Clinton v Obama

I say Barack Obama knows his math quite well!

Obama was a Civil Rights Attorney and taught Constitutional law... we need a great leader with experience fighting for our civil rights! Amen. President Obama has arrived for todays times!

The Clinton campaign didn't have a healthcare plan before it felled and they don't have one now. Well to be honest, if everyone is a goverment employee, then the Clinton healthcare plan will work for everyone. Unfortunately some are self employed, independent contractors or work for private employors or small business. Under the Clinton healthcare plan these people would be penalized if they don't pay for their healthcare. This means that most of your family members and friends will have their paychecks garnished. We all know that it doesn't stop there if it is a goverment enforcement. There will be fines and then misdemeanors which is a criminal offense defined as less serious than a felony. Why did Ms. Clinton decide on this approach? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out. Big business, big Corporation call it what you will, they want their money back and in order for Ms. Clinton to get their support in her race to presidency she is giving victory to one side (the healthcare providers) by promising to them that she will have the poeople wages garnished if they continue to give healthcare. Thus allowing her to shout the words "UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE" This is a shady tactic and makes fools out of every american that falls for this trick. The Obama healthcare plan is for the people. Poor people, middle class and rich people can rest assured that there is no tricks or penalties in the Obama healthcare plan. VOTE OBAMA

Obama will win 2008, not because he is Black but because he offers hope for some new ideas in the white house. Hillary is the old idea and thinks she can win by attacking Obama.

I am sick and tired of people talking about Hillary's experience, what experience does she have? She was the first lady for 8 years and what did she accomplish?. I can not beleive that this country will ellect another Clinton as president. The had their turn. Why should only two families rule this nation for over 20 years? The clintons' and the bushs' are not the only families capable of ruling this nation. Hillary will regret all the bad campaign she is using against Obama after she loses because she will lose. She is just over ambitious and right now is not sure of her stand on the issues so she wants to attack Obama. This country want change and changing from Bush to Obama is the right change and not to another Clinton.

to a fifteen year old: ted kennadys a real good model isnt he, a non recovering alchoholic{im recovering,so i can pass sentiment on this]who drove a car off a bridge and left a young woman to drown.he conviently did not call police until the next day!if that had been you or me we would have been charged with manslauter and would have gone to prison,but when your from the old political world of the kennadys you go free. yea obamas a great judge of carithure.empty suit just like gwb just a different party.remember in 2000 people voted for gwb because they thought they could have a beer with him and that worked out well dont you think.the country needs substance not a rock star with no experiance.

willie brown said the exact same thing bill clinton said about jesse jeackson having built a coalition in his campaign and no one said it was code words, obamas recent comments o claws and this comment he made the other day are sexist, his campaign pushed the race issue in sc, see tim russert's question at that debate, he holds up 5 pages by obama staffers of alleged clinton racist comments for use in the debate, obama apologized and acknowledged it but no one said a word after that,
we need experience right ow and we all every one of us deserve health insurance, universal is the way to go, i have worked in health ins for 20 years they will nibble you to death just like hillary said, she had this experience and she has seen it happen, she passed schip after she couldnt break the republican business anti universal healthcare coalition in 94, this time even business is behind it, uaw jobs are going to canada b/c they have subsidized health care costs, these are facts, lowering costs will not keep jobs here, universal health care will..

American's hear the spouse of the one seeking for the highest office of the land: "Jesse Jackson won South Carolina in '84 and '88. Jackson ran a good campaign. And Obama ran a good campaign here". An ex-President of this Great Country had to make this divisive state because Hillary's ambition to become the President is more important than the unity of the Country he presided for 8 years. Get this! Personal ambition of the Clintons is more important than the well-being of America. Do you see the danger ahead?
Hillary's hot ambition to become the president has, again, made her jettison a path of honor. Before the FL and MI elections, she had supported the DNC's rule FL and MI delegates would not count because the brought their elections forward. After "winning" in an uncontested elections, she has changed her mind. Now she says, they should count. Do you all see that we are dealing with a candidate that lacks honor? Do you still want to go ahead and make the same mistake that has put all of us in this mess for the past 7 years? A word is a enough for the wise voters of this Great Nation.

Obama or anyone else has a useless health plan if the plan is noit universal upfront. Inevitably young people will thinks they are immune from health issues. Inevitably they will have health issues and we will all pay for the care anyway

Clearly Obama either doesn't understand the economics of pooled risk or he chooses not to understand.

Either way he is a disaster waiting to happen should he get to the White House.

To Lee Davis: It is inaccurate to say that Barack Obama's heatlh care plan will leave out 15 million people who really want health care--that figure is made up of those who could afford it, but just don't want it. Ted Kennedy said that he would never have endorsed Obama if he wasn't confident that his plan would cover everyone who wanted health care. I think he knows what he's talking about. Mr. Obama is serrious about fighting for the needs of the poor--read his biography and look at the dedicated work he has done for inner-city poor and the victims of inequality in his life.

I have no doubt that Senator CLinton menas well, but I question her ability to bring about real results for Americans. The main reason her health care reform efforts failed miserably in the 90's was because she was secretive and uninclusive of others in the process. Thus, she was unable to build the kind of coalition that would have been needed to provide health care for everyone.
Mr. Obama will provide health care for all tho want it by fighitng the drug companies to lower premiums and subsidizing health care for those who need the financial help. And most importantly, he will be able to reach out accross party lines to actually get the reforms passed.

As a teenager, it is not only inspiring, but also motivating, to watch and support Mr. Obama in his run for the White House--a run that I Hope will soon be successful.

