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If Clinton Loses Big in Wisconsin Tonight
February 19, 2008 10:03 PM
And that's an "if" as of now….
But if she does…
You do have to wonder…
9 in a row…(and likely 10 by Wednesday morning)
Largely by HUGE margins....
I mean, embarrassing margins, really...
All over the country...from Washington State to Maine to Wisconsin to Louisiana...
You can't explain this away as small states…or caucus states…or black states…or whatever the excuse du jour may be.
I mean, they can.
And they will.
But at some point it really might start to seem like...well...
Well, like this is a rejection by Democratic voters.
A rejection. Of Clinton and her politics.
And a full-fledged embrace of Obama.
Over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.
- jpt
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brian dear boy, Your fear of intelligent, courageous women in positions of influence is obvious.Be comforted in the knowledge that Golda Meir,Margaret Thatcher,Indira Ghandi guided their respective countries through times of war and peace.Sen.Clinton is the Best Candidate at this juncture.Sen.Obama would need more than a collective leap of faith to govern-he would need an infrastructure.
Posted by: J.P in Texas | Feb 22, 2008 5:29:57 AM
hilary is just making herself look ridiculous! she is digging herself into a hole and she should get out while some poeple still have a little bit of respect for her.
As for me, ive made my decision. Obama '08
Posted by: YES WE CAN!!!! | Feb 21, 2008 10:41:46 PM
This election has been the most interesting to me of any I can remember.
I think for the first time in a long time there is the possibility of some real change for our country. Change for the better.
In the last year I have gone from being an independent to a Democrat, largely because of the rampant abuses. lies and deceitful practices I see within the Republican party.
Now the question is which Democrat candidate is best qualified to lead our country and help us take the first step back up the pedestal we used to stand high upon.
Obama has a lot going for him. He is well liked within my age group and across all races. He has charisma and is charming.
But what qualifications does he have to lead our country. And exactly where does he stand on some of our most important issues? These are the questions I have struggled with in concern with Obama. I just can't seem to get a grip on exactly what it is that he is for or against. To me his popularity arises more from his pop-culture status than to what he actually stands for, whatever that may be.
Then there's Hillary. She has many things going for here right from the go. First off, she has firsthand experience of what it's like to actually be in the White House. She knows the terrain, knows what to expect.
She helped in balancing our country's budget, which was the first time it had been balanced in decades. No easy task by any stretch of the imagination. To me this is an important selling factor, especially when you look at our country's current downward spiraling economy.
Then there's the urgent, pressing issues our country faces. For me the two biggest are the war in Iraq, and the exorbitantly large number of uninsured and under-insured American citizens.
Why are we so far behind other progressive countries when it comes to health care for our own people?
Hillary has made it clear, very clear, where she stands on both of these issues.
With Hillary I know our troops will be coming home. Our involvement in this devastating and wrongfully-sold war will end. And, at long last, health care will be made available to all, not just the rich and the poor, but those 30+ MILLION Americans that fall somewhere in between and have little or no health insurance.
These are the reasons why my vote in the primary was for Hillary, and I urge those yet to vote to consider these things as well.
Posted by: Ron | Feb 21, 2008 11:05:31 AM
Get off of Michelle Obama's back! I guess some of you were really proud of America when Bush LIED about nuclear weapons and IRAQ, and started this war that has KILLED and MAMED so many Americans, and your were so proud of America when it LIED about VIETMAN, and you're so proud of America when it instituted and supported the enslavement of HUMAN BEINGS...give the woman a break! It's okay to be patriotic, but don't turn a blind eye to the injustices that America has been perpetuating. And futhermore, Hilary Clinton is nothing but a bully! She refuses to be photographed in Vogue because she said dresses are too feminine, she then CRIES to get votes, and she and Bill PRETEND to be champions of the black vote when Hilary was AGAINST the Civil Rights Act...so you Latinos need to beware, too! Don't blindly follow Hilary...she just wants your votes and she'll drop you like a hot potato!
Posted by: D | Feb 21, 2008 6:33:09 AM
not trying to be a sexist but i don't think Hillary clinton is strong enough to lead our country. She almost broke into tears when she lost a primary to Barrack i mean what is she going to do in the case that our country is attacked by a terrorist threat. I also think Her statements saying that if you don't go along with my health care plan i garnish your wages is so un-American its ridiculous. I also feel shes just trying to take cheap shots at barrack obama well he doesn't reduce himself to her level and feel the need to attack the other candidate because she wrote him off and now he's taking it to her. The only way she feels she can win is running anti Obama ads and it just makes her look like a dumb beezey.
