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'Shame on You, Barack Obama!'
February 23, 2008 6:05 PM
Call her angry, call her frustrated, call her powerful, call her furious -- call her what you will -- but Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., very aggressively challenged Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., in Cincinnati today.
"Shame on you, Barack Obama," she said, per ABC News' Eloise Harper. "It is time you ran a campaign consistent with your messages in public. That’s what I expect from you. Meet me in Ohio. Lets have a debate about your tactics and your behavior on this campaign."
What had aroused Clinton's ire?
Two mailers from the Obama campaign.
One of them is about NAFTA, not exactly the most popular part of Bill Clinton's legacy here in union-friendly Ohio. It misleadingly seems to quote Clinton calling NAFTA "a boon" to the economy, when in fact she never said that, it was New York Newsday's characterization of her position.
We took a look at that mailer HERE.
She also took issue with a health care mailer that inaccurately states that Clinton's health care plan "forces everyone to buy insurance, even if you can't afford it... and you pay a penalty if you don't."
Actually, Clinton has dodged the issue of how those failing to abide by her mandates would be penalized.
The Obama campaign quite speciously quotes from a college newspaper, The Daily Iowan, to back up this quote.
Factcheck.org took a look at the health care mailer HERE -- which to be honest seems to upset her as much for its style as for its substance. It looks a lot like the insurance industry's "Harry & Louise" TV ads that sank her 1993 health care plan.
"Enough about the speeches, and the big rallies, and then using tactics right out of Karl Rove's playbook," Clinton railed. "This is wrong and every Democrat should be outraged."
She said these fliers were not "only wrong but it is undermining core Democratic principles. Since when do Democrats attack one another on universal health care?"
Umm... Sen. Clinton, you've been attacking Obama on the subject for months.
Including in your own misleading health care mailer, which we took a look at HERE.
Obama today stuck to his guns, saying -- per ABC News' Sunlen Miller -- that "Sen. Clinton as part of the Clinton administration supported NAFTA, in her book she called it one of the administration’s successes. And we point that out in a state that has been devastated by trade and has been deeply concerned about the position of candidates on trade."
As for the flier on health insurance, Obama said that Clinton "has been the one who has made this difference about mandates the centerpiece not just of the healthcare debate but practically her campaign. And what this mailer does is point out this difference that she herself surfaced and describes what the mandate that she's calling for would mean, which is that the government would force you to buy healthcare. That’s indisputable. So the notion that somehow we're engaging in nefarious tactics I think is pretty hard to swallow."
It was pointed out that even Newsday disputed his campaign's use of "boon" in quotes. Obama said "that’s fair enough" but "the mailer went out before the newspaper made the correction, right? That’s my understanding and I will need to check with staff on that."
Obama insinuated that this wasn't real outrage by Clinton but rather a new campaign tactic. We'll take a look at this all on World News this evening, live from Akron, Ohio.
- jpt
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-- I watched this afternoon a press conference on CNN with Obama answering to Hilary's "Shame On You". He was very uncomfortable and stammering and stuttering. --
He had the look of a chastened schoolboy
on his face.
He knows what his staff has been putting
out, while he runs high & mighty as the
candidate of integrity.
Again - why the "Harry & Louise" imagery?
That is GOP-style deingration of opponent.
Posted by: RG | Feb 23, 2008 9:56:59 PM
I lived in the US for alomost four years, teached the children in a public school, and married a Us citizen. I love american personality in the whole and their love for the country. Obama is no different from our traditional politicians here ( Philippines)who are supported by oligarchy with their special interest and most of all ended corrupt. I pity the Americans who will end up voting for him for he is dishonest to the point of no integrity and selling American dream for his dream of money and power.
Posted by: aisa | Feb 23, 2008 9:39:31 PM
I watched this afternoon a press conference on CNN with Obama answering to Hilary's "Shame On You". He was very uncomfortable and stammering and stuttering. This is big news. I also noticed how the media has not shown any of this tape, but only a statement saying the mailers are true. I think the media IS biased towards Clinton. They are tired of her and only want to report on the new kid in town. I think her "Shame on You" statement is valid and I wish the media would show Obama's ruffled and unsmooth response. He was visibly unprepared and I think I may have even seen a bead of sweat on his forehead!
Posted by: Lauren O'Rourke | Feb 23, 2008 9:34:02 PM
GO Hillary! Hasn't anyone noticed that the man who says he'll listen to others and admit when he's wrong is NEVER wrong. Thank God Hillary called Barack out today, but of course he'll never own up to his part - he never does. He just keeps showing us, time and time again, that he can dish it out, but he can't take it. Talk about the man with the walking double standard. We're in trouble if he makes it to the White House. Oh but wait a minute - we should be used to this since it's what we've been living with for the last 8 years.
