The Super-Delegate Mess (and Other Messes)

More and more it appears that the Dem nomination will be decided in the proverbial smoke-filled back room by party leaders.

Bottom line: Your vote never counts.

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How much money is Obama raising from Arab and Muslim interests?

Answer: $0. Obama is half-black, half-white, and 100% Christian -- in other words, he's as closely tied to Arabs and Muslims as Clinton is.

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Obama is whining about 800 Super Delegates?

Answer: While I wouldn't say whining, he's certainly talking about them. Just like Clinton. 800 is 20% (that's HUGE) of the votes for the nomination. That's half of the total of Super Tuesday. Of course Obama and Clinton are going to be talking about them -- the super-delegates may very well pick the nominee.

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He has no problem not counting millions of voters in Florida and Michagan.

These states were stripped of their delegates for going against the Democratic party and moving their voting ahead of schedule. Obama was not even on Michigan's ballot. Why would the Democratic party retroactively count votes from states that did not receive exposure to all the candidates (since they had no delegates to compete for)? Those states may be counted, but only after a fair competition is held and both candidates have the opportunity to introduce themselves to voters.

Try to keep up with campaign fact, and avoid inflammatory rumors and whispers.

I question the constitutionality of this disenfranchising of the voters.

Craig,
The same could be said about Obama.
Posted by: Henry

How do you figure?
Obama will create an online site that gives updates on things like legislation that are being voted on and he will let the CITIZENS Voice there opinions on it within a certain time period and from there he will decide whether to pass or veto it!

Now there are alot of lazy people out there, but there are also some smart americans who pay attention to politics and who will want a say in what things are being passed or vetoed in the white house!

Barack is the PEOPLES PRESIDENT and will work hard to make his people happy!

No. including Florida and Michigan delegates would make it more democratic.
Posted by: geevill

WELL, if thats the case then we BETTER have an all new election in those states with BOTH hillary and barack back on the ballot!

Barack would for sure get Michigan by ALOT!
and florida shouldn't think they are all high and mighty and think they should be bumped up. Obviously now they see how crucial they would have been if they WAITED!!

Should Americans not be paying attention to reactions to this election from the rest of the world? We have observed the disintegration of proper diplomacy and escalation of war over the past 7 years.

Some of us live much closer to these troubled regions than you do. The USA is not an Island. You contribute the most per capita to greenhouse gases and need to be a leader in dealing with this important global issue.

I am one of those foreigners who like Obama. He had his priorities right and would be a great example as a president.I have researched his website and there is plenty of substance to back up his powerful oratory. Your country sure does need someone who shows some integrity in relation to getting along with other people as this is what is needed to surmount not only your domestic issues, but in dealing with world leaders and the larger global issues.

Craig,

The same could be said about Obama.

Just watched the Clinton Rally in Tacoma, WA. Certainly there are some spectators who are actually listening to what Hillary is saying to them. Even the "promises" are not realistic. In the meantime, if most voters would literally take the time to research what she's saying about her opponent----they'll find out that they are LIES. Perhaps this is what she meant by "playing games". What's more amazing is she'll blindly lead this country because her supporters WON'T take the time to find out TRUTHS.

Geeville:

Your complaint about MI and FL voters not being heard makes no sense. As a MI voter, I can tell you, whether they count our delegates or not my vote will not be heard. Barack Obama was not on the ballot. And even in Florida where he was - he was clearly at a disadvantage in a name-recognition race. The longer Obama campaign in a state the better he does. The opposite is true for Hillary. The only way to give us our votes back is to have a new caucus and count those delegates. But, oh yea, Hillary doesn't want that, because the more people meet her the less they like her.

The woman asked to be named a Superdelegate so she is being a hypocrite and should have no problem with her co-delegates. She is just upset that Hillary Clinton has more supporters that are Superdelegate, that is the racial component. How does she feel about Florida and Michigan voters not being heard?

How many of you heard of Super Delegates before now?

How is Donna a "race centered hypocrite"? I know Donna personally and there is nothing race centered or hypocritical about her!

I just love how when a Black person supports another Black person they are racial. I guess it's the same thing we have had to endure every time we sit together or stand together - "Why are all the Black people together?" Does anyone every ask, "Why are all the White people together?"

Let's not make this race about race or gender. The fact is the Democratic party has two very talented and viable candidates. One happens to be a woman and the other happens to be Black. Cherish the moment! Times like this come along very rarely - even in the United States. It's not likely to happen again.

Hil-Liar-y has refused to disclose tax returns until after the nomination yet touts campaign transparency…what kind of transparency is this?

I am from Massachusettes and if Kennedy and Kerry do not vote thier super deligate votes for Clinton...then I will vote and work for whom ever runs against them next time.

We need to learn as a country from our past mistakes. We voted (not me) for Bush the class clown over Gore the Brain child and look where that got us. Next we were still not smart enough to vote Kerry/Edwards over Bush...and we stayed in war in Iraq. It is time to realize that we are not voting for president of our lucnh clubs..we are voting for a person to run this country and at this point clean up the Bush mess. There is really only one choice and that is Clinton and if Obama would like to learn the ropes as VP under Clinton then I think that could be a great idea. So far Hillary Clinton has not campainged against Obama like the republicans will do...if we nominate Obama...that would be a vote for McCaine for sure. We would abosultely be stuck with the republican pres for at least 4 more years and he has said that we will remain in Iraq for 100 years. Becarefull what you wish for because if Obama is the nominee...we will lose to the republican ticket even if it were Rush Limbough.

Cliffie4,

The Superdelegates should vote the way their states did. Ted Kennedy and John Kerry must vote for Hillary Clinton then.

Brazzille feels so strongly yet she doesn't resign as a Super Delegate?
We do not need race centered hypocrites like that.

Geevill, your loyalty to the party's entrenched is admirable. I'm sure it will be appreciated during the McCain Administration.

Let her leave. The independents and Republicans voting in our primaries should not elect our candidate.

If the superdelegates hand the nomination to the candidate with fewer pledged delegates, Donna Brazile won't be the only one who will leave the party. And that's as it should be. A party that calcified and stupid doesn't deserve to live.

Also, the whole situation with Florida and Michigan is a disaster. Granted, the party set forth rules about when primaries can be held. Those rules, however, highlight the foolishness of having the same states (Iowa, NH, etc) go first every election. There should be a rotating process of some kind. O It is unfair to exclude voters from Mich. and Fla., because votes are precious cornerstones of democracy and should not be withheld from citizens. However, it is also difficult to include them, as they represent a skewed snapshot of those electorates. If this is not resolved (or even if it is) there likely will be many angry voters in both states withholding support from the Democrats in November.

It's time to put our priorities in line with our finite resources. Going to space is more important than preparing our next generation to compete in a global economy? Why do we need to go to Mars and mess up another planet. Focus on us here first, then worry about everyone else. And instead of going to Mars, we should be investing NASA's mission in Fuel Cells and solar technology that can save our planet and elminate our reliance on unfriendly countries. We have an exceedingly high percentage of baby boomers who will need healthcare as they live to 100 yrs old. It's time to put our priorities in line with our finite resources.