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Just Words, Part 2
February 19, 2008 3:18 PM
The Obama campaign is taking issue with the idea that there's any contradiction in Patrick's timeline.
The argument is that, yes, as the New York Times reported, Gov. Patrick talked about Clinton's attacks on him last Summer, and then Patrick talked to Obama's speechwriters.
But the Obama campaign maintains that explanation of how Patrick's language ended up in Obama's speech doesn't contradict the fact that Obama was using the language prior to the Summer.
They did not elaborate on when Obama first started using the language beyond the notion that both Patrick and Obama say they riff off each other and have for years.
Here's the graph in question, written by the excellent Ryan Lizza in The New Republic from March 2007 in a story about community organizer Saul Alinksy:
The church also helped Obama develop politically. It provided him with new insights about getting people to act, or agitating, that his organizing pals didn't always understand. "It's true that the notion of self-interest was critical," Obama told me. "But Alinsky understated the degree to which people's hopes and dreams and their ideals and their values were just as important in organizing as people's self-interest." He continued, "Sometimes the tendency in community organizing of the sort done by Alinsky was to downplay the power of words and of ideas when in fact ideas and words are pretty powerful. We hold these truths to be self-evident, all men are created equal.' Those are just words. I have a dream.' Just words. But they help move things. And I think it was partly that understanding that probably led me to try to do something similar in different arenas."
I guess my questions are when did Obama first start using this Patrick riff as his own.
And why would Patrick need to talk to Obama's speechwriters if he'd already clearly incorporated it into his language? Keep in mind -- the words in question from the Wisconsin speech were NOT in the prepared remarks, as ABC News' eagle-eyed Jonathan Greenberger notes. So I'm not quite clear where the speechwriters come into this.
-- jpt
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What is the value of words?
Sen. Barack Obama defended the value of words recently with a "line" given to him by Gov. Deval Patrick: “Don’t tell me words don’t matter. ‘I have a dream’—just words? ‘We the people hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal’—just words? ‘We have nothing to fear but fear itself’—just words? Just speeches?”
Sen. Obama often quotes great men, giants of humanity like Martin Luther King, John Fitzgerald Kennedy, men like our nation's founding fathers. Were their words, just words? Oh no, not hardly, these are the words of men, who risked their very lives for the ideals and principles their words represented. Men who faced down tyranny and hatred, faced down muskets and Japanese destroyers in the horror of bloody war and battle, faced down firehoses and billy clubs, with the courage and conviction to not only speak those words but heroically defend the principles they espoused, principles such as freedom and equality. Their words have value and meaning and resonance because of who they were, what they'd risked, what they sacrificed, what they'd achieved, and what they fought for. No those men, their words weren't merely eloquent and inspiring. They weren't merely words. Sen. Obama is correct about that. Those men's words were the embodiment of all that is fine and noble in the human species. Their words are as heavy and as solid the as freedom they represented.
When John F. Kennedy wrote Profiles In Courage, it wasn't fine merely because of the eloquence of the words, but because of the valor and sacrifices he'd made on behalf of the ideas his words embodied. When Dr. King made speeches, those speeches were anchored with the mighty weight of unflinching courage, in bold defiance of oppression and prejudice. The very speaking of these words subjected him to jeapordy, as did the founding fathers' words.
These men's words Sen. Obama quotes weren't vague or manipulative or self-serving or hollow, and quoting the words of great men, doesn't make one great, or right, or noble, or worthy by association. Those things must be earned, as they earned them.
So yes, words matter, but not merely the words themselves, but the men who speak them matter just as much. Perhaps one day Sen. Obama's words will have earned that stature, but not yet.
Posted by: Teri B. | Feb 26, 2008 7:18:31 AM
I don't know why this is such a big deal. Obama and Patrick are old friends. Heck, if my best friend used a joke I made up (original not repeated), I would feel flattered.
Now, if he had done this with someone he did not know, and did not give credit, then I would be miffed. Friends copy each other all the time. It demonstrates that they have things in common.
He could have qualified it with, "As my good friend from Mass. pointed out,..." and we wouldn't even be talking about it. Besides, legally plagiarism only applies if the originator of the intellectual property does not give permission, as Patrick obviously did.
