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Hillary Responds to "Pimp"-gate

February 09, 2008 1:44 PM

In Orono, Maine, this morning, following a rally at the University of Maine, Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., made her first public remarks about MSNBC's David Shuster having referred to her campaign having "pimped out Chelsea," Clinton's daughter.

"I am a mom first and a candidate second," Clinton told reporters, per ABC News' Eloise Harper. "I found the remarks incredibly offensive. I can take whatever comes my way, that’s part of what I signed up for as a candidate as an office holder, but I think that there’s been a troubling pattern of comments and behavior that has to be held accountable. So I have sent a letter to the head of NBC expressing the deep offense that I took and pointing out what has been a troubling pattern of demeaning treatment, and I would expect appropriate action to be taken."

Shuster has been temporarily suspended for his comments, and he has apologized. He has said he was trying to make a larger point about how Chelsea, 27, has been enlisted to work for the campaign though she refuses to talk on the record to the media.

But Clinton suggests a "pattern" by MSNBC hosts, because she has also been offended by comments made by MSNBC's Chris Matthews, who -- among other comments -- has implied Clinton only has her senate job because of her husband's infidelity with Monica Lewinsky. Under pressure, Matthews apologized on air for that comment.

The campaign has threatened to boycott pending debates on NBC and Clinton would not say today if she would participate in the NBC sponsored debates.

"We have accepted a lot of debates from a lot of different sponsors and were going to wait and see how this plays out," Clinton said.

-- Jake Tapper and Eloise Harper

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Posted by: Martha Ann, IN | Mar 14, 2008 9:06:44 PM

I support Obama

Posted by: Martha Ann, IN | Feb 26, 2008 10:37:47 PM

Welcome back David Shuster. You have my attention.

Posted by: Martha Ann, IN | Feb 26, 2008 5:29:23 PM

I am an American. I am a proud Black woman. I am a believer in equlity. I am an educated person. I am tired of the wars that have been broadcasted in the media all my adult life. I am ready for a change in the political party that as dominated my family attention for the last 35 years. I think it is time for change. Keep the focus. America a country of social equality is much closer. I think Obama. We are in a struggle for a better America that I can love much more.

Posted by: Martha Ann, IN | Feb 20, 2008 7:36:37 PM

It is hot in the kitchen. I am a poor very education Black woman and am glad to be an American. Born and raised in this country. Has always been dominated by White men and White women and I still love them for real. But that is and has been my frustration in living in this free country. Look like it just might be a better day and Whites and Black people can really sit at the same table.

Posted by: Martha Ann, IN | Feb 20, 2008 7:00:25 PM

Hillary is without hope and that is what we are hoping for. Hope that our servicemen and women will come home soon. Hope that Illegal immigration problems will be corrected. Hope that all Americans’ despite race or gender can server as commander and chief of this country. Hope for better schools. Hope to believe in the justice system of the U.S.A. Hope that tricks and superdelegates do not divide and concur the Democratic Party and thereby the United States. Hope that those we selected and elected to represent us will do the right thing and listen to us. Hope that are votes count for thing.

Posted by: Martha Ann, IN | Feb 14, 2008 10:56:42 AM

Charlotte, the word is "ludicROUS."

Posted by: Gravyboy | Feb 13, 2008 10:46:59 PM

The use of the word "pimping" only underscores how coarse and crude our society has become. We are suffering a severe deficit of respect toward our fellow citizens, and this only proves it.

Posted by: LG | Feb 12, 2008 12:05:40 PM

This looks to be strong arm tactics by the Clintons and very similar to Bush's crap when he says agree with me and my policies or you are anti-American. Someone stating an opinion such as Matthews on how he belives she got her seat is just that, an opinion. But for Clinton to threaten a boycott in response is ludicris and quite telling.

Posted by: charlotte mayfield | Feb 12, 2008 11:11:59 AM

Get real Hillary. Where was the outcry from you when your husband pimped out an 20 year old intern.

Posted by: Mitch | Feb 12, 2008 8:58:31 AM

Don’t ever under estimate the tenacity of the Clinton’s in pursuit for the White house. Let's watch and see, it will get much more interesting. I have been reading so much.

Posted by: Martha Ann, Indianapolis, IN | Feb 12, 2008 12:45:26 AM

Chelsea Clinton pimped out for a possibility of visiting or perhaps even a chance to be a bride at a White House wedding.

Posted by: Martha Ann, Indianapolis, IN | Feb 11, 2008 8:36:59 PM

Superdelagates, she can be pimped she is not a child.

That's on Google

Chelsea Clinton has a magnetic personality, are unconventional, and a bit unpredictable. Chelsea loves to flirt and is likely to have sudden romantic relationships that do not always last. Chelsea Clinton likes variety and always is seeking new experiences with people.

