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Now that the American people are aware of Obama's 20 year association with the anti-American, racist rants of his mentor/advisor Wright (and Moss) ... polls are already showing a dramatic drop in the polls for Obama. Had the American people known about this Obama/Wright association a year ago, Obama would not be ahead in popular votes, or delegates at this point in time ... in fact, he probably wouldn't even still be in the race. This type of situation is exactly why super delegates exist ... and, if they continue to support Obama, it will guarantee McCain's victory in November. The Democrats' only hope for victory in November's general election is HIllary Clinton.

Popular vote vs. delegates ...

Obama and his supporters keep saying that the democratic nominee should be the one who gets the most popular votes ... not super delegates. But, in addition to Obama accepting Richardson’s delegate vote, even though Hillary won the popular vote in New Mexico ... it’s apparent that if Obama’s 20 year association with racist Wright (and indirect association with Farrakan) had been known a year ago by the public ... Obama would not have gained a lead in the popular vote ... in fact, he probably wouldn’t even still be in the race at all!

Is is balanced after 7+ years in office for the Republicans? Lieberman!! My gosh lady, pick up a few newspapers and magazines and quit listening to Rush.

Are we still blaming Bill Clinton for this pending recesssion?

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Vote Republican and vote it often! Our budget would be balanced, the pending recession/depression would be curtailed and moral/social values would return more sooner than later if an astute Jewish candidate would run and win, such as Joe Lieberman. Get rid of Clinton and Obama and keep the Republican party in office.

Posted by: Daisy Mae C. | Feb 28, 2008 1:54:18 PM

Isn't giving money to sway votes called lobbying? Yet Obama gives money to the campaigns of the super-delegates to get their votes.

Why is it OK for him to lobby? You can't have it both ways.

Vote Republican and vote it often! Our budget would be balanced, the pending recession/depression would be curtailed and moral/social values would return more sooner than later if an astute Jewish candidate would run and win, such as Joe Lieberman. Get rid of Clinton and Obama and keep the Republican party in office.

If Hillary could just kindly remove herself from this race, then we would not have to worry about this discrepancy any more. All she does is sling mud.

People can be so ignorant.....IF Obama received money from muslims I'm sure the media would be all over it. How much money did the Bush family receive from the osama bin laden's family???That is the question..... and are we suppose to hate all muslims? I thought we Americans are suppose to be better than that.

The issue of super delegates and the democratic party is unconscionable. Currently Obama is ahead in the popular vote and behind in the delegate vote. We can not have 800 party insiders decide the primaries for us! I have created a protest page here

If you think this is an issue please add a comment to the protest page of the website. I will print out all the comments and give them to the Democratic party.

If Dave Peck is correct, then why do they keep putting Michigan and Florida in the "Clinton column"?

There is obviously some kind of Clinton "machine" at work here. Politics as usual.

I warned the DNC that this huge turnout of enthusiastic, young voters and first-time voters will be extremely angry if the "party elders" say, "We know what's best for you" and vote against their wishes. Some will be so angry that they will either stay home or vote Republican.

It sounds like some of you just awoke from a long sleep. The DNC, that's the Democratic NATIONAL Commitee, told ALL of the states that if they tried to butt ahead of the schedule, they would not be counted. Yet, FL & MI responded by thumbing their nose at the rest of the democratic COUNTRY. That is 2 states saying, "We don't care what the other 48 states think, cause we are special". Now they are whining for their vote to be counted. WHY? It seems obvious that once they get their way, they will again thumb their nose at the rest of the country and say, "See, we are special!"

Everybody keeps talking about delegates from Florida and Michigan.......what the people were told is if they didn't want Hillary to vote "Undecided"......
If you had paid attention, Hillary got 42% and the rest were "UNDECIDED"
Of course you also have to remember that Hillary was the only one who broke ranks to go visit these states and even then,...
42% and she had no compitition !!!!
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I didn't give no permission for no "Super Delegate" to cast my vote!I have already went down to the motor vehicle dept and changed to Independent. No more Democratic party for me! The Democrats could have had it all this time around but they will try to bypass the will and the strength of the people and push Hillary down our throats (Just like they did with Kerry)......not only because she is part of the clique but because they like politics the way they are and they are voting will their greed in mind instead of the will of the people they are suppose to represent!If they do as I suspect, I urge all Obama democrats to change your affilation to independent and not only can we mass together and get rid of Hillary once and for all but we can also get rid of the "Super Delegates" that sold us out!!