Posted by: Brian | Feb 21, 2008 5:16:39 AM
ohhh i see so Obama thinks its no big deal to use Patricks words because he has been using them for years now...huh..
and his economic plan in which he lifted the 5 million green jobs from Hillary Clinton ? and his WI win speech last night in which he refd MLK and then riffed the we cannot afford to wait from the Letter from the Birmingham Jail, so basically his candidacy is based on his ability to lift useful ideas from other successful people..why not just elect an actual thinker, Clinton 08
Posted by: jedi mom | Feb 20, 2008 1:03:12 PM
Wait a minute. Are we really about to give Barack Hussein Obama access to nuclear weapons?
Posted by: Alice | Feb 19, 2008 9:45:40 PM
Obama is a Socialist and a Marxist. His Houston Office has a cuban flag with Che imposed on it. I think that should worry people even Democrats.
Posted by: Harley | Feb 19, 2008 6:59:20 PM
Obama was and is a social worker, who worked for the poorest and more important motivated others to do so. That is his energy, to motivate others to do something for the better. If you really read his record you would realize that he's a cool dude. Before Obama was on the scene nearly everybody was for Hillary.
To switch to Obama, you have to change your mind. The more education you have, the more you realize that you have to change your mind very often, because thats a major part in the learning process. So, you are more open to consider another path, but only after getting the facts.
Posted by: Mike | Feb 19, 2008 6:23:03 PM
Heck, Mike, I can't let that one pass. Most because working class stiffs like me know crap when we hear it. Sometimes its hard to pay the bills for people like me so we tend to look for substance over rhetoric because it affects us here in the real world. BTW I've been a fighter pilot on good nights at various watering holes. So I do recognize crap when I hear it as I've used it ofter enough.
Posted by: Wil | Feb 19, 2008 6:11:23 PM
Really, if I type they squeak so much, it's horrible. bye bye to may Hillabot counterimages. Oil Oil
Posted by: Mike | Feb 19, 2008 6:07:29 PM
I was an Edwards supporter first...lol
Posted by: Harley | Feb 19, 2008 6:07:21 PM
See ya Mike. I've got to go too. I like arguing politics so I'm glad someone was actually willing to do a little back and forth. You were a formidable foe. LOL I still think you need to put down the Obama Kool Aid but I can see thats not going to happen. LOL Later man.
Posted by: Harley | Feb 19, 2008 6:06:39 PM
Harley, maybe some of these votes would have been Edwards.
Posted by: Mike | Feb 19, 2008 6:03:53 PM
See ya Will! Keep the Obamabots on their toes!
Posted by: Harley | Feb 19, 2008 6:03:31 PM
Actually I have to get some oil to grease my joints.
Obamabots need oil.
Posted by: Mike | Feb 19, 2008 6:02:47 PM
Michigan could be settled by giving Obama the 300,000 undecided voters that voted that way because Obama didn't want to put his name on the ballet to avoid it looking like a loose.
Posted by: Harley | Feb 19, 2008 6:02:07 PM
Muzza, Harley, Wil : Why do the better educated voters go more for Obama ? Are they also "empty suits" ?
Posted by: Mike | Feb 19, 2008 6:00:47 PM
Sorry, Harley, Mike, I have to get moving. Talk to you all later.
Posted by: Wil | Feb 19, 2008 6:00:44 PM
But yeah I agree that there should be some kinda solution so the delegates are seated. I think Hillary wins the state in a PRIMARY re-do but in caucuses, I think all the college students with no jobs that have been winning caucus states for Obama shouldn't speak for a whole state. I hope Hillary goes to all the caucus states conventions and steals delegates away from Obama like he stole the caucuses with his non working supporters. And don't say thats not what they did. It's a fact that it was all young voters for Obama in those states.
Posted by: Harley | Feb 19, 2008 5:58:53 PM
I wouldn't mind a public election, but you can't vote for that, whoever the REAL candidate is. And in MI only Hill and Kucinic were on the Ballot, and thats really a bit unfair.
Posted by: Mike | Feb 19, 2008 5:57:47 PM
Harley, you are indeed a man of principle. I share your feelings.
Posted by: Wil | Feb 19, 2008 5:57:21 PM
Sorry Will....I can't vote for Obama. If he's the nominee I'm looking for a Bloomberg or gambling on McCain to get back on the real Straight Talk Express. I just can't vote for an empty suit.
Posted by: Harley | Feb 19, 2008 5:53:06 PM
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