Her love feelings and desires are easily aroused but she may find it difficult to sustain her romantic interest in relationships after the initial, exciting "chase and conquest". Chelsea Clinton enjoys a dynamic partner with a strong independent streak, and she does not like things to become too peaceful or predictable in the love arena. Chelsea wants to see sparks fly once in awhile, even if it means instigating a fight.

Posted by: Martha Ann, Indianapolis, IN | Feb 11, 2008 8:08:09 PM

Please, she is 27 years old, if she can't take the heat stay out of the kitchen...

Posted by: DEonna Abruzzi | Feb 11, 2008 8:07:38 PM

I don't trust Clinton. She wants to be president so bad, that she has had a memory loss about her husband's extra-marital affairs. Who can forget her bold hostile statement that her husband did not cheat. Or his for a matter of fact as he so eloquently pointed his shaking finger in the faces of all Americana denouncing haveing any sexual contact with Monica Lewinsky. Then after months and months of ongoing investigation and meetings, OH MY! He was convicted, admitted his infidelity and now wants to go on down the road as if nothing happened. What would another 8 years of these 2 people demonstrate to our children in America or anywhere else about morales. Is it only O.K. if the president committs the inappropriate behavior or is it also okay if the first lady/wannabe president stands by her man, which to me states she feels his behavior is appropriate. I'm sure that if the question were posed they would say this is a private matter between them and part of their personal/private relationship. No Way, he made it public when he had Monica in America's House.

Posted by: Cindy | Feb 11, 2008 7:20:21 PM

Just stop with accusations of bias. ABC, NBC are not biased toward Obama or anyone else. These bias accusation are tired and small-minded.

Posted by: Dem in Chicago | Feb 11, 2008 5:22:17 PM

Shame on you NBC, MSNBC for so shamelessly in the OBama camp.

Your coverage of the primary is lopsided and unbalanced.

Barack OBama's rallies are looking like rock concert groupies.

Senator Hillary Clinton has always worked hard for the United States of America. I endorsed her and believed she is exactly what we need in this time of crisis.

Posted by: SK Walsh | Feb 11, 2008 4:32:36 PM

excuse me, please.

can't we just admit that America has had
a soft spot for Chelsea Clinton since
her family moved into the White House on
January 20, 1993.

and that despite claims to be shelter-
ing their daughter from the spotlight
so she could grow up like a normal kid,
whenever they needed to shave a few
points off the negative polling -
Chelsea was pulled out of school for the
day to appear in a staged tag-along for
network nightly news.

But Chelsea's a trooper, and if Daddy is
facing impeachment - then America's
favorite good daughter is happy to
fly across the country from Palo Alto
and back for a few seconds of footage
of a normal american first family
pulling together under adversity.

Doesn't anyone remember how Mrs. Clinton
and Linda Bloodworth saved the
presidency by swapping out the crippling imagery of salacious
infidelity and replaced it by a candid
private moment we saw mommy and daddy
and Chelsea in their frumpy bathing
suits so all alone on the beach in the
Caribean.

Footage courtesy of a lucky paparazzi
on a boat far away using a telephoto
lens. yeah right.

of course, you can't
expect the secret service to be able
to always prevent someone from getting
a straight shot at the president when he is in private.

and you can't expect the average
american to understand how we are being
manipulated and exploited daily by
staged and scripted events which are
PIMPED OUT as spontaneous and authentic.

Posted by: p.f. stone | Feb 11, 2008 2:16:56 PM

I am so sick & tired of everytime you say something negative about Obama it racism. Why is it you can't be negative about a black person but you can about a women. I AM SICK OF IT, if it's not Hillary, then I'm voting Mc Cain, A real HERO.

Posted by: Barbara | Feb 11, 2008 11:59:47 AM


Martha Ann Roots-Woods

Whosoever think that White men are not voting for Senator Clinton because they just don't want to see a woman in office must not have an knowledge of the long criminal history of the Clinton's. White men are voting as wise men. They are voting their hearts. They love the Democratic Party. And there are some other bonuses to be gained such as a closer working relationship with people of color.

Posted by: Martha Ann | Feb 11, 2008 11:48:40 AM

Hillary is not being slammed because she is a woman. She is being slammed because of who she is and what she does. Quite frankly I"m sick to death of the Clinton's and all the garbage they bring with them. Their sense of entitlement aggravates me and shows how shallow they are. "Can't stand the heat", well, you know the rest!

Posted by: Margie Le Clair | Feb 11, 2008 11:43:56 AM

Whosoever think that White men are not voting for Senator Clinton because they just doesn't want to see a women in office must not have any knowledge of the long criminal history of the Clinton's. White men are voting as wise men. They are voting their hearts. They love the Democratic Party. And there are some other bonuses to be gained, a closer working relationship with people of color.