Since Oprah is supporting Obama, maybe we can get Bill Gates to support Clinton. I mean that would be fair, but then I am sure I would be called a racist then. The Bush administration has drastically ruined the state of the US and even a lot of people's patriotism. I for one am having a hard time caring anymore....

When superdelegates vote the way their state voted the voices of Democratic voters will be heard simply means that the superdelegates will vote accordingly with the state majority votes.
As far as Obama's grandmother, she looked well dressed to me. She dressed as well as any American walking around here everyday. Her dress and her head piece matched in every picture that I've seen of her and the material seemed to be of fine quality. Her home appeared to looked as nice as some Americans homes now look. We have people that are homeless and live in trailers and trailer parks that don't look any better and people that live in homes and apartments all across America that don't look any better and it's going on for years and OUR government seems to think it is normal because they haven't done anything about it. By the way that is a cultural issue in Kenya, also they have alot of poverty there. What type of issue would you describe it here, the land of golden opportunity, the home of the free and the brave, the land of the rich and famous when you have people living here in America like they do in Kenya? People living in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Take a look at yourself, your relatives and your surroundings first before casting the first stone because your house can come tumbling down too.

Since this election raises a lot of interest, I would like to contribute with my understanding and experience. A lot is said about unity,because America is a melting pot. I live in Paris in a neibourghood where are concentrated more than anywhere else multiracial groups.Since I run a theatre company and also an artistic space, I receive small subsidies to help create a sense of community through artistic events.Because of differences of culture the most sensible thing is to maintain the status quo among the groups.The worst thing is to project agressively your vision over your stranger neighbour. Now the asians have a strong background of stoicism through their culture, they work hard and try to send their kids to the university, if not run business so they have a decent life. I read from blogs that in America they vote for Hillary against black people. This is completely wrong. My asian background tells me that they are pragmatic and see that Hillary wants health care for people and they already know about her. I have family in California so I can speak. It's as simple as that. It's not against Obama so the supporters should not get offended over this, and create an unnecessary bad atmosphere by implying racism. Diversity is great if there is real respect and understanding. This takes time. Don't be untolerant and impatient. If Obama does not get the asian support now maybe he will in the future if he shows proof of his competence.

I doubt if Obama has unpaid bills. Oprah has made sure that he stays ahead of the game. It's hard for some of you to accept the fact that Obama is a truly gifted individual and will make a great president. This country needs to change Jena six proves that. As far as his grandmother goes and where she lives, how do you know what he has attempted to do? He doesn't have to relate all of his personal choices and decisions to you. How many of you feel responsible for the way your grandparents live or for that matter, where they live? How do you know that it's not her choice to remain in Kenya? Some of you assume a lot. How truly informed are you about Obama? I for one support him wholeheartedly and look forward to having the first bi-racial president of the United States.

blk folk need to realize that the dem's don't need them anymore.The Hispanics & Asians rescued Hillary.Poor Obama freaks

super-delegates were created as a "firewall to blunt any party outsider that built up a head of steam in the primaries."

Can anybody say OBMAMA CULT. This is exactly why they have super delegates. To prevent Obama's cult following from make a mistake for this country

Obama should be more afraid if the award Florida. Thats the peoples vote to. BUt Obama fails to mention them like their vote don't count because they voted for Hillary.

Full State-by-State Scorecard Democratic Race

Current Delegate Count:
BIDEN 0
CLINTON 1,075
DODD 0
EDWARDS 26
GRAVEL 0
KUCINICH 0
OBAMA 1,014
RICHARDSON 0
2,025 Needed
to Secure Nomination

Full State-by-State Scorecard Republican Race

Current Delegate Count:
GIULIANI 0
HUCKABEE 163
HUNTER 1
MCCAIN 709
PAUL 10
ROMNEY 171
THOMPSON 3
1,191 Needed
to Secure Nomination

More and more it appears that the Dem nomination will be decided in the proverbial smoke-filled back room by party leaders.

Bottom line: Your vote never counts.

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How much money is Obama raising from Arab and Muslim interests?

