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If Clinton Loses Big in Wisconsin Tonight

February 19, 2008 10:03 PM

And that's an "if" as of now….

But if she does…

You do have to wonder…

9 in a row…(and likely 10 by Wednesday morning)

Largely by HUGE margins....

I mean, embarrassing margins, really...

All over the country...from Washington State to Maine to Wisconsin to Louisiana...

You can't explain this away as small states…or caucus states…or black states…or whatever the excuse du jour may be.

I mean, they can.

And they will.

But at some point it really might start to seem like...well...

Well, like this is a rejection by Democratic voters.

A rejection. Of Clinton and her politics.

And a full-fledged embrace of Obama.

Over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

- jpt

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brian dear boy, Your fear of intelligent, courageous women in positions of influence is obvious.Be comforted in the knowledge that Golda Meir,Margaret Thatcher,Indira Ghandi guided their respective countries through times of war and peace.Sen.Clinton is the Best Candidate at this juncture.Sen.Obama would need more than a collective leap of faith to govern-he would need an infrastructure.

Posted by: J.P in Texas | Feb 22, 2008 5:29:57 AM

hilary is just making herself look ridiculous! she is digging herself into a hole and she should get out while some poeple still have a little bit of respect for her.

As for me, ive made my decision. Obama '08

Posted by: YES WE CAN!!!! | Feb 21, 2008 10:41:46 PM

This election has been the most interesting to me of any I can remember.

I think for the first time in a long time there is the possibility of some real change for our country. Change for the better.

In the last year I have gone from being an independent to a Democrat, largely because of the rampant abuses. lies and deceitful practices I see within the Republican party.

Now the question is which Democrat candidate is best qualified to lead our country and help us take the first step back up the pedestal we used to stand high upon.

Obama has a lot going for him. He is well liked within my age group and across all races. He has charisma and is charming.

But what qualifications does he have to lead our country. And exactly where does he stand on some of our most important issues? These are the questions I have struggled with in concern with Obama. I just can't seem to get a grip on exactly what it is that he is for or against. To me his popularity arises more from his pop-culture status than to what he actually stands for, whatever that may be.

Then there's Hillary. She has many things going for here right from the go. First off, she has firsthand experience of what it's like to actually be in the White House. She knows the terrain, knows what to expect.

She helped in balancing our country's budget, which was the first time it had been balanced in decades. No easy task by any stretch of the imagination. To me this is an important selling factor, especially when you look at our country's current downward spiraling economy.

Then there's the urgent, pressing issues our country faces. For me the two biggest are the war in Iraq, and the exorbitantly large number of uninsured and under-insured American citizens.

Why are we so far behind other progressive countries when it comes to health care for our own people?
Hillary has made it clear, very clear, where she stands on both of these issues.

With Hillary I know our troops will be coming home. Our involvement in this devastating and wrongfully-sold war will end. And, at long last, health care will be made available to all, not just the rich and the poor, but those 30+ MILLION Americans that fall somewhere in between and have little or no health insurance.

These are the reasons why my vote in the primary was for Hillary, and I urge those yet to vote to consider these things as well.

Posted by: Ron | Feb 21, 2008 11:05:31 AM

Get off of Michelle Obama's back! I guess some of you were really proud of America when Bush LIED about nuclear weapons and IRAQ, and started this war that has KILLED and MAMED so many Americans, and your were so proud of America when it LIED about VIETMAN, and you're so proud of America when it instituted and supported the enslavement of HUMAN BEINGS...give the woman a break! It's okay to be patriotic, but don't turn a blind eye to the injustices that America has been perpetuating. And futhermore, Hilary Clinton is nothing but a bully! She refuses to be photographed in Vogue because she said dresses are too feminine, she then CRIES to get votes, and she and Bill PRETEND to be champions of the black vote when Hilary was AGAINST the Civil Rights Act...so you Latinos need to beware, too! Don't blindly follow Hilary...she just wants your votes and she'll drop you like a hot potato!