Posted by: Martha Ann | Feb 11, 2008 10:44:00 AM

Martha Ann Roots-Woods

Whosoever think that White men are not voting for Senator Clinton because they just doesn't want to see a woman in office must not have an knowledge of the long criminal history the Clinton's. White men are voting as wise men. They are voting their hearts. They love the Democratic Party. And there are some other bonuses to be gained, a closer working relationship with people of color.

Posted by: Martha Ann | Feb 11, 2008 10:39:43 AM

I guess when Michelle Obama campaigns we will call upon Don Imus to make the appropriate comments. Then posters who feel it is okay to slime the Clintons One standard for all.

Didn't hear the Romney boys were pimping for their father?

Double Standard is well. I really want Obama to win. Then his followers will react to the Republican slime machine with a : oh well that's okay. We did it to the Clintons. McCain/Rove are just doing the same.

Posted by: Alan | Feb 11, 2008 10:33:47 AM

Again it is worth noting, that the stinky pile the IMESS laid on that network will affect them and the nbc parents.

Posted by: daddyblue | Feb 11, 2008 10:11:50 AM

Tulcat again you miss represent the facts.

Posted by: Jim Rod | Feb 11, 2008 10:10:08 AM

Let's not put Hillary in office

Hillary Clinton's Culture of Corruption: The Scandal Queen
The Fraudulent Senator: Part 1 of a 7 Part Series
Joan Swirsky, Featured Writer
March 13, 2006

Once upon a time the woman who former Democrat House Ways and Means Committee Chairman and convicted felon Dan Rostenkowski was credited with calling "the smartest woman in the world'' decided that departing the pinnacle of world power at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue – where she was co-president of the U.S. for eight years – was unacceptable.

In no time, she decided that the fastest route to regaining that power was to spend as few years as possible as the junior senator from New York and then move onward and upward to reclaim what she believes is her rightful place in history as the first female president of the United States of America.

Hillary Rodham Clinton promptly relocated to the Empire State and moved into an upscale house financed by the former chairman of the



Posted by: Martha Ann | Feb 11, 2008 9:53:23 AM

Diane M, and all you can say is "Monica Lewinsky"?...

Posted by: tulcak | Feb 11, 2008 9:42:29 AM

forgot "katrina", "ARMPAC", "diebold", "secret energy meeting", "lies about Iran", "world-wide ridicule and hatred of the US", "the devaluation of the dollar", "failed and sleazy business deals", "AWOL from Vietnam", "the victory rally on an aircraft carrier", "no child left behind", "Iraq's nuclear program", "downing street memo", "idiocy"...

Posted by: tulcak | Feb 11, 2008 9:40:57 AM

Diane M, can you say "lying us into war", "haliburton", "WMDs", "wire-tapping", "patriot act", "torture", "water boarding", outing a CIA operative", "destroying tapes of torture", "destroying emails at the JD", "not signing kyoto", "recession", "increase in terrorism", "begging for oil from the sauid family", "moron"... President Clinton got a bj in the white house and lied about it - seems pretty tame compared to the treasonous and impeachable offenses mentioned above about bush...

Posted by: tulcak | Feb 11, 2008 9:33:35 AM

Martha Ann Roots-Woods,IN

Hillary's campaign manager didn't "step down". Oh my beg, she stepped aside. And look ah there the old party players are coming forward.

Posted by: Martha Ann | Feb 11, 2008 9:21:52 AM

I'm amazed - the world is turned topsy-turvy, when President Clinton uses the characterization of "fairytale" when speaking of a stance of Obama's he is attacked from all sides and requested to go sit in the corner and never come out again. When a journalist uses the term "pimping out" in a characterization of President Clinton's daughter, the general consensus seems to be "whatever" what's the big deal? If this type of thing had occurred in a public school, where a teacher characterized one of the students with "pimping out", or referred to something the student did or thought as a "fairytale" which do you think would be more offensive?

Posted by: american2 | Feb 11, 2008 9:02:35 AM

Clinton & McCain do alot of traveling around together; This is what a Top News Paper lady said on the Matthews Show, Sunday Morn.So if this is the case then Hillary needs to STOP, saying she is the best canidate to run against who? her travel buddie!

Posted by: Demo Rules | Feb 11, 2008 8:47:21 AM

Can you say Monica Lewinski? Wake up people, they are the same Clintons, different day. Don't let them make fools of the USA again.

Posted by: Diane M | Feb 11, 2008 8:43:48 AM

Hillary's campaign manager didn't "step down". My guess was she got canned. Hillary's got to blame someone for what's not going right in her campaign. Kind of like changing pitchers in the bottom of the 7th with bases loaded and a 2-run lead. It probably won't make any difference.

