower classes economically freeze or dwindle. And the money they are willing to spend on war, defense research and corporations is unprecedented while poorer people are ironically given more bureacracy to deal with.
Posted by: Vicki | Feb 3, 2008 3:25:58 AM
Kay Parker: "To all you brainless democrats that say you will not vote for Hillary, but would rather have a republican in office."
Not all of us are Democrats. I'm a libertarian, favoring both individual freedom and economic freedom.
Obama and Clinton both take positions on social issues I find preferable to McCain's -- but only Obama has the guts to get anything done. Clinton is a triangulating coward who will, for instance, throw gays under the bus, just like her husband did. McCain's positions are lousy, but his priorities lie elsewhere -- he doesn't care enough about social issues to push them. While Obama can be a great healer, under either Clinton or McCain the nation will make no progress -- so between those two it's a wash.
On economics, Clinton is a central-command interventionist -- witness her horrifying enthusiasm for a five-year interest rate freeze. Obama is liberal, but he's at least listened to conservative critiques and speaks like he understands how markets work. I trust him to work on income equality without killing the golden goose.
There are a lot of swing voters like me who are socially liberal and economically conservative. Clinton won't get a lot of our votes. Obama will, and that's why he's the stronger general election candidate.
Posted by: Creamy Goodness | Feb 3, 2008 2:17:17 AM
Hillary Clinton is the best for AMERICAN people now. If you want the american economy to plunge deeper to recession --- go ahead for obama...
With the two, it is only Hillary that give more specifics on what she is going to do. While, obama purely depends on his charismatic talkings.
I rather vote for someone with clear vision for the american people than someone who just ride on "change, we can"...HILLARY CLINTON for PRESIDENT....
Posted by: Kikz | Feb 3, 2008 1:36:50 AM
First, let us stop pretending that anyone's political past "qualifies" him or her to run a nation. There will be on the job training. Second, let us look to what each candidate has done, and note that Obama may be inexperienced, but so is Hillary if you discount her years as a first lady, which is not an elected office and not a position with security clearance. Moreover, Hillary made the worst bad judgment call of this millenium in voting for the war. Do I think she would have gone to war as president? I don't know, but it's certainly not clear to me that she wouldn't when she, in fact, voted for it.
Just say no to Billary.
Posted by: Marie | Feb 3, 2008 1:05:32 AM
Mark Penn's insights are blinding. Hillary is the most electable because she has experience! That'll show McCain! The Dems will whup a longtime Senate leader with decades of foreign policy and military experience by nominating a political wife who was a cattle-futures-playing lawyer in Arkansas! Geez, I can't believe Mark Penn actually gets paid.
Posted by: phillygirl | Feb 3, 2008 12:46:14 AM
I think Hillary will do very well on Super Tuesday.
Posted by: goldenstate | Feb 3, 2008 12:41:53 AM
His memo is not entirely misleading. People haven't quite made up their mind about Obama one way or the other the way they have about Hillary.
On the other hand, the more they learn about him, the more they tend to like him, not vice versa. In the last 2 months he has gone from being a second tier candidate to a plausible front-runner to be reckoned with. His poll numbers continue to climb and contrary to what Clinton's campaign advisor suggests, he has nearly reached McCain in the polling, coming within half a point in January, while Clinton remains a further 2 points behind. Clinton's adviser suggests that this is within the margin of error and that statistically they are indistinguishable. This would be true if it were a single poll, but when this discrepancy remains after averaging over 10 polls taken by different organizations, the results become harder to dismiss.
His analysis of independents, women, and latinos is misleading too. If this was the case, they would already be "factored in" to Hillary's current polling numbers. Since Barack's immigration reform (for example) is essentially the same as Hillary's, wouldn't the Latino crowd be just as likely to support him should he receive the party's endorsement?
One could argue that Barack's 2 point lead over Hillary (against McCain) is statistically insignificant, but it would be a stretch to argue the opposite... that Hillary is actually more electable.
Posted by: William | Feb 3, 2008 12:30:27 AM
When you go to the voting booths, don't forget the American Infant Infantry, who knows how many million strong, waiting for us in the afterlife. Neither Hillary nor Obama qualify to make any decisions for the American people because neither of them care about the lives of American infants.