Posted by: ian | Feb 20, 2008 11:47:03 PM
I am NOW as of last night DECIDED for Hilary Clinton. As an AMERICAN I want to elect a President and spouse that have been PROUD TO BE AMERICAN EVERY DAY OF THEIR LIVES!!! EVERY DAY of their lives!!!! Also, Obama won't debate Hilary except when he absolutely HAS to - what is he scared of if he truly has better ideas? If he did, my belief is he would meet her head on every time it's requested. He won't. I want someone that runs a platform of ISSUES not "hope" and "change" and happy little buzz words. There's no SUBSTANCE to his speeches. He is just a cheerleader. I am so upset because last night I wanted to hear the other party speaking and Obama was RUDE to come out and begin his speech during her speech. It was calculated and rude. That's when I decided to back Hilary. I don't want a President that plays those kind of dirty politics and is RUDE! Let her be heard. What is he afraid of? He should have let her be heard. These are the reasons I have gone from undecided to pro Hilary.
The DEMOCRAT party is totally blowing it. Republicans aren't voting for Obama because they think he's so wonderful. OPEN YOUR EYES PEOPLE!!! They are voting for Obama because Republicans think he'll be easier to beat than Hilary in November.
Democrats that are voting for Obama are electing John McCain. It's an absolute nightmare to watch. Michelle Obama should go live in a different country!
Posted by: Angie | Feb 20, 2008 8:22:19 PM
As I predicted no believer has come forward in suport of her vast leadership experience in getting legislation passed. All they can do is jabb,remain bitter, and piously hold their ignorance out in front of them. Because No one wants to realize the truth about her..that is non of her ever shrinking base... baseheads is a better description
Posted by: brian | Feb 20, 2008 7:21:11 PM
Well, correct me if I am wrong...
If I understand correctly, Venezuela is a country in South America. Actually, it is a fairly good sized country.
Benazir Bhutto was a former Prime Minister of Pakistan...recently assasinated.
But, if it is, in fact, Benazir Bhutto you are referring to, I guess comparing Hillary Clinton with another person of Muslim background is appropriate.
But, just as Dan Quayle was not John Kennedy, Barak Obama is not Benazir Bhutto...
Not even close...
Posted by: Ken | Feb 20, 2008 3:24:00 PM
WI and OH are very much alike, I lived in both states.
Both have a rust belt metropolitan city with high poverty and ringed wealthy suburbs (Milwaukee & Cleveland) Both have a progressive college town and capitol (Madison and Columbus). Both have growing metropolitan areas on a river (Eau Claire and Cincinnati - I know that ones a stretch but...) and aging cities with manufacturing pasts (Dayton and Green Bay and Youngstown and Kenosha) Both WI and OH have rural areas who generally are conservative and poor.
I can certainly see Obama making inroads to Clinton's territory there. Once a decent ground operation takes off there, HRC will have her work cut out for her. The big advantage to either candidate is the population difference. OH is much smaller than WI. Plus OH is tad lockstep when it comes to party politics, whereas WI traditional has split-ticket voters. Progressive and relatively clean politics is a hallmark of WI but OH can be rather down and dirty.
Posted by: jpf | Feb 20, 2008 2:57:59 PM
a woman prime minister who was in leadership for years. Assassinated recently.
Posted by: nancy | Feb 20, 2008 2:54:03 PM
Who is "Venezuela Bhutto?"
Or is it not a who?
Maybe it's country that declared its independence from Brazil...
Posted by: Ken | Feb 20, 2008 2:37:25 PM
Strange how ending up with about 51% of the primary and caucus votes in one party can be considered a "full fledged embrace."
I guess the same person would see about 49% as a rejection.
And try his luck as a poet.
Posted by: Ken | Feb 20, 2008 2:35:01 PM
Hillary's words are like vermon out of a poisonous snake. She is so mean and heartless and have no shame in lying.
This shows how she will lie to American poeple with no remorse. She is a deadwood and as a mother and a woman i wish i could see a motherly side of her.
All i see is a wicked witch like cinderella's mother who would do anything to make sure a deserving person is demonized.
Come on hillary, we are not stupid. You are insulting us when you insult thesincerety in Obama.
Just because you want to be tough does't mean you should loose the appeal of a woman.