Posted by: Sandra Johanson | Feb 11, 2008 8:29:13 AM

Martha Ann Roots-Woods, IN

MSNBC's David Shuster should be reporting today. I appreciate reasonable and a sense of balanced reporting that is not too tailored. Bring it on! We are all adults, including Chelsea Clinton. Bring David Shuster back so he can give us the real scoop on the zigzag politics Hillary is using and rushing to Senator John Edward’s home. Hillary just can’t come straight to the people of America to save her life. She is working under-the-table as much as she possible can. It is shameful how the first woman that has a possible chance to be president of the United States is behaving; shame on Senator Hillary Clinton. Why doesn’t she just find a way to get to the people and let the people decide?

Americans has been focusing on Senator Barack Obama in record numbers and that is because we believe that he is our hope for a change and the turning of a great page in the United States of America. History is being made and we turn our focus on another very important person to make a very important decision to do the right thing for all Americans. Senator Edward my respect to you; I have thought about the fact that now that you are no longer in the race for president and the good side of it being that you are now able to get some much needed rest. God bless you and your family.

Posted by: Martha Ann | Feb 11, 2008 8:28:39 AM

for those of you who think that Hillary is overreacting or being hypocritical, what if reporters referred to bush's daughters as "pimping" for votes? would it be "ok" then? YOU are the ones who are hypcrites. if 9/11 had happened on President Clinton's watch, you would have blamed him. anytime 9/11 comes up, you republicans don't blame bush for his lack of effort or ignoring important intelligence, you just blame President Clinton and you blame a reporter's lack of decency on Hillary.

Posted by: tulcak | Feb 11, 2008 6:57:23 AM

America has become ‘oversensitive. Words that ordinarily mean simple things are taken out of contest. I didn't think someone the caliber of Hillary Clinton would find offensive the word 'pimp out'. Pimp is a MAN who gets customers for prostitutes. Hillary's campaign is not operating prostitution and therefore cannot use her daughter to get customers. It is just a matter of expression. David Shuster, a fine reporter for MSNBC, did not mean any harm, so stop being too sensitive over nothing. I am a mother too.

Posted by: Kizeem | Feb 11, 2008 2:20:13 AM

I don't see anything wrong with the comment.

The campaign should have and could have used the comment to there advantage. They could have flipped. Yes I'm out there working hard trying to get my mother the nomination. They could have used Jay-z song Big Pimping spending cheese in the back ground. She could have pulled a lot of young voters with that one. But neither can chelsea or hillary connect with the young people.

Posted by: IDK924 | Feb 11, 2008 1:23:46 AM

Hillary's own Campaign Manager stepped down today, maybe her supporters will wake up and see her own staff is abandoning ship!Im sure her Campaign manager has enough info on her to send Obama straight to the White House!

Posted by: Listen Up | Feb 10, 2008 10:06:22 PM

If Clinton is a candidate of integrity, then I won't expect to see her at the debate since she is so offended by MSNBC's coverage of the election. If she does show up, I will be interested in hearing her reasons for forgetting that she is a mother first.
It should be an interesting two months coming up. If nothing else, the campaigns are generating a lot of interest.

Posted by: Deb | Feb 10, 2008 9:40:20 PM

Firefighter

Nope, not a nerve. I am just so tired of being told that because I am female I have not choice. And you pretty much said that unless there is compelling reasons not to vote for her, I should, in honor of all the women in my life.

I think this should be a gender-less and race-less campaign, and I don't think that there is any persuasive reason to vote for a candidate on the basis of either. I find posts like yours unfortunate.

Sorry.

Posted by: Deb | Feb 10, 2008 9:35:46 PM

Deb

I believe what I said was that you should only vote for Hillary after you have weighed all the issues and determined who has the best qualifications for the job. At that point you should try to get past the fact she is a woman and vote for her. I hear so many people say you shouldn't vote for someone just because of their gender or their race; the same applies for voting against them. You protest too much, I must have hit a nerve.....

Posted by: Firefighter | Feb 10, 2008 9:05:42 PM

The News Media, is predicting that Obama has won Maine.Obama will bring a fresh start to this Country.Obama is younger/new Politics, and Hillary is the old politics!Voting for Hillary is taking a step backwards, even her own Campaign Manager stepped down!

Posted by: Demo Rules | Feb 10, 2008 9:03:07 PM

Hillary's favorite song (get used to it, we will hear it often under President Clinton):

Unbreakable union of free republics,
Great Russia has joined forever!
Long live the created by the will of peoples
United and mighty Soviet Union
CHORUS:
To Glory, our free Fatherland
The stronghold of the friendship of peoples
Party of Lenin is the power of the people
It leads us to the triumph of Communism
2.

Through storms the sun of freedom shone to us
And the great Lenin lighted us the way
He raised peoples to the right cause
He inspired us for labour and for acts of heroism
CHORUS
3.