Posted by: Daleri | Feb 3, 2008 12:27:45 AM
Own it Hillary. You voted for war. You need character, though, to admit to it. And when will you find that "voice"?
Posted by: Lazrus | Feb 3, 2008 12:26:52 AM
Sure, Obama's negatives may rise in a general election as people get to know him better--but so would his support.
It's what's been shown time and time again in the Democratic race so far; the more time people have to get to know him, the more they like him.
Americans know Hillary--and all she can do is tie McCain. I'm pretty sure Obama can do better after people are exposed to him.
Posted by: Gothamite | Feb 3, 2008 12:14:39 AM
whether you like her or not, Hillary is the most qualified person to be the next president. She has well thought out proposals and she is bringing solutions to the table for discusion. She actually has done the research and understands the various options. Granted that many folks may not agree with her propsals...at least she is bringing them up for discussion. Obama continues to talk at such a high level...using clever sound bytes, but has not been able to articulate any detail to provided substance to his proposal that would enable a dialog. Obama has made negative comments toward opponents when he allegedly is supposed to be running a positive campaign. Say what you will about Hillary. She does have the strength, qualification, skills, intelligence, knowledge, and hands on experience working with republicans and democrats to make progress for a better america. You may not like her personality or tone of voice. If you can look past all that and make a rational, objective evaluation...then you an see why she is the best candidate. I have no affiliation with her campaign. I'm in the camp that is not sure about her personality or tone of voice. I have trained myself to look past that and "tune into" the message and content. I've attempted to do the same with Obama...but the sad news is...he doesn't provide anything other than "sound bytes" so he is either unwilling or unprepared to provide us similar level of detail. I won't always agree with a president on everything. I do believe that Hillary has good intentions to serve the amerian people and will do a great job. its taken me a while to reach this conclusion because I was initially influced by the slick, smooth Obama cheer leading sessions. However, I've gotten past the surface and dug down to the next layer and discovered that layer to be empty. Where as Hillary is very deep and well thought out.
Posted by: Terry | Feb 3, 2008 12:06:43 AM
I'm an independent minded Democrat, and endorsements by famous personalities, newspapers, and organizations with hidden agendas that do not have America's best interests at heart mean nothing to me.
I've compared the two candidate's position on the issues and their experience, and I'm convinced Senator Clinton is the best choice for President.
Posted by: Clark | Feb 2, 2008 11:52:33 PM
Reality check: Obama has been out of law school for 15 years; for part of those 15 years he worked as an associate in a law firm and a law school professor; he ten spent 8 years in the State Senate and 2 years in the US Senate before jumping into this race. What trials and tribulations has he experienced in his life that will help us understand how he and his family will react to the full force of the republican mean machine?
I was leaning to Obama until the LA debate and when I realized that his "new style of politics" isn't new at all -- in all of his stump speeches he makes negative attacks on Clinton but doesn't really tell us what he's going to do to change things. So he talks a good game, but even in this campaign he's not following through on his talk.
So this swing voter has swung to Hillary this week - despite the fact that everyone in the media seems to want to convince me to vote for Obama -- where are Walter Cronkrite and the real objective newspeople when we need them!
Posted by: bemused | Feb 2, 2008 11:48:36 PM
Isn't this exciting! We are actually discussing the possibility of a black (half black) man becoming President of the United States! : ) ...but I still would not vote for him because he does not fully support the life of the American infants... I can hardly believe that I even have to say such a thing. We as a people still have a long way to go! :_(
Posted by: Daleri | Feb 2, 2008 11:48:18 PM
Penn makes some good points, but the weakness in his argument--probably a fatal weakness--is a miscalculation regarding independents. John McCain is winning because of his run to the middle where the independents are. He has, e.g., Lieberman at his side. Independents, by definition, pride themselves on an unswerving focus on "what's best for the country" versus party "leanings". The winning candidate will not only need leaning or sympathetic independents, she or he will need energized and motivated independents. The South Carolina primary results indicate not only Obama's ability to energize but, almost more importantly Clinton's LACK of ability to do so. A Clinton McCain contest will mirror Ker