I wish Venezuela Bhutto would have taught you to be an appealing woman leader.
Posted by: nancy ngige | Feb 20, 2008 2:34:48 PM
Well, Fred,
Obama DID vote to continue funding the war after we got there.
Hillary admitted on national television (several times) that her vote to give Bush authorization was a mistake.
Unlike Obama and several other candidates, Hillary is human and makes mistakes.
Funny, I have never heard Obama admit that any of his votes were mistakes.
But, then, how can your vote be a mistake when it is "present"?
Posted by: Ken | Feb 20, 2008 2:25:52 PM
I am disgusted with Obama' blow-wind bs and his fun's crap. I am a long time democrat who has seen the victories and the blows of the Dems but stuck to the party. Will no long do so if Obama wins the nomination. If Hillary Clinton is not the Dem nominee for president, I will vote for McCain. I am not for empty rhetoric. And I am not nostalgic of the early 20th century "new" political message. The "new ideas" Obama is peddling have been around for nearly a century. They were bad ideas then, they are bad ideas now. Period.
Posted by: disgustedwithobamafans | Feb 20, 2008 2:04:16 PM
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE PERCENTAGE OF INDEPENDENT VOTES GOING TO OBAMA AS WELL AS THOSE GOING TO MCCAIN. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE PERCENTAGE OF INDEPENDENT FEMALE VOTES OF ALL AGES GOING TO BO VS. DEMOCRATIC FEMALE VOTES OF ALL AGES GOING FOR BO. THEN I WOULD LIKE THOSE VERY SAME PERCENTAGES FOR HILLARY. I WOULD LIKE THE WHOLE BREAKDOWN OF INDEPENDENT VS. DEMOCRAT VOTE. THAT IS WHERE YOU WILL SEE THE MISCHIEVIOUSNESS OF REPUBLICANS WHO WILL RETURN TO THEIR PARTY IN THE FALL. HAPPENS A LOT IN THESE OPEN PRIMARIES, YOU'LL SEE.
Posted by: irma | Feb 20, 2008 1:56:07 PM
Hillary Clinton is fake. Dirty old white man political games she plays. Why not stop attacking your stellar opponent and tell us what some of your solutions are? She is shameful with her name calling and rhetoric. She is a sad display of a woman with too much ego and not enough heart and morality.
Posted by: etw | Feb 20, 2008 1:21:12 PM
hilary clinton
if obama didn't vote to go to war, what did he vote for?
Posted by: fred stewart | Feb 20, 2008 11:55:13 AM
And so it is. HRC has not won since "Super Tuesday," and even then she didn't even win the most pledged delegates. Let's face facts, the wheels came off her campaign a long time ago.
She may try to tear down Obama to close the gaps, but she does so by making herself look increasingly petty and irrelevant.
Posted by: David | Feb 20, 2008 11:45:35 AM
Folks should be running the numbers. My calcs tell me that Hillary will be behind on the pledged delegate counts even if she wins 60% of the delegates in ohio, Texas, Pennsylvania, Indian, West Virginia, Kentucky & Puerto Rico, and Obama ties her in Vermont, Wyoming, Mississippi, Guam, North Carolina, Oregon, Montana, and South Dakata).
The Clinton scenario now includes seating the MI/FL delegates, winning more than half the contests with >60% of the vote, and getting more than 60% of the remaining super delegates. This is kind of like planning on passing a class where you've failed the first 9 quizzes, by planning on getting a 100% on the last quiz, getting extra credit, and then begging the professor for a break. That never worked for me, except in my fantasies.
Posted by: nv | Feb 20, 2008 11:16:52 AM
Barack Obama is an interesting candidate,but Hillary needs to attack him on his weak points and quit beating around the bush. Wisconsin is a big win. But Texas and Ohio are even bigger states with lots of delegates, and I think Hillary will do well in both.
Posted by: Ryan | Feb 20, 2008 11:02:45 AM
Hillary is mendacious!!
Posted by: David | Feb 20, 2008 10:47:23 AM
Obama supporters - You support him because he's for "hope" and "Change". Have you thought about what that involves? Let me remind you - Bush is out so "change" was coming regardless of who wins! Obama's "change" by his own words means raising taxes on "rich" people(beware middle class!), a gov't takeover of health care, and maybe even invading Pakistan! Personally, I think EVERYONE pays to much taxes (even rich people!) Remember - if you're a married couple, say, a fireman & a teacher making 40-50K each YOU'RE NOT MIDDLE CLASS YOUR RICH! And Obama will stick it to you if he has his way! As for health care - name ANYTHING our gov't has taken over that's a success! Health care does need fixing - the best fix is to get our gov't OUT of it! Don't look to Obama for that. He will be the Great Equalizer. We'll all be equally miserable! PS. Look out Pakistan!