In the victory of the immortal ideas of Communism
We see the future of our country,
And to the Red banner of our glorious Fatherland
We shall always be selflessly loyal
CHORUS

Posted by: BlackwaterJon | Feb 10, 2008 8:45:51 PM

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OBAMA will do NO WRONG

OBAMA is like JFK But Better

Posted by: obasmack | Feb 10, 2008 8:18:07 PM

OBAMA is lord, Change that you can believe. Come to OBAMA and He will lead the way to a better America.Black RULES, Black Supremacy, OBAMA Ultima, OBAMA now and forever. OBAMA Powerful, Support OBAMA or DOOM with you all.OBAMA is powerful, BUT first let vote for him and when he is in office, He will rule the world. The OBAMA way, The way that you can believe. OBAMA is supreme being, He is perfect and very very eloquent to you all. All other candidate are fools. OBAMA 08, You are the greatest. ALL the American VOTES belong to OBAMA. Get to know the perfect and supreme OBAMA or you be sorry to vote the other one.HA HA HAOBAMA 08 is GUARANTEE.... FACT SAYS BY THEMSELVES, LOUSIANA, WASHINGSTON and NEBRASKA.OBAMA WILL RULE THE WORLD and there is no stopping him.VOTE for OBAMA and America will be grateful they did it.IT is OBAMA or nothing.The Hell with Rest!!!!Next Maine, ... coming soon Virginia....etc etc THAN the world..Don't Underestimate the power of BLACK Supremacy!!! OBAMA Rules!!!!!! OBAMA 08, You may hate OBAMA but, The result is against YOU haters... YOU who dont vote OBAMA just cant win.HA HA HA ... Come to OBAMA

OBAMA will do NO WRONG

OBAMA is like JFK But Better

Posted by: obasmack | Feb 10, 2008 8:14:14 PM

Prayers for Mr. Shuster, he is now a condemned man.
What a windfall for Hillary!

If MSNBC doesn’t fire Shuster, Hillary plays the MOC (moral outrage card) and gets to sit out a debate with Barack (where she looks old and shreeky).

If MSNBC fires Shuster, Hillary sends a message to voters that she will repress the opposition and sends a message to corporate American not to mess with Hillary. She wins either way!

Of course, it never dawned on Hillary not to use her own daughter .

Posted by: Elise | Feb 10, 2008 7:51:08 PM

As for Hillary's Iraq war vote, that was a no-brainer. Anything to exacerbate the dire economic straights America is in. The Iraq war vote plays well into her plan to strip our jobs and assets. AMERICA will be bankrupt under Clinton. Let the Voter Beware. Jon

Posted by: BlackwaterJon | Feb 10, 2008 7:47:58 PM

I am more worried about the bait and switch the Hillary Campaign is offering you than worrying about sullying young Chelsea's reputation. They are offering you Hillarycare and you will get the rise of a Stalinist State right here in America. Try to look through the smoke and ignore the mirrors. During the first eight years they shipped out our jobs to India by fiber cables and China (shipping in cheap products to stores like WALMART), gutted the military, and there was an infusion of spending from the money that wasn't being spent on the military (there supposed economic miracle, otherwise known as the cold war ending). 9/11 was not an inside job, but we were left vunerable after the Clinton's gutted the defense apparatus in this country. There were lag ramifications for their policies and it took long enough for their policies to achieve full effect that we blamed some of it on the Bush Administration. They saw no need for the military, nor do they see a need now. Remember, communism comes around when the capitalism collapses. It is their stated intention to "slow down the economy" (Bill Clinton 1/31/08). No point arguing with most of you, the wool is over your eyes. You will vote for Hillary because she is a woman and pretends to espouse your values. There was a secret plan to destroy the military industrial complex in the waning days of the Clinton Administration. They signed on with the plutocrats, like Marc Rich, because they had a match made in heavy. Creating a low wage society in America serves the wealthy and gives the communists a strategic window. The end of the plutocrats is the last stage of creating their Stalinist State. Don't be suprised when the time comes for me to say "I told you so." The end of capitalism and possibly democracy is just a chad away in a ballot box near you. Anything but Hillary 08.

Posted by: BlackwaterJon | Feb 10, 2008 7:18:54 PM

All this political madness is making Mike Huckabee look more and more normal, yet he's not going to win.

Posted by: facing reality | Feb 10, 2008 6:18:10 PM

I think all of these TV talking heads are being pimped out by their "news" organizations. They'll say anyhting for ratings. I heard Sam Donaldson talking about some woman posing nude on the cover of some publication. This was on the Roundtable discussion. Which woman was he talking about? Don't these men know how to do business with women without condescending sexist remarks? The US should be ashamed of exhibiting sexist behavior in this campaign given the countries that have long ago been comfortable with woman in leadership role. We are so backwards!

Posted by: Hugo | Feb 10, 2008 6:06:40 PM

This topic is old news now! Come on News Media, tell us more about Hillary's Campaign Manager stepping down? also tell us about Hillary and McCain traveling around together being buddy, buddy?