Posted by: D | Feb 21, 2008 6:33:09 AM

not trying to be a sexist but i don't think Hillary clinton is strong enough to lead our country. She almost broke into tears when she lost a primary to Barrack i mean what is she going to do in the case that our country is attacked by a terrorist threat. I also think Her statements saying that if you don't go along with my health care plan i garnish your wages is so un-American its ridiculous. I also feel shes just trying to take cheap shots at barrack obama well he doesn't reduce himself to her level and feel the need to attack the other candidate because she wrote him off and now he's taking it to her. The only way she feels she can win is running anti Obama ads and it just makes her look like a dumb beezey.

Posted by: ian | Feb 20, 2008 11:47:03 PM

I am NOW as of last night DECIDED for Hilary Clinton. As an AMERICAN I want to elect a President and spouse that have been PROUD TO BE AMERICAN EVERY DAY OF THEIR LIVES!!! EVERY DAY of their lives!!!! Also, Obama won't debate Hilary except when he absolutely HAS to - what is he scared of if he truly has better ideas? If he did, my belief is he would meet her head on every time it's requested. He won't. I want someone that runs a platform of ISSUES not "hope" and "change" and happy little buzz words. There's no SUBSTANCE to his speeches. He is just a cheerleader. I am so upset because last night I wanted to hear the other party speaking and Obama was RUDE to come out and begin his speech during her speech. It was calculated and rude. That's when I decided to back Hilary. I don't want a President that plays those kind of dirty politics and is RUDE! Let her be heard. What is he afraid of? He should have let her be heard. These are the reasons I have gone from undecided to pro Hilary.

The DEMOCRAT party is totally blowing it. Republicans aren't voting for Obama because they think he's so wonderful. OPEN YOUR EYES PEOPLE!!! They are voting for Obama because Republicans think he'll be easier to beat than Hilary in November.

Democrats that are voting for Obama are electing John McCain. It's an absolute nightmare to watch. Michelle Obama should go live in a different country!

Posted by: Angie | Feb 20, 2008 8:22:19 PM

As I predicted no believer has come forward in suport of her vast leadership experience in getting legislation passed. All they can do is jabb,remain bitter, and piously hold their ignorance out in front of them. Because No one wants to realize the truth about her..that is non of her ever shrinking base... baseheads is a better description

Posted by: brian | Feb 20, 2008 7:21:11 PM

Well, correct me if I am wrong...

If I understand correctly, Venezuela is a country in South America. Actually, it is a fairly good sized country.

Benazir Bhutto was a former Prime Minister of Pakistan...recently assasinated.

But, if it is, in fact, Benazir Bhutto you are referring to, I guess comparing Hillary Clinton with another person of Muslim background is appropriate.

But, just as Dan Quayle was not John Kennedy, Barak Obama is not Benazir Bhutto...

Not even close...

Posted by: Ken | Feb 20, 2008 3:24:00 PM

WI and OH are very much alike, I lived in both states.

Both have a rust belt metropolitan city with high poverty and ringed wealthy suburbs (Milwaukee & Cleveland) Both have a progressive college town and capitol (Madison and Columbus). Both have growing metropolitan areas on a river (Eau Claire and Cincinnati - I know that ones a stretch but...) and aging cities with manufacturing pasts (Dayton and Green Bay and Youngstown and Kenosha) Both WI and OH have rural areas who generally are conservative and poor.

I can certainly see Obama making inroads to Clinton's territory there. Once a decent ground operation takes off there, HRC will have her work cut out for her. The big advantage to either candidate is the population difference. OH is much smaller than WI. Plus OH is tad lockstep when it comes to party politics, whereas WI traditional has split-ticket voters. Progressive and relatively clean politics is a hallmark of WI but OH can be rather down and dirty.

Posted by: jpf | Feb 20, 2008 2:57:59 PM

a woman prime minister who was in leadership for years. Assassinated recently.

Posted by: nancy | Feb 20, 2008 2:54:03 PM

Who is "Venezuela Bhutto?"

Or is it not a who?

Maybe it's country that declared its independence from Brazil...

Posted by: Ken | Feb 20, 2008 2:37:25 PM

Strange how ending up with about 51% of the primary and caucus votes in one party can be considered a "full fledged embrace."

I guess the same person would see about 49% as a rejection.

And try his luck as a poet.

Posted by: Ken | Feb 20, 2008 2:35:01 PM

Hillary's words are like vermon out of a poisonous snake. She is so mean and heartless and have no shame in lying.

This shows how she will lie to American poeple with no remorse. She is a deadwood and as a mother and a woman i wish i could see a motherly side of her.

All i see is a wicked witch like cinderella's mother who would do anything to make sure a deserving person is demonized.

Come on hillary, we are not stupid. You are insulting us when you insult thesincerety in Obama.

Just because you want to be tough does't mean you should loose the appeal of a woman.
I wish Venezuela Bhutto would have taught you to be an appealing woman leader.

Posted by: nancy ngige | Feb 20, 2008 2:34:48 PM

Well, Fred,

Obama DID vote to continue funding the war after we got there.

Hillary admitted on national television (several times) that her vote to give Bush authorization was a mistake.

Unlike Obama and several other candidates, Hillary is human and makes mistakes.

Funny, I have never heard Obama admit that any of his votes were mistakes.

But, then, how can your vote be a mistake when it is "present"?

Posted by: Ken | Feb 20, 2008 2:25:52 PM

I am disgusted with Obama' blow-wind bs and his fun's crap. I am a long time democrat who has seen the victories and the blows of the Dems but stuck to the party. Will no long do so if Obama wins the nomination. If Hillary Clinton is not the Dem nominee for president, I will vote for McCain. I am not for empty rhetoric. And I am not nostalgic of the early 20th century "new" political message. The "new ideas" Obama is peddling have been around for nearly a century. They were bad ideas then, they are bad ideas now. Period.

Posted by: disgustedwithobamafans | Feb 20, 2008 2:04:16 PM

I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE PERCENTAGE OF INDEPENDENT VOTES GOING TO OBAMA AS WELL AS THOSE GOING TO MCCAIN. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE PERCENTAGE OF INDEPENDENT FEMALE VOTES OF ALL AGES GOING TO BO VS. DEMOCRATIC FEMALE VOTES OF ALL AGES GOING FOR BO. THEN I WOULD LIKE THOSE VERY SAME PERCENTAGES FOR HILLARY. I WOULD LIKE THE WHOLE BREAKDOWN OF INDEPENDENT VS. DEMOCRAT VOTE. THAT IS WHERE YOU WILL SEE THE MISCHIEVIOUSNESS OF REPUBLICANS WHO WILL RETURN TO THEIR PARTY IN THE FALL. HAPPENS A LOT IN THESE OPEN PRIMARIES, YOU'LL SEE.

Posted by: irma | Feb 20, 2008 1:56:07 PM

Hillary Clinton is fake. Dirty old white man political games she plays. Why not stop attacking your stellar opponent and tell us what some of your solutions are? She is shameful with her name calling and rhetoric. She is a sad display of a woman with too much ego and not enough heart and morality.

Posted by: etw | Feb 20, 2008 1:21:12 PM

hilary clinton
if obama didn't vote to go to war, what did he vote for?

Posted by: fred stewart | Feb 20, 2008 11:55:13 AM

And so it is. HRC has not won since "Super Tuesday," and even then she didn't even win the most pledged delegates. Let's face facts, the wheels came off her campaign a long time ago.

She may try to tear down Obama to close the gaps, but she does so by making herself look increasingly petty and irrelevant.

Posted by: David | Feb 20, 2008 11:45:35 AM

Folks should be running the numbers. My calcs tell me that Hillary will be behind on the pledged delegate counts even if she wins 60% of the delegates in ohio, Texas, Pennsylvania, Indian, West Virginia, Kentucky & Puerto Rico, and Obama ties her in Vermont, Wyoming, Mississippi, Guam, North Carolina, Oregon, Montana, and South Dakata).

The Clinton scenario now includes seating the MI/FL delegates, winning more than half the contests with >60% of the vote, and getting more than 60% of the remaining super delegates. This is kind of like planning on passing a class where you've failed the first 9 quizzes, by planning on getting a 100% on the last quiz, getting extra credit, and then begging the professor for a break. That never worked for me, except in my fantasies.

Posted by: nv | Feb 20, 2008 11:16:52 AM

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