Posted by: Wonderdog | Feb 20, 2008 10:36:10 AM
Clinton will hang on much longer than is helpful to the party. Because she is not interested in what is good for the party. Only what will get her to her life long goal of absolute power. she will attempt to acheive this goal no matter who she has to hurt. Even if that is her own party she claims to love. Funny how she Hypes his lack of experience every chance she can. is she reall proud of hers.. because if she is.. why doesn't she use facts and examples to support her argument . Instead we get sideways jabbs and nasty inuendos. Hillary What have you done??.. Besides be the wife of Bill, do you expect us to believe his experience translates to yours? Because I remember her speach in retaliation of Barbara Bush saying she was no tammy wynett standing by her man.. did that really mean she was running the show? So if his success is hers lets look at that... Commitment to peace and stong forigen policies of the likes that the people of Ruwanda remember well. Inovative economic stratagies that the people who lost their pensions as a result of the dot com meltdown and the recession that followed Just in time for the Bushes to inherit it remember,Pride, family values and integrity that the Lewinsky scandal imbedded in all our memories.... Then the reverse carpetbagging wife suddenly becomes a new yorker??? now as a senator what has she done .. really. I mean completed, passed and effected change by doing.... the silence to this will tell volumes.
Posted by: brian | Feb 20, 2008 10:10:02 AM
I love it. Clintonites blaming the media for something. Come-on, every modern Republican President has had to overcome the media to be elected. Can any of you entertain the idea that it could be HER MESSAGE thats dragging her down? Always the messenger, never the message?
Posted by: BBIILLLL | Feb 20, 2008 9:50:10 AM
I think Hillary will do a Lieberman and run as an independent. Just to be a thorn in Obama's backside. Maybe even win on name recognition.. hahahahaahahahahah...
Posted by: nooptee | Feb 20, 2008 9:22:51 AM
Blake: "In your opinion is Hillary Clinton finished?"
Nah, plenty of time for dirty tricks. But the clock is ticking.
Posted by: The Commander Guy | Feb 20, 2008 9:08:50 AM
In your opinion is Hillary Clinton finished?
Posted by: blake | Feb 20, 2008 7:49:55 AM
If clinton lose, my vote will be for MCcain, I don't want change nothing.
I gonna Say "FIX"
If you want fantasy go to Disney.
I want someone serious not a pathetic guy.
Posted by: Edguima | Feb 20, 2008 7:35:03 AM
Fired Up & Ready To Go! Going from the worst-in-history to the Best-in-the-Future. Obama 2008!
Posted by: pt | Feb 20, 2008 7:16:50 AM
It is really sad that the clintons will say and do anything to get elected. I have read many posts on many blogs the one comon thread sems to be that the clinton fans are now resorting to name calling and conspiracy thinking. 'The media created his momentum" "Barrack Osama" Hillary needs to put down the BOTOX and face the music. In a a fashion reminiscent to Bill in 92 Obama speaks to a country tired of status quo politics. It is the people .. white people,black people and all peoples in this nation taht are showing uop in record numbers in all parts of the country. And in clintonesque style he messae continues to change to whatever she feels the people will buy. He has been saying the same thing since 2002. It just kills those die hard clinton fans holdng on to a dream that had its day .....many days ago... to admit they are now the status quo they so bravely fought 16 years ago.. perhaps tey should have listened to the fleetwood mac song they played at every press opp... because tomorrow is here and abd we believe in it.... unfortunately the tomorrow we seek leaves her bitter, nasty, mean and devisive, selfish, arrogant,and petty.. qualities I always look for when seeking a leader. Watch for the nasty ads.. it is all she has left. the politics of say whatever...do whatever.. Just get me elected.. Don't you get it.. I'm Hillary.
Posted by: Brian | Feb 20, 2008 7:07:19 AM
Hey just because Hilary causes you to yawn, doesn't mean you characterize Obama inspiring people as cult'ish. This is yet another talking point memo, circulated by the clinton camp, and just step back and see why Obama is lighting the political fire in ordinary people from coast to coast! Try that..