Posted by: Listen Up | Feb 10, 2008 5:35:32 PM

Martha Ann Roots-Woods

I am pretty much a liberal, broadminded person. I support free-will of speech. Yes some basic respect, but not too much control of what someone says. David Shuster gets paid for freedom of speech so how can Hillary take his livelihood away. Now she is paying for that already. Her campaign manager Pattie Dole has stepped down because of money problems. I heard that it is quite a bit of ciaos in her camp. God doesn't like ugliness and she is in a predicament with that. I really think Hillary is getting ready cry again and all Americans will hear her sob.

Posted by: Martha Ann | Feb 10, 2008 5:22:13 PM

Yea come on Patty Doyle, I bet your holding information that would send Obama straight into Office!

Posted by: Demo Rules | Feb 10, 2008 5:22:08 PM

Attention America;Patty Solis Doyle is stepping down as Clintons Campaign Manager!What I want to know is, what Is the true reason she is stepping down? One dont just jump up in the middle of a Campaign and call it quits!

Posted by: Listen Up | Feb 10, 2008 5:17:56 PM

Firefighter

If you think we should throw careful consideration to the wind and vote for a woman simply because she is a woman, then you are asking us to give up our rights as American to exercise our rights as voters.

I resent the implication that if I fail to vote for Hillary Clinton I am somehow failing my daughters, my mother, my sisters, my aunts....what a load of bull. If the only qualifications a person has to carry into the WH is sex, then something is WRONG with this country, and you should be ashamed of yourself for even suggesting we should disregard our independence to line up behind a woman candidate.

I have no problem voting for a woman candidate. I have no problem voting for a black candidate. I have no problem voting for a black woman candidate. What I do have a problem with it anyone insisting I vote for someone I may not agree has merit.

It is possible, though I doubt you have thought of this, that some of us who would have no problem voting for a woman have a problem voting for this woman.

And about the sexism that is alive and well in this country: the ONLY time Hillary displays her gender is when the news is bad, she is falling behind in polls, or she is running out of money. Then all of a sudden the tears start, the piling on begins, the outrage appears. I personnally find that sort of convenient usage of gender disgusting, because it is dishonest.

And that is why I am leaning toward a different candidate--not because I am against a woman being in the WH, but because I want a woman I can trust and respect there, and I am not sure this one is that woman.

And don't bother to tell me I am failing my female friends and relatives, because the ONLY way I can do that is follow like a lemming and vote for a woman simply because I am one.

Posted by: Deb | Feb 10, 2008 4:59:21 PM

Patricia Mejia

But this discussion about the ethics and integrity of Hillary Clinton making a mountain out of a molehill and not on the relative merits of the two candidates.

It is a peek inside the mentality that rules the Clinton camp.

Absent any other candidate, the question I have been asking myself is whether I can support a candidate who engages consistently in dirty politics, a woman who decries the use of gender politics unless she is using it herself, who manipulates the political coverage by mounting 'events' to get the sympathy vote when things are not going well for her.

Of course it is important to win the election, but it is also important to win with some integrity intact. I don't see that integrity in Hillary Clinton, and this incident with a single word is a perfect example of what I view is wrong with her campaign.

And, by the way, I don't think all of us who question the overreaction of Hillary Clinton in this case are Obama lovers. We are, I believe, simply folks who don't want a continuation of politics as usual, who think it is all right to try to rise above rather than sink below.

Posted by: kitty | Feb 10, 2008 4:52:08 PM

Sexism is alive and well and living in the good old USA. I am so tired of people attacking Hillary for every breath she takes. This is not about the issues, this is about Hillary being a woman. If she cries she is too weak if she doesn't show emotion she is cold hearted. This simply boils down to history repeating itself. When women were fighting for the right to vote the good old boys got together and decided to give the vote to the black man; not really what they wanted but better a man than a woman. There are a lot of men and sadly women for that matter who simply hate women and prefer them powerless. I would challenge people to look at the issues when voting. Look at both candidates and their stance on the issues, their experience and what they would bring to the Presidency. Investigate them both thoroughly before making a decision. If you think Hillary is the most qualified but just can't seem to bring yourself to vote for a women, you have some soul searching to do. If you can't vote for yourself then do it for your daughters so they will know that they really can grow up to be anything they want. Do it for your Mother, wife, girlfriend, sister. And for God's sake show Hillary the same respect you would want for the women you love and care about.

Posted by: Firefighter | Feb 10, 2008 4:49:30 PM

shame on the network....shuster should NOT be invited back. and Chris Matthews don't be an A H.....