Posted by: kym - seattle, wa | Feb 23, 2008 9:32:53 PM
dotheresearch: as someone else used this metaphor, it is a fairly good one: mandated insurance is like car insurance.......if someone is not covered and they cause an accident, they should be penalized out the wazoo....people who don't drive with car insurance and then cause accidents (or are INVOLVED in accidents, where they have a percentage of the accident responsibility) drive up the cost of insurance for OTHER responsible citizens who HAVE insurance. Besides, with catastrophic diseases on the rise and the cost it takes to care for people with these diseases, it only follows that EVERYONE have MANDATED health insurance, or the un-insured AND under-insured will bankrupt the whole healthcare system for the rest of us. It just makes logical and smart sense to have EVERYONE covered. Period.
Posted by: Is it Jan. 9, 2009 YET???? | Feb 23, 2008 9:10:15 PM
There is a sudden nervousness surrounding the Obama campaign and it probably has little to do with the upcoming debate or primaries.
Posted by: Battouta | Feb 23, 2008 9:05:04 PM
What is wrong with you people? Hillary did say that Universal Healthcare would be mandated and that EVERYONE had to buy in or they would be penalized. She said it during the last debate this past week. Which lead to the heated discussion on why that was a bad idea and Obama telling her that folks who can't afford it will be penalized and still be without insurance but worse off than they were before. How else would she expect to make sure everyone bought into her plan? ANYONE, ANYONE???? please. Regarding NAFTA that happened under her watch it is a part of her "35 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE".
Posted by: dotheresearch | Feb 23, 2008 9:01:06 PM
Nafta was signed by Bush Sr., it did make legislation until under a republican congress when Bill was president, so it was in orogress with the republicans and the first administration before Bill Clinton ever took office. During the Bush Jr.= years it was misused, it was about trade idiots not outsourcing jobs. That falls directly under Bush Jr. head and his buddy Cheney.
Posted by: Disgusted | Feb 23, 2008 8:56:41 PM
I hope the sponsors of the next debate will consider focusing more heavily on the health insurance differences between the two candidates. They foreclosed the lively discussion that had just gotten underway in the last debate due to Campbell Brown's inexperience. This is an opportunity to really get at a central difference in their campaigns - one that spells the difference between effective and meaningless change.
Obama thinks that mandates are okay for children - although the practical application of that is mindboggling. Doesn't he realize that providing health care for children is not where the big money is being spent. Fortunately, children are among the healthiest in our population; and, thanks to Hillary Clinton, the CHIPS program has extended coverage to significant numbers of children whose parents are of limited means. The big health care expenditures go for care uninsured adults - many of whom gamble that they can beat the system. A central part of Clinton's plan is providing support for people who can't afford it - why wouldn't we require payment from those who could afford it?
Finally, we know that Obama knows or should know about health care. His wife works for U of Chicago Medical Center. Are his supporters aware that uninsured people who access care at that hospital are billed 300 % more than what insurers pay for their members. And when they can't pay it, collection agencies aggressively pursue payment from mostly inner city people of limited means. Meanwhile, his wife is paid $ 300,000 annually. I'm sure they like the system just the way it is. IT CERTAINLY WORKS FOR THEM!
Posted by: twinmom48 | Feb 23, 2008 8:48:00 PM
For someone who wants everyone to believe that he's the frontrunner and who thinks that Clinton should just lay down and play dead, he and his minions -dare I say cultists - seem to be running scared. If they really believed that the nomination is a foregone conclusion why would he/they mount such an effort against her?
Her health care plan is the only one that makes sense. The majority of us are covered by employer group health plans - though more and more responsible people are paying privately for health insurance (as employers find ways to shed this expensive benefit. Don't his supporters realize (I know he does) that we all pay when people decide to forego insurance through higher taxes and higher premiums - these same high premiums that have caused employers to eliminate coverage. Mandates are the only way that health insurance costs will be reduced. Something else to consider, wages and raises get figured based on health insurance premiums. The more our employer pays for insurance, the less he pays us.
Finally, check out factcheck.org. he lied.
Posted by: twinmom48 | Feb 23, 2008 8:33:02 PM
Chip: are you actually enjoying paying MY healthcare bills, because I do not have health insurance, and I don't HAVE to get it under obama?
Meanwhile, if Hillary is not elected and there is no MANDATED UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE, this country is going bankrupt in the next 20 or so years, because of all of the rising rates of Alzheimer's Disease and Cancer and other catastrophic, long-term diseases, and the amount of persons with no healthcare at all......I guess that falls on YOU and others, once again, Chip......maybe you'll be paying for their medical bills as well........remember, we DON"T HAVE TO GET HEALTHCARE INSURANCE under obama.......