Answer: $0. Obama is half-black, half-white, and 100% Christian -- in other words, he's as closely tied to Arabs and Muslims as Clinton is.

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Obama is whining about 800 Super Delegates?

Answer: While I wouldn't say whining, he's certainly talking about them. Just like Clinton. 800 is 20% (that's HUGE) of the votes for the nomination. That's half of the total of Super Tuesday. Of course Obama and Clinton are going to be talking about them -- the super-delegates may very well pick the nominee.

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He has no problem not counting millions of voters in Florida and Michagan.

These states were stripped of their delegates for going against the Democratic party and moving their voting ahead of schedule. Obama was not even on Michigan's ballot. Why would the Democratic party retroactively count votes from states that did not receive exposure to all the candidates (since they had no delegates to compete for)? Those states may be counted, but only after a fair competition is held and both candidates have the opportunity to introduce themselves to voters.

Try to keep up with campaign fact, and avoid inflammatory rumors and whispers.

I question the constitutionality of this disenfranchising of the voters.

Craig,
The same could be said about Obama.
Posted by: Henry

How do you figure?
Obama will create an online site that gives updates on things like legislation that are being voted on and he will let the CITIZENS Voice there opinions on it within a certain time period and from there he will decide whether to pass or veto it!

Now there are alot of lazy people out there, but there are also some smart americans who pay attention to politics and who will want a say in what things are being passed or vetoed in the white house!

Barack is the PEOPLES PRESIDENT and will work hard to make his people happy!

No. including Florida and Michigan delegates would make it more democratic.
Posted by: geevill

WELL, if thats the case then we BETTER have an all new election in those states with BOTH hillary and barack back on the ballot!

Barack would for sure get Michigan by ALOT!
and florida shouldn't think they are all high and mighty and think they should be bumped up. Obviously now they see how crucial they would have been if they WAITED!!

Should Americans not be paying attention to reactions to this election from the rest of the world? We have observed the disintegration of proper diplomacy and escalation of war over the past 7 years.

Some of us live much closer to these troubled regions than you do. The USA is not an Island. You contribute the most per capita to greenhouse gases and need to be a leader in dealing with this important global issue.

I am one of those foreigners who like Obama. He had his priorities right and would be a great example as a president.I have researched his website and there is plenty of substance to back up his powerful oratory. Your country sure does need someone who shows some integrity in relation to getting along with other people as this is what is needed to surmount not only your domestic issues, but in dealing with world leaders and the larger global issues.

Craig,

The same could be said about Obama.

Just watched the Clinton Rally in Tacoma, WA. Certainly there are some spectators who are actually listening to what Hillary is saying to them. Even the "promises" are not realistic. In the meantime, if most voters would literally take the time to research what she's saying about her opponent----they'll find out that they are LIES. Perhaps this is what she meant by "playing games". What's more amazing is she'll blindly lead this country because her supporters WON'T take the time to find out TRUTHS.

Geeville:

Your complaint about MI and FL voters not being heard makes no sense. As a MI voter, I can tell you, whether they count our delegates or not my vote will not be heard. Barack Obama was not on the ballot. And even in Florida where he was - he was clearly at a disadvantage in a name-recognition race. The longer Obama campaign in a state the better he does. The opposite is true for Hillary. The only way to give us our votes back is to have a new caucus and count those delegates. But, oh yea, Hillary doesn't want that, because the more people meet her the less they like her.

The woman asked to be named a Superdelegate so she is being a hypocrite and should have no problem with her co-delegates. She is just upset that Hillary Clinton has more supporters that are Superdelegate, that is the racial component. How does she feel about Florida and Michigan voters not being heard?

How many of you heard of Super Delegates before now?

How is Donna a "race centered hypocrite"? I know Donna personally and there is nothing race centered or hypocritical about her!

I just love how when a Black person supports another Black person they are racial. I guess it's the same thing we have had to endure every time we sit together or stand together - "Why are all the Black people together?" Does anyone every ask, "Why are all the White people together?"

Let's not make this race about race or gender. The fact is the Democratic party has two very talented and viable candidates. One happens to be a woman and the other happens to be Black. Cherish the moment! Times like this come along very rarely - even in the United States. It's not likely to happen again.

Hil-Liar-y has refused to disclose tax returns until after the nomination yet touts campaign transparency…what kind of transparency is this?

I am from Massachusettes and if Kennedy and Kerry do not vote thier super deligate votes for Clinton...then I will vote and work for whom ever runs against them next time.

We need to learn as a country from our past mistakes. We voted (not me) for Bush the class clown over Gore the Brain child and look where that got us. Next we were still not smart enough to vote Kerry/Edwards over Bush...and we stayed in war in Iraq. It is time to realize that we are not voting for president of our lucnh clubs..we are voting for a person to run this country and at this point clean up the Bush mess. There is really only one choice and that is Clinton and if Obama would like to learn the ropes as VP under Clinton then I think that could be a great idea. So far Hillary Clinton has not campainged against Obama like the republicans will do...if we nominate Obama...that would be a vote for McCaine for sure. We would abosultely be stuck with the republican pres for at least 4 more years and he has said that we will remain in Iraq for 100 years. Becarefull what you wish for because if Obama is the nominee...we will lose to the republican ticket even if it were Rush Limbough.

Cliffie4,

The Superdelegates should vote the way their states did. Ted Kennedy and John Kerry must vote for Hillary Clinton then.

Brazzille feels so strongly yet she doesn't resign as a Super Delegate?
We do not need race centered hypocrites like that.

Geevill, your loyalty to the party's entrenched is admirable. I'm sure it will be appreciated during the McCain Administration.

Let her leave. The independents and Republicans voting in our primaries should not elect our candidate.

If the superdelegates hand the nomination to the candidate with fewer pledged delegates, Donna Brazile won't be the only one who will leave the party. And that's as it should be. A party that calcified and stupid doesn't deserve to live.

Also, the whole situation with Florida and Michigan is a disaster. Granted, the party set forth rules about when primaries can be held. Those rules, however, highlight the foolishness of having the same states (Iowa, NH, etc) go first every election. There should be a rotating process of some kind. O It is unfair to exclude voters from Mich. and Fla., because votes are precious cornerstones of democracy and should not be withheld from citizens. However, it is also difficult to include them, as they represent a skewed snapshot of those electorates. If this is not resolved (or even if it is) there likely will be many angry voters in both states withholding support from the Democrats in November.

It's time to put our priorities in line with our finite resources. Going to space is more important than preparing our next generation to compete in a global economy? Why do we need to go to Mars and mess up another planet. Focus on us here first, then worry about everyone else. And instead of going to Mars, we should be investing NASA's mission in Fuel Cells and solar technology that can save our planet and elminate our reliance on unfriendly countries. We have an exceedingly high percentage of baby boomers who will need healthcare as they live to 100 yrs old. It's time to put our priorities in line with our finite resources.

If a candidate wins pledged delegates but loses the nomination due to super delegates, that could be trouble. If half of the party feels they were cheated, there is a strong chance they will stay home in November. Also, to many centrist democrats, President McCain might not sound too bad.

How can Obama claim that only when superdelegates vote the way their states voted that the voices of Democratic voters will be heard? I seem to recall Republicans and Independents voting in these elections, too. Why should their votes help to decide who represents and leads the Democratic party?

This is why I've always believed that primaries (both republican and Democrat) should be closed.

Sarah
I am not asking to airlift his grandmother from kenya, All I am saying is improve the quality of the life. Do not say that it is his grandmother culture to live in that kind of condition. I lived in africa for many years. Lot of them live like that because of poverty, not because of their life style.

I support the idea that FL and MI should re-vote. I would be willing to contribute to a joint HRC-Obama pool to fund part of it if that is the issue.
Then they can both campaign in FL and MI, they can both have their names on the ballots. It will be fair, and the delegates can be seated. I know, I know theoretically ppl who voted the first time may be no-shows this time, but that is true for both sides -and it is also true that we will never know how many people didn't vote because there were no delegates at play and they weren't encourgagd to via active campaigning.

FL and MI should not be opposed to this, it would give them much more prominence and importance in the election, as, let's face it, all states like to have.

Any problems with a re-vote?

but JFK is the President who jumped started the Apollo moon landing program. You see Obama really is not Kennedy.

Okay, let me say it: I bet Obama and Hillary both have Muslim and Arab supporters, as they should. I am not talking about terrorists, I am talking about individuals who have freedom of religion and are immigrants in this nation. I hope Obama and Hillary also both have Jewish, Christian, Buddhist and Hindu supporters.

As for Obama's grandmother, how dare you?! Have you ever asked a person to leave their native land and village? To suggest that Obama should have airlifted his grandmother from Kenya, from her village and her people is ignorant. Regardless of what her home looks like to you, it is hers and it her culture. I am not saying Kenya doesn't need economic uplift, I am saying that I doubt Obama denies love or care to her, or that she wants to leave Kenya.

Lastly, why is the truth that HRC has longer standing political ties to superdelegates and didn't clean up/pay for campaign sites a hit job? This writer also has written about McCain and others. Maybe she should just clean up and pay. Maybe superdelegates should not be able to steal the presidency from EITHER candidate.

No. including Florida and Michigan delegates would make it more democratic.

Tony asks if we really want to elect the son of an atheist mother. Um, why not? I don't understand what religion or lack thereof has to do with anything. What good has our supposedly "Christian" current president done, other than kill a bunch of innocents for oil?

Barack or Hillary has some big challenges to balance where are funds go. It is critical we research more on how to save the planet, environmentally than some of the NASA research. A lot of good judgement to balance the national budget for Iraq, Educat.,healtcare etc. The Environment is a crisis we need to work on ASAP & it affects everyones health especially children. Corp. will need to cut their profits & use more pollution controls, & don't gorget fighting terrorism & funding our ports etc.

Regardless of who you like, you can't deny that removing superdelegates would make this process more democratic.

I did not get an emails. I simply looked at Obama's donor list with the FEC. A lot of people there had ties to Arab and Muslim interests. It is true.

I have been described as the "last person supporting GWB" Not true of course there is someone else. That said:
My most favorite political person is Donna Brazile. I sure wish she would take a position in government. Everything that lady says makes sense.

"How much money is Obama raising from Arab and Muslim interests?"

None, because he isn't one, and still hasn't accepted a dime from lobbyists or PACs. Don't believe every bogus email you get in your inbox, doing your homework wouldn't hurt once in awhile so you don't spread ignorance like a disease.

"Obama is whining about 800 Super Delegates? He has no problem not counting millions of voters in Florida and Michagan."

Obama is not the one denying the delegates from these states, the DNC is, and these states were put on notice that if they moved their primaries ahead of Feb. 5 to try and join the real early states garnering attention. With full knowledge, these states still defied party rules, and as a result loss their delegates.

If Obama really cared about poor people, look at his grandmother in kenya. She lives in real real real poverty. If he is not ready help his own grandmother out of poverty, I am not sure how he is going to help americans.

If Obama release the names his contributors, I bet lot of them are muslim. if you take the history of this world in the last 2000 years, Every Superpower crashed because of their leaders. Do we want to elect a son of Atheist mother. She married 2 muslim husbands.

If we don't quit this sniveling and infighting soon, we are toast in November. It's time for a deal.

Halting funding for space research is insane. He's just trying to get the super-delegates that go along with the Teacher's Union. It makes me so mad that he preaches no politics, but his campaign has been nothing but gaming the numbers and politics as usual.

Is it true...OBAMA wants to shutdown NASA Moon-to-Mars program for 5 years. Is'nt that ridiculous..to pause curious research minds.

"In a note on fiscal responsibility, the senator OBAMA says he would delay NASA’s controversial moon-to-Mars program five years in order to fund education initiatives."

Interestingly media has suppressed this message.

How much money is Obama raising from Arab and Muslim interests?

Obama is whining about 800 Super Delegates? He has no problem not counting millions of voters in Florida and Michagan.

The fact that "Wild Bill" Clinton and his daughter (who seems more and more to be taking after her father) are trying to finesse--or rig--the super-delegates' votes shows the utter contempt they have for the voters of the states the super-delegates hail from. Should it turn out that such finessing has indeed taken place at the nationa convention, I and many others will join Ms. Brazile in her exodus.

Once again another hit piece on Hillary in the media. Do you know if other campaigns have or have not paid all of their bills? How much does Obama have as unpaid expenses? How long do his vendors and others have to wait for payments? Perhaps you should look into this.