Posted by: Penny Howe | Feb 10, 2008 4:47:16 PM

To all of you Obama lovers who claim that he is as pure as the driven snow! If the Republicans have a chance to get their hands on him, all of your foolish, self-righteous psycho-babble is going to go right up in smoke. We know nothing about this man, other than his weak-willed…panny-waisted voting record. He has no genuine, solid plan to change America. Does he think that mere rhetoric will do it? Hillary Clinton would defeat John McCain in a heartbeat. Is Obama stupid enough to think that his vote against empowering the President of the United States to use force if Sadam Hussein continued to stall U.N. inspections really going to hold any water against McCain? Is that all he has to promote himself? He is surely full of it, because McCain will bring facts, evidence, testimony, and much more to prove that Obama was too passive to take a stance against terrorism. War is McCain's specialty. McCain also admitted (and faulted) the Bush administration’s management of the surge for creating a sloppy mess. He will also bring up 911...or have you fanatics forgotten about that, and the real threat of terrorist attacks upon American soil. Obama will look like a school yard punk on those issues. On the other hand, Hillary will be able to mute the issue against McCain, because he too has agreed that the war was mismanaged…No argument there! Since he has agreed, she will then be able to fully argue that we must stop the madness, and Bush’s failed policy. She will also have way more ammunition to challenge him on issues that McCain has admitted he knows nothing about, such as health care, the economy, energy, recession, etc. Frankly, both McCain and Obama are stupid on these issues. Does Obama think that his one stupid argument is enough to defeat a decorated war hero? Especially after we find out all the skeletons and junk that the Republicans will expose about him? He will be ripped to shreds and end up being sorry that he even opened up that “I voted against the war” can of worms. McCain will turn the tables on him so quick…what a joke.

Posted by: Patricia Mejia | Feb 10, 2008 4:37:53 PM

azdybat

Let me put this in perspective for you.

Bill Clinton launched an attack against Barack Obama for being black. He got coverage in national media. He spent weeks disparaging Obama for no other reason than his race, but always denying it when confronted with his statements. It was a hatchet job, and many in the Democratic party contact both Clintons to ask he back off. He refused, until after the a significant loss that let the campaign know they had overstep the lines of decency.

Compare a national campaign carried in all media (television, newspapers, internet, etc.) with a single word spoken as a question on a relatively low-rated cable news network.

You don't see the difference? Not even a little?

Yeah, the Clinton campaign is instituting a double standard, and the Clinton supporters who use the line of logic you are attempting to use simply re-enforce the idea that this is a campaign that stops at nothing.

Posted by: kitty | Feb 10, 2008 4:07:55 PM

It is unbelievable that Obama supporters are acusing Hillary of blowing this out of proportion when we spent 2-3 weeks all over the so-called racial comments of President Clinton and fired Imus over his "words". The tone of many of these coments are not suptly sexist. They are overtly sexist! Refering to her response as a "tantrum". If this is not sexism, I don't know what is.

Posted by: azdybat | Feb 10, 2008 3:54:07 PM

Facts:
- Bush & co looted trillions from USA.
- Staged them in euro accounts.
- Ready to use any tool and power to
retain their presidency.
Plan:
- Manipulate the youth into
voting for Obama.(they are not
the victims of economic losses and
they are just tired of the situation
and have no clue on how Obama is
going to bring the change where
even Bush can't put any
suggestions into Mr Dick
Cheney's ears).
Obama.
- Then during actual presidential
elections, provoke racism across
America and pull Obama down.
Result:
- McCaine as President.
- Bush & co money intact
- Bush & co policies intact.
- All the Americans (both Dems and
Republicans) in hopeless situation
(working 20 hours a day) keep waiting
for Jesus to save them.
waiting for the Jesus.

Posted by: hum-it-911 | Feb 10, 2008 3:45:06 PM

Irma,

I face myself every morning when I look in the mirror: I am a woman, and as a woman I understand how the society indulges subtley in sexism. Every time I turn on the TV and watch yet another of those fantasy shows in which every woman is beautiful and sexy and tumbles into any guy, I shake my head and wonder how we got here.

But do you protest these shows? Do you watch Desperate Housewives, for example? Do you contact your local network to complain? Do you write to the record companies to point out how they devalue women?

This question had nothing at all to do with sexuality of Chelsea Clinton and everything to do with the approach her mother uses in campaigning. It was a poor choice of words--you think it was sexist and maybe it was, but in today's parlance it is common place and used everywhere by kids and grown-ups.

The point most of us have been trying to make is that Hillary is not demonstrating a gender-neutral race, and in this instance is not even setting a good role-model for women. She allowed this thing to get completely out of control, and many of us believe she did so in order to gain sympathy for her flagging campaign. Do you really think this speaks well of strong, independent women to react this way? In fact, by her response she kept the 'degradation' of her daughter in front of the people a lot longer than she needed to, because it benefits her campaign. Sadly, people like you who care a lot about important issues are missing the big picture by focusing on what Hillary is directing you to look at.