Lee Davis: It is inaccurate to say that Barack Obama's heatlh care plan will leave out 15 million people who really want health care--that figure is made up of those who could afford it, but just don't want it. Ted Kennedy said that he would never have endorsed Obama if he wasn't confident that his plan would cover everyone who wanted health care. I think he knows what he's talking about. Mr. Obama is serrious about fighting for the needs of the poor--read his biography and look at the dedicated work he has done for inner-city poor and the victims of inequality in his life.

I have no doubt that Senator CLinton menas well, but I question her ability to bring about real results for Americans. The main reason her health care reform efforts failed miserably in the 90's was because she was secretive and uninclusive of others in the process. Thus, she was unable to build the kind of coalition that would have been needed to provide health care for everyone.
Mr. Obama will provide health care for all tho want it by fighitng the drug companies to lower premiums and subsidizing health care for those who need the financial help. And most importantly, he will be able to reach out accross party lines to actually get the reforms passed.

As a teenager, it is not only inspiring, but also motivating, to watch and support Mr. Obama in his run for the White House--a run that I Hope will soon be successful.

James Danley, you can spin it any way you want to......I just don't agree with YOUR version.....

You know, I was initially an Obama supporter. However, after reading about his accomplishments (I mean lack of), he appears to be an empty suit! It is easy to criticize Hillary on her vote on the War. However, he was not in the difficult position to make the hard choice. He was in Illinois making deals behind closed doors with his lobbyists. If he becomes the Democratic nominee, my vote goes to McCain and I'm not even a Republican!

It's a rough morning already! Bill Clinton was governor for 3 years (Jan 1979- Jan 1981, had a two-year break; and then had a stretch of 10 years (Jan 1983-Dec 1992). So make that 13 years as governor. My apologizes to F. Frances! Your point IS quite valid!

Sorry, it was 10 years (Arkansas) vs 6 years (Texas). So maybe more experience. But certainly not better experience!

F.Frances, you wrote: "Bill's experience made it all work. Thank God for him. Experience does matter, look what our current President has done for us over these last seven plus years. Did his lack of experience during his first year - do us any good?"

Please explain to me how 8 years as being the governor of Arkansas (population of 2.3 million in 1990) equates to more or a better experience that 8 years as governor of Texas (population of 17.0 million in 1990 and 20.8 million in 2000)?

There are two kinds of politicians: those who empower people and ask them to work together for the common benefit of a country, and those who use and abuse the votes of the simple minds to empower their own self egotistical ambitions and sometime to enrich their own pockets. Sen.Obama is embodied in the first type and Mrs. Clinton and fam. in the second one. I know who I am voting for again on November this year!

DCVoter makes me wonder if he's really that ignorant and misinformed, or if he's just one of the Clinton shills who have spamming all the forum in the last couple of weeks.

PLEASE, everyone, get your information about the candidates from reputable sources, not posters like DCVoter who just make it up as they go along.

Example: Michelle was addressing black voters who said they thought Barack was the best candidate, but they didn't want to throw away their vote because they didn't think white people would vote for him. She told them to have faith that voters would vote for the best candidate, regardless of race.

It was the actions of the Republican controlled Congress from 1995-2000 that lead to the balanced budgets of 1999 and 2000 and any perceived surplus. President Bill Clinton went on for the ride, and gets the credit! But it was President Clinton who greatly reduced or military and decimated our intelligence agencies. It was President Clinton who failed to recognize that the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center was an act of war by al Qaeda. He failed to adequately retaliate for the bombings of our embassies in Kenya and Tanzania by al Qaeda in 1998. And he did absolutely nothing when al Qaeda attacked the USS Cole in 2000. It was President Clinton's incompetency that embolded al Qaeda to plan and carry out the attacks of 9/11.

Thank God that President Bush had the courage to take on al Qaeda. And his vision of a free and democratic Iraq as a role model for the rest of the Middle East, along with the two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian crisis, are the only hope for any long term peace in the Middle East. And the door is actually ajar to that path IF we have the will to stay the course!

But the Democrats and the Liberals hate President Bush so much that they don't want him to have a legacy of a successful democracy in Iraq and peace in the Middle East. So they will do anything to sabotage his efforts, even at the expense of our own national security. They would rather cut and run and accept defeat -- a defeat that al Qaeda will claim as a military victory which will embolden them even more in their jihad against the United States and Western Civilization.

As for President Bush's domestic record, he inherited a recession. His 2001 tax cuts were just beginning to take effect and we were heading out of the recession when we were attacked on 9/11. That was a devastating blow to our economy. Thanks to President Bush's 2003 tax cuts, it only took two years to turn around the economy. We then had a record 52 months of job growth. A streak that ended in December 2007, due to the down turn in the housing market and the subprime mortgage crisis. This is a bump-in-the-road of what had been a very strong and healthy economy.

Deny it all you want! But those are the facts!

President Bill is right the 1990's were great! We found ourselves after the national economic diep - point of the late 1980's. Bill's experience made it all work. Thank God for him.

Experience does matter, look what our current President has done for us over these last seven plus years. Did his lack of experience during his first year - do us any good?

I do not believe that organizing a good campaign equals the right kind of experience needed by our nation at this moment in time.

I applaud all those who help our inner-city youth. But really - is that what the nation ( not just the inner-cities) needs at this time.

We are a can do nation and proud nation - not a lets hope (for the best) group of people.

Mr. Obama seems like he is all talk, no action. Hillary Clinton may not be as charismatic as Mr. Obama, but she has an excellent track record. Why should someone without a proven track record be permitted to be President of the United States? We are talking about being the leader of the free world - not being mayor of a small town. I dont want any more beginners on the job. George Bush has been a disaster and the United States cannot afford another failed presidency. As for the attacks on Hillary Clinton - why? - The dedicated Hillary haters hate without reason.