Posted by: Is it Jan. 9, 2009 YET???? | Feb 23, 2008 8:26:07 PM
This is a truly pathetic hail Mary.
What a bi-polar flop this Clinton campaign has turned into.
Posted by: PulSamsara | Feb 23, 2008 8:24:05 PM
Perhaps Obama is stammering in that interview because he knows about the upcoming press conference by Larry Sinclair and the allegations of his using crack cocaine in November 1999. Plus the evidence being presented.
whitehouse dot com
Look I am an African-American male and I would love to see a Black President, but only if he is honest and with experience.
I want the truth about Obama.
We deserve to know that's all.
Posted by: RJ | Feb 23, 2008 8:22:12 PM
Obama was stammering and bumbling through his "press conference." I think people forget what a lousy speaker he is without a teleprompter. Four years of that? Ugh.
Posted by: Cronyn | Feb 23, 2008 8:10:14 PM
She must be pouting because the media didn't go along with the Weather Underground story her campaign pushed against Obama (even though her husband pardoned a member of Weather Underground). Do we want a President who throws tantrums when things don't go their way? How sad. There are so many strong, smart women.
Posted by: Carl | Feb 23, 2008 8:00:54 PM
Mandate means to make mandatory....Geez people if it is mandated it is legally required like having car insurance. If something is mandated and you don't comply, you are in violation of the law. If you violate the law, you are penalized.
Her plan is mandated. So, rakari, my friend, Senator Obama is not misleading the public. AND these mailers have been out since Iowa and the Clinton campaign knew about them and screamed then also. Today's big "I am so outraged" bit was just as staged as a Broadway production.
However, after her "butter wouldn't melt in my mouth I am just so honored to be on the stage with Barack Obams, BS that she tossed last week, I can hardly wait to see how this week's debate goes.
As to NAFTA, well, if you dance with the devil don't be surprised if you get burned. She wanted to claim the Clinton Administration as her "bona fide" to experience but she only wants to claim the good parts of it...yeah, right....
If Hillary could put one honest, geniune day on the campaign trail it surely would be worth reporting.
Posted by: Chip | Feb 23, 2008 7:58:11 PM
Has anyone noticed that Obama agreeing with Hillary all the time during the debate, this way he can avoid debating her and maintain his lead. Debate is supposed to highlight differences so that voters can access. Also in his speeches he already wants people to sacrifice. Since the press hates hillary, he is having an easy time. Also he talks about he won't take money from special interests, who is Oprah, who is sponsoring a lot of his money, is she not special interest? Also how does he foot the bill for all of his big rallies.
Posted by: peter norman | Feb 23, 2008 7:55:51 PM
What an incredible acting job on the part of Hillary Clinton. To pull out a political flier from weeks ago and make it out to be some big deal as if he had claimed she was the illegitimate daughter of *** Nixon or something. What does the flier actually say- not much?
It’s not like he accused her of pimping her daughter in Wisconsin- which she did.
It’s not like he accused her brother of getting paid to get people pardoned by her husband- all of which happened.
It’s not like he blamed her and her husband, because she was at ever cabinet meeting, for selling out the working people of the United States through NAFTA and by offer most favored Nation status to China- which is exactly what they did. Out sourcing started under Clinton not Bush.
I have to say "the lady doth protest too much."
It is up to the forth estate to set the record straight if they have the guts to face the Clinton attack machine.
Ironic for Hillary Clinton to shame anyone. In order to shame someone you have to understand and appreciate what shame is. The Clinton’s are devoid of shame. Shame is not a part of their ethical, moral or cultural lexicon.
Attack! Attack! Distract! Distract! That is the Clinton strategy. As for Karl Rove- yeah he learned everything from them. It is time for change we don’t need these people to lead this country.
20 years of Clinton’s and Bush’s is enough. We've all had enough of this garbage.
Posted by: bluedogtired | Feb 23, 2008 7:49:41 PM
I saw Obama on CNN rebutting her comments. He was stuttering and hedging the whole time. I have never seen him so unpoised. It made me think twice about my support for him.
Posted by: M.L. Bell | Feb 23, 2008 7:44:09 PM
The time for final defeat is becoming closer everyday. After 11 defeats every single day more and more voters are moving toward Barak as shown in the polls and Hillary is under serious pressure and she has become mad and agressive, let us understand her mind status. She has not been able to manage her campaign, she will not be able to manage the Us Government or reverse the economic trends in the US.
Posted by: BKMC | Feb 23, 2008 7:32:08 PM
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