Posted by: Kitty | Feb 10, 2008 3:29:45 PM

What is upsetting about these comments is this passive acceptance for the degradation of women. Just as "Chuck and Jive" are rightfully offensive as say the "N" word, so too are words used against women. I have a five year old daughter. No way do I want her to grow up with these ancient, sexist attitudes that prevail in our society. This entire acceptance in treating women the way the media does needs to end. Including the fact that T.V. has found it acceptable to use the "B" word, "W" word, etc. I have been telling my students for several years now that this type careless degradation of women cannot be acceptable, it is not humor, it is deliberate against our sex. I think that rather than attack those defending women, attack those who degrade them. Remember when rapists would be defended by people saying "She must have done something to deserve it." Or "Well it's because of the way she was dressed." Or "Well, she should not have been walking around at night." I remember those days, I remember because it was not too long ago. It is the same mentality that allows societies to brutalize women because they are not "conforming" to what the abusers say they should. Anyone using this as an opportunity to make a point against Clinton is simply being callous and permissive to the mistreatment in words or actions against women. Attack Clinton on issues, but to go after her daughter by degrading her as female...just exactly what issue are you debating here? Face yourselves people......

Posted by: irma | Feb 10, 2008 3:15:12 PM

druggstohr

How on earth do you get from remarking about overreacting to a single word and using it as political capital to the destruction of the civilized world?

Do you really think that if Hillary Clinton does not win that our nation suddendly turns into a promiscuous, degraded country?

Why on earth do you think protesting in FAVOR of freedom expression equates to shooting up a school? Because we don't agree with you?

Both of my daughters are well-adjusted, productive members of society. One is in the Army Reserves and will be heading to Iraq in April. The other is holding down three jobs to afford to go to college. If I am such a reprobate as a mother because I don't get excised about a single word, how come my kids turned out so well balanced?

It is this sort of overheated rhetoric that make me think that Hillary is not the sort of candidate that heal the breach, not when she brings this sort of extremism out of the woodwork.

Posted by: Deb | Feb 10, 2008 2:58:26 PM

To all my fellow Moms out there with Sons and Daughters in the Military.Do not let Hillary mislead you into voting for her becuase you are women to.Join me and,"Take A stand"! My Son has lost so many of his friends in Iraq. I belive Hillary will not, bring our kids home from Iraq, because she was for The Iraq War till she decided to run for Office! Hillary doesnt have a child in the Iraq War or she would have been agaisnt it from the begining!Please, Please join me and Vote No for Hillary, lets Vote to bring our Sons and Daughters home from Iraq, Vote yes to Obama!

Posted by: Mom First | Feb 10, 2008 2:14:38 PM

what the truth is?? did chelsea called for supper-delegates?? Hillary should teach her own daughter to behavior herself as a mother and control Bill clinton to be a positive spouse first !!!

Posted by: brightofeyes | Feb 10, 2008 1:36:05 PM

everyone says Obama's black support is the reason he won Louisiana. To those people, unless a wave of blacks has swept over Nebraska since the last time I was there how do you explain that victory and those like it?

Posted by: jgirl | Feb 10, 2008 1:33:50 PM

JoeySays

Get a grip, man! You are going to have a stroke if you don't take a few deep breaths and relax.

There is not vast left wing conspiracy at work here--in spite of your attempt to make anyone who doesn't worship at the alter of Hillary Clinton disgusting.

Actually, I am undecided, though the over-the-top rhetoric of the folks supporting Clinton in this section has been so off-putting that I think I am heading in the other direction.

Women who would physically assualt someone over a word, men who have fits and foam at the mouth, folks who come out of the woodwork to attack the candidate who isn't even involved with this discussion....talk about disgusting.

Get over the problem with the word pimp. Even if it meant all the stuff some of you people are trying to overload it with IT IS A WORD, PEOPLE!

If you have a problem with MSNBC, WRITE TO THEM! If you don't, and you think they are biased and unfair to Hillary Clinton and you remain silent, then you are part of the problem and not part of the solution. The issue involves you as much as it does Clinton.

And, yeah, I think this entire thing shows Hillary in a very pool light. As a president, she has to retain a cool head and apply judgment in resolving a problem. If she spends all her time and emotional energy about this sort of slight, she can't be a very effective leader.

A let's talk gender, the thing the Clintons refuse to admit to using but which is always on display. This tempest is all about the Clintons playing the gender card. She handle this thing poorly and it does reflect on her ability to be president. Chelsea should have said something, not Hillary. And blackmailing the media when they say something she doesn't like is beneath a candidate running for this office.

And as far as your highly honed sense of offense, it doesn't stop you from impugning the children of others, does it? So it really does come down to the fact that you can't stand the idea that your candidate has been uncovered / discovered to be a manipulative politician who isn't above using her child to gain media spotlight.

And that, sir, is indeed disgusting.

Posted by: tika | Feb 10, 2008 1:30:31 PM

Hillary will start to bring your brave sons and daughters home from Iraq within 60 days. She is as precise about this as possible. Obama has not received 2 times as many votes as Hillary has. The statement that he has is a bold lie. Are lies all you can do Obama supporters?
Go Hillary!