Posted by: RO | Feb 20, 2008 5:30:26 AM
I'm so tired of how the press has been critical of Hillary Clinton and given Barack and Michelle Obama a free pass. No doubt that the Obamas are smart and well-educated but so is Hillary and the fact that the press let the Obamas get away with saying anything and not pounding them for it has hurt the Clinton campaign immensely. The comments that Hillary and Bill got called on in SC, if they had been said by the Obamas would've just slid under the radar. Hillary, as all smart, successful, strong women in this country is held to a different standard. I consider myself a smart, strong, and successful woman and it's a painful reminder everyday that women are still held to a difficult double standard. I'm a staunch supporter of Hillary because I believe she is the best qualified to do the job. But I am also supporting her because she's a woman and I'm shocked that women and men in this country are still more willing to vote for a man, regardless of color than a woman! People, the news media is a powerful thing...in my opinion, they've already villified Hillary and swung the election the wrong way by making Obama this "untouchable golden boy" when all he and his wife really have going for them is this vague talk of hope and a self-righteous smugness that makes me and many others nauseous. Granted, he's a gifted orator but his recent claims of writing his own speeches...please, he, like all of the candidates have speech writers to manipulate the general public. And all this talk of him being similar to JFK...JFK had much more experience in the Senate than Obama has. I cannot believe how much of this country's population has just bought into his empty rhetoric, it may sound good on the surface but look a little under the hood and not sure you'll find any substance below. I hate to see my fellow Americans being sheep-like and being so easily swayed by the "momentum" that the press created by the way. Texas, Ohio, and Pennsylvania, please vote for substance over rhetoric and support Hillary Clinton. Show the world that Americans can see past all of the misogynistic BS and the clear manipulation by the press!!!
Posted by: sfnygirl | Feb 20, 2008 5:05:27 AM
If a nightmare scenario (B.Hussein Osama nomination) comes to pass, I will remember Wisconsin & Iowas' roles when grocery shopping(i.e. BOYCOTT)& declare my NEW party affilation on the voter registration form . After all this talk of change, it inspired this lifelong Democrat to leave this "freak show" behind.
Posted by: Ex Dem. J.P.inHouston | Feb 20, 2008 4:49:38 AM
Hillary should be ready to conced in TEXAS when OBAMA wins that State.A BIG IN LOSS IN WISCONSIN WILL CONTINUE TO TEXAS AND OHIO.
She must now admit the fact that she can not win this nomination. 2008 is for BARACK OBAMA.
Posted by: I.A.T Smith | Feb 20, 2008 4:08:41 AM
Again a tough night to witness another loss or two by early tomorrow morning, but it does not hurt as bad as last week since HC showed a fighting will in this contest. This loss emphasizes her must win in OH and TX. I hope that other HC supporters also feel that more and more she needs all the support we can provide.
Posted by: esvida | Feb 20, 2008 3:47:08 AM
gohillary: "we need a president, not a peacenik"
Ohhhhhhh, okayyyy.
Posted by: will | Feb 20, 2008 2:46:12 AM
gohillary,
You're implying peacenik and president should be mutually exclusive? Me too. I hate when politicans orient foreign policy towards peace between nations. Peace sucks.
While I agree that it is easier to oppose the war as a state senator, there IS evidence that he opposed it. I just wish there were more like him in the US senate at the time. But you correctly point out that he wasn't.
Posted by: JNH | Feb 20, 2008 2:31:50 AM
Chloe, You know that because?
Posted by: irma | Feb 20, 2008 2:20:48 AM
Mark, Hillary is doing very well considering she is running against the MEDIA and their version of Obama for now. You can not pretend to not notice the obvious in what she is up against. All those crowds are gathering for someone they only know via the media. Not experience with the candidate or an obvious plan. They are there for a product that is advertised daily to them, mostly in the positive.
Posted by: irma | Feb 20, 2008 2:18:26 AM
Sen. Clinton is exactly what this country needs. . . IF the country needs another phony "leader" who will: let her husband push through all the little things he never got to do due to his *cough cough* affair with Monica Lewinsky; FORCE healthcare onto everyone; hinder, not help, the war in Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, and the Israel/Palestine conflict; push the economy into further disaray; take America back to the NOT-so-good-old-days instead of moving into the bright golden dawn of the future; and, finally (to end my tirade,) ruin any chance America has to become, once again, a country "of the people, for the people, and by the people." (I think I got those in the correct order, but if not, I apologize. I'm sure you all know what I mean.)
No, America does not need any of this, and therefore does NOT need Sen. Clinton.
Sen. Obama is the only person who will be able to--dare I say it--change America, fix America, help America, and push America into the future and out of the past 3 decades of the Bush-Clinton-Bush era.
GO OBAMA!!!! =D
Posted by: Chloe | Feb 20, 2008 2:12:36 AM
Let's see if I've got this straight:
Hillary has claimed repeatedly that only she is tough, wise and battle-hardened enough to defeat the Bush/McCain GOP slime teams, character assassins and Shifty Boat Liars, and yet Barack has managed, for all intents and purposes, to defeat her.
Does this then not mean that, by extension, Obama can even *more easily* defeat George W. McCain?
Posted by: Mark | Feb 20, 2008 1:48:37 AM
Clinton is simply not acting presidential anylonger. She is attacking wildly in a panic. Her deportment when compared to Obama is all I need to know. She rips pieces off her own support structure and starts heaving them overboard.
Posted by: cyberbian | Feb 20, 2008 1:43:20 AM
Its time for a real change in Washington. Clinton will only perpetuate the same style of politics we see now, just with a spin to satisfy her constituents. She's all talk, no real action. All politicians talk of change but none actually do. Clinton’s plans, especially health care, is a joke, unrealistic and will put more burden on middle class America, which she claims is her focus. I think Obama has the edge that will challenge conservative and liberal thinking and unit them on a host of issues, and move the country in a direction she has so long been longing for. His style and of leadership and young fresh approach is needed. Just because you have YEARS of experience does not make you the best qualified candidate and this seems to be the mindset and trend in America today. His health care plan is stellar along with other potential policies is on target.
Posted by: Duke Montgomery | Feb 20, 2008 1:37:31 AM
Roosevelt -- the "economist" to which Cindy referred disingenuously is a man (can't recall his name) who serves as A MEMBER OF JOHN MCCAIN'S ECONOMIC TEAM, who was trying to join Clinton in piling on Obama, claiming speciously that he (Obama) had "lifted" some of Clinton's economic policies.
All I can say is, carefully consider the partisan source, and that source's underlying motives....
Posted by: adam | Feb 20, 2008 1:36:30 AM
Looks like someone deleted my post.
I'll say it again. I am a RANCHER.
I voted for Mr. O. as I am tired of the same old politics and dirty dealing.
Posted by: RANCHER | Feb 20, 2008 1:27:52 AM
Hillary represents the Kerry, Gore, Mondale, style of boring liberals who will never get independent votes. Thank god we have another choice this year. Thank god for Obama bringing in new voters.
Obama 08!
Posted by: davey | Feb 20, 2008 1:13:56 AM
Cindy...I'm interested in the information so please provide a citation from said economist and his or her words regarding Barak Obama's policies or else your post, though valiantly given, will be considered nonsensical banter.
Posted by: Roosevelt | Feb 20, 2008 12:55:01 AM
I think Obama supporters are so blind, they believe he was actually in the U.S. Senate in 2002 when the war vote came up. Nope.. He was a STATE SENATOR. It's easy to Monday morning quarterback. Also, I think when push comes to shove.. the American public wants a president, not a peacenik.
Posted by: gohillary | Feb 20, 2008 12:53:01 AM
I've never voted for a Republican presidential candidate in my life, but it looks like that will change this year. I finally came to realize that I am just out of step with the modern day Democratic party that has been beseiged by the Obama movement. I considered myself to be a Democrat along the lines of Harry Truman and JKF, but those types are Democrats don't exist anymore. The party has been taken over by the likes of Daily Kos and other left wing groups. John McCain is a pretty moderate Repbulican and he is the kind of mainstream guy I can vote for.
Posted by: JW | Feb 20, 2008 12:44:40 AM
THANK YOU WISCONSIN!!!! GREAT JOB
Posted by: california | Feb 20, 2008 12:39:29 AM
When does she and her campaign get the message? It is time for her to quit with some dignity.
Posted by: AYC | Feb 20, 2008 12:37:03 AM
yeaaaaaaah...the clinton/bush dynasty is almost dead! time for america to move on. and for future reference DO NOT elect a baby-boomer to the white house EVER AGAIN. they love war ( b.clinton = yugo /bush & HRC = iraq) AND spending their childrens money. at least w/ barack and mccain we'll only get one of these issues (spend childrens money and war respectively). note that i put barack in the x-gen not by age but by thought. yeaaaaaaah!
Posted by: michael | Feb 20, 2008 12:31:49 AM
If you want to claim Obama won because this is an open primary you would be wrong
He won 53 % of the Democrats for voted in Wisconsin who were 62 % of voters. He won 64 % of the Independents who were 28% of the voters. Wisconsin has a STRONG independent tradition and THAT is what is important for winning in November. It is almost always the independents who decide the elections and he is very popular across the country with independents. By the way, he got nearly three times the votes McCain got in WI.
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/index.html#WIDEM
Posted by: ILDemWIborn | Feb 20, 2008 12:24:50 AM
JR - you are absolutely correct. Wisconsin just crowned the next president of the United States - John McCain.
Posted by: Karol | Feb 20, 2008 12:24:32 AM
JR - you are absolutely correct. Wisconsin just crowned the next president of the United States - John McCain.
Posted by: Karol | Feb 20, 2008 12:24:26 AM
Tray/Ryan - One big difference is OH is a closed primary. In WI, there was crossover Indy and Repub voting. However, the slipping demos are a bad sign for Clinton, and the Union endorses for Obama won't help in OH either. Leading up to Mar. 4, I'd expect to see tighter polls, like the 4 pt. ones this weekend in WI (though perhaps in Clinton's favor).
Posted by: Kevin | Feb 20, 2008 12:19:58 AM
Well Roosevelt, He is not President yet. And if you want to read plagerized policies then this is where you would go.
For three weeks ago an economist had state that Obama's economic plan was plagerism at it;s best, with a few minor adjustments to the policy. But as again this got no press.
Posted by: Cindy | Feb 20, 2008 12:14:15 AM
I guess I should be shocked by the amount of hate and ignorance found on this blog but of course I am not. It is healthy for white, black and latino, men and women to objectively look and listen to the real issues that are being addressed by our candidates be they republican or democrat. Barak Obama's popularity seems to be the thorn in most of your sides and you may be slightly intimidated by his charisma but what frightens me the most is that you all have internet access but obviously have not gone to his website and taken some time to view where he stands on the issues. I'd rather you all be honest and say that you never really cared to listen or read where he stands on the issues. Could it be that some are blinded by the shade and others are not. This is the age of information people!!! Educate yourselves first then make a wise decision in November. God Bless America
Posted by: Roosevelt | Feb 20, 2008 12:05:39 AM
SE Croft, before Obama, did we all not vote? Did we not get up and try to build a great nation? Since he has brought out his change message have you changed your daily routine to try to make the nation better? It is just words. Remember your school graduation speeches? Not much different.
Posted by: Jim | Feb 20, 2008 12:02:53 AM
I would like to know the percentage of votes from Independents that went for Obama. It was open and Republican leaning Independents or newly registered voters were able to vote. Since Obama has been so open to Republicans voting for him, I will vote Republican to return all the favors he owes that party. I am sure all the Obama Republicans will join me at some point.
Posted by: irma | Feb 19, 2008 11:01:58 PM
Fair question Tapper. I don't think that 13 points is a blowout. On the other hand, if Hillary wins by slim margins in the big 3, or he takes any one of the big 3, it will be time for her to gracefully concede, to maintain her political standing for her next time out. As a next move, if that happens, I would like to see Hillary run for Governor of New York, so she will establish impeccable executive credentials for when we finally elect a woman in 4 or 8 years, if it doesn't happen this year. As a Hillary supporter I would not like to see her win this by superdelegates only, but I can change my opinion if she somehow ekes out the net of the overall popular vote.
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | Feb 19, 2008 11:01:44 PM
I don't understand why so much hatred for the Clintons. WE all must admit Bill was a better President than Bush. All I can say is I agree with prior comments that I also feel this is paving the way for a JM victory. When are Obama's followers going to open there eyes and see that he is like a fad. It is hip to follow Obama. In his interview today I actually heard women screaming "I love you Obama" I am sorry I was under the impression we were searching for the next president not the next "American Idol" whenn all is said and done he will fall flat on his face.
Posted by: crystal | Feb 19, 2008 11:01:15 PM
If you look at the County breakdowns in WI, you'll see the Obama did very well in most of the bluecollar sections of the State. He trounced her in papermill country and the west side of the State. This does not bode well for her in Ohio.
Posted by: goofus | Feb 19, 2008 11:00:09 PM
Obama is virtually tied with Hillary in Texas. Even if she wins Ohio, she would have to win every other contest after that to make any sort of comeback.
And just for the record, the reason I don't support Hillary is because of her flawed healthcare plan (mandatory healthdcare? I don't think so), her the constant attacks on Obama that are just petty and distracting (who cares if he didn't write those words. Him and Patrick are friends, and Patrick gave him permission to use them), and I don't trust her when she says that she's helping the little guy, when a good chunk of her personal wealth has come from giant corporations.
Posted by: Shawn | Feb 19, 2008 10:48:04 PM
True Obama is a gifted speaker but where is the beef? I hear lovely words but I see no history of action or plans for future action. I would love to see him or HRC in the White House but is this a set up to put JM in the White House in November?
Posted by: Neat | Feb 19, 2008 10:45:30 PM
After Obama takes TX and OH -
I suggest a third party duo!
Hillary and Huckabee!
That way both can stay in the race without making any impact!
Posted by: pamela | Feb 19, 2008 10:43:56 PM
..and let's not forget the performance based delegate allocation system of TX! Just because a majority of Latinos are against Obama does not mean HRC will sweep TX. Imo, the Latino-rich south precints have a poor voting record and even if they come-out in droves this time the delegate allocation system will take into account past turnouts thus rendering their contribution only minimal/insignificant..
Posted by: Al | Feb 19, 2008 10:39:27 PM
He can close the gap all he wants, I know where am voting and I wont vote for Obama and his rude wife not for all the tea in China. I am too proud of my country to be a part of putting the Obama's in the WH.
Posted by: SJ | Feb 19, 2008 10:37:48 PM
Obama has already closed the gap to where he needs to be in Texas and Ohio. Hillary needed significant wins in both those states in order to make up the delegate difference. All Obama needs to do is withstand the onslaught of negative attacks from Clinton and McCain.
Posted by: Mike | Feb 19, 2008 10:34:04 PM
Tony, One of the impressive things about Barack Obama is that he is actually able to bring black and white men together, as well as people of every age, socioeconomic class and ethnicity. People may call his message empty but clearly people in this country are responding to the idea that there is more that holds us together than keeps us apart.
Posted by: drill | Feb 19, 2008 10:29:53 PM
The trend is, the more HRC is seen/heard, the more consideration is given to Obama. It's called Clinton Fatigue.
For a while now this evening, Obama's held a 13% lead in WI. The Clinton campaign will try but there's no good way to spin this. Fineman's surely right in saying that she'll come out with guns blazing at Thursday, but it will look petty and desperate.
WI just crowned the next President of the United States.
Posted by: JR | Feb 19, 2008 10:26:01 PM
tray, wisconsin is an open primary, so a lot of white dudes cross-voted for obama. they will go back to mccain in november. unless obama can attract clinton's disgruntled female and latino voters, mccain has this wrapped up. he's already going to lose florida. opinion polls show that a vast majority of florida voters say they would never vote for obama, wrongfully blaming him for their disenfranchisement.
Posted by: tony | Feb 19, 2008 10:24:16 PM
Doesn't seem much of an "if" so far!
Posted by: Jackt51 | Feb 19, 2008 10:23:12 PM
I'm from Ohio and I personally have a hard time understanding, the real difference between Wisconsin and Ohio. I really think we should play this state by state. But as a Hillary fan I'm kind of worried but at the same time, Wisconsin was never in the plan, she only played there latter in the game. But I'm tired of losses!
Posted by: Ryan | Feb 19, 2008 10:22:04 PM
obama gets 2/3 of male voters -- most of whom are white. she gets majority of female votes. what do white guys have against hillary that white women dont? anyway - i think it is interesting that white dudes and black people are obama's biggest supporters. when will this coalition end? well once he is elected and does something to show that the groups do not have any longterm political unity.
Posted by: tony | Feb 19, 2008 10:21:30 PM
your blog made my night Jake.
over and over and over and over again.
:)
Posted by: uneek | Feb 19, 2008 10:20:47 PM
The WI & HI stomp is happening Jake.
And Obama is closing the gaps in OH and TX. If he sweeps March 4th, she needs to get out or look foolish.
Posted by: ROB | Feb 19, 2008 10:20:42 PM
Well, Hillary continues to lead in polls in Ohio and Texas, so there must be some explanation. I confess I don't know what the difference between Ohio and Wisconsin is, but maybe Wisconsin's wealthier or more progressive.
Posted by: Tray | Feb 19, 2008 10:07